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User currently offlineEmirates777 From Tanzania, joined Feb 2000, 655 posts, RR: 2
Posted (14 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

Some of the latest developments:

1/ Kochi. Emirates has been granted approval to fly to Kochi (in India) from September 2002. EK is currently in the process of negotiating weekly seat allocations. Firm details will be announced over the next couple of months. This development has happened in light of Kerala being opened up to other Gulf carriers. I know Oman Air has already started and Qatar are due to begin by the end of the year and Kuwait Airways will start in early 2002.

On the Indian front, the Hyderabad service is off to a good start. Loads are very strong. Emirates is also working with the Indian authorities on access into Bangalore and Trivandrum.

2/ Peshawar. With the phasing out of the A300/A310s, there is some debate over what happens with the Peshawar route. My understanding was that at least one A310 would stick around, but now it appears even this will be phased out by April next year. Given that the A330 has difficulty operating into PEW (turning circle too short), two options are under consideration. First, drop the route altogether. Second, code-share with another carrier eg. PIA.

3/ Johannesburg is having a stellar year. Seats are very hard to find. With a lack of available 777s to offer higher capacity, Emirates may add a couple of frequencies in addition to the daily A330.

4/ Dusseldorf. Currently only averaging 130 pax per flight. Although slated to operate with an A310, the SriLankan crisis has meant the A310 has been switched over to the Colombo route. At the moment they are plying 285 seat A330s as no other acft are available. As expected, cargo is the major source of revenue here. The rumour mill over the planned A330 one-stop op. to NYC has now shifted to DUS. Given the loads here are so weak they can utilise the extra capacity for NYC pax. Personally i think the US flight via Europe are looking less likely. I think they will wait until the A340-500s arrive at the end of 2002.

5/ Munich. Plans for the 2nd daily are still on. But this will happen gradually (one more A330s arrive later in 2002). In the meantime, to cover short-term demand they will operate B777-200s when needed.

6/ Dublin. Negotiations are continuing with the Irish authorities. No set date yet but likely to be in the next 6 months.

7/ Aircraft repaint in new colours. Almost the entire fleet has been repainted in the new colours except the A300 (A6-EKM) and A310s (A6-EKK, EKL, EKP).

A board meeting is scheduled for Sept. to approve Emirates ambitious expansion plans. This will approve a fresh new order of acft which will be placed at the Dubai airshow in November.

Next year a whole new batch of 777-300s arrive (5 of them) in addition to at least 5 A330-200s.

Next acft due for delivery: A6-EAI Airbus A330-243 (JY-high density config.)

Anyway, that's it. I flew Emirates this week and managed to jumpseat in the A330 again. It was great, and this time i got the headset to listen to the pilot/ATC comms.


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User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (14 years 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

What about the planned services to Perth or Brisbane, Australia? Are they going to go on with that? Is there any stops between these routes? If yes where? About its KUL operation, shouldn't they operate it non-stop instead with a stop in Dhaka? Passengers traveling on Malaysia-Europe sector finds it really troublesome to stop in both Dubai and Dhaka. Are they omiting that stop? Thanx.


User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (14 years 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

What about Moscow? There is a huge traffic between two cities and I guess Emirates wants to break Aeroflot's monopoly since a long time.

User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

And what about the GLA services due to start shortly??

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 13242 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (14 years 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2103 times:

I wonder if anyone from Emirates is on this board - they would be delighted to see how popular they are, from Moscow, to Glasgow and of course the centre of the known universe (aka Dublin!)!!

Seriously, great news and great to see them growing so well. I don't know if you got a recent email from the orders egroup, but apparently more 332 orders are expected at the Dubai air show in November. One point while I'm thinking of it - have they ever considered A330-300s? I realise that the -200 has a longer range, but on most of the 332's EK routes, such as MAN, BHX, etc., the 332's range isn't tested and it would seem better, if they needed capacity growth - even on particular days of the week - to have the opportunity to switch up to the 333, rather than a whole new aircraft (the 777).

Thanks for your continued info on EK, which is much valued!

User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4170 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (14 years 8 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2074 times:

Aeroflot's not the only airline that flies the DXB-SVO route. In the airport timetable it says both PC and SU fly this route five times a week each.

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User currently offlineEg777er From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 1844 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (14 years 8 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

So does this mean that standby chances on DUS-DXB are good - even at Christmas time?

Regards from the little island further up the Gulf...

User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 25337 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (14 years 8 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

I guess the 2nd daily MAN wont be announced until more A330s arrive. Although I thoiught they may have hurried it up especially with CX leaving MAN.

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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7796 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (14 years 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2051 times:
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The BHX-DXB service saw a bit of a dramatic slump in May, with "only" around 7,000 passengers (averaging about 112 passengers a flight) compared to over 11,000 passengers in the previous 2 months of operations.

The MAN-DXB service carried around 12,500 passengers (precisely 166 passengers fewer this May than last May) but this is around 1,000 passengers down on the previous 2 months.

Anyone got a reason for this discrepency in performance between the two routes?

I know the figures are slightly out-of-date but the Civil Aviation Authority only releases the data 3 months later than the month referred to.


User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (14 years 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2044 times:

My only guess is that foot and mouth had put some people off from travelling into Britain during May, but I flew the MAN -DXB route in July/Aug this year and the flight was completely full. The loads on the MAN-DXB are generally very high, hence the negotiations about a second daily service.

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User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2033 times:

I think Emirates should consider some narrow-bodies like 738/739 or A320/321.

A330 is a little to big for A310 replacement. And Peshawar is not a good airport for 330 to land. and if DUS got only 150 people per flight, then I think EK should really considering jets with less than 200 seats.

User currently offline757man From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 370 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (14 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2026 times:

I've just read on a BHX enthusiast website the news of the sudden drop of PAX using the service. Going from a monthly average of 165 to only 112 PAX per flight is a significant drop.

Jiml1126 raises a very valid point though. Maybe EK should consider smaller equipment? Having the A330-200 as the smallest fleet member (when the last of the older 'buses have gone) may cause problems for the airline. The question is, which type would be in the running? Perhaps the 767 or even the often talked about 757-200ERX? Airbus should really try and consider relaunching a new version of the A310.

User currently offlineBA-747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (14 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2022 times:

so what about the GLA route is EK gonna fly to GLA??

User currently offlineZizou From Australia, joined Oct 2000, 1536 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (14 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

Thanks "Emirates777" for this much appreciated info. Has Emirates resumed their Dubai-Colombo-Singapore-Jakarta vv flights now?

Apparently, things are improving slowly wit SriLankan and the flights into Colombo are pickning up. Will then Emirates be resuming their B777 flights into Colombo before the years out?

Also, SriLankan is soon to start flying Male-LHR nonstop. I wouldn't think that Emirates would be too happy about this, as lots of UK tourists go via DXB to Male on Emirates.

Keep up the food work!

User currently offlineBA-747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (14 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2020 times:

so what about the GLA route is EK gonna fly to GLA??

User currently offlineD-AIFB From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (14 years 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

Emirates777, thank you very much for this information!!!

I just wonder how EK´s FRA service is doing in terms of pax and cargo? Don´t EK consider a second daily to FRA?

As for MUC it seems that the flight is rather sucessful now. I experienced here at the airport several times, that the loads espacially in F and C seem to be very high. What about cargo ex MUC?

Thanks a lot for any further information!

Regards, D-AIFB

User currently offlineEGBB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (14 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1991 times:

The reason you see the pax drop away during early summer i.e may/june is because of the weather in India etc where alot of the BHX connect onto, as soon as the rainy season is over you will see a fast improvement i am sure as its the same with the Turkmenistan service each year

All the best

Derek Pedley

User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (14 years 8 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1981 times:

I agree with the idea of smaller aircraft, especially with intra-gulf flights and some Indian services. They fly a B 777 to Bahrain, and I really dont knw how economical this is. Im wondering how much lnger it will be until they see a need to get new aircraft of smaller size?

Another thing if possible, What are the Desinations that EK serves?
These are the few I know:


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7796 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (14 years 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1967 times:
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Foot and mouth and Indian weather can't explain a 4000 passenger difference between the MAN and BHX figures when there had previously been around 1000 passenger difference! Otherwise, the MAN figures would have had the same result.

There's got to be a different reason.


User currently offlineFlyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

Don't forget that they fly to
NCE - Nice (France)
CDG - Paris (France)
The Nice sector has a stop over in Rome for like 30 mins then a quick 30 min flight to Nice at 18,000 feet.
From Paris direct to Dubai. Both flights when I was on them were opperated by the A330.

User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6379 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

I think a Dubai-Dusseldorf-New York would be a good idea. Its good cause the airline starts being recognized in the US, prior to the launching of nonstop service from the US to Dubai. Plus they could get those seats full that are going out empty at this time.

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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 391 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

I think EK should quit Peshawar and code share with PIA on the route, or take passengers from there via Islamabad.

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User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

Well, now that Delta flies via Cairo to JFK and Malaysia Airlines which offers nonstop to EWR, I think Emirates shall see how these two airline is doing first. one with a stop and the other non-stop. As far as Malaysia Airlines is concern, their flights is doing great for the summer, with no seats available throughout September! But, EWR is still not a profit-making destination for Malaysia Airlines, so I really have no idea what is holding back Malaysia Airlines's profit for its KUL-DXB-EWR sector. With rumors that Malaysia Airlines going to suspend the EWR route, I think Emirates are considering this route cautiously! I am not too sure how Delta is doing on this route though!


User currently offlineEmirates777 From Tanzania, joined Feb 2000, 655 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1912 times:

Ok, in response to all the questions.

Perth is happening but has been deferred until April next year when more aircraft are due. Emirates want to do the route non-stop and are aiming to use a B777-200ER. I did hear on my travels in DXB that they were considering the A330-200 but this would be pushing the limits of the acft with a reduced payload.

Brisbane is not happening.

Kuala Lumpur. Once more 777s arrive KUL will become non-stop, so possibly next year.

Moscow. Emirates were planning to add SVO to their network in Winter 1998 but just before then the Rouble fell down the pan. Since then Moscow has fallen off the priority list. I think they will add this route progressively once the additional A330s arrive. No clear timing on it though.

Glasgow. This route is currently under evaluation. No firm date on startup but it looks interesting from the perspective of feeding traffic to the Asian subcontinent.

Dusseldorf Standby. Yes IMO the chances are pretty good. I think of all the European routes, this is probably still not overbooked around peak seasons. Now this is assuming they are still using A330s at the time. There is a likelihood that once things improve in SriLanka they will bring back the A310 to DUS and then your chances of a standby become slimmer. You see A310 has a capaacity of only 170 in Emirates' FJY config.

Manchester. The plans for the 2nd daily are still on. I think this could be the surprise one. When A6-EAI arrives at the end of November it was due to add extra flights to Colombo. With the tough situation, they have already downgraded the flight from a high density to a low density. This means they have a spare HD acft, which could be re-allocated possibly to MAN and a 2nd daily. I think the 2nd daily will be definitnely start by March next year.

Birmingham. I agree with the comments from other members here. Emirates has actually sent in low density A330s on a number of occasssions over the summer. The slump can be attributed to seasonal factors. Also remember that BHX is a much newer route than MAN hence the pax. loads tend to be concentrated to certain countries. MAN has a much more diverse range of connecting traffic eg. Australia, Far East and Africa, something that BHX traffic will build onto over time. Hence, MAN loads are better protected during slower seasonal times.

Colombo/Singapore/Jakarta. No this route has not been restored yet. It is still operating DXB-MLE-SIN-CGK using the B777-200.

Frankfurt. This route is doing well also and has been slated to receive a 2nd daily during 2002. Both pax and cargo are performing well. I think another reason for increasing the freqs to both FRA and MUC is to give frequent/premium travellers greater flexibility and options for travel.

NYC. Well there is a reason why Emirates doesn't non-stop into NYC at the moment. It is simply uneconomical for them to operate a reduced payload B777-200ER year round. Actually DNATA turns around the Malaysian aircraft at DXB and they have the exact performance figures for the route. Given that there is a payload penalty it is simply not worth carrying low yielding economy traffic all the way non-stop. Cargo is a valuable contributor and can make the difference in terms of a route going from red to black.

Yes i have noticed that UL plan on flying MLE-LHR non-stop. They are also due to start MLE-NRT nonstop. I think Emirates are not too bothered as they own 40% of SriLankan. Also anything at this stage to minimise UL's losses is better than nothing.

You can check the list of Emirates' destinations on their website.

Actually the A330-200 is an ideally suited aircraft for Emirates' long, short and medium haul ops. I think that EK tests the range of the A330-200 fairly well on its existing route structure. Remember this acft now operates many of Emirates' longest segments including Manila, Johannesburg and Manchester. Furthermore, the two different acft configs enable capacity switching easily. By retaining the A330-200 they keep the fleet composition simple and can switch aircraft around from long and short haul missions. Also, I don't know how capable the A330-300 would be able on a full payload to do something like a Manila which tends to be quite full year round.

The idea of using narrowbodies on short haul operations had been considered a couple of years ago. Based on my last conversations, they decided to drop the idea. Personally, I think they need it on those short gulf hops, from a profitability perspective. Bahrain is actually a busy route, and they can often fill a 777. The A330 is ideally suited to this route. But the joke route of the pack is Muscat – operated daily by a 300 seat 777. I know of stories where there has been 4 pax on board and they still do the flight. It's all to do with "political issues". Emirates flies a lot of routes for political reasons eg. Muscat, Sanaa. For other regional routes a 777 is necessary. I know the Saudi routes go chocker blocked in all classes. As Emirates doesn't have access for daily into Saudi cities they have to rely on 3x or 5x using high density 777s.


User currently offlineHash From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

The recent drop in passengers at BHX may have something to do with PIA increasing it's frequencies there but i'm not sure.

25 757man : As Emirates777 rightly pointed out, BHX is a new route which only started in Dec '00. I think it is too early to judge the PAX figures. Personally, I
26 Lj : And still EK doesn't even consider AMS as a pax destination (AMS will probably the last European city that will get an EK pax service). But then again
27 Eg777er : Thanks for the info on DUS - much appreciated. Was in DXB the other day - the line up of A330 after A330 was highly impressive. Gulf Air were offered
28 David_itl : Eg777er Gulf Air weren't allowed to operate MAN-BAH by the powers that be. Now those restrictions have been lifted, perhaps they may be persuaded to
29 Airmale : People flying PIA from BHX are mostly Pakistani's and of what I know many would rather fly PIA direct to Pakistan than stop over for hours in DXB, thi
30 Dalecary : Emirates777, do you have any info on the composition of the supposed huge EK order due to be announced at the Dubal air show in Nov? I presume more 33
31 Flyinghighboy : Would Emirates ever increase to twice daily flights to Melbourne? It was peak season though but flights were full on the 773 when I felw so would they
32 Emirates777 : As i mentioned there is a big board meeting in September to approve Emirates' expansion plans. The big order will be approved at that time and placed
33 Marco : IMO I think Emirates should add DUB and SVO to their network as soon as they can. I don't think that MEL will ever become double daily. The cost of a
34 ZK-NBT : Thanks for that Emirates 777! Have you got any info on services to Auckland NZ? as their rumours around awhile back about this! Anyway good luck to EK
35 Emirates777 : Emirates have expressed an interest in doing Auckland. My understanding was that it would only happen once the A340-500 arrives going via an Australia
36 Post contains images ZK-NBT : Thanks for that Emirates 777. Hope it goes ahead oneday. Scott.
37 Emirates777 : Emirates is planning on a fleet of 116 aircraft by 2010. The April to June period was difficult for the airline, however things have bounced back nice
38 Flyinghighboy : Sorry to bring the old one up again Doesn't Emirates already fly daily to Melbourne but only 3 times to Sydney? If you check the Melbourne Airport Web
39 Emirates777 : Yes Emirates flies daily to Melbourne via SIN. 3 of the weekly flights are op. by B777-300 while the other 4 by a B777-200ER. They actually fly 4x wee
40 Airmale : Off topic but Emirates777 can you please tell us why EK never took interest in buying off PIA or Air India? what was so attractive about Sri Lankan Ai
41 Emirates777 : The main issue it that they want management control. Air India wouldn't allow them. I also understand Emirates wanted more access into Indian airports
42 Post contains images PerthGloryfan : Great news re Emirates to Perth next year. Although it has been mooted before - hope it happens this time. I know Melbourne flights are very busy. But
43 Airmale : Actually PIA was up for sale in the mid or late 90's so Im referring to that period, and not the new privatization announcement made a few months ago.
44 BA-747 : do you know anything on glasgow GLA then cos i wanna see emirates at GLA real soon i also think they will do good in scotland. as they will be the onl
45 Emirates777 : As mentioned earlier, GLA along with many other routes is under evaluation. There is no priority to start this route yet. Rgds Emirates777
46 ETA Unknown : Typical Emirates- months of saying revenues are down on target and then- magic- profit posted. Oh well, that's what DNATA is for- siphon off some mone
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