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"Flight" Starring Denzel Washington  
User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3306 times:

Has anyone heard any of the "buzz" over the upcoming film "Flight." From the trailer, it appears to be about a functioning alcholoic pilot who miraculously lands a jetliner headded for a horrifc crash.


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User currently offlinePoadrim From Norway, joined Oct 2008, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3012 times:
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Just saw the trailer myself, and it's looks like a decent movie. I looking forward to see it.


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User currently offlinePMUA787 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2908 times:

This reminds me of another movie made in the '70's that starred Cliff Robertson who played a functioning alcoholic pilot. The title of that movie eludes me.

Like the winglets on the MD-80! I wonder if they did that to make it look different so the movie makers were not trying to portray the MD-80.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21795 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

Part of me is interested in seeing this, but another part of me is cringing at the thought of all the stuff they'll be getting wrong.

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User currently offlineKAUST From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 107 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2710 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
Part of me is interested in seeing this, but another part of me is cringing at the thought of all the stuff they'll be getting wrong.

My sentiments, exactly. And strangely enough: the film is only 139minutes long. This leads me to thoughts: it is VERY short for Zemeckis standards, and precisely how dramatic is it? 139 is typically the length reserved for comedies.

Guess we shall soon find out!


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User currently offlineCaptainKramer From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

If you want a sneak preview of how Robert Zemeckis handles flying sequences and plane crashes in movies, look no further than Cast Away which featured a Fed Ex A300 crashing at sea at night, very dramatic as a movie crash should be.

I only had one major issue when I saw it and that was that after the plane crashed in the sea during a storm the engine continued to run, almost sucking in Tom Hanks while he was in the water. I though it was a bit far fetched, but having seen a youtube of a bizjet I think it was a Learjet, having overshot the runway and landed in a creek, both engines continued to run, although grant you it never submerged underwater like the Fed Ex A300 would have in Cast Away.

I can appreciate directors taking creative license when featuring aircraft in movies, but being an aviation buff I do find it distracting while watching a movie and I am taken out of the film because a film maker has taken a liberty that beggars belief to say the least, try and keep it real, is all I am saying.


User currently offlinealaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

I guarantee this "crash" scene will be incredibly fake. From the previews I saw it looks like that "MD-80" handles like an Extra 300.

Still want to see the movie however.


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

Looking forward to seeing it. I am sure we will all find plenty of mistakes but at least it looks like they got the cockpit right for an MD-80 that is impressive honestly. I am thinking the winglets needed to be put on so MD-80 operators don't get upset? Or Boeing itself? Or maybe just put them on to make it look like a newer plane. Who knows. It will be fun to watch. And Denzel is good.


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User currently offlineAviRaider From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2196 times:

Quoting alaska737 (Reply 6):

Remember Alaska Airlines Flight 261? It nosed dived repeatedly and flew inverted before crashing. From what I've seen from the trailer it looks as if this movie took elements of the 261 crash.


User currently offline777guy From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

Quoting PMUA787 (Reply 2):
This reminds me of another movie made in the '70's that starred Cliff Robertson who played a functioning alcoholic pilot. The title of that movie eludes me.


The name of that movie is "The Pilot" . I have an old copy on VCR that I have not watched for awhile. Seems like a good movie but at times is a little soapy.


User currently offlinePMUA787 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

Quoting 777guy (Reply 9):
The name of that movie is "The Pilot" . I have an old copy on VCR that I have not watched for awhile. Seems like a good movie but at times is a little soapy.

That's right. I believe there is a trailer for this film on YouTube as well.


User currently offlinekann123air From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 985 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

Just saw it. Didn't like it at all. Not enough about aviation and more about the stuff you usually find it R rated movies.....


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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1623 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1853 times:

Quoting kann123air (Reply 11):
Just saw it. Didn't like it at all. Not enough about aviation and more about the stuff you usually find it R rated movies.....

I loved the movie! It's not a movie about flying, however, it's a movie about an irresponsible guy who, following a heroic act, realizes he must come to terms with a lifetime of misconduct. Having represented many people over the years with substance abuse issues, I found the movie pretty powerful. The plane segment at the beginning - believable or not - managed to hook me in!


User currently offlineKC135Hydraulics From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

Quoting CaptainKramer (Reply 5):
I only had one major issue when I saw it and that was that after the plane crashed in the sea during a storm the engine continued to run, almost sucking in Tom Hanks while he was in the water. I though it was a bit far fetched, but having seen a youtube of a bizjet I think it was a Learjet, having overshot the runway and landed in a creek, both engines continued to run, although grant you it never submerged underwater like the Fed Ex A300 would have in Cast Away.

I'm pretty sure they were trying to imply that the aircraft was an MD-11... the cockpit was a hybrid of one anyway. They would not be using A300s on Pacific flights to Tahiti or wherever they were going.


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

I was watching the game last week with a friend when the trailer came on. I told him "Those guys on Airliners are going to tear that movie to pieces.

My question just from the trailer is how long can a modern airliner maintain inverted flight?



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

Saw it the day it was released! Was good as movies go, but was a bit depressing. Also, I would have liked to see more aviation and airplanes in the movie! Still liked it a lot.

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5195 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

I saw it last week.

Denzel gave a great performance (Oscar nom most likely) and John Goodman was terrific as Denzel's dope man (Oscar nom highly possible).

That said, the movie is certainly a character study vs. an aviation nut's wet dream. I'm quite sure some of the techies on here will find some flaws but no glaring flubs that I could see, wingletted MD-80 aside.

The flight sequence portion of the film was the catalyst for the character developments that follow but certainly not the star of the film.

Worth a view for those who enjoy some good acting.



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User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5259 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 7):
I am thinking the winglets needed to be put on so MD-80 operators don't get upset? Or Boeing itself?

Why would film makers care about that? There are plenty of movies where complete US cities are destroyed, nobody asked the citizens if they liked that ides..  


User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1878 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1849 times:
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Looking at the trailer it seems that it is a character driven story that develops from the aircrash rather than a movie about an aircrash....

I may well have gotten the wrong impression but will still give this a chance sometime over the next few weeks.


User currently offlinen797mx From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1849 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 18):
Looking at the trailer it seems that it is a character driven story that develops from the aircrash rather than a movie about an aircrash....

I may well have gotten the wrong impression but will still give this a chance sometime over the next few weeks.

If you think this movie is about a plane crash, you're gonna have a bad time...  

It was ok IMO. It was mostly two hours of watching Denzel Washington drink and do crack so I was disappointed...



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User currently offlineMd88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1335 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 days ago) and read 1849 times:

Cockpit scenes were filmed in a DAL MD88 simulator in ATL.

User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7469 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 days ago) and read 1851 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 17):
Why would film makers care about that? There are plenty of movies where complete US cities are destroyed, nobody asked the citizens if they liked that ides..

A single movie by the major studios is a huge production with hundreds of persons involved, the director and producers do not oversee every single detail, I'm sure you have seen a number of movies where PC gets into the movie somehow.
Its the reason why there is a Directors Cut, which is now also a product to be sold and gain revenues.


User currently offlineHighflier92660 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1844 times:

Quoting Md88Captain (Reply 20):
Cockpit scenes were filmed in a DAL MD88 simulator in ATL.

It's remarkable that Delta allowed filming to take place in their MD88 simulator. Airlines are usually so squeamish about allowing anything negative to reflect upon them. Although I understand the airline in this movie was a mythical regional airline based in the southeast U.S., Denzel Washington as a drug and alcoholic abuser is hardly the heroic image the industry wants.

When the movie trailers of Flight first came out, I immediately thought of an old 1970s book called "The Pilot". In that fictional work the captain hides booze in the lavatory and flies his routes loaded with what the book calls spookers.


User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1142 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 22):
When the movie trailers of Flight first came out, I immediately thought of an old 1970s book called "The Pilot". In that fictional work the captain hides booze in the lavatory and flies his routes loaded with what the book calls spookers.

The movie version of "The Pilot" came out in 1979, produced, directed and starring the late Cliff Robertson. A decent enough movie if you can find it. Lots of DC-8 action!


User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1878 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1842 times:
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Quoting n797mx (Reply 19):
If you think this movie is about a plane crash, you're gonna have a bad time...  

So looks like my impression of the film is correct then......

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 18):
Looking at the trailer it seems that it is a character driven story that develops from the aircrash rather than a movie about an aircrash....

Still gonna give it a shot, Denzel is a great actor so should be good to watch.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8339 posts, RR: 23
Reply 25, posted (2 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

Quoting alaska737 (Reply 6):

I guarantee this "crash" scene will be incredibly fake. From the previews I saw it looks like that "MD-80" handles like an Extra 300.

I've only seen the trailer, but yes, it definitely looks like physics do not apply in this film. To roll an MD-80 about an axis and fly upside down without any change in altitude, as if it was fixed on a stick, could absolutely 100% never ever happen.

I also rather doubt that a wing, as strong as they are built structurally, could hack a church steeple off without sustaining massive damage (i.e. ripping the wing apart.) And is it just me or is that either the tiniest church on the planet or is the MD-80's wing now 400 feet long?

Either way, I'm quite sure the majority of this movie is not supposed to be about flying, but the glaring errors I've seen just in the trailer give me absolutely no desire to see this film.



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User currently offlineMd88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1335 posts, RR: 20
Reply 26, posted (2 years 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

The wing vs steeple question makes me recall the USMC EA-6 that sliced through the cable car cable in Italy years ago. I would have thought that the EA-6 wing would come right off but it suffered comparatively little damage. We've also seen wings slice through trees and keep intact (AMR MD80 @ BDL).

User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1723 posts, RR: 7
Reply 27, posted (2 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

Quoting PMUA787 (Reply 2):
This reminds me of another movie made in the '70's that starred Cliff Robertson who played a functioning alcoholic pilot. The title of that movie eludes me.

It was called "The Pilot" and starred Cliff Robertson. It's available on DVD.

I saw the film last week and a few things rang true--the first officer's feeling that something was wrong with the captain prior to departure. But he did and said nothing--in reality, he would have made a hard but necessary phone call.

The second was the whole inverted airplane thing. Implausable.

The crash scene was ok except when the right wing hit the steeple in reality it would have sheared of the wingtip, skewed the airplane to the right and slammed it into the ground. And the MD80's do NOT have winglets. Plus, if the aircraft had landed the way that one did, left wing down, it would have caused a fireball that would have engulfed the entire left side of the airplane. They could not have dumped that much fuel in just a few minutes.

But in the end good triumped over bad. He did "the right thing." (not to be a spoiler.)



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User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2696 posts, RR: 4
Reply 28, posted (2 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2384 times:

I've been looking forward to seeing this movie since I first clapped eye on the trailer in February I think it was.

I'm am, however, extremely disappointed to see its not to be found in any cinema in my area or beyond.
Just like Red Tails (which took about 3 months to appear here after its US release).

[Edited 2012-11-17 17:06:13]


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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2968 posts, RR: 13
Reply 29, posted (2 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2382 times:
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I saw it and it was a very powerful movie. It is a HOLLYWOOD movie and drama trumps factual airplane technicalities. But it is (to me) about the sad and horrible sickness addiction is. If drugs or alcohol have touched any of your lives, it will have an impact on you. Denzel was awesome.

As for the issue of obscuring the aircraft type, it makes sense for a general audience not to attribute the malfunction or defect to a certain airplane they could then be afraid to fly. Same goes for creating a bogus airline, if they used Delta or Southwest, it would be very unfair to them. As for using name brands, the beer and spirits companies should be very upset.

But, the whole aircraft incident in the movie is thrilling even if inaccurate IMHO!



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8339 posts, RR: 23
Reply 30, posted (2 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 27):
They could not have dumped that much fuel in just a few minutes.

MD-80's can't dump fuel anyway.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 29):
But it is (to me) about the sad and horrible sickness addiction is.

Which is why I'll withhold judgement on the movie as a whole, because it's not an "aviation movie."



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User currently offlinenz2 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2007, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (2 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

Quoting KAUST (Reply 4):
My sentiments, exactly. And strangely enough: the film is only 139minutes long. This leads me to thoughts: it is VERY short for Zemeckis standards, and precisely how dramatic is it? 139 is typically the length reserved for comedies.

2 hours 19 is a reasonable length for a movie. A lot of them these days are only 100 minutes or so

Quoting CaptainKramer (Reply 5):
featured a Fed Ex A300

It was an MD11 and the engine in question was the tail one hence the reason it was still running, it was still out of the sea.


User currently offlinecxh From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (2 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 29):
I saw it and it was a very powerful movie. It is a HOLLYWOOD movie and drama trumps factual airplane technicalities. But it is (to me) about the sad and horrible sickness addiction is. If drugs or alcohol have touched any of your lives, it will have an impact on you. Denzel was awesome.

Very good post. I saw the movie last night and that summarizes my feelings too. It is a movie about addiction, with aviation providing the context and background. Denzel Washington's profession could have been many others, but the idea of an alcoholic, drug addicted pilot pulling off an amazing "crash landing" of a disabled aircraft shows that some addicts are actually highly skilled professionals that are still able to function in society. Not all are unemployed junkies or "whinos".

There is a line in the movie early on when Washington's union rep / old flying buddy from the Navy (played by Bruce Greenwood) says something like, "I remember you use to fly for Delta". Probably added to make it clear to the audience that the fictional airline was not modeled after Delta.

And the fact that my wife was willing to go see the movie with me when she can't stand "airplane talk" was a real bonus!  



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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1723 posts, RR: 7
Reply 33, posted (2 years 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2159 times:

For a quick "airplane movie fix" I heartily recommend "The Pilot." Cliff Robertson stars as a DC-8 captain (some GREAT interior and exterior shots of the DC-8-50 series). He is an alcohol abuser but is under treatment to stop drinking. The ending is predictable but what I liked was the fact that this fictional pilot lived in Ridgefield, CT where I lived. Ridgefield is (or was) a pilot heaven when CT had no state income tax. I worked on the DC-8 for many years and it brought back a lot of memories--the little "lounge" in front, then a narrow corridor with a galley on one side and 2 lavs and a closet on the other and THEN came first class. It meant that the overwing exits were only about 3-4 rows back in tourist class.

The coffee makers used real cans of coffee and had perferators that punched a hole in the top of the can and one in the bottom and forced the hot water through. If you released the handle too soon after the brewing cycle completed and the can had not depressurized, you got rewarded with a showering spray of hot coffee grounds all over you. We learned the hard way to stand off to one side and release the handle.

But a great airplane, tough and roomy with real curtains on the windows.



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User currently offlineSJCMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (2 years 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 13):
I'm pretty sure they were trying to imply that the aircraft was an MD-11... the cockpit was a hybrid of one anyway. They would not be using A300s on Pacific flights to Tahiti or wherever they were going.

I never really understood why someone was sending ice skates to the South Pacific.


User currently offlinesanti319 From Mexico, joined Dec 2005, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (2 years 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

If you work for the airline industry you know the events depicted in this movie and the stuff the pilot gets away with are extremely unlikely and completely false. However the story of alcoholism and drug addiction is closer to the truth.

User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1723 posts, RR: 7
Reply 36, posted (2 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

Quoting santi319 (Reply 35):
If you work for the airline industry you know the events depicted in this movie and the stuff the pilot gets away with are extremely unlikely and completely false. However the story of alcoholism and drug addiction is closer to the truth.

Since we are all subject to random alcohol and drug testing (I seemed to get nabbed about once a year) very, VERY few people abuse the system. It's just not worth the risk. I read somewhere that the positive test rate was and I seem to recall that it was a fraction of sent system and state laws be damned. No grass, no time, nowhere. Much easier to enforce a single standard.



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Reply 37, posted (2 years 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2084 times:
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I saw the movie a few days ago and liked it very much. I could tell that they used more than one aircraft because in some scenes there was a missing window on the port side, just like Delta's MD-88s. And in other scenes the window was there, making me think it was an MD-81/82/83. The seat covers were from American Airlines, but since there were no adjustable headrests, the seats were probably from ex-TWA MD-80s. Also, they had the original MD-80 overhead bin doors.

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