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JFK Delays 11/7/12  
User currently offlinejtl11968 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 42 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1279 times:

Does anyone have information on today's VS9? It departed LHR ten minutes early but will be delayed two hours into JFK. Did it divert due to the weather? If so, where?

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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1279 times:

Boston:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VIR9

Likely weather, it looks a mess:

http://www.weather.com/

M

[Edited 2012-11-07 18:00:18]

User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1279 times:

JFK weather is a mess. Lots of stuff delayed and CXLD.


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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

We got 2 B6 A320's in ROC last nite,one from LAS one from LAX. One went to northern PA,before coming up here nad one went almost to NYC before turning up here .


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User currently offlinepanam92 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1278 times:
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We got hit with a Nor'easter, this was a nasty storm.

User currently offlineMaddogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

Lots of repositions today including two 737-800's from IAD

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9861
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9863

A 767-300 from ATL
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9860

And a 757-200 from ALB
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9862

I'm sure there are others


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3480 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

6 inches of snow in all. But lots of app lighting out from hurricane. Raises mins for ils approaches and is screwing everything up. Whod think a hurricane and snowstorm in one week?

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

We were supposed to go back into TEB yesterday. Didn't even bother, stayed overnight in Florida and came back this morning. The approach was pretty gusty as it was , I don't think it would have been much fun if it were twice as gusty, with the addition of poor visibility and mixed precipitation on a slick runway.

-Mir



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User currently offlineCO764 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

Yesterday I had the fortune to be on one of the non-cancelled UA flights JFK-SFO (UA 257 - N512UA) departing at 2:25 PM. The blizzard was getting worse and the aircraft window was completely covered with ice - you truly couldn't see through. It was then that the captain announced the we leaving immediately and not getting deiced (much to my mother's distress)! After pushing back on time and taxiing across the near-empty tarmac, being buffeted by strong wind gusts and with extremely low visibility, we abruptly turned around and turned back to the gate to be de-iced. We finally took off nearly 2 hours late at around 4:15 (we all expected the flight to be cancelled - the storm was seriously getting worse). The takeoff was very turbulent (swerving around the runway) and unbelievably powerful, even for a 757. I could see ice on the runway being (literally) scraped away in a second by our strong thrust. I later found out that we were the last flight to SFO that left! Btw, the following climb to FL360 was also pretty bumpy!

So my question is : Is there a reason that you can think of that the pilot would want to make a very powerful takeoff in the horrible conditions of yesterday? I thought that the control tower may have asked us to try and clear the ice and snow on the runway?

Thanks for any answers!

P.S. Sorry for the trip-report style!



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User currently offlineN757ST From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

Quoting CO764 (Reply 8):

I dont fly a 757, just an airbus, but depending on the jet the use of wing and or cowl anti icing sometimes requires a toga takeoff. Also, since there were likely windshear advisories that too would require a toga (full power term for the a320) takeoff.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

Quoting CO764 (Reply 8):
So my question is : Is there a reason that you can think of that the pilot would want to make a very powerful takeoff in the horrible conditions of yesterday?

Any time the runway conditions are poor, a max power takeoff is a good thing to do (some operators do the same for a wet runway, some don't). The reason it feels so strong to you is that most takeoffs are de-rated (i.e they use less than full power).

-Mir



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User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3629 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

I watched several A320's take off from JFK at around 3AM last night - not a normal sight. (Didn't catch the airline, but I'm guessing either B6 or DL). Must have been massive delays due to weather - we had a pretty bad snowstorm in the area last night. About 8 inches of heavy, wet snow (that still stuck to the ground and other surfaces) and winds up to around 40mph.


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User currently offlineNWADTWE16 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

Quoting CO764 (Reply 8):
the captain announced the we leaving immediately

um sounds like AIR FLORIDA Washington talk to me..glad they made him de-ice.
Seperately, there is nothing better than Full Power takeoff on a 757!! except maybe the 777


User currently offlineCO764 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 11):

I watched several A320's take off from JFK at around 3AM last night - not a normal sight. (Didn't catch the airline, but I'm guessing either B6 or DL).

According to flightaware, there were quite a few delayed B6 A320 flights to the Caribbean taking off around that time :
http://flightaware.com/live/airport/...rder=actualdeparturetime;sort=DESC

Lots of transatlantic flights also took off around that time (LX to ZRH, DL to CDG/FCO, TK to IST...)

Quoting NWADTWE16 (Reply 12):
um sounds like AIR FLORIDA Washington talk to me..glad they made him de-ice.

Yes, I have to admit I was pretty relieved when we turned back! I think that he made the call to turn back himself. Things obviously weren't going his way : we had to wait 15 minutes to get back into the ramp because a truck had stalled on the taxiway, we had to wait another 45 minutes at the gate (de-iced by only one truck) followed by a 40 minute taxi to 04L!

Quoting NWADTWE16 (Reply 12):
there is nothing better than Full Power takeoff on a 757!!

Couldn't agree more  



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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3480 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

Quoting NWADTWE16 (Reply 12):
um sounds like AIR FLORIDA Washington talk to me..glad they made him de-ice.

Nobody makes him deice...the capt and fo make that decision.

My guess, based on the timing, is that it wasn't sticking, and then quickly started to stick.

Around that 2 pm hour we went from rain/snow to all snow. The ground started to whiten around 4ish.

So the crew likely reevaluated and deiced...which is usally the safe answer.

Quoting CO764 (Reply 8):
So my question is : Is there a reason that you can think of that the pilot would want to make a very powerful takeoff in the horrible conditions of yesterday? I thought that the control tower may have asked us to try and clear the ice and snow on the runway?

Windshear! Which was likely a factor with winds up to 40 knots. Whether the crew believes there could be windshear, or if windshear is actually reported, a full thrust, min flaps take off is usually used. Also, a high rotation speed is used. This allows an aircraft to accelerate to the higher rotation speed and practically "jump" off the ground. The best line of defense against wind shear is a clean airplane, max thrust, and high airspeed.


User currently offlineCO764 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 14):
My guess, based on the timing, is that it wasn't sticking, and then quickly started to stick.

That is exactly what he announced.

Quoting CO764 (Reply 13):
Windshear! Which was likely a factor with winds up to 40 knots. Whether the crew believes there could be windshear, or if windshear is actually reported, a full thrust, min flaps take off is usually used. Also, a high rotation speed is used. This allows an aircraft to accelerate to the higher rotation speed and practically "jump" off the ground. The best line of defense against wind shear is a clean airplane, max thrust, and high airspeed.

Your description is practically exactly what happened. The rate of climb was also very steep (maybe not for a 757) and we were at 10,000 feet within 3 minutes (according to flightaware...)



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