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Whats The History Of Romneys Two 9's?  
User currently offlineNWADTWE16 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1770 times:

After seeing both the MD82 and DC9-50 (i believe) parked side by side today in Cleveland i began to wonder what their past lives were. Anyone with info on this?

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User currently offlinetb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1653 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1774 times:

They belong to USAJet out of Detroit-Willow Run, YIP. They have a couple passenger charter DC-9's and MD-80's. That MD-80 may also be the one that U2 used for their US tour last year or whenever it was. That is a -30, they don't have 50's. They also have a couple -15's in pax config. The -30's and -15's also have cargo doors and can be converted back to freight, I don't think they have any straight passenger jets as far as the DC-9's go.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1774 times:

Quoting NWADTWE16 (Thread starter):
After seeing both the MD82 and DC9-50 (i believe) parked side by side today in Cleveland i began to wonder what their past lives were. Anyone with info on this?

The aircraft used by Romney is an MD-83, originally delivered to AS as N949AS in 1990 and retired in 2007. It's now N949NS.


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Ryan's plane was delivered to Swissair in 1970 (HB-IDO). Sold to NW in 1987. With USA Jet since about 2006.


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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3090 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1774 times:

Ryan
DC-9-32
N215US
Delivered to Swissair Oct 1970,
to Northwest Dec 1987,
with USA Jet since Jul 2006.


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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2497 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

I guess the whole thing about presidential candidates that use 757's on their campaign get elected, continues to prove true.

I'm an independent, but Mr. Romney, I do like that paint job on your MD-80!



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User currently offlineNWADTWE16 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

i knew the little one was from Northwest. Thanks guys...

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8379 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

Quoting tb727 (Reply 1):
That MD-80 may also be the one that U2 used for their US tour last year or whenever it was.

It is. The Bruins also used it for a couple of seasons; it spent an awful lot of time at BED.



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User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

Their history continues with Romney and Ryan NO LONGER needing their service...   


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User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4298 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

Quoting United727 (Reply 7):
Their history continues with Romney and Ryan NO LONGER needing their service...

Well, that was true either way last night! Romney and Ryan were both hoping to upgauge to larger aircraft but that obviously didn't happen!  



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User currently offlinePMUA787 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 4):
I guess the whole thing about presidential candidates that use 757's on their campaign get elected, continues to prove true.

And using 757's from North American for the campaign seem to get them elected too..


User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4062 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1774 times:

Would be interesting to know what bill the candidates rack up for the month-long use of two airliner-style aircraft.

Just wondering - if one of the candidates is POTUS, he apparently can use Air Force One for his campaign travel despite it is not government business. While I understand that he should have access to his flying command post whereever he goes to, it seems a litle unfair that the challenger must fork out a lot of money for his travel needs while the president saves that money and can spent it on other campaign needs.


User currently offlinerOw44SeAtK From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1774 times:

Hmmm... sorta, maybe or not the entire cost is taxpayer paid. Click below .....

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/Campa...Elections/a/Air-Force-One-Cost.htm



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4595 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1775 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 10):
Just wondering - if one of the candidates is POTUS, he apparently can use Air Force One for his campaign travel despite it is not government business. While I understand that he should have access to his flying command post whereever he goes to, it seems a litle unfair that the challenger must fork out a lot of money for his travel needs while the president saves that money and can spent it on other campaign needs.

That's just one of many advantages a sitting President has when running for re-election.  


User currently offlinedeltabobo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 207 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1777 times:

When a sitting president is campaigning for reelection, the campaign reimburses the government the cost of using the 89th fleet (presidential fleet) for campaign stops. The campaign also reimburses the DOD for use of transporting the limos to destinations. I know this for a fact when Bush & Cheney were running in 2004.


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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1777 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 10):
Would be interesting to know what bill the candidates rack up for the month-long use of two airliner-style aircraft.

A lot.

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 10):
Just wondering - if one of the candidates is POTUS, he apparently can use Air Force One for his campaign travel despite it is not government business.

Just an aside but this year Obama used Hillary's/Biden's 757 quite a bit since a lot of his campaign stops were at airports that were too small for a 747.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1777 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 12):
Quoting vfw614 (Reply 10):
Just wondering - if one of the candidates is POTUS, he apparently can use Air Force One for his campaign travel despite it is not government business. While I understand that he should have access to his flying command post whereever he goes to, it seems a litle unfair that the challenger must fork out a lot of money for his travel needs while the president saves that money and can spent it on other campaign needs.

That's just one of many advantages a sitting President has when running for re-election.

If the purpose of travel is political, part of the costs have to be reimbursed, but much less than the actual cost of operating Air Force One. Related April 2012 NY Times article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/22/us...line-for-obama.html?pagewanted=all

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While it is not possible to know for sure, the Democratic Party is probably paying more than other presidents have for Air Force One because of a regulatory change in 2010. Instead of repaying the government based on the cost of first-class commercial airfare, as presidents had since Jimmy Carter defeated Gerald R. Ford, reimbursements must now reflect the cost of chartering a 737 aircraft. (Air Force One, the name for whichever plane in the fleet carries the president, is usually a 747.)

Past presidents have been accused of adding official events to political trips to reduce their campaign’s spending, but Mr. Schultz said that was no longer an issue. “The fact that there is an official event on the schedule doesn’t reduce the travel costs paid by the campaign to the federal government,” he said.

Expenses are not limited to Air Force One, which costs $179,750 an hour for “fuel, flight consumables, depot repairs, aircraft overhaul and engine overhaul,” according to the Pentagon. For years, presidential travel has included at least two other aircraft: a backup plane and a military cargo plane to ferry Secret Service vehicles, helicopters on occasion and the president’s customized limousine, nicknamed “the Beast.”


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4595 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

Quoting deltabobo (Reply 13):
When a sitting president is campaigning for reelection, the campaign reimburses the government the cost of using the 89th fleet (presidential fleet) for campaign stops. .

Yep. The way sitting presidents running for re-election get around this is to tie-in "official business" on these trips.  


User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 864 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

On that last campaign stop in CLE the day before the election. It showed Romneys a/c and Air Force 2 in the back ground, then Ryans plane pulling up behind the MD80. But Ryans plane appeared to be a DC9-15. I noticed the 2 over wing exits, however it seemed rather short to be a -30. Was it a -15 or 30 for the last trip to CLE?

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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8379 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1770 times:

Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 17):
Was it a -15 or 30 for the last trip to CLE?

DC-9-32, assuming you're talking about the all white one.



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

Ryan's braver than I am.

I wouldn't want to be travelling the country in a worn-out, retired, forty-something year old airplane that was delivered the same year he was.

A short trip into a hub would be a novelty. But boarding that antique piece of junk every day would terrify me.


User currently offlinemcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 828 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

So how much does it cost for the custom paint job?

User currently offlineafay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

Unclear how it would be a piece of junk? I take it you had it inspected?

User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1774 times:
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You'd think the guys who coughed up almost 1/4 billion for Rove's super pacs to help voters see "the light" could have "lent" them a relatively new BBJ or something!

User currently offlinetmoney From Myanmar, joined Nov 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 19):
forty-something year old airplane that was delivered the same year he was.

  

I was thinking the same thing too!


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 14):
Just an aside but this year Obama used Hillary's/Biden's 757 quite a bit since a lot of his campaign stops were at airports that were too small for a 747

Plenty of photos on his facebook page showing what you said.

Quoting trex8 (Reply 22):
You'd think the guys who coughed up almost 1/4 billion for Rove's super pacs to help voters see "the light" could have "lent" them a relatively new BBJ or something!

  
One would have thought that since he has been doing so much to try and buy the election, Sheldon Adelson could at least have leant Romney and Ryan something from his fleet:


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25 Post contains images ikramerica : Yep, Obama visited LA a lot, to raise money at celebrity benefits or to go on the tonight show, but he would usually try to do something "official" t
26 Post contains links ChiGB1973 : Too obvious a way to buy the election. http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/contriblimits.shtml I will say the 747-SP would be an amazing plane to watc
27 Post contains images chrisair : Out of curiosity, did you read the link or post upthread by Viscount724?
28 B727FA : As other folks have said the campaign reimburses the people (nation) for the use of the a/c and fleet services during that time and it's a null benef
29 Post contains links tb727 : It was apparently about $10.6 million to charter through a broker according to this article. http://www.businessweek.com/articles...to-de-romneyize-an
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