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Plane Off Taxiway At DEN  
User currently offlineWN787 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 55 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

I just heard a report that a plane slid off the runway at DEN. This is according to 9 news. Can't find anything on it right now. Does anyone have any info?

[Edited 2012-11-10 17:13:34]


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User currently offlinekingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1313 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

Hear it's WN. Slid off 35L.


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User currently offlineWN787 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

http://www.9news.com/news/article/29...339/Plane-slides-off-runway-at-DIA

Just posted on 9news



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User currently offlinenzblue From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 638 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1791 times:

9News is now reporting: "A Southwest Airlines passenger plane slid off the taxiway at DIA Saturday afternoon. Flight #1905 was traveling from Oakland to Denver."


It's an entirely different kind of flying; all together.
User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

LOL!!!!

Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 1):
Hear it's WN. Slid off 35L.

It is WN. But according to 7News, it was on a taxiway.

Source with pics: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...es-off-runway-at-dia-after-landing

Seems like WN can't get a break here in DEN. Something tells me that they may have been taxiing too fast. They really need to slow the hell down in this weather. There is a winter advisory here in the Front Range area.



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User currently offlineWN787 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1782 times:

No injuries reported at the moment. Sorry for my original post when I said runway. Jumped the gun there.


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User currently offlinenzblue From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 638 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

Taken from thedenverchannel.com



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User currently offlineAA94 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 605 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1803 times:

Twitter user @mrbuddylee posted some photos of the plane off the runway - he claims to have been onboard.

http://pic.twitter.com/a1gjlBdO

http://pic.twitter.com/gIPcgRvt



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User currently offlineWN787 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1789 times:

Looks like the main gear collapsed and a partial nose gear collapse


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1786 times:

Quoting WN787 (Reply 9):
Looks like the main gear collapsed and a partial nose gear collapse

Source?



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2969 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

Strange. Not a hint of snow down here at COS.


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User currently offlineWN787 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1784 times:

Trying to confirm. The twitter photos don't show what I said so I'm probably mistaken


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User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 1011 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1791 times:

WN pilots are renowned for taxi-ing too fast. They probably don't know how to drive their car in snow either.


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User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

Quoting WN787 (Reply 9):
Looks like the main gear collapsed and a partial nose gear collapse

Could this be a result of the plane going into the grass, or is it the reason that the plane slid into the grass?


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20247 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1788 times:

From the looks of the first twitter picture:

Quoting AA94 (Reply 8):

http://pic.twitter.com/a1gjlBdO

The #1 engine cowl is resting on the ground. This does not look like a simple "oops, I taxied off the taxiway."

However, the second picture looks like the wing is at a normal height off the ground.

That said, both photos are pretty poor, so it's hard to tell much.


User currently offlineWN787 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...es-off-runway-at-dia-after-landing

Pax report "the jet had just landed and was turning onto a taxiway when it hit a patch of ice and two of the three landing gears went off the pavement."



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1788 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
The #1 engine cowl is resting on the ground.

Looks like one of the news outlets won the bidding for exclusive rights to the pictures. Link no longer works.


User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3286 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1784 times:

Per Denver Post website (just updated a moment ago) - there is NO confirmed condition regarding the aircraft. All passengers were successfully bussed from the airfield to the terminal.

Source: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...ay-at-denver-international-airport



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User currently offlineaamd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 17):
Looks like one of the news outlets won the bidding for exclusive rights to the pictures. Link no longer works.

Just an error with the HTML formatting that came with the link... try this:

http://t.co/a1gjlBdO


User currently offlinewingnutmn From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1786 times:

Quoting WN787 (Reply 9):

I would guess that they just slid off into soft wet ground, not a collapse but the wheels are now completely buried in mud. In the first pic it looks like the engine is not touching the ground.

Wingnut



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User currently offlinelasairlinerenth From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

Not sure of its accuracy, of course, but this news report from MSN.com claims the WN jet was turning off of 35R after landing at DIA onto a high-speed taxiway; that might account for something as to why this event happened: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...nver?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=3

User currently offlineF9Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 700 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

WN posted the following on Facebook

Quote:
OFFICIAL STATEMENT REGARDING FLIGHT #1905:

Southwest Airlines Flight #1905 from Oakland landed safely at Denver International Airport this afternoon at approximately 5:00 p.m., Mountain Time. While taxiing to the terminal, the nosewheel of the aircraft departed the taxiway. There were 125 Customers and five crew members onboard, all of whom were deplaned and bussed back to the terminal. No injuries have been reported. Weather.com reported blowing, snowy conditions in Denver this evening. We are working with those Customers who were connecting to other cities and reaccommodating them as quickly as possible.


[Edited 2012-11-10 19:48:59]

User currently offlineATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 544 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

And WN buys us all pizza and beer to ensure they get to their destination the fastest.

Sorry but until the NTSB says otherwise, I have no reason to believe the crew of this WN or any WN taxi any A/C faster than a safe speed given conditions. Do they on average taxi faster than other carriers, some do, sure. WN crew is also not paid by the minute as some of the other carriers I would expect to go balls to the wall or lag back.

Things happen and wx plays a role in a lot of A/C movements including touchdown and taxi. WN has an mu checklist the same as every other carrier and it should not be assumed they exceeded it.

My $.02



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1928 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2182 times:
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First and foremost I would like to say that I am greatly relieved to hear that no one was injured today. With that said I don't think that every single Southwest flight deck crew does things that in my opinion would be a little dangerous, but I would say there are many that do. I worked the last year on the ramp at BDL and between the Southwest ground crew and the flight deck crew there were things done with airplanes that I rarely have seen done before. I have personally witnesses WN planes cut off other planes whether taxing into the gate or the ground crew pushing out to try and beat a nearby gate to the start-up line. So no I have not seen not even close to most of Southwest planes being moved but I can say in comparison to the other airlines even at the same airport they definitely seem to have a different attitude towards safety.


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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2428 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

Do we even know the full story yet of how the plane ended up off the taxiway? NO.. Unless there is actual proof ( news report, witness account, etc ) then saying that WN pilots taxi fast is nothing but speculation.. WN isn't the first airline to end up on the side of a taxiway..

[Edited 2012-11-10 21:06:50]

Does anyone know what "Tail/ Nose Number" was involved in this incident? I am pretty sure its was a -700..


[Edited 2012-11-10 21:08:05]


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25 rwy04lga : Plane off the pavement stuck in the snow? Call Patroni at Lincoln Intl and have a box of cigars at the ready.
26 Post contains links iowaman : Woah, you all need to be patient. The report will be out from the NTSB eventually with factual events. No one even got injured and I can recall other
27 AirframeAS : I apologize if I have offended the WN folks here. I thought this was A.net, the last time I checked. I had no idea that speculation was forbidden in t
28 WN787 : I had no idea an accident would spark a bash event on WN.
29 mtnwest1979 : OK if you look at the one photo out the window looking out onto the taxiway and the arff folks, you can see that the taxiway that they were trying to
30 rfields5421 : Every incident sparks a bash event on this forum. It's nothing personal about the people or the airline - just A.net SOP. As far as this incident - i
31 AustrianSimon : Aircraft N287WN slid off the high speed turn off, didn't make the turn along the high speed exit after vacating runway 35R. Runway 35R was not affecte
32 usflyguy : And I always thought the tower had to give them clearance for movement... Boy was I wrong.
33 Post contains links mcdu : Many of these areas ramp areas are non-atc controlled. The crew will only call ATC when at an exit point and will be free of atc at the entry point.
34 F9animal : News teams have been working on a story about WN taxi speeds! I have been out all morning with a news team! We have verified that WN taxi speeds are m
35 SXDFC : Does anyone know how much damage occurred to A/C 287?
36 PlanesNTrains : With 1.1M arrivals a year nationally, and 58,000 arrivals a year at DEN alone, WN doesn't seem to be having any abnormal amount of issues relative to
37 Silver1SWA : Exactly. They must be reading this thread for inspiration.
38 northwestair : It will be interesting to read the final report over this incident. Until then we should take anything the news media says with a grain a salt.
39 Cubsrule : What carrier hasn't? UA (CO) had a completely preventable runway excursion at the very same airport a few years ago. AA has had a couple (JAC and KIN
40 XT6Wagon : given that WN has more than 500 planes making 3-4 flights a day... I'd say WN has as close to perfect safety rating as one can expect. Someone would
41 mtnwest1979 : ...of course on further thought after I had shut down laptop, I guess they could have been on the high speed and came to its end at ED and just couldn
42 mcdu : Some creative posting on your behalf, below is the entire quote. I said EVERY airline has had incidents. WN has had more of the same type of incident
43 PlanesNTrains : AA in Chicago AA in Little Rock AA in New York AA in Colombia AA in Kingston Remind me not to fly them anymore - clearly their pilots are not as safe
44 WN787 : Cause Wiki is the most reliable source. ANYONE can change it! Who's we? And how do you know this? At DEN, all areas are controlled by ATC. I think al
45 mariner : Yes, anyone can change it - but it isn't open slather, they have to answer to a gaggle of experts if they do change anything. I've made changes on Wi
46 PlanesNTrains : PSA always had takeoffs steeper than any other airline. Western was chronically late. Aeroflot can't tell the difference between a runway and an inter
47 Silver1SWA : Well said. Funny, isn't it? That anecdotal evidence seems to always support one's bias?
48 Post contains links rfields5421 : Okay - how about the exact words from the NTSB Report Is that a good enough source? http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2002/AAB0204.pdf
49 PlanesNTrains : Back when I used to be able to go to the park overlooking the runways at SEA, I would see things that just seemed to repeat themselves. PSA was one e
50 WN787 : Thank you for the info. And come on, yes the NTSB is a good source. Wiki isn't. Regardless of the "gaggle." IMO, I still believe this event at DEN, 1
51 PlanesNTrains : Is there an exact maximum ground speed to take this runway exit or would an incident like this simply be the equivalent of "Driving too fast for road
52 Barney Captain : While that *may* have occasionally happened at the WN of 18 years ago (I've been here 20 and never saw it) - it certainly isn't the case today. FDAP
53 rfields5421 : I agree. I also agree that WN pilots push the limits while on the ground. They are trying to meet very tight timetables. The fastest taxi I've experi
54 Cubsrule : I'm still not sure what your evidence of this is. If you want to talk about overrun/off pavement incidents, AA would seem to take the cake in that re
55 Post contains links ytib : The FAA and airport will investigate the incident, 9News has reported the NTSB will not investigate. http://www.9news.com/news/local/arti...y-will-not
56 ATCtower : Sort of. While DEN has high speed taxiway exits, generally the airlines (on dry pavement) will split the difference between a 'turning' taxi speed an
57 FlyDeltaJets : Tower generally controls only taxiways and runways "movement area". Aprons and ramps are in many cases uncontrolled or have a ramp controller "non-mo
58 Silver1SWA : While it might look like planes are cutting each other off on the ramp areas, there are times when planes are told to wait for a plane to pull in to
59 rfields5421 : I would also add - there is no speedometer on aircraft. Taxi speeds are most often 'measured' by the pilot's experience. In some aircraft the GPS can
60 737tanker : I've been flying for WN for 18 years and we use the groundspeed readout generated by the GPS/IRS, which to me is very easy to see.
61 N766UA : LOL I love these people. The airplane slips off a taxiway and they're saying they're glad they "survived a plane crash." Yeah, cuz when a plane crashe
62 N766UA : I believe they get a ground speed readout on their displays which would be perfectly useful for taxiing, as with most if not all 737NGs.
63 ATCtower : You would be adding completely incorrect information. The left side of the MFD (installed on all WN 737-700 and -800 series) shows airspeed and comes
64 n92r03 : According to my Garmin 60CSx, my WN flights have taxied up to 20mph. Other carriers I've flown have usually topped out at 15-17mph. So, while I alway
65 Post contains links CM : If you slide off a taxiway when you are exiting the runway, you are going too fast. However, I don't think we actually know if the airplane slid. It m
66 737tdi : Some good info. and some not so. You can read your ground speed if the ADIRU/IRS is aligned. It would be with any flight. We, as mechs. are required t
67 mcdu : Sir, You have not understood what was written. There is a difference between a stick shaker and an over speed clacker. Operating an aircraft with wit
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