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Why Aren't SWA's 300's Getting WiFi?  
User currently onlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 614 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 843 times:
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I apologize if thishas been discussed before, but I was wondering that, given that SWA has more than 100 of the 300's, why are they not getting WiFi? I know they have plans to eliminate them from the fleet, but replacing the entire sub-fleet will take time; so why not install wifi on newest 300's?


BTW: I would like to congratulate all those who work on SWA, it has become by far my favorite airline. Flew them for the first time today! Service was awesome, the plane was clean and I really liked the new interiors. I don't know why people complain about them. I am definitely flying them whenever I can.


avi8
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User currently offlineRavenTech From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 845 times:

They will probably be retired before any kind of ROI will be seen, same thing for only retrofitting only 90 300s aircrafts with winglets and none of the 500s, they will be gone before SWA will get there investment back.

User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 847 times:

When those aircraft were build, electricity was not invented yet. No electricity on board --> no WiFi

User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1017 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 847 times:

Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
why are they not getting WiFi?

Because they are analog not digital...    



harder than woodpecker lips...
User currently offline737tdi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 853 times:
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No certification for the Radome. I wish I could find the info. that we were given, but there were some problems with buffeting/installation on the Classic. Plus as said above, the recoup of costs of installation/certification for aircraft that are going to be retired (and are being retired) just isn't feasible.

User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 853 times:
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Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
BTW: I would like to congratulate all those who work on SWA, it has become by far my favorite airline. Flew them for the first time today! Service was awesome, the plane was clean and I really liked the new interiors. I don't know why people complain about them. I am definitely flying them whenever I can.

What routing did you fly them?



"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2001 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 849 times:

Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
I don't know why people complain about them.

How tall are you?


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7503 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 849 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 2):
When those aircraft were build, electricity was not invented yet. No electricity on board --> no WiFi

Yet the DC-9's at DL have it.



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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 848 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 7):

Well if delta wanted to invest the money they can obviously WN isn't. I guess delta thought it was neccsearry


User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 847 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 2):

When those aircraft were build, electricity was not invented yet. No electricity on board --> no WiFi


I''ll miss those kerosene reading lamps in the overhead PSU.


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 845 times:

By the way, not to hijack the thread or anything but today Global Eagle Acquisition Corp announced they were acquiring Row 44.

http://row44.com/news-post/global-ea...transaction-valued-at-approximate/

Quoting chrisair (Reply 6):
How tall are you?

Its now the same as other airlines, people are complaining for no reason.



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User currently onlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 847 times:
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Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 5):

I flew BOS-MDW-HOU. It was awesome.

A bit out of topic, but does SWA bank flights at MDW? I know they don't operate hubs but I saw 26 aircraft parked at the gates and 3 (mine included) headed towards the runway.



avi8
User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6260 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 845 times:

At the rate the -300s and -500s are appearing here in Tucson to be scrapped I'd be surprised if many will ever even undergo heavy maintainance.


Is grammar no longer taught is schools? Saying "me and her" or some such implies illiteracy.
User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 845 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 11):
A bit out of topic, but does SWA bank flights at MDW?

SWA does not bank flights at all. Your looking at a big operation, 3 flights leaving at once is to be expected.



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User currently onlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4737 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 846 times:
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Quoting avi8 (Reply 11):
A bit out of topic, but does SWA bank flights at MDW? I know they don't operate hubs but I saw 26 aircraft parked at the gates and 3 (mine included) headed towards the runway.
Quoting airliner371 (Reply 13):
SWA does not bank flights at all. Your looking at a big operation, 3 flights leaving at once is to be expected.

SWA absolutely banks flights at it's large connecting cities. I don't care what anyone says, WN now operates hubs and more so with every new flight schedule. I can speak for SAN especially where we have periods of the day where every gate files in one by one in minutes and other periods where there is little to nothing going on. Over the summer during the 10am hour we had 13 schedules departures (we only have 11 gates) and then later during the 12 noon hour we had 3 scheduled flights.

[Edited 2012-11-08 18:21:43]


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User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 844 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 14):
SWA absolutely banks flights at it's large connecting cities. I don't care what anyone says, WN now operates hubs and more so with every new flight schedule.

I agree completely that SWA has hubs. Those hubs (which we are talking about) are not banked hubs however. Now whether SAN is banked is a separate question but we were talking hubs/focus cities or what ever you want to call them.



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User currently offlinecountrymalenc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 848 times:

You can call it what you want but at the larger SWA cities. Lots of connections are made available some as short as 25 min, others much longer. I believe the term is called ICO Inner connect opportunities. Probably one of the reasons many of the flights from east coast come to BNA, STL, DEN and HOU.

User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2226 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 846 times:

Although the -300s are not getting wifi, I have heard that the 90 -300s with winglets will also be the same ones getting the new "Evolve" interior..


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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5401 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 852 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 7):

DL has seperation anxiety with those vintage 9's. This was a trait that merged into them with NW. If most of the world ended and NW was still a stand alone carrier, the only survivors would be cockroaches and those DC-9's.   



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12419 posts, RR: 100
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 847 times:
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Quoting aklrno (Reply 9):

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 2):

When those aircraft were build, electricity was not invented yet. No electricity on board --> no WiFi


I''ll miss those kerosene reading lamps in the overhead PSU.

I miss the evacuation cards on scrolls.  
Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 12):
At the rate the -300s and -500s are appearing here in Tucson to be scrapped I'd be surprised if many will ever even undergo heavy maintainance.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if WN went on a plan to stop heavy maintenance on any non-wingleted 737 and scrap them when the time comes.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 18):
If most of the world ended and NW was still a stand alone carrier, the only survivors would be cockroaches and those DC-9's.

   MadMax with T-tails...

Lightsaber



I've posted how many times?!?
User currently offlineAlnicocunife From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 845 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 7):
Yet the DC-9's at DL have it.
Quoting aklrno (Reply 9):
I''ll miss those kerosene reading lamps in the overhead PSU.

DC-9's were refitted with LED lights to eleminate the kerosene reading lamps and to free up electrons for wifi and seat power.

[Edited 2012-11-09 13:11:53]

User currently offlinecschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 845 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 18):
If most of the world ended and NW was still a stand alone carrier, the only survivors would be cockroaches and those DC-9's.

Those 9's were built to last!


User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1458 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 845 times:

Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
it has become by far my favorite airline. Flew them for the first time today!

Wow. You my friend are easily swayed... That's like going on one date with someone and saying you'd marry them.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 15):
hose hubs (which we are talking about) are not banked hubs however

They are banked, look at the schedules.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 845 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 2):

When those aircraft were build, electricity was not invented yet. No electricity on board --> no WiFi


Wrong! You can still put wifi equipment on any 733 regardless of age. One poster says DL's DC9's has the wifi, yet it's older than the 733's.



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User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 850 times:

Some of the -300's without winglets are leased so they'll be going back to the lessor


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25 Post contains images Silver1SWA : But electricity wasn't invented yet!! [Edited 2012-11-09 14:29:34]
26 Post contains images JHCRJ700 : It'll be a sad day when the last one is retired. Fortunately the 9's will out live all of us and we won't have to see it!
27 Post contains images chrisair : Do you understand sarcasm...?
28 Post contains images AirframeAS : There was not one of these at the end of said post --------> So, thats why I responded the way I did.
29 Post contains images DocLightning : They upgraded to kerosene? How lovely. The last time I flew on one of their -300's, the tallow from the torches kept dripping on my trousers. Left un
30 Post contains images 737tdi : This is absolutely true. The Evolve interior takes one night to accomplish and does not require much in the way of certification. Basically weigh a f
31 Post contains images chrisair : Really? Do you think electricity was invented after 1980 or something? Top. Gogo is mounted in an unused antenna bay, I believe.
32 Post contains images DocLightning : Electricity was invented on October 27, 1992. Just in time for Boeing to install it into the first 73G's. Why would Delta consider it worth it to do
33 737tdi : I will speak/write a little out of old knowledge. I don't know what system DL uses on the DC9/MD80/?? I do know that the 737 and DC9 are completely d
34 mandala499 : Gogo goes on belly antennas. Row-44 use topside satellite antennas. The wi-fi doesn't care what plane it goes on... as long as it can have adequate D
35 Post contains images chrisair : Ah yes. How could I forget. Boeing also invented plumbing and running water on Dec. 8, 1989. Perhaps they piggybacked on the STC for the MD-8x instal
36 Post contains images DocLightning : Actually, that was Airbus. They installed it on the A320, thus developing the -200 variant. Up until then, passengers on airliners had to... Well, le
37 737tdi : Wow, that is not true in the least little bit. The Row44 system has to be able to track/follow satellites, so it has to know exactly where it is in s
38 Post contains images mandala499 : Not true in the least little bit? Hello, it is an antena ontop! Row44 on WN uses the Ku-Stream/QEST low-profile Ku-Band Antennas. It has to be put on
39 737tdi : Let's just put it this way,. There is no way to install Row44 on the Classic. This is not necessarily true but the cost is far beyond the financial vi
40 mandala499 : This is simply, and rightly, the reason! And, yes, manufacturers of competing systems also said, "737 Classics? Get a SRU for the antenna otherwise t
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