Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18848 posts, RR: 54 Reply 10, posted (6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 912 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5): Will this route carry 5th freedom between JFK and ORD?
No: carrying traffic (e.g., passengers and cargo) on such a basis - that is, on a domestic service, i.e. using the 8th freedom* aka cabotage - is not permitted in the USA while en-route to or from a foreign airline's country.
* Which is 'unofficial' as it wasn't one of those determined by the Chicago Convention in 1944.
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flanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1609 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 912 times:
I do travel there a couple of times a year and there is quite a demand for the route from all the Bulgarians in Chicago. I almost always fly with LH and the Star Alliance partners. Don't see myself changing that unless its significantly cheaper with BHair.
What would be interesting is too see the effect on the other established carriers in this market as well as prices.
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9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 409 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 909 times:
Quite interesting to say the least - how are yields to Bulgaria? Must be good enough for this airlines to pursue US ops. And I wonder would they try to tie up with AA/UA/DL to get some feed and maybe reciprocal FF mile arrangements?
Tdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 306 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 908 times:
Is there a way to short BH Air? This will be an unmitigated disaster.
US-Bulgaria is not very big to start and the only airline still flying transatlantic from the former eastern block is LOT (due to the HUGE ORD and NYC - Poland markets as has been discussed on here before). Additionally, TK has really been discounting US-Eastern Europe heavily out of JFK to fill its 3x daily flights and ORD will likely be next with the arrival of the Mid-east carriers.
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IrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1731 posts, RR: 5 Reply 23, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 908 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 21): As I said above, they likely will look at their home market for being driver of traffic, and do not intend to compete against the likes of LH, LX etc.
If that's the case, the carrier should probably get its head out of the sand and conduct a better environmental scan of the conditions it is going to face. Although the data points don't really exist quite yet, the plan as-is sounds like a potential disaster experiment in times like these.