Seems like WN can't get a break here in DEN. Something tells me that they may have been taxiing too fast. They really need to slow the hell down in this weather. There is a winter advisory here in the Front Range area.
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F9Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 696 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2193 times:
WN posted the following on Facebook
Quote: OFFICIAL STATEMENT REGARDING FLIGHT #1905:
Southwest Airlines Flight #1905 from Oakland landed safely at Denver International Airport this afternoon at approximately 5:00 p.m., Mountain Time. While taxiing to the terminal, the nosewheel of the aircraft departed the taxiway. There were 125 Customers and five crew members onboard, all of whom were deplaned and bussed back to the terminal. No injuries have been reported. Weather.com reported blowing, snowy conditions in Denver this evening. We are working with those Customers who were connecting to other cities and reaccommodating them as quickly as possible.
ATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 542 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2103 times:
And WN buys us all pizza and beer to ensure they get to their destination the fastest.
Sorry but until the NTSB says otherwise, I have no reason to believe the crew of this WN or any WN taxi any A/C faster than a safe speed given conditions. Do they on average taxi faster than other carriers, some do, sure. WN crew is also not paid by the minute as some of the other carriers I would expect to go balls to the wall or lag back.
Things happen and wx plays a role in a lot of A/C movements including touchdown and taxi. WN has an mu checklist the same as every other carrier and it should not be assumed they exceeded it.
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FlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1870 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2055 times:
First and foremost I would like to say that I am greatly relieved to hear that no one was injured today. With that said I don't think that every single Southwest flight deck crew does things that in my opinion would be a little dangerous, but I would say there are many that do. I worked the last year on the ramp at BDL and between the Southwest ground crew and the flight deck crew there were things done with airplanes that I rarely have seen done before. I have personally witnesses WN planes cut off other planes whether taxing into the gate or the ground crew pushing out to try and beat a nearby gate to the start-up line. So no I have not seen not even close to most of Southwest planes being moved but I can say in comparison to the other airlines even at the same airport they definitely seem to have a different attitude towards safety.
SXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2316 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2028 times:
Do we even know the full story yet of how the plane ended up off the taxiway? NO.. Unless there is actual proof ( news report, witness account, etc ) then saying that WN pilots taxi fast is nothing but speculation.. WN isn't the first airline to end up on the side of a taxiway..
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Does anyone know what "Tail/ Nose Number" was involved in this incident? I am pretty sure its was a -700..
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: Plane off the pavement stuck in the snow? Call Patroni at Lincoln Intl and have a box of cigars at the ready.
: Woah, you all need to be patient. The report will be out from the NTSB eventually with factual events. No one even got injured and I can recall other
: I apologize if I have offended the WN folks here. I thought this was A.net, the last time I checked. I had no idea that speculation was forbidden in t
: I had no idea an accident would spark a bash event on WN.
: OK if you look at the one photo out the window looking out onto the taxiway and the arff folks, you can see that the taxiway that they were trying to
: Every incident sparks a bash event on this forum. It's nothing personal about the people or the airline - just A.net SOP. As far as this incident - i
: Aircraft N287WN slid off the high speed turn off, didn't make the turn along the high speed exit after vacating runway 35R. Runway 35R was not affecte
: And I always thought the tower had to give them clearance for movement... Boy was I wrong.
: Many of these areas ramp areas are non-atc controlled. The crew will only call ATC when at an exit point and will be free of atc at the entry point.
: News teams have been working on a story about WN taxi speeds! I have been out all morning with a news team! We have verified that WN taxi speeds are m
: Does anyone know how much damage occurred to A/C 287?
: With 1.1M arrivals a year nationally, and 58,000 arrivals a year at DEN alone, WN doesn't seem to be having any abnormal amount of issues relative to
: Exactly. They must be reading this thread for inspiration.
: It will be interesting to read the final report over this incident. Until then we should take anything the news media says with a grain a salt.
: What carrier hasn't? UA (CO) had a completely preventable runway excursion at the very same airport a few years ago. AA has had a couple (JAC and KIN
: given that WN has more than 500 planes making 3-4 flights a day... I'd say WN has as close to perfect safety rating as one can expect. Someone would
: ...of course on further thought after I had shut down laptop, I guess they could have been on the high speed and came to its end at ED and just couldn
: Some creative posting on your behalf, below is the entire quote. I said EVERY airline has had incidents. WN has had more of the same type of incident
: AA in Chicago AA in Little Rock AA in New York AA in Colombia AA in Kingston Remind me not to fly them anymore - clearly their pilots are not as safe
: Cause Wiki is the most reliable source. ANYONE can change it! Who's we? And how do you know this? At DEN, all areas are controlled by ATC. I think al
: Yes, anyone can change it - but it isn't open slather, they have to answer to a gaggle of experts if they do change anything. I've made changes on Wi
: PSA always had takeoffs steeper than any other airline. Western was chronically late. Aeroflot can't tell the difference between a runway and an inter
: Well said. Funny, isn't it? That anecdotal evidence seems to always support one's bias?
: Okay - how about the exact words from the NTSB Report Is that a good enough source? http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2002/AAB0204.pdf
: Back when I used to be able to go to the park overlooking the runways at SEA, I would see things that just seemed to repeat themselves. PSA was one e
: Thank you for the info. And come on, yes the NTSB is a good source. Wiki isn't. Regardless of the "gaggle." IMO, I still believe this event at DEN, 1
: Is there an exact maximum ground speed to take this runway exit or would an incident like this simply be the equivalent of "Driving too fast for road
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: While that *may* have occasionally happened at the WN of 18 years ago (I've been here 20 and never saw it) - it certainly isn't the case today. FDAP
: I agree. I also agree that WN pilots push the limits while on the ground. They are trying to meet very tight timetables. The fastest taxi I've experi
: I'm still not sure what your evidence of this is. If you want to talk about overrun/off pavement incidents, AA would seem to take the cake in that re
: The FAA and airport will investigate the incident, 9News has reported the NTSB will not investigate. http://www.9news.com/news/local/arti...y-will-not
: Sort of. While DEN has high speed taxiway exits, generally the airlines (on dry pavement) will split the difference between a 'turning' taxi speed an
: Tower generally controls only taxiways and runways "movement area". Aprons and ramps are in many cases uncontrolled or have a ramp controller "non-mo
: While it might look like planes are cutting each other off on the ramp areas, there are times when planes are told to wait for a plane to pull in to
: I would also add - there is no speedometer on aircraft. Taxi speeds are most often 'measured' by the pilot's experience. In some aircraft the GPS can
: I've been flying for WN for 18 years and we use the groundspeed readout generated by the GPS/IRS, which to me is very easy to see.
: LOL I love these people. The airplane slips off a taxiway and they're saying they're glad they "survived a plane crash." Yeah, cuz when a plane crashe
: I believe they get a ground speed readout on their displays which would be perfectly useful for taxiing, as with most if not all 737NGs.
: You would be adding completely incorrect information. The left side of the MFD (installed on all WN 737-700 and -800 series) shows airspeed and comes
: According to my Garmin 60CSx, my WN flights have taxied up to 20mph. Other carriers I've flown have usually topped out at 15-17mph. So, while I alway
: If you slide off a taxiway when you are exiting the runway, you are going too fast. However, I don't think we actually know if the airplane slid. It m
: Some good info. and some not so. You can read your ground speed if the ADIRU/IRS is aligned. It would be with any flight. We, as mechs. are required t
: Sir, You have not understood what was written. There is a difference between a stick shaker and an over speed clacker. Operating an aircraft with wit