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Irish 14/12: Is Feidir Linn!  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12323 posts, RR: 35
Posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14269 times:

... or, as the newly elected (US) president might say, "yes, we can". Not quite sure exactly what it is we can do, but whatever it is, we can do it.

The previous thread title, "Storm clouds approaching", was somewhat prophetic, given the effect of Sandy, so maybe this will be too! Anyway, here's the link to that thread ...

So, just to recap: what's been happening:

- We have been given an early indication that despite all of MO'L's assurances and attempts to get other airlines to operate routes, the EU Commission is still not convinced. A decision is due in March (I think?)
- New routes for the Gathering: US Airways to Shannon
- More capacity from EI, with the return of the A332 from the United lease
- The Aer Lingus/DAA pension issue rumbles on, though hoped now that disruption can be avoided
- Traffic at DUB continues to run significantly ahead of last year and
- EI reporting strong Q3 traffic (albeit stronger on longer haul than short haul)

Probably a few other things too, but I can't quite recall !

Anyway, this being more than likely the last thread of 2012, I think we end the year with Irish aviation being significantly better than it was this time last year, with a lot more hope, in what is still a pretty fragile economic environment ...

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26502 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 14283 times:

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
- The Aer Lingus/DAA pension issue rumbles on, though hoped now that disruption can be avoided

I wonder will Aer Lingus ever be free from strike threats. Just when you think things are getting back to normal another strike comes along. Its very damaging to the brand and the confidence of passengers booking in advance for festive periods and holidays.

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On a more positive note :

Aer Lingus wins 'Best Airline to Europe ex. Belfast' for third consecutive year

Aer Lingus has announced its success in the Northern Ireland Travel and Tourism Awards 2012, winning the 'Best Airline to Europe ex. Belfast' Award for the third year in a row. The accolade was received at a ceremony held at the Slieve Donard Resort and Spa.

http://www.traveldailynews.com/news/...51972/aer-lingus-wins-best-airline

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User currently offlineshamrock104 From Ireland, joined Sep 2000, 523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14288 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
I wonder will Aer Lingus ever be free from strike threats. Just when you think things are getting back to normal another strike comes along. Its very damaging to the brand and the confidence of passengers booking in advance for festive periods and holidays.

Agreed. Despite EI offering good value fares and times for my coming trips over the coming weeks I have had to steer clear - simply cannot risk being grounded due to a strike. Its very offputting indeed. Shame as I would like to support them over bigger European rivals.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12323 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14301 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
Aer Lingus wins 'Best Airline to Europe ex. Belfast' for third consecutive year

In other news, Air Koryo has been voted No1 international carrier ex-Pyongyang!

(I know EI are in a different league, but it's not as if there's a huge level of competition out of Belfast to Europe!)

Quoting shamrock104 (Reply 2):
Agreed. Despite EI offering good value fares and times for my coming trips over the coming weeks I have had to steer clear - simply cannot risk being grounded due to a strike. Its very offputting indeed. Shame as I would like to support them over bigger European rivals.

I don't have much of a choice as it's either EI or FR (possibly BE) on the routes I fly; just don't want to be bothered with FR, but if EI mess things up for me, I'll be extremely annoyed.

Reported today that a Jet2 757 suffered a birdstrike while making an emergency diversion to ORK:

http://avherald.com/h?article=458dabe5&opt=1


User currently offlineDublinspotter From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14284 times:

Hi

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
On a more positive note :

Aer Lingus wins 'Best Airline to Europe ex. Belfast' for third consecutive year

Aer Lingus has announced its success in the Northern Ireland Travel and Tourism Awards 2012, winning the 'Best Airline to Europe ex. Belfast' Award for the third year in a row. The accolade was received at a ceremony held at the Slieve Donard Resort and Spa.

Last week I was at BHD for work experience and the loads so far on at LGW and LHR flights are quite healthy, according to the sheets of passenger loads they showed me for EI, They do add a bit of colour on the stand at the airport...

Dublinspotter  



Dublinspotter :)
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26502 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14285 times:

Quoting shamrock104 (Reply 2):
Agreed. Despite EI offering good value fares and times for my coming trips over the coming weeks I have had to steer clear - simply cannot risk being grounded due to a strike.

Same here . Wont risk it over the next few weeks.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):
In other news, Air Koryo has been voted No1 international carrier ex-Pyongyang!

Well I didnt like to say  
Quoting Dublinspotter (Reply 4):
Last week I was at BHD for work experience and the loads so far on at LGW and LHR flights are quite healthy,

Good to know , one would expect EI to do well on LGW/LHR. The test will be on future routes further than the UK.



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User currently offlinecaptainmeeerkat From Russia, joined Aug 2010, 378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14285 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 5):
Same here . Wont risk it over the next few weeks.

I went the other way and decided to book them on the 19th Nov from DUB-LHR. I need to go to LHR and EI were the only option for logistical reasons.

As someone who has never been overly impressed with the EI service, I will never fly them again if they disrupt my plans. Nor will I allow my family or staff to fly them in the future. Can't the staff see that they are shooting themselves in the feet? I don't deny they have a genuine grievance but this is not the way to go about it - especially when market perception is such an important part of the business.



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User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1745 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14291 times:
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Quoting captainmeeerkat (Reply 6):
As someone who has never been overly impressed with the EI service, I will never fly them again if they disrupt my plans. Nor will I allow my family or staff to fly them in the future. Can't the staff see that they are shooting themselves in the feet? I don't deny they have a genuine grievance but this is not the way to go about it - especially when market perception is such an important part of the business.

While it is not a good barometer I can tell you that none of the EI staff members I call friends/acquaintances who I talked to over the last 2-3 weeks are in a mood for strike. They want to get back some of what they paid into the pension and be free so they can start afresh. none of them want strike and like yourself are wondering why SIPTU are being so militant. (Keep in mind that probably all of those talked to are not SIPTU members)
It galls me that SIPTU that make media statements absolving the companies of any culpability in the problem but then call strike to force them to step up and help out. (On the other EI refusal to go to binding arbitration seems a bit recalcitrant) Personally, with how the situation looks from media information I think getting 66% back is pretty good.


User currently offlinenightfox365 From Ireland, joined Jul 2011, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14291 times:

Small Plane crash in Birr, Co.offaly

Quote:

Emergency services and the garda helicopter have located a small plane which crashed in Co Offaly this evening.

There were two men on board the plane when it crashed some 3km from Birr earlier today.

The condition of the plane’s occupants is unknown at this stage.

Gardaí were notified at about 4.50pm today that all contact had been lost between Air Traffic Control and the aircraft.

A search began at 6.30pm with the assistance of the Garda air support and other emergency services

The wreckage of a Cessna Light Training aircraft was discovered at Clonkelly Upper, Birr, Co Offaly.

A Garda spokesman was unable to confirm whether those on board were injured or give details of their well being.

“It’s a dark evening and the emergency services have important work to do,” said the spokesman.

“We hope to know more later this evening.”

It is understood the site of the wreckage is near an airfield used by light aircraft.

“The plane may have been trying to land in the nearby airfield,” the spokesman added.
The Air Accident Investigation Unit (Dept of Transport) have been notified.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/1111/breaking27.html



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User currently offlinethediplomat From Ireland, joined Jun 2006, 382 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14287 times:

I note on PPRUNE that FlyBe are to suspend WAT BHX between 6 January and 17 February. This does not bode well for the southern city. It sounds like Galway all over again.

This airport has played a major role in European aviation history - Ryanair's first route was from Waterford to Gatwick and looks increasingly like it may lose all service by the end of next year.


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4109 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14289 times:

Quoting thediplomat (Reply 9):
I note on PPRUNE that FlyBe are to suspend WAT BHX between 6 January and 17 February. This does not bode well for the southern city. It sounds like Galway all over again.

This airport has played a major role in European aviation history - Ryanair's first route was from Waterford to Gatwick and looks increasingly like it may lose all service by the end of next year.

Indeed - it's another airport that is simply up against it - with much of it's catchment area having use of the M9, and thus speedy access to DUB, it always has to compete against the frequency and fares at DUB.

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Traffic at DUB continues to run significantly ahead of last year and
- EI reporting strong Q3 traffic (albeit stronger on longer haul than short haul)

Just to dissect those numbers a little, traffic at DUB on Continental Europe was up by 14% in Oct. None of that growth came from EI jugding by their short haul numbers, and so it must be assumed that FR must have contributed somewhat to the 14% figure. FR also have not cut back at DUB this winter by anything like the level of the last three years. Perhaps we are now at a situation where they may begin to grow at DUB again?



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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4109 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14290 times:

It seems this may finally be the end for the FR attempted take over:

"The EU is to serve formal objections against Ryanair’s third proposed takeover of Aer Lingus, after Europe’s largest low-cost carrier by revenues failed to offer concessions that address all Brussels’s competition concerns about the deal"



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2012/1112/1224326470955.html


All I can say is "thank god!" I much prefer these two airlines as viscious competitors..... 



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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1933 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14287 times:
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Quoting thediplomat (Reply 9):
This airport has played a major role in European aviation history - Ryanair's first route was from Waterford to Gatwick and looks increasingly like it may lose all service by the end of next year.

Yes it is quite sad but probably a somewhat necessary step that will probably be good in the long run in that like the effective closeure of SXL and GWY, will help consolidate passenger traffic at ORK. We have all said that Ireland has too many airports given the size of the country. WAT did give us FR and it will always have that claim to fame but the reality is that is just isn't needed anymore.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 11):
All I can say is "thank god!" I much prefer these two airlines as viscious competitors.....

Thank God is right! That said, I also don't want to se EI being absorbed into the likes of IAG either. If they could just get this pensions thing solved and tempt EY into buying a nice healthy shareholding....



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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4109 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14288 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 12):
Thank God is right! That said, I also don't want to se EI being absorbed into the likes of IAG either. If they could just get this pensions thing solved and tempt EY into buying a nice healthy shareholding....

I'd prefer something that allowed EI to pursue it's own growth ambitions rather than just becoming a feeder airline for BA - I think EY may offer that possibility but it depends of course what it's management has in mind!



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User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1447 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14287 times:

Sorry to report that RTE now reporting two occupants dead in the crash of a Cessna 150 near Birr Airfield.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26502 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 14291 times:

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 14):

Indeed very sad news RIP to both Pilots .



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26502 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 14287 times:

Start the re protections !

Strike action at Aer Lingus is set to go ahead next Monday after SIPTU shop stewards refused to withdraw their notice of industrial action.

It had been hoped that the two-hour stoppage over pensions would be called off after a five point plan to resolve the row was proposed by employers' body IBEC and ICTU.


http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1112/aer-lingus-action.html



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User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4011 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14288 times:

Hello from New Hampshire...I was wondering whether the Boston services are among the more profitable for Aer Lingus since there is no other carrier willing to compete? I do notice an uplift in capacity coming to Boston in 2013; terrific to see!

User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1745 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14292 times:
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Quoting OA260 (Reply 16):
Strike action at Aer Lingus is set to go ahead next Monday after SIPTU shop stewards refused to withdraw their notice of industrial action.

I had hoped that the IBEC/ICTU intervention would calm thing down.

I understand the union's desire to have further wage cuts off the table but for SIPTU officials to say that they are "not in a position to withdraw the notice of industrial action" is laughable.


User currently offlineeham From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14290 times:

Tomorrow (13/11) KLM operates a Fokker 100 charter into DUB, final chance to see a KLM Fokker 100 as these aircraft are in their final stages of operation. KL7141 (PH-OFP) seems to be schduled for this flight.

User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4109 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 14292 times:

Quoting eham (Reply 19):

Excellent! It's been quite a while since we saw KL in DUB!



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User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2808 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14289 times:

Is é an todhchaí na heitiltí Aer Arann Islands in amhras:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...epopulate-aran-islands-213576.html

(The government subsidies for the Aer Arann Islands flights between the Aran Islands and Aerfort na Minna in Connemara are in doubt as Budget 2013 approaches.)

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 17):
Hello from New Hampshire...I was wondering whether the Boston services are among the more profitable for Aer Lingus since there is no other carrier willing to compete? I do notice an uplift in capacity coming to Boston in 2013; terrific to see!

It would seem BOS is quite a lucrative market for EI based on the capacity increases alone that we have seen and continue to see. SNN-BOS has increased from 3x weekly to 4x weekly during the summer months and now obviously the near-double daily DUB-BOS schedule taking effect from next summer.

Interesting to note that there will be three Ireland-BOS flights on Mon/Wed/Fri/Sun, two on Thu/Sat and just one on Tue based on current Summer 2013 schedules.



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User currently offlinePhen From Ireland, joined Oct 2007, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14292 times:

Good news about the FR bid; I hope this is the last time they'll try.

I'm currently watching a documentary on the design and manufacture of the 777 back in the 90s, and one particular piece of it shows a map of the world where different parts of the aircraft were made. Interestingly there seems to be a dot over Ireland in this graphic and it would appear that the nose gear doors were made there. Now I suspect this is in fact supposed to be another dot over the UK and not Ireland but I can't be sure - can anyone else shed some light?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...er_detailpage&v=gZ8kSqOS_H4#t=182s


User currently offlineoneworld77 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14293 times:

EI Regional are not affected by strike action right? But ground crew will be?
Just trying to weigh my options for a short trip and whethe it's worth my while to do it on a route that has only 4/5 flights a week.

In ORK who handles EIR? Is it like Dub, a contractor wearing the EI uniform, or is it EI?

Thanks for any help!!!



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User currently offlinePenPusher From Ireland, joined Oct 2000, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14294 times:

Quoting eham (Reply 19):
KLM operates a Fokker 100 charter into DUB

I remember some NLM Cityhopper F28 flights in 1978(?) but can't remember any KLM flights into Dublin,,,,,the KLM scheduled service was way before my time  


25 Richcandy : Bombardier (Shorts) in Belfast made various parts for both Boeing and Airbus. Could it be them?
26 rufusisgod : EIR's ground staff are - Sky handling for ground ops ( baggage, loading , dispatch & tug etc) but EI do the check-in and boarding of the flights.
27 chrisnh : EI may want to BUY a Boston gate outright. Lots of talk about new carriers coming: Qatar, Turkish, probably Emirates, too. And now that JAL is bangin
28 Phen : Ah yes that may well be it...
29 irishair98 : Did EI Buy a gate at ORD because they always seem to be using M5
30 shamrock604 : I think the use of gate M5 at ORD is because of its position relative to an area where passengers can be brought through the arrivals process without
31 Post contains links shamrock604 : Stumbled upon an interesting site: www.flytodublin.com It's from the DAA, and is a B2B site to encourage new routes. One quite interesting table, a li
32 tonymctigue : The three that jump out as being unexpected are New York, Boston and Paris. Could also be though more to do with passengers not originating at DUB wa
33 shamrock604 : Certainly where New York and Boston are concerned, I would suggest this had a lot to do with the very high fares in the market this year on direct se
34 dstc47 : Interesting that so few Asian destinations show in the list, despite sizeable communities here and comments on this board going back years about Asian
35 Post contains links and images eirbus06 : At ORK, we've seen some of KLM's metal over the last few years, diversions only though! KLM MD-11 @ ORK KLM 747 @ ORK
36 nightfox365 : Tony, EY have already stated that they will operate their 787-9's into Dublin when they get them in 2016 I think it is.
37 Post contains links tonymctigue : Yes I am aware of that but I was reading another thread talking about new UA international destionation and a B787 SFO-DUB was mentioned by a good fe
38 Post contains links tonymctigue : Just found this cool video on YouTube that I hadn't seen before http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnWO-hlcZRQ Well worth a watch!
39 OA260 : Could be for various reasons. If you are in an FF Alliance program it sometimes makes sense. I was always surprised at the onward EU connections on m
40 EIDL : What connections are there that would realisticly get you to Paris where your FF scheme doesn't apply on a direct? The obvious one is WX via LCY... bu
41 shamrock604 : Yup, it's an odd one alright. I thought that as no figures are actually shown, perhaps this is more DAA's list of "wants" as opposed to an actual sta
42 aerdingus : Hi Leaving DUB last night I saw VS A346 G-VFOX towed out, all white. Anyone have more info? Me first time seeing a -600 up close, man those engines ar
43 OA260 : What direct flight DUB-CDG would you earn Star Alliance miles on? Im not talking "partner" agreements here but on full members of Star Alliance . Tha
44 Pilot21 : Was being painted white after it's lease came to an end with VS. Flew DUB-Manila to go into maintenance this afternoon. Pilot21
45 EIDL : None of them, but similarly I can't see a *A airline coming on to that route. I would consider changing in FRA or ZRH to be getting towards contrived
46 Post contains images aerdingus : Ah thanks. I was hoping it was just in for a repaint
47 shamrock604 : The more I reflect on this list, the more I think it is aimed at existing DUB airlines to expand existing service or add some new points. I also find
48 EagleBoy : On an odd note MoL was on Ei125 DUB-ORD last week, in J class transferrign onto Denver....make of that what you will. Christy Mueller recently stated
49 OA260 : Again you would be surprised at some Airlines transit figures from DUB to ZRH/FRA and beyond to random European cities that have direct flights. You
50 al2637 : Yup, I've flown AMS-LCY-DUB a few times in order to get FlyingBue miles/status. This is despite the EI/KL codeshare, as AMS-DUB cannot be booked with
51 Post contains images OA260 : Thats a nice route Via LCY actually I could fly DUB-ATH Direct with EI in Summer but 99% take LX or another Star carrier to get status miles. Used to
52 Shamrock137 : Yes, this is what they will be doing in JFK by switching to T5, a domestic arrivals terminal. I wonder if they would try to make a similar arrangemen
53 styles9002 : I think you will see EI's load factor on most trans-Atlantic flight drop for Summer 2013 with the start of AA JFK-DUB, US PHL-SNN and UA ORD-SNN. I r
54 shamrock604 : The situation has progressed such that the reliance on Irish and a small amount of UK traffic is now significantly diminished. EI is pulling in traff
55 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : DL confirms its SNN-JFK schedule for next summer (no changes on this year): http://www.independent.ie/national-n...t-from-shannon-to-jfk-3291858.html
56 EagleBoy : Cetainly from the US market however EI are growing as a carrier pulling in pax from Europe. Some of there T/A flights are 60% transfers. There ORD ro
57 Post contains links shamrock350 : Strike called off...for now. SIPTU has called off its threatened strike at Aer Lingus on Monday. Shop stewards from the union at Aer Lingus met today
58 clydenairways : Well the damage has already been done and the issue is still not resolved. It probably would have been better letting it come to a head. The uncertain
59 EI564 : Given that there has to be two week's notice before a strike, at least there is some certainty for the next 2 weeks. Far from ideal though.
60 AmricanShamrok : Sure I'd say you'd be nearly better off just ignoring all these strike threats. When was the last time EI workers actually went through with a strike
61 OA260 : Indeed the damage to the brand is done. I feel happy for the passengers booked on Monday that they will not be effected but its by no means over or a
62 clydenairways : You might be, but that is not the case of the general public who don't follow Aviation issues as closely as you do.
63 Nibog : Couldn't agree more with you,i know of a party of 6 travelling to the States on Monday to a family gathering for thanksgiving and they were from from
64 tonymctigue : Not that we expected to hear any different but it is always good to hear the confirmation. Will make morning spotting at SNN next summer a bit more i
65 dstc47 : Not that long ago - I recall flying on a Monarch hire in to Lisbon three or four year back due to industrial action at EI.
66 EIDAA : I think it was early February 2011, as I know I ended up on a Monarch A321 on a flight to Paris back then. With regard to connections, Paris is a lit
67 EagleBoy : In Feb 2011 the cabin crew were working to their contracts and being suspended by EI for taking such a stance. At the end EI had suspended 1/3 of the
68 AmricanShamrok : Don't forget the TS A330 on Tuesdays too!
69 nightfox365 : Has TS brought back the A330 on the Dublin route? The last few times I have been to Dublin, they have operated their A310 into Dub.
70 AmricanShamrok : I think TS operate the A310 on all flights except the TS230/TS231 YYZ-DUB-SNN-YYZ on Tuesdays which is operated by the A330.
71 Post contains links shamrock350 : I think Aer Lingus have finally moved into social media, avoiding Twitter for now but an Instagram account appeared earlier in the week and I've just
72 tonymctigue : Of course. I always forget that TS still operate a summer service to SNN. They must do resonably well there if they have kept it up this long after o
73 Post contains links kaitak : One of the Irish registered A300s operated by EAT Leipzig on behalf of DHL had a nosegear collapse at BTS this morning; as these acft are now being ph
74 Jambost : Not breaking news but nice to see considering Iceland Express [recently "acquired" by WOW] withdrew their commitment to Ireland. travel-solutions.co.u
75 OA260 : Been wanting to do one of those for years but never seem to get around to it . Im sure it will be popular. Wallace Travel have been doing them from D
76 Jambost : Thanks for pointing that out, any idea who operates the charter? Hoping it would be slightly more interesting than LS!
77 Post contains links OA260 : I cant remember but here is their program : http://www.wtg.ie/holiday-travel/iceland.html --- Article today on SNN and its future : Without the right
78 Post contains images eicvd : Im off to JFK in the morning with EI. Looking forward to my first flight on a widebody & trying EI long-haul
79 ClassicLover : You will have a ball! Make sure you take a camera and take lots of photos and perhaps do a Trip Report on here! Can't wait to hear all about it!
80 Post contains images aerdingus : Ya lucky sucker! Have fun & take loads of pics. And yes I expect a Trip Report!
81 Post contains images OA260 : Bon Voyage . Enjoy the lounge
82 EagleBoy : Speaking of EI longhaul...... ...was just looking at the schedule for S13. (I picked July timetables) It looks as if DUB-BOS is going 13 times a week
83 Post contains links OA260 : Bad news for EI ? Aer Lingus second in race for Heathrow slots The Irish Times - Saturday, November 17, 2012 CIARÁN HANCOCK Aer Lingus looks set to l
84 tonymctigue : Not a great article if we're being honest! Alot of the old conspiracy theory stuff about DUB supressing ORK and SNN and a complete failure to mention
85 VFRontop : SNN has long struggled to define it's identity and purpose post the stopover years. I have to commend SAA on their recent successes, I do believe ther
86 EI564 : Indeed. Very poor. As if airport charges are the be all and end all. And not the fact that the economy is just about dragging itself out of the mire.
87 Post contains links OA260 : DAA to raise peak season fees : Ryanair threatens higher fares as Dublin Airport raises charges Holidaymakers using Dublin Airport could be hit for hi
88 tonymctigue : You don't say! Why must Ryanair get angry every time someone other than themselves are tries to make money? When will FR realise that DUB is the prim
89 shamrock604 : A 0.5% increase, and only in high season, is surely not something to be going nuts over. I hope the DAA throw their toys out of the pram when FR star
90 Ire2008 : I see virgin have the EDI and ABZ links to LHR Kevin
91 damian : Not officially confirmed as yet, but looking highly likely given that EI has been informed their bid has been ranked second, and no other airlines ha
92 clydenairways : Who are Virgin going to use to operate the route for them? Doubt they will operate it themselves. If it's an A319 then EI could be a strong candidate
93 shamrock604 : BBC now reporting that VS have indeed been offered all of the remedy slots for use on EDI and ABZ ex LHR. The EI bid, while a strong candidate presuma
94 Post contains links Nibog : I see that DLH 403 diverted into Dublin on a medical divert,due to the sudden illness of the First Officer; http://avherald.com/h?article=45946e02&
95 DavecFlyer : It will be leased A320 aircraft from an European ACMI operator - that's all I can say unfortunately!
96 Post contains links EagleBoy : I read elsewhere that it will be an LY- registered company. Regardless of who actually operates the routes we should expect SRB to provide a suitably
97 OA260 : The exact details are not hard to find on other forums also.
98 Post contains links VFRontop : http://www.independent.ie/business/i...throw-slots-to-virgin-3300412.html "Aer Lingus chief executive Christoph Mueller recently said that the airline
99 kaitak : I think it's very difficult for EI to do this, because its previous efforts to open in new markets have not been a success and I'd be very nervous abo
100 VFRontop : I'd never advocate taking their entire network (SK is in trouble for a reason) but surely there is merit in EI taking up the slack on the Irish route
101 kaitak : The big risk with establishing a new network from an unfamiliar airport is that when you do your calculations, you can only do it on the status quo, i
102 EagleBoy : But if they entered that market they may be able to 'shake it all about'
103 Post contains links shamrock350 : Aer Lingus to start Belfast City to Palma from next April. http://www.ittn.ie/bulletins/aer-lin...troduce-new-belfast-palma-service/ Nice to see anoth
104 shamrock604 : You have probably just touched on exactly why EI seem to have recently discovered Scandinavia - sensing trouble at SAS, EI have now built a reasonabl
105 Post contains links and images Jambost : Very exciting times, slowly but surely restoring the short lived venture of WW. Would love to see AMS & CDG myself however I do wonder if they wi
106 shamrock604 : The bilateral agreement between Ireland and Russia is being renegotiated at the moment. The govt want FR added as a designated carrier. I would expec
107 OA260 : Nice to see PMI a firm favourite amongst Ulster folk. AMS tried and tested and failed from BFS , cant see BHD being any different to be honest.
108 shamrock350 : Don't see CDG happening again and AMS would only work with a KL code share and that doesn't look likely. I'll give EI credit where it's due and they
109 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : Reports that Transaero has applied for Russian government permission to operate a 3x weekly Moscow-Shannon-Miami service. Not clear if it will stop in
110 shamrock604 : A lovely bit of playing to the electorate. Look at the comments underneath: "West is best", "everyone wants to fly here", etc etc. Dear god, give me
111 tonymctigue : It must be remembered that Noonan is a politician who serves the part of the Mid West and it will of course to down nicely with the conspiracy theori
112 EagleBoy : Surely any bi-lateral agreement would cover all Irish airlines? Or would they be limited to 1-2. Seems obvios to me that EI and FR would be included
113 EI564 : Do they back up his comments? Next year both Shannon and Dublin will have a big increase in transatlantic capacity. If Shannon was only growing then
114 tonymctigue : I was of course being sarcastic with my comments. That is the downside of the Internet is that the meaning of something you would say face is lost wh
115 jumpjets : If the Irish bi-lateral is anything like the one with the UK the number of designated airlines and the number flights per week that each carrier is a
116 clydenairways : I suspect this increase in traffic next year is partly due to expected increase in visitors due to the gathering and the strong performance of North
117 Post contains links shamrock350 : Speaking of Scandinavia... SAS and Aer Lingus Sign Interline Agreement Another Star carrier. http://www.ittn.ie/bulletins/sas-and...ne-agreement/#.UKz
118 EagleBoy : Can't wait to see the free PR the Ryanair will milk from this deal. They will take the opportuntiy to praise the trade union movement no doubt.
119 OA260 : Indeed it was the lack of KL codeshare that was the nail in the coffin last time.
120 Post contains links ac747 : SU to SVO. http://www.ittn.ie/bulletins/aeroflot-to-fly-dublin-moscow/
121 irishair98 : That article was from 2011
122 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : Aer Lingus to commence 3x weekly SNN-FAO for Summer 2013: http://www.shannonairport.com/gns/ab...to_sun-kissed_Algarve_in_2013.aspx The schedule looks
123 tonymctigue : It is good news. SNN-FAO always did seem to do well when FR operated the service and I was surprised that it was one of the destinations that they pu
124 Post contains links shamrock350 : Aer Lingus will operate a new service to Corfu in Summer 2013, Copenhagen now year round & extra flights to 15 cities from Dublin. http://www.dubl
125 bx737 : It is worth remembering that there are two A319s arriving next summer, they are supposed to replace a similar number of A320s, but plans have changed
126 kaitak : I am wondering whether EI will add some more A319s; the recent announcement by IB to get rid of about 20 short haul aircraft (which will almost certai
127 EagleBoy : I hope that the interline agreement with SAS will (finally) make this route viable for EI. Apart from 3 all the EI A320 are less than 9 years in serv
128 shamrock350 : Quoting myself here but... Brussels might not be the success I thought it was for Cork, down to just Monday and Friday for next summer. Aer Lingus wer
129 OA260 : Thats great news and a lovely Island. Great to see expansion between Ireland and Greece.
130 EagleBoy : I got my 'The Gathering 2013" free pair of postcards today. I would have thought having them freepost would increase the usage. (I guess postcards are
131 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : SNN to host free Christmas music celebration: http://www.limerickleader.ie/lifesty...ve-christmas-celebration-1-4515540 The airport also allowed membe
132 tonymctigue : Not to mention the two IL-62 parked behind it and what appears to be a L1011 parked at the gate. Gotta love the media in Ireland![Edited 2012-11-23 1
133 Post contains links shamrocka330 : Are EI to lease another A330? http://www.aviationweek.com/awmobile...l/avd_11_21_2012_p01-02-519533.xml
134 shamrock350 : Saw that on Twitter earlier in the week and thought it was odd. Mentions leasing an A330 from UA who don't actually operate A330s but did buy some fr
135 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : I read that article as well - a lot of mistakes in it. I believe they mean the returning A330-200 which was operated on behalf of United on the IAD-M
136 tonymctigue : Only Ryanair would use the slogan "‘THE GETAWAY CAFÉ’ IS ALMOST AS TASTY AS OUR CABIN CREW!" to promote their onboard menu. I also love the "The
137 EagleBoy : Thats almost as if an online poster created the page. Does anyone else charge for cups,napkins? I would agree. The article is from a US centric site
138 AmricanShamrok : Great to see. I wonder will EI deploy Wi-Fi-enabled aircraft on specific routes until all aircraft are fitted? 'DAA was also the first in the fleet t
139 Post contains links LGWGate49 : Hi guys, seems SmartWings will be flying DUB-PRG 2 x weekly in the summer: http://airlineroute.net/2012/11/23/qs-dub-s13/
140 AmricanShamrok : The Austrian airline Niki has culled the seasonal scheduled routes between Shannon and Vienna, Linz and Graz for 2013. The two flights (one direct to
141 clydenairways : I'd say they are a big loss, these type of flights are much more important than the likes of SNN-FAO which bring in zero visitors to the region.
142 tonymctigue : Any loss is a blow to SNN particurarly to Europe which has traditionally been SNN's biggest weakness. With every airline that tries and fails makes i
143 bestwestern : I thought the Niki services were charter with remaining additional seats sold by Niki. Is the travel agent using a different airline perhaps? Are the
144 Nibog : Morning all,on a cold foggy November morning!!!!. Just a "heads up",next months issue of "Airliner World" will have a feature on "Dublin airport,new t
145 cipango : Yes, medical diversion. It was also the FC Barcelona Aircraft.
146 AmricanShamrok : Oh maybe...SNN marketed it as scheduled so I'm just going by the FlyNiki/Air Berlin websites.
147 irishair98 : so your saying that the A332 EI are leasing off UA was just a A332 that EI were already leasing of UA and are just extending the lease ?
148 Post contains images aerdingus : I think this is good too On another note, does EI accept Laser onboard for BOB? Or just Visa & Mastercard? Thanks.
149 EIDL : Just credit cards (no idea if its just Visa/Mastercard - they may accept the two/three obscure choices too), not Laser. The announcements generally m
150 EagleBoy : No. EI were effectively leasing 1 of their A332's to US to operate the IAD-MAD route. (EI aircraft, EI crew, UA ticket sales and marketing) This deal
151 Post contains images aerdingus : Ok, thanks guys. No Irish breakfast for me onboard so
152 clydenairways : Buy one in the terminal before you go. It's much better anyway.
153 EireRock : Or perhaps even use that ancient purchasing tool known widely as CASH.......
154 Post contains images aerdingus : No Irish brekkies in BCN but thanks Yeah....the problem is all the money I´ll have in the world (€5) will be on said Laser card.... Sorry, I shoul
155 Post contains images clydenairways : Ok, how about a nice post landing breakfast to look forward to
156 Post contains images aerdingus : Yeah, I´ll get Mammy on it!
157 EIBoston : Just a quick question about EI's A321's. Are they scheduled on certain routes or are they just used to whenever a little extra capacity is needed over
158 aerdingus : I think possibly they could be used mostly on the LHR route, but I´m no expert.
159 Post contains images aerlingusa330 : No, EI already owns this aircraft and operated it on behalf of a joint-venture with UA from IAD to MAD. This aircraft was always in EI's possession a
160 AmricanShamrok : I've been informed that ORK is working on a smartphone app - to be launched in Q1 2013. Hopefully SNN won't be far behind!
161 Post contains images eirbus06 : Won't be many routes to show on it if they don't get there bloody finger out. ORK should take a leaf out of SNN's book and concentrate on routes. App
162 tonymctigue : I'm sure with the upcoming independence and that drastically improved marketing efforts that we will see a SNN app pretty soon. Seems a bit harsh on
163 EI564 : Not mentioned here much but Cork did get 5 new Ryanair routes this month. They all were competing with Wizz but 5 new routes in a month is a lot bett
164 Post contains links Jambost : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20507000 Great news for Bombardier and Belfast, jobs will not be drying up any time soon!
165 Post contains links and images AmricanShamrok : The Estuary Café at SNN has undergone a minor renovation and has been renamed the Limestone Café. This (along with the Marsh Point bar) is owned and
166 Post contains links clydenairways : Stobart to increase stake in Aer Arann http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2012/1127/1224327142333.html
167 eirbus06 : It's not that it's in bad shape, i just think that priorities should be re-shuffled a bit.
168 shamrock321 : Flew on the BA836 today into DUB, nice healthy load which is good to see! On board G-DBCD which is a dove only my second sector on one! DUB was effici
169 tonymctigue : Fair point but we had been accusing the SAA of not doing anything to get new routes/carriers a few months back but then we had the recent route annou
170 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : An announcement due today on the future of SNN as a separate entity from the DAA has been postponed. The Transport Minister did say though that Aer Ri
171 captainmeeerkat : Did a DL flight return to DUB today? Saw something posted on Facebook!
172 OA260 : Took BA CE last week and was very pleasant and crew efficient and friendly. The breakfast was not as good as it used to be and dare I say the EI one
173 eirbus06 : Whilst checking something on Ryanair.com , i clicked the drop-down menu related to carrying human remains and received this message: "Ryanair only car
174 cipango : The only thing I could think of its the religious background in Knock. However Ryanair do fly to Lourdes.
175 aerdingus : We were told that it was a favour to all the old ex-pats working in London. A promise made that FR would bring them home.
176 Post contains links and images OA260 : Some images from BHD. As predicted EI has a deal with BA for the lounge. Nice to see the 319 at BHD. .
177 Jambost : EI looks very exotic in BHD [apart from BE's eco livery dash 8]. EI 's brand just dominates the eurowhite scheme of BE and BA. I hope the healthy load
178 BrianDromey : Interesting that the stairs also have very prominent EI branding! Nice to see though. I presume the BA lounge at BHD hasn't yet been touched and is s
179 Post contains links EI787 : Work beginning on lounge redevelopment at DUB Terminal 1: http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-..._Passenger_Lounge_Opens_In_T1.aspx
180 ClassicLover : Interesting that all the T1 airlines will use it. From the sounds of it, the new DAA lounge that opens in March is going to be the only lounge in T1.
181 BrianDromey : In theory it would still be possible to have two lounges, it sounds like the DAA will operate the entirety of the space occupied by Anna Lavina and B
182 EI1989 : Speaking of the BA lounge, I flew from Brussels last week where EI use the BA lounge. Have to say I found it quite nice and the perfect place to start
183 Post contains images OA260 : Yes makes a change to see some Green I noticed that too and certainly good to see them pushing the logos everywhere. Sadly still IKEA interior . Stil
184 irishair98 : My guess is they took the stairs from BFS to BHD when they made the move
185 Jambost : Menzies handled EI ground ops at BFS so I suspect EI owns their own equipment and supplies to menzies. If that is not the case, branded equipment was
186 shamrock604 : If the new lounge will be the only lounge, it begs the question of what they intend to do with the space on top of Pier B. I have a feeling this may
187 EI320 : Much of the upper level of the Pier B Pavilion will become vacant in the coming weeks. It'll be interesting to see what the DAA have planned for it.
188 shamrock604 : Indeed, and this is exactly why getting someone like EK in might help. With BA's expanded schedule, it certainly helps to keep a steady trickle of pa
189 shamrock321 : I can't see EK moving to pier B! Why should they subject their customers to the trek to T1? The EK flight avoids the peak TA hours, there is room in T
190 shamrock604 : There is no room in T2 for another lounge - EK have wanted one since starting ops at DUB. Providing them with a decent lounge as they want may be a g
191 OA260 : EK currently are and have been in negotiations with DAA for their own lounge. They are far from happy with the current set up and the DAA dont want t
192 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : Lots of news coming from the announcement of the split of Shannon Airport from the DAA on December 31st. http://www.transport.ie/pressRelease.aspx?Id=
193 shamrock604 : Yup, I think that is whats going to happen. T1 was meant to receive a major refurb to bring it up to T2 standards, to prevent a situation like the cu
194 bestwestern : It seems that EI are doing very well with SME Y class transfer traffic from Holland to the US these days - and have an increasing market share in this
195 tonymctigue : Yes. Please God this is finally the start of something great for SNN. We're not asking for a DUB 2.0 but there is no reason why SNN shouldn't be able
196 bestwestern : Tony, By sustainable, do you include airlines paying their way to use the facilities? If Ryanair re-enter Shannon on an unsustainable sweetheart deal,
197 Post contains links EagleBoy : Great policy, I think SIPTU just like to make noise to remind people that they are there. I must prefer a union organisation that looks at public med
198 BrianDromey : Rightly or wrong this is what MOL has been saying - and doing! - for years. Even to the point of shutting DUB for a few days! All it took was one occ
199 tonymctigue : Of course I do. Even at it stands, I am sure EI are paying for the use of SNN as are DL, UA, BA, TS and probably to a some extent, FR. I would imagin
200 Post contains images EI564 : That's a bit harsh. The plans for SNN seem grandiose. Hopefully it will work but I can understand SIPTU questionning the deal. (Been suspicious of th
201 tonymctigue : Yeah but in fairness, SIPTU have and always have had a reputation for making unresonable demands and playing the strike card way, way too early. They
202 clydenairways : There will be HUGE pressure on the new authority to make some quick wins to prove to the locals that the DAA was holding the airport back, i wouldn't
203 EI564 : Fair enough. At least there is no talk about strikes. They all have the same terms and conditions, so no reason for anything like that. I do think th
204 shamrock604 : It's been reported by the Sunday business post that EI will annouce tomorrow that they are commencing short haul services "on behalf of another carrie
205 bx737 : I read somewhere that it was l'Avion Express who would be operating on behalf of Virgin. This announcement will be interesting.
206 Post contains links kaitak : It struck me that Air Berlin could be a possibility, since they're both partly owned (albeit to a very small extent, in EI's case) by EY. AB has been
207 eicvd : I think Avion Express are in a bit of trouble. 2 of their aircraft that were operating for other airlines are currently or were stored in DUB. They c
208 bx737 : Thanks for the info. I did see the Cosmo A320 in Dublin last week. I also thought it strange that Cosmo had shut down as they recently purchased the
209 OA260 : Indeed I always thought they were non unionised. Hopefully no attacks in the form of taxes on Aviation in todays budget . Have not heard anything to
210 tonymctigue : Hard to imagine that with the money being spent marketing 'The Gathering' that they would make it more expensive for passengers. That said, still an
211 EagleBoy : Heads up.... announcement imminent. EI operating on behalf of VS on their domestic routes. Wet lease with aircraft in VS Domestic colours
212 EIRules : This the final nail in the coffin for the BA / EI relationship?
213 callbell : Not sure if BA will want to lose the feed from ORK and SNN. After all this is just basically a wet lease, and one that will probably last just until V
214 EIRules : Im not so sure. The last year has seen BA and EI very much going up against each other. BA not only continuing the old BD route to DUB but increasing
215 callbell : Maybe but in BHD, EI pax can use the BA lounge, plus the flight times are dovetailed nicely, and still have the BA codeshares. Shows more of a co-oper
216 Post contains images shamrock604 : The route will increase to 8 per day from the summer schedule. Airlines that are bitter rivals also co-operate on many things, especially where it wi
217 OA260 : Seems it got away with any tax increases , in fact there were some incentives announced for expanding hanger facilities and the like at all airports
218 Post contains links EagleBoy : Interesting snippet of info on the Irish aviation support economy, less sexy than the airlines but that's a pretty profit: http://www.irishtimes.com/n
219 captainmeeerkat : No news on EI operating for someone else? I thought it was due yesterday according to the newspaper report
220 rojam : I bet they won't change the opening times of the lounge though - the Anna Livia used to close at 19h00 (about 4 hours before the airport's last fligh
221 shamrock350 : This is Aer Lingus we're talking about, Mueller said 24 hours but I think 24 days is probably more realistic with them!
222 EagleBoy : In Irish aviation news, FR had an rejected landing in Memmingen that resulted in the aircraft approaching below 1000ft of the ground short of the runw
223 tailfin : Are they planning to sue the BFU aswell?
224 Post contains links kaitak : ... and Memmingen Airport, for being lower than the crew thought it would be. That said, while I do respect the Aviation Herald, they do leave themse
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