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WN@TPA... Which Flights Are 738?  
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5958 posts, RR: 17
Posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 868 times:

I remember reading that TPA would be getting the 738 in November. I have yet to see one. What arriving flights use the 738?

Thanx in advance.


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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 870 times:
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Another question, how many flights does WN have at TPA now? Are they expanding any routes? When will MDW be re-introduced?

Thanks,
Avi8



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5958 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 870 times:

AFAIK, MDW never stopped


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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2848 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 870 times:

I'm seeing 4 flights a day TPA-MDW:

FLT843
FLT4200 (THIS one is showing as a B738 on southwest.com on 11/12)...is that a special flight?
FLT949
FLT691 (THIS one is showing as a B738 on southwest.com on 11/12)



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22304 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 870 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 3):
is that a special flight?

4000 series are normal flights now (this is fairly recent, within the last 6 months or so). They tend to be - or connect to - new routes or cities.



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3150 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 870 times:

Searching on Flightaware could get you the answer - just do a search for the day

When I was there the other day

There were flights from MDW, PHX and LAS using 738s

I don't remember which city arrived at which time...

There was one I believe from MDW around 10:30am or so that I didn't see.

The other flights arrived around 3:15, 5:05 and 5:15 respectively (just don't recall which city order)


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 870 times:

They pop up in DEN every now and then.


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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3150 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 870 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 1):
Another question, how many flights does WN have at TPA now? Are they expanding any routes? When will MDW be re-introduced?

I was telling 727Lover the other day that I noticed more Air Tran 717s operating into TPA with just one FL 737 during the 6 hours I was there. It seemed that possibly the SWA flights were slightly down which makes me theorize that Southwest is replacing some lower capacity Southwest flights with Air Tran 717s. I count about 15 arrivals during the time I was there with TRS 717s, normally during that time I was there it would be half as much.

MDW is using the 737-800s I believe twice a day to TPA. Southwest is still the 800 lb gorilla at TPA, probably 70% of the flights.


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 515 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 870 times:

PHX - TPA

WN - 4118 & 4985

are showing as 800's and PHX is starting to see a lot more 800's cycle through. On Tuesday of this week, I counted four 800's taking off from PHX in the 8:30 - 10:00 time period.


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4737 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 872 times:
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Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 6):

They pop up in DEN every now and then.

Cool...

So back to TPA, looking at Monday's schedule I see one RON and 4 turns operated by -800s. I'm not comfortable giving out specific flight info anymore, I'm sorry. But shouldn't be too hard to find.  



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User currently onlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 869 times:

There are 30+ -800's in the system now...


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User currently offlinecountrymalenc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 869 times:

Latest aircraft numbers at SWA

88- 717 Airtran
137- 737-300
20- 737-500
424 737-700
28 737-800

Total aircraft 697

Of which by the end of 2012 246 Evolve interiors will be converted along with 11 Airtran 737 for a total of 257 737-700 with 143 seats.


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3150 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 868 times:

Since July MCO was getting a daily arrival on an 800 from LAS around 4:20pm. I see MCO isn't getting any 800s from LAS anymore, but now every MDW flight is an 800. I saw something like 15 daily flights now to MCO with the 800 coming from CMH, PIT, PHL, BUF, STL, BNA also.

User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 868 times:
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How many aircraft are they getting next year? Also, how will they make up the loss of capacity given that they will give the 717's to DL?


avi8
User currently offlineluvfa From United States of America, joined May 2005, 439 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 866 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 13):

MCO now has 16 flights in and out on 800s on Saturdays! Been quite an adjustment fro Ramps/Ops/Provo!


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 866 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 13):

How many aircraft are they getting next year? Also, how will they make up the loss of capacity given that they will give the 717's to DL?

See AirTran 737 Conversions To SWA . It explains most if not everything fleet wise at WN/FL.

They are getting 20 new 737s next year and retiring 16 717s. That leaves either 4 aircraft if SWA wants to expand or 4 more classic retirements if they want flat capacity. It gives them a lot of flexibility.

[Edited 2012-11-11 15:26:45]


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User currently offlineneveragain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 868 times:

Systemwide departing flights scheduled for tomorrow:

From BWI

BOS
DEN
LAS
MCO
SAT

From MDW

BUF
DEN
FLL
HOU x4
LAS x3
LGA x2
MCO x2
PHX x2
RDU
RSW x2
SAN
SMF
TPA x3

From LAS

AUS x2
CMH x2
DEN x2
HOU x2
IND
MCI x2
MCO x2
MDW x3
OMA
PIT x2
SAN
SAT
TPA

From PHX

BUF
IND
LAX
MCO
MDW x2
ONT
SMF
TPA

From AUS

DCA
SAN

TPA arriving flights

WN714 from MDW, 10:30 turning to WN4200 to MDW at 11:15

WN4985 from PHX, 15:35 turning to WN691 to MDW

WN792 from LAS, 17:15 continuing on to BWI, 18:00

WN2517 from MDW, 17:25 turning to WN760 to PHX, 18:10

WN624 from MDW, 22:15 turning to WN985 to LAS, 07:05

Interesting to see the longer ground times, especially for the LAS-TPA-BWI direct flight.


User currently onlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 868 times:

Quoting neveragain (Reply 16):

They're all 45 minutes... -300, -500, -700's are scheduled at 25-45 minute turns; why would an -800 be less?



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User currently offlineneveragain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 868 times:

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 17):
They're all 45 minutes... -300, -500, -700's are scheduled at 25-45 minute turns; why would an -800 be less?

I'm not saying they would be less. They are all at the end of the range you quote. There's a big difference between -300s, -500s, and -700s being scheduled for turns of between 25 and 45 minutes and the -800s all being 45 minutes, wouldn't you agree?

Not that's it's unexpected with a larger aircraft, but to not have the flexibility for quicker turns will be new to WN and, other things equal, makes the direct flights less attractive.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22304 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 868 times:

Quoting neveragain (Reply 18):
There's a big difference between -300s, -500s, and -700s being scheduled for turns of between 25 and 45 minutes and the -800s all being 45 minutes, wouldn't you agree?

Are you considering the possibility that it's a TPA issue and not a -800 issue? I don't know one way or the other, but I do know that if you look at two cities with similar-sized WN operations, it's not uncommon to see the turns almost uniformly shorter at one than at the other.



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User currently offlineneveragain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 868 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
Are you considering the possibility that it's a TPA issue and not a -800 issue? I don't know one way or the other, but I do know that if you look at two cities with similar-sized WN operations, it's not uncommon to see the turns almost uniformly shorter at one than at the other.

As at what airports?

Not sure what's different with TPA that'd cause longer-than-average turn times. (Or what would cause longer-than-average turn times in general. I can understand shorter-than-average turn times for direct flights at stations like, say, AMA, where most of the traffic is in transit from DAL and there are fewer people to board.)

Maybe they're going with 45 minutes for now and will "tweak" later down the road.

Surely someone from WN can tell us whether 45 minutes is the standard or if TPA is special for whatever reason.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22304 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 868 times:

Quoting neveragain (Reply 20):
As at what airports?

If you were to compare average turn times at BNA and STL, I think you'd find a fairly significant gap even though the network and mix of types is similar. SFO and SMF might be another good pair.



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User currently onlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 867 times:

How is 45 minutes too long to unload 175 passengers and their checked luggage and then load 175 passengers and their checked luggage. Keep it in perspective. 737-500=122 passengers. 737-800=175 passengers. Big difference.


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User currently offlineneveragain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 867 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 21):
If you were to compare average turn times at BNA and STL, I think you'd find a fairly significant gap even though the network and mix of types is similar. SFO and SMF might be another good pair.

The only reason I can think of for longer average turn times at either BNA or STL is because the schedules may be more banked at one airport than another. SFO may have longer turn times than SMF to minimize the effects of airfield delays.

I still don't see why TPA would be special. I wouldn't expect any banking with its schedules. If I'm missing something, let me know.

In any case, maybe a WN employee will chime in. I'm certainly not going to go match schedules from the OAG or the Southwest website.

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 22):

How is 45 minutes too long to unload 175 passengers and their checked luggage and then load 175 passengers and their checked luggage. Keep it in perspective. 737-500=122 passengers. 737-800=175 passengers. Big difference.

Jesus, who is saying it is? All I said was that it was "interesting" to see the longer turn times. I also said that it was not to be unexpected with larger aircraft.

It is worth noting, however, as the larger aircraft have necessitated a change to WN's operating model.

Plenty of perspective there, my friend.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22304 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 867 times:

Quoting neveragain (Reply 23):
I still don't see why TPA would be special. I wouldn't expect any banking with its schedules. If I'm missing something, let me know.

Inbound taxi times? It's been years since I used TPA regularly, but I'm fairly sure I've never landed on the east runway (18R/36L until a few years ago, now 1R/19L). It's different from MCO in that regard, as WN can use use the 17s for arrival much of the time. I've even arrived 17R on WN during slower periods (e.g. Saturday mornings).

Quoting neveragain (Reply 23):
All I said was that it was "interesting" to see the longer turn times. I also said that it was not to be unexpected with larger aircraft.

OTOH, as far as I know WN does not schedule 735s for shorter turns.



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25 neveragain : What do taxi times have to do with turn times?
26 Cubsrule : Turns are a place to pad schedules. Why does DL schedule longer turn times than WN at an outstation for an M88 or a 738?
27 neveragain : I think you're really reaching here, and I;m not sure why. You're the one who suggested that WN's scheduling patterns at TPA could be different than
28 Post contains links Cubsrule : If there is TPA-specific pad - and again, I don't know one way or the other - I'm not sure of the explanation. Perhaps it has to do with whatever bag
29 neveragain : Or perhaps WN just has longer turn times for the larger 737-800s? Isn't that the most logical explanation? I'm not sure how bags are delivered in TPA
30 Cubsrule : I don't know that there's a trend to identify. You've looked at four flights out of what, a couple of hundred per day?
31 737tanker : The 25 minute turn at WN is basically a thing of the past. Most turns that I do now, for non -800s are 30-40 minutes. For the -800s the turns are nor
32 neveragain : At least I presented some data and a defensible rationale. Go to southwest.com, match schedules (which is a cumbersome exercise), and try to present
33 Cubsrule : In the sense that "some" is "more than zero," I suppose you did. But we now have a better answer than either of us was able to provide. I know you ar
34 neveragain : Yes, "some" is "more than zero." I believe the burden to prove otherwise was on you (or simply to stop participating). I may be new posting here but
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