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Sun Country "On The Rise"  
User currently offlineMountainFlyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 476 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

This nice article in Bloomberg doesn't really say anything especially new, but it is nice to see SY seems to be doing well.

Several months ago when NK moved into MSP at Terminal 2, many (including myself) were skeptical about SY's ability to compete long term against the larger ULCC. At least so far, that does not seem to be an issue. If anything, the article seems to indicate that SY is in fact benefitting from reduced DL service at MSP vs years past with NW.

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User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

Very interesting article. Seems to be that they have found success with some of the seasonal-turning year around destinations and turning profits

I know in Lansing, they are still happy with the MSP and DCA service. It will be very interesting though, G4 recently started service to SFB, so they have some competition to Orlando. I would love to see them drop MCO, and move it to TPA. I know I would love the direct link to Tampa Bay. It seems if they do that, G4 probably wouldn't move or expand to PIE right away, allowing SY to let the route develop. If they could co-exist in LAN to stimulate traffic away from GRR especially, who has one of the top 15 or 20 most expensive airfares in the county, it would be great.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

Quoting MountainFlyer (Thread starter):
This nice article in Bloomberg doesn't really say anything especially new, but it is nice to see SY seems to be doing well.

Several months ago when NK moved into MSP at Terminal 2, many (including myself) were skeptical about SY's ability to compete long term against the larger ULCC.

I view NK as an American version of FR, therefore I won't fly them. SY has always been a nice airline to fly. To bad they don't come to DFW anymore.


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Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

You can call me crazy but would sun country ever fly MSP-ATL

Just a thought


User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
To bad they don't come to DFW anymore.

Ummm, they still fly to DFW.



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User currently onlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2302 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

question: I've always known them to be a niche airline from MSP, but what's the deal with LAN? It seems that its the only "feeder" city in its system (most other cities are more destination type). Could we see anymore cities like this from SY?

User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 5):
question: I've always known them to be a niche airline from MSP, but what's the deal with LAN? It seems that its the only "feeder" city in its system (most other cities are more destination type).

Sun Country originally came to LAN on a charter contract with Apple Vacations, taking over for USA3000. They wanted to serve DCA, but there were no beyond-perimeter slots available. There were other slots available due to the Republic/Frontier merger. SY applied for LAN-DCA, while acknowledging MSP would be the tag on in both directions (it is even the same flight number (265 MSP-LAN-DCA, 266 DCA-LAN-MSP). The issue arose when it was determined that the slots should not have been reallocated; but the FAA created a new pair for SY, as it wasn't their fault. LAN loved this idea because it would restore service to DC after Independence Air pulled out years ago. They still have the Apple Vacations contract, flying to Cancun, Punta Cana and Puerto Vallarta seasonally. In the past, they have also flown to Jamaca. Sun County has also added Las Vegas and Orlando seasonally to Lansing. There was an article a while back that SY seemed pleased with LAN's performane and hinted that more service may be on the horizon (this was before they announced LAS).

I wouldn't be surprised if they add TPA, and I know the airport would like a direct link to the Northeast (i.e. New York).



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8541 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

SY stands to benefit from the nationwide yield boom. The economy of the USA is actually worse than 2006. SY has always been a relief valve on legacy fares. Legacy fares are in nosebleed territory. SY gains.

User currently offlineT8KE0FF From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

What happened to their seasonal service to London via Gander that they had going a few years ago?


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User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2045 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Quoting T8KE0FF (Reply 8):
What happened to their seasonal service to London via Gander that they had going a few years ago?

Was run for ETOPS experience so they could get long haul DOD flights. Like USA-Japan and USA -Mideast. They are also doing DOJ flights to Hawaii.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3261 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
To bad they don't come to DFW anymore.

I'm 99.9% sure I saw a SY 738 at DFW on 09/12/12 when I was at E gates flying out on NK.



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User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2444 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 6):
They wanted to serve DCA, but there were no beyond-perimeter slots available. There were other slots available due to the Republic/Frontier merger. SY applied for LAN-DCA, while acknowledging MSP would be the tag on in both directions (it is even the same flight number (265 MSP-LAN-DCA, 266 DCA-LAN-MSP)

Does SY receive any revenue guarantees from LAN for the DCA service? Obviously Apple provides most of the revenue for their seasonal destinations from LAN.

I've often wondered how many passengers actually fly LAN-DCA-LAN. I suspect most are MSP passengers.



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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2798 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2130 times:
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Good for Sun Country. I've never personally flown them but many of my friends from the twin cities love them. I often see them up here in GFK doing charter flights for the UND football team. They have a sharp looking paint scheme. They seem to have a nice little niche in MSP and hopefully they can give DL some competition on some routes and drive down some of the high fares.
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User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4402 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2128 times:
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Also of interest regarding SY and Lansing, Michigan (LAN) and MSP:

LAN-PVR eff 01FEB13 till 05APR13 (Friday's only)
SY539 LAN 0800 – 1145 PVR 738
SY540 PVR 1235 – 1740 LAN 738

LAN-LAS eff 27DEC12 till 08APR13 (twice weekly)
SY147 LAN 0930 – 1045 LAS 738
SY141 LAN1630 – 1745 LAS 738

SY will also be offering new seasonal MSP-TPA (4x weekly) and MSP-Huatulco, Mexico (1x weekly)

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 3):
You can call me crazy but would sun country ever fly MSP-ATL

Just a thought

DL and WN (on FL equipment) both fly MSP-ATL with several daily frequencies. I wouldn't think it would be at the top of their list but I suppose anything is possible. US, DL, and WN all fly PHX-MSP and SY still flies it seasonal even with the competition on that route.

Quoting T8KE0FF (Reply 8):
What happened to their seasonal service to London via Gander that they had going a few years ago?

It operated last year but only from June-August with a switch to LGW instead of STN. I'm not sure if it will be coming back next year or if it operated this year.



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User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 928 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

I just saw a SY 737 at the int'l terminal "D" at DFW. I do not know where it was going but likely PVR? Also I seriously doubt that ATL would ever see a scheduled MSP-ATL service. Just my opinion.


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User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

While living in Tucson I always appreciated seeing their seasonal service from MSP.

User currently offlineMountainFlyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 14):
Also I seriously doubt that ATL would ever see a scheduled MSP-ATL service. Just my opinion.

Same here. I would imagine DL could kill that in a heartbeat, although would they even try as the most SY could throw at the route is one, maybe two 737s a day. Then again, SY seems to be able to compete at least seasonally on MSP-SEA, a high demand route with both DL and AS on it as well. I was reading a thread from a couple years ago when AS started SEA-MSP, and many were predicting they would knock SY off the route. So far, it hasn't happened. In the summer, the smallest scheduled DL flight on that route is a 752 with most flights being 753 and even a once a day 763. SY manages to throw in a couple flights a day on that route successfully.

They also manage MSP-MCO directly competing with DL and FL (recently switched to WN metal).



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User currently offlinemetjetCEO From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

Out of DFW they go to CUN and MSP year round

User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2133 times:

Could this be the next target for WN.? After FL has been fully digested and disappears?

User currently offlineplanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2133 times:

One thing I'd like to point out - this appears to be a Minneapolis Star Tribune article that is reprinted in Bloomberg." Not sourced by Bloomberg Business Week.

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 3):
You can call me crazy but would sun country ever fly MSP-ATL

Depends on their cost structure - it's possible they could offer fares low enough on one or two flights a day to compete with DL, but most likely it would be a money-losing venture for them as DL (which contains much NW blood) would easily go $10 lower than any fare SY would offer.



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User currently onlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2302 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2131 times:

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 18):
Could this be the next target for WN.? After FL has been fully digested and disappears?

I've often wondered that myself, they could be a target for WN down the road if WN wants more gates at MSP.

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 6):

Sun Country originally came to LAN on a charter contract with Apple Vacations, taking over for USA3000. They wanted to serve DCA, but there were no beyond-perimeter slots available. There were other slots available due to the Republic/Frontier merger. SY applied for LAN-DCA, while acknowledging MSP would be the tag on in both directions (it is even the same flight number (265 MSP-LAN-DCA, 266 DCA-LAN-MSP). The issue arose when it was determined that the slots should not have been reallocated; but the FAA created a new pair for SY, as it wasn't their fault. LAN loved this idea because it would restore service to DC after Independence Air pulled out years ago. They still have the Apple Vacations contract, flying to Cancun, Punta Cana and Puerto Vallarta seasonally. In the past, they have also flown to Jamaca. Sun County has also added Las Vegas and Orlando seasonally to Lansing. There was an article a while back that SY seemed pleased with LAN's performane and hinted that more service may be on the horizon (this was before they announced LAS).

I wouldn't be surprised if they add TPA, and I know the airport would like a direct link to the Northeast (i.e. New York).

Interesting...I was wondering, it just seemed out of all their routes LAN seemed so random. I wonder if LAN sends alot of connecting passenger through MSP? They must be doing fairly well there. Good for LAN to have their service.


User currently offlineNWADTWE16 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2130 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 20):
they could be a target for WN down the road if WN wants more gates at MSP.

There are plenty of un-used gates at MSP and Sun Country operates from their own facility so this stands no merit...


User currently offlinemetjetCEO From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

Quoting NWADTWE16 (Reply 21):
There are plenty of un-used gates at MSP and Sun Country operates from their own facility so this stands no merit...

I believe they share a terminal and about 10 gates with Southwest, Air Tran, Spirit, and a couple International Carriers.


User currently offlineb757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

LAN-TPA would be full of nothing but low yielding crap. It would never survive.


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User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 868 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2129 times:
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SY was in DFW today. They were parked on a ramp near the D gates.

25 ASFlyer : Sun Country flies a lot of low yielding crap and seems to make it work. That's kind of what they specialize in - vacation markets.
26 Post contains links mariner : The Sun Country/Apple Vacations schedule for DFW: http://www.applevacations.com/flight-schedule/dfw-dallas_ft-worth/ mariner
27 freakyrat : SY was mentioned as one of the possibilities of flying SBN-EWR if they could get the slots.
28 stlgph : I wouldn't really call it crap.
29 b757capt : Disagree Agree. They fly very good vacation routes that seem to do well. Of course there are a few off routes like DCA that work for other reasons.
30 dlramp4life : SY carries alot of mail, ALOT. I think that can contribute to some of their success.
31 SYfan100 : SY is a very good Airline in which I have flown on them several times. Would rather fly on a 737-800 with them then a MD-90 with Delta to DCA. Custome
32 OB1504 : It's my impression that Sun Country is on the higher end as far as low-cost carriers go, while Spirit is on the opposite end of the spectrum. As in m
33 B727FA : I'm not sure where anyone is seeing "plenty of unused gates in MSP." Perhaps at T2, but T1 is pretty stacked overall.
34 Acey559 : Funny, I was just looking at the SY jobs page yesterday and they're hiring a DFW lead station agent. I've always been intrigued with SY though, good t
35 ASFlyer : Honestly, I wouldn't either but they currently fly MSP-MCO/RSW/MIA/TPA and I can't see how that's any better than LAN-TPA would be. I guess I was try
36 b757capt : Population base for one. DTW and FNT being 1-2 hours away for second. MSP can pull traffic to the destinations you mentioned just saying that the val
37 sunking737 : LAN is Apple Vacations except for MSP-LAN-DCA. SY also flies gambling flights to/from IFP, Has since 2002. Mr Laughlin helped keep SY flying until MN
38 iowaman : Interesting, especially considering their route network is relatively limited. As small as terminal 2 is, there aren't any unused gates but certainly
39 dlramp4life : Their PHX flight will always have mail, at least five to eight thousand pounds coming off and maybe 50 to 100 pounds going back on for the return fli
40 mtnwest1979 : I saw one in SEA last week.
41 JetBlueGuy2006 : Orlando and LAS are not Apple Vacations if I remember correctly, but feel free to correct. What I meant by the TPA route comment was that last year,
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