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Norwegian Starting OSL-BKK/JFK And ARN-BKK/JFK  
User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 535 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3012 times:

Norwegian presented their New long haul concept and product at a press conference in Oslo today.
the routes are now open for booking on Norwegian.no/.com

Norwegian will present even more destinations this winter.

According to the rumors, candidates are

OSL/ARN- Rio de Janeiro
OSL/ARN- Kuala Lumpur
OSL/ARN- Miami
OSL/ARN- Seoul

Press release:

Today Norwegian will commence the ticket sales for its long-haul flights to New York and Bangkok from Oslo and Stockholm. The company's first long-haul flight will take place between Oslo and New York on May 30, 2013; the first flight between Oslo and Bangkok is on June 1, 2013.

“This is a major milestone in our company’s history and I am very pleased that it is now possible to book tickets to our flights to New York and Bangkok. We look forward to welcoming our passengers on board the brand new Boeing 787 Dreamliner, the most modern and technologically advanced long-haul aircraft in production today,” said CEO Bjørn Kjos.

“Freedom of choice is an important part of Norwegian's business philosophy – also on the intercontinental routes. As we know that travelers have a greater need for ‘that little extra’ on longer flights, we will give those who want the option to order a product which includes larger seats, more leg room, a three-course meal with drinks and checked baggage,” said Kjos. With departures from Bangkok and New York from both Oslo and Stockholm, it is possible to fly Norwegian from Scandinavia to both cities six days a week.

Eight 787 Dreamliners on order so far
Norwegian will take the delivery of its first 787 Dreamliner in April 2013. The second and third Dreamliner will enter the fleet in June and November respectively. Norwegian will take delivery of an additional four aircraft in 2014 and one in 2015.

Oslo - New York three times a week
During the period May 30 to June 24, Norwegian will fly from Oslo Airport Gardermoen (OSL) to New York (JFK) twice a week, on Thursdays and Sundays. From June 25, the number of weekly flights increases to three; on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays. Departure from OSL is 17:30, arriving JFK at 19:30 local time. Departure from JFK is at 21:00, arriving OSL at 10:20 the next day.

Oslo - Bangkok three times a week
Starting June 23, Norwegian will fly twice a week, on Wednesdays and Saturdays, between Oslo Airport Gardermoen (OSL) and Bangkok (BKK). Departure from Oslo is at 09:00 on Wednesdays, arriving BKK at 00:30 local time the next day. On Saturdays departure is at 14:30, arriving BKK at 06:00 local time the following day. From June 25 the number of weekly flights increases to three; on Mondays, Wednesdays and Saturdays. Departure time is 14:30 from OSL, arriving BKK at 06.00 the following day.

Stockholm - New York three times a week
From May 31 to June 25, Norwegian will fly twice a week, on Mondays and Fridays, between Stockholm Arlanda (ARN) and New York (JFK). Departure from ARN is at 17:05 with arrival JKF at 19:30 local time. Departure from JFK is at 21:00 with arrival ARN at 10:45 the next day. From June 26, the number of weekly flights increases to three; on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays.

Stockholm - Bangkok three times a week
From June 20, Norwegian will fly three times a week; on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays, between Stockholm Arlanda (ARN) and Bangkok (BKK). Departure from ARN is at 14:50, arriving BKK at 06:00 local time the next day. The return flight will depart BKK at 07:30, arriving ARN at 13:45.

[Edited 2012-11-08 03:24:20]

[Edited 2012-11-08 04:02:32]

101 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 700 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

Fantastic!

I was at Norwegian.com searching for other trips when the website all of a sudden couldn't load, everything went stop. Then I heard of the news which explains it all!

So, to summarize, all four routes will be flown thrice weekly. Seems like a good start!
Let us now hope for a success with more frequencies and more routes! 
Good luck DY!

Interesting to notice that the schedule is made to allow for one aircraft to operate one return flight a day. The JFK trip being shorter than BKK makes it possible to use only one, compared to a scenario where they only operate BKK which would require two aircraft a day.


/Alex

[Edited 2012-11-08 03:36:56]

[Edited 2012-11-08 03:39:21]


I don't fly to live, I live to fly...
User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 535 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

No wonder with fares as low as 1829nok OSL-JFK-OSL  

User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

Misleading thread title.

(Opens) usually means that it has started.
(Plans) Would have been more appropriate.


User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

Schedule:

Oslo – Bangkok eff 01JUN13
DY7201 OSL0900 – 0030+1BKK 787 3*
DY7201 OSL1430 – 0600+1BKK 787 136

DY7202 BKK0200 – 0845OSL 787 4*
DY7202 BKK0730 – 1415OSL 787 247

DY7201/7202 from 24JUN13 operates Day 136 (Day 247 from BKK)
*Day 3 service with this schedule operates from 01JUN13 to 23JUN13

Oslo – New York JFK eff 30MAY13
DY7001 OSL1730 – 1930JFK 787 47
DY7002 JFK2100 – 1020+1OSL 787 15

DY7001/7002 from 25JUN13 operates Day 247

Stockholm – Bangkok eff 20JUN13
DY7205 ARN1450 – 0600+1BKK 787 246
DY7206 BKK0730 – 1345ARN 787 357

Stockholm – New York JFK eff 31MAY13 (Day 3 from 26JUN13)
DY7005 ARN1705 – 1930JFK 787 15
DY7006 JFK2100 – 1045+1ARN 787 47

DY7005/7006 from 25JUN13 operates Day 135

Interesting times ahead!

Apparently, their new IATA-code DU hasn't been loaded into the system.

I think the JFK-schedule from both ARN and OSL looks ok. I have always preferred myself the SK flight departure times to ORD in the late afternoon rather than the noon departure times to both IAD and EWR. Good thing is that the 2/3 weekly out of ARN and OSL complement each other. Notice how the planes are routed OSL-JFK-ARN. Just like SK are doing.

Personally, I don't find the BKK departure times very attractive. I would always prefer an evening flight out Europe and a midnight flight out of BKK going back to Europe. Only the temporary Thursday return flight gives you that option.



Future flights: CPH-BKK-MNL; MNL-GUM-TKK-PNI-KSA-KWA-MAJ-HNL-LAX
User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 778 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3037 times:

I can say that DY wont have any trouble what so ever to fill the planes to a maximum from ARN..... SAS will feel the pain and also finnair......


It's not what u do,it's how u do it!
User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 919 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 5):
SAS will feel the pain and also finnair......

Great to see DY starting long hauls, hopefully the connections from HEL improve in the future, don't look very attractive now. Anyway more competition is always welcome.

Finnair sure listen carefully the news from Oslo, but I don't believe they are that worried yet. If DY expands to Japan or China, then it's a different story. I was wondering if AY still own a small slice of DY?


User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3167 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 4):
Notice how the planes are routed OSL-JFK-ARN. Just like SK are dong.

That's only the case for the first 3 weeks of operations, when they only have one 787 available.

Once their second 787 arrives in June, the 2 planes are divided between ARN and OSL.

One aircraft will fly OSL-BKK-OSL-JFK-OSL, the other ARN-BKK-ARN-JFK-ARN. Once weekly, the planes will meet each other at BKK (on Sunday morning) where they can be swapped (for example, for maintenance).


User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3887 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

Great news

Still, it's gonna be 2 - 3 years before they're up to 8 B787 ... A long time ... Hope they will order more longhaul aircraft.

I like the idea of Rio de Janeiro ...


User currently offlinep201055r From Ireland, joined Sep 2011, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3029 times:

And the announcement seems to have been well received!

http://www.thelocal.se/44320/20121108/

I wonder if this will cause SAS to further delay its quarterly financial report (press report from this [Thursday] morning, pre the Norwegian announcement)?

http://www.thelocal.se/44306/20121108/


User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3167 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3030 times:

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 1):

Fantastic!
I was at Norwegian.com searching for other trips when the website all of a sudden couldn't load, everything went stop.

And it's still off-line...  Wow!
Quoting CityAirline (Reply 1):
Interesting to notice that the schedule is made to allow for one aircraft to operate one return flight a day. The JFK trip being shorter than BKK makes it possible to use only one, compared to a scenario where they only operate BKK which would require two aircraft a day.


Yes, it's a nice and tight schedule, especially with 2 only aircraft. It's not an uncommon practice. KLM (with a much larger fleet, though) quite often deploys their 747s on AMS-NRT-AMS-JFK-NRT-AMS routings, with similar flight times.

The geographical location of ARN and OSL, the relatively high cruise speed of the 787 (M0.85, A330: M0.82, B777 M0.84), and the anticipated reliability probably make DY think it's possible.

In the first 3 weeks of operation, when they only have one aircraft, they have scheduled 5 round trips per week, so 2 maintenance slots per week to fix teething problems.

In the two-aircraft schedule, both aircraft have one spare / delay / maintenance day scheduled per week.


User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 535 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

They just said on the news that there is/was up to 100 bookings pr second today!
No wonder why it's down 

[Edited 2012-11-08 08:48:37]

User currently offlinekyrone From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

Any thoughts on them adding ORD?

User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

Will definitely try them out to JFK      


It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 8):
Great news

Still, it's gonna be 2 - 3 years before they're up to 8 B787 ... A long time ... Hope they will order more longhaul aircraft.

The plan is to receive three aircraft in 2013, with the third arriving in November, four in 2014 and one in 2015

Quoting p201055r (Reply 9):
I wonder if this will cause SAS to further delay its quarterly financial report (press report from this [Thursday] morning, pre the Norwegian announcement)?

No, this has nothing to do with this. SAS has their own internal issues regardless of this


User currently offlinevadheim From Norway, joined Jul 2000, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

I guess they need to add some extra flights soon if they have 100 bookings per second!!!
... but who does'nt want to go to NY for NOK999 one way  


User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3887 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 14):
The plan is to receive three aircraft in 2013, with the third arriving in November, four in 2014 and one in 2015

As I said 2 - 3 years ..  


User currently offlinecopenhagenboy From Denmark, joined Sep 2001, 598 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

How is the seatcomfort, how many seats do they throw into each row, 8 or 9? and how is the legroom?

User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

3-3-3 and 31". Apparently limited recline, but the type of seat where the cusion slides forward

User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

Great news.

It's also expected MIA-OSL/ARN will be announced next. Norwegian has essentially all but confirmed this to MIA officials.

But I wonder where else they will go. Are they trying to be a O&D carrier focusing on holiday destinations? Because Scandanavians are notoriously picky with their holiday destinations: Thailand, Florida, New York. Are they trying to be a network carrier? Will they attempt to build-up demand in potential holiday markets like Beijing and Rio de Janeiro? Interesting to see how this concept plays out. Best of luck to them.



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User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3887 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 19):
But I wonder where else they will go. Are they trying to be a O&D carrier focusing on holiday destinations? Because Scandanavians are notoriously picky with their holiday destinations: Thailand, Florida, New York. Are they trying to be a network carrier? Will they attempt to build-up demand in potential holiday markets like Beijing and Rio de Janeiro? Interesting to see how this concept plays out. Best of luck to them.

As mentioned:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Thread starter):
According to the rumors, candidates are

OSL/ARN- Rio de Janeiro
OSL/ARN- Kuala Lumpur
OSL/ARN- Miami
OSL/ARN- Seoul


From what I understand, Norwegians aircrafts will be the one with one of the highest numbers of seats. I beleave the number is 291. How much that will be pr. row I don't know ...

[Edited 2012-11-08 10:58:43]

User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 700 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

What's the chance of seeing GOT-JFK thirce or four weekly once the other routes are well established and all aircraft are delivered. The route was first announced by DL in 2008, shortly after which the crisis hit and it was canceled. Also BKK would be viable on the maximum frecuency of thrice weekly.
It has frequently been stated that there is a big demand for New York and Bangkok from Gothenburg no question about it, but what does the possibility of DY launching it look like?
With one aircraft deployed at GOT they could do JFK on days 1357 and BKK on days 246.

Comparison: Sure, Oslo is a capital city, has alot of connections and a bigger average income, but do remember that the metro area of Gothenburg is almost as big as the one of Oslo by population.

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 1):
I was at Norwegian.com searching for other trips when the website all of a sudden couldn't load, everything went stop.

Eight hours later and it's still down, amazing!

/Alex



I don't fly to live, I live to fly...
User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3887 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 21):
What's the chance of seeing GOT-JFK

I think perhaps Norwegian will start longhaul from CPH before that. But who knows. Plan is apparently also to do longhaul from other european cities, like Paris and Berlin.

With all the long haul pans Norwegian have, I am a little surprised that they have'nt put in an order for adittional longhaul aircraft yet. The B787 is apparently difficult to get in line for for early delivery, so maybe Norwegian also should be looking at other alternatives aircraft, such as the A350 ?

[Edited 2012-11-08 12:11:32]

User currently offlinerobbie86 From Sweden, joined May 2006, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

What do you think the chances are to see a ARN-NRT/HND route with DY?


Next flights: ARN-LHR-IAD on BA 319/VS343 EWR-LHR-ARN on VS346/BA319
User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3887 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

Quoting robbie86 (Reply 23):
What do you think the chances are to see a ARN-NRT/HND route with DY?

I think right now we should wait for the aircraft to be delivered and see how New York and Bangkok works out  


25 copenhagenboy : Ouch, that is narrow for a 10 hour flight.
26 LN-KGL : The Norwegian Tourist class seats have the same configuration as United have in their B787 Tourist Class. Talking about seat width; 3+3+3 in B787 is
27 Post contains images B6JFKH81 : YAY!!! I get to see a 787 come in!! I am going to re-time my dinner break so I can look out the window and watch it come in at 1930 here at JFK! SO E
28 copenhagenboy : I know that other airlines do the same, but I still think it is narrow, especially if the legroom is only 31". I am still so happy, that I can vote a
29 Sukhoi : Is it going to be possible to buy tickets from BKK to JFK? In one ticket. It's a three or four hours waiting in OSl or ARN not so bad!
30 LN-KGL : Looks like it does, one way ticket BKK-JFK from NOK 3,400 or more.
31 HOONS90 : No way! That almost sounds too good to be true. I would have thought Tokyo, Beijing and Phuket would be considered before Seoul--a city normally over
32 Lufthansa : Why does it seem the Danes have such a problem with Norwegian? Especially them going long haul?
33 g2scandinavia : The reason for Seoul is that Innovation Norway have been working on a Korea project for several years. The project aims to get a direct service from S
34 Navigator : It is probably high on Norwegians priority list
35 Lufthansa : Why do I get the impression that Norwegian is going to do to SAS what Emirates did to Gulfair?
36 copenhagenboy : I don't think I have problems with Norwegian, other than when I have tried to book with them, I have almost never found cheap tickets. 2 years ago I
37 Post contains images EBGflyer : I don't have a problem either with Norwegian. In fact, I welcome another possibility for decent one-way wares. With many of the legacy carriers, you
38 Post contains images sweair : To find good deals, never fly during high season, prices double or triple when schools have holidays. I don't like when its too crowded anyway. And wh
39 Fly2yyz : That is exactly what I was thinking! To have a non-stop OSL-ICN would be incredible if it happened. It makes me think about the ad campaign that the
40 copenhagenboy : Yes that is correct, but I and EBGflyer are just comparing fares on certains days from CPH with a stopover, being it low or high season. At least nex
41 Flying Belgian : Will all those flights be with thaï cabin crew ?
42 g2scandinavia : Norwegian are opening a service from OSL and ARN to JFK/BKK. They said clearly on the press conference that these two services where exclusively launc
43 sweair : Will they take new ones or some from the terrible teens? Good deals could be made for the terrible teens? But maybe they are spoken for already? And t
44 arn777 : MIA for sure. I also think HKT is a good canditate but I guess we'll see some time in February when their 3rd machine is confirmed for delivery next
45 copenhagenboy : Well okay, but sad for all the people living in the south of Sweden. Why do they not want to attract these customers?[Edited 2012-11-09 06:52:11]
46 AirPacific747 : No problem with DY at all. I welcome more competition. Best for the customers.
47 Post contains images AF086 : You and the large number of norwegian companies with business there in the energy sector.
48 CO764 : Any chance you know what routes those may be? Crossing my fingers for ORY...
49 doug_Or : Looks like they are hiring contract pilots to be based in BKK. I would have assumed they base in Europe, but I guess if BKK goes to both ARN and OSL t
50 Post contains links Mortyman : You can read about Norwegian's longhaul for USA and ASIA flights here. Food, inflight entertainment and what is included in the various pricecategorie
51 Post contains images Navigator : Even if Norwegian maybe has talked about MIA I doubt that route would be ahead of for instance LAX, SEA or even Washington. I even doubt MIA would op
52 g2scandinavia : If that's your opinion, you have really not done your homework. Florida with Orlando, Miami and Fort Lauderdale are largest state for visitors in the
53 sweair : I went to MIA on Tower Air, I still remember that they had quite worn gear back then and we had to dump fuel and land in Labrador somewhere as a lady
54 joost : Most of all, hiring outside Europe is in order to avoid expensive taxes.
55 Mortyman : From Oslo too back in 82
56 Navigator : I suspect you are wrong here but you could also be right. Id like to see statistics. There is a marked difference between MIA, FLL and MCO. The latte
57 Post contains images g2scandinavia : From what I learned in my geography, Washington, Los Angeles and Chicago are not in the same state My point is that Miami will serve as an attractive
58 Post contains images Navigator : I skip you geography joke you started talking about Florida as a state, I stick to destinations... But firstly I think there is a marked difference b
59 Navigator : By the way in previous message I mean IAD and not IAH. I also think SFO has more potential than MIA. And for swedish travelers California has more pot
60 HELyes : Ouch was my first reaction too. LAN Chile also have 3-3-3 on their 787, with the seat width 16.8". Hopefully DY is closer to United's 17.3"... ANA an
61 Post contains images sweair : Maybe Norwegian will serve ARN like SK never did? Me thinks the swedes will find a new "national" airline Those large persons who need above 17 inches
62 g2scandinavia : That depends very much on the destination and I'm not only referring to Houston. Arlanda have approximately 30% more international pax than OSL. A th
63 mah4546 : 2011 MIDT traffic figures show that the annual traffic between Stockholm and Miami/Lauderdale is close to 70,000 travelers. Not only is it the second
64 Post contains images g2scandinavia : You know what, I'm totally going to recapitulate on my statement here and give you right I looked at the wrong sheet for end destinations and I used
65 Post contains images HELyes : I'm a skinny guy who appreciates shoulder room but I certainly will try DY 787 if the price/connections work for me. Great to have a new long haul op
66 Navigator : You did not need to do that. Ive been in the business long enough to know I was right. But I appreciate you recognizing this. Well done!!
67 Post contains images Navigator : You know what? MIA is way down the list. And do not combine two destinations. Check the correction by g2scandinavia.And again I am talking about ARN
68 mah4546 : No, it's not. And I'm not combining destinations. Miami and Ft. Lauderdale are 20 minutes apart. Do you want me to not combine JFK and EWR, then? It'
69 Mortyman : I beleave Norwegian has a cooperation with Royal Caribbean Cruiselines. Could this be the reason why Norwegian is considering longhaul to Miami ? Do t
70 mah4546 : Norwegian is considering Miami because the market between Norway/Sweden/Denmark and South Florida is very large. Miami-Stockholm and Miami-Copenhagen
71 bBiter : I wonder what TG's response to DY's plans will be. SK is dropping BKK in April (?) and TG are the only ones serving the Scandinavian capitals with dir
72 g2scandinavia : Are you sure on these numbers mah4546? According to Swedavia and the travel survey for ARN of 2011, MIA had 23206 pax as their end destination (outbo
73 mah4546 : I am absolutely, 100% sure. I have no idea what this Swedish survey is, but the numbers are MIDT data, which is based on Sabre bookings. No idea what
74 Post contains links g2scandinavia : Look at the numbers from Swedavia: http://www.swedavia.com/PageFiles/76...ökning-Arlanda%202012%20(eng).pdf This are the numbers used by ARN (similar
75 mah4546 : Okay. Can't believe they wasted their time when Sabre collects this data and makes it available. It's wrong. And if you noticed, the information is g
76 EBGflyer : Have you done a comparison? I couldn't find any extremely low fares.
77 Viscount724 : Doesn't MIDT data only cover travel agent sales? I didn't think it included carriers' own sales which must be a very significant share of the market
78 bBiter : DY's OSL-BKK-OSL average fare seem to be around NOK 5000 (including meals,1pc checked luggage and seat reservation), while the average TG fare seems
79 copenhagenboy : Are you saying that the product of DY will be better than on TG? How and why?
80 bBiter : Apart from the "Dreamliner Experience" hype? Lower cabin pressure Less ambient noise Slightly less time to destination Latest generation IFE Brand ne
81 copenhagenboy : And that is the most important for me, and also how many seats their is in a row. The difference in ARN is even bigger, where TG is flying with the 7
82 LN-KGL : We know clearly now that you don't want ever to fly with Norwegian on longhaul copenhagenboy. Obviously some else do want to fly with DU or else the t
83 EBGflyer : DU's 787 will seat 291 pax in a 3-3-3 configuration. ANA and JAL uses 2-4-2 on their 787's. It will be tight, but people want cheap!
84 copenhagenboy : I would never say ever, but I think my questions are legitimate.
85 Post contains images bBiter : I've flown that route on TG's 744 2-3 times. I didn't much like it. The aircraft on the ARN route are old, have a dated interior and were quite ricke
86 Post contains images g2scandinavia : Sabre is nothing else but a estimating tool, using some historical data to calculate on estimated pax potentials. There are several similar companies
87 Mortyman : Norwegian is proabably cheaper, but saying that the product is better is proabably a stretch. I don't think Norwegian will be able to match Thai on f
88 LipeGIG : I would say that OSL-GIG is more than just a holiday route. Now with more than 100 Norwegian corps established in Rio, including major ones like Hydr
89 mah4546 : MIDT data is the most respected, most widely used and considered definitive source for traffic d'état by every segment in the industry. No. You are
90 LN-KGL : mah4546, I think the airports won't dare publishing unserved and underserved numbers higher than what they are certain holds water. The airline planne
91 CityAirline : Interessting numbers that you're all discussing. Even more intersting is all the fuss about MIA-CPH/ARN and not a word about NYC-GOT, which is obviou
92 someone83 : I think one aspect here is the number of possible connections. A route from ARN/CPH to MIA would need and also get a significant number of connection
93 sweair : I wonder if Africa will replace SE Asia as a new favorite holiday destination in the future, the east coast of Africa has some nice places and prices
94 g2scandinavia : It's a very good point you are presenting Sweair. Norwegian have been extremely good in building new destinations and markets. They are more or less
95 Post contains images CityAirline : Ofcourse, good point. But 85 and 94 is...? Besides, flying thrice a week the number will be higher, and no, all of the passengers wouldn't fly Norweg
96 vadheim : You also have to remember that CPH, OSL and ARN have a 4-5 times larger passenger volume in total than GOT has (i.e. 20million+ each vs. 5M).
97 CityAirline : That is exactly waht you can NOT take into consideration. Those airports see these alrge numbers alot thanks to domestic traffic and transfer. But th
98 Mortyman : Anyone know more about this. When the new deal will be signed and for how many ? And will it still be for the 787 8 or will Norwegian try a bigger va
99 mah4546 : I think that's simply because Norwegian has hinted it plans to serve Miami, and has made no indication that it plans to servce long-haul from Gothenb
100 Viscount724 : I can't see any reason for carriers to release their own-sales data to a 3rd party. It can't be better than a guess.
101 mah4546 : It's a pretty advanced and pretty accurate "guessing" model. It's an insanely accurate guess, the most widely respected source of airline O&D dat
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