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Afriqiyah Orders Four A350-900 XWBs  
User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1130 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

Air Transport World reports 4 additional orders for the A358 and upgrades earlier orders to A359.

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Libya-based Afriqiyah Airways (8U) has placed a follow-on order for four Airbus A350 XWBs and converted its earlier order for six A350-800s to the larger A350-900.

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...ah-orders-four-more-a350-xwbs-1112

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User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1332 times:

Here is Airbus' official report:

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...irm-order-for-four-more-a350-xwbs/


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6862 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1332 times:

By the way, Airbus date this order 1st October on their O&D spreadsheet.   

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30524 posts, RR: 84
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1332 times:
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So that's one customer for the A350-800 having moved away. I wonder how many more will follow.

User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1557 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1332 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
So that's one customer for the A350-800 having moved away. I wonder how many more will follow.

Symbolically I think that the HA A358 order is important in this respect, they went Airbus for their fleet renewal and have done very nicely with the A330 and at the same time placed A350-800 orders. The 358 is an aircraft that works really well for them as they look at opening up direct routes to Europe, it has a real logic in terms of PAX, range and seat per mile costs if Airbus get them to convert to the A359 I will begin to believe that the -800 is dead.



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User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 765 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1334 times:

Why does Afriqiyah want 10 A350s? Seems a bit over the top for an airline who have so far only operated small numbers of widebodies.

User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1334 times:

As I understand, Afriqiyah will be merging with Libyan Airlines next year - who also have 4 A358 orders. Will these be carried over or just cancelled in favour of the 4 A359s just ordered? Libyan's order is still on the Airbus books.

User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2122 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1334 times:

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 5):
Symbolically I think that the HA A358 order is important in this respect, they went Airbus for their fleet renewal and have done very nicely with the A330 and at the same time placed A350-800 orders. The 358 is an aircraft that works really well for them as they look at opening up direct routes to Europe, it has a real logic in terms of PAX, range and seat per mile costs if Airbus get them to convert to the A359 I will begin to believe that the -800 is dead.

I disagree. I think if Airbus can convince US and QR to convert to the A359 than the A358 is dead.

As of now there are 112 A358 orders (which includes KF's order of 5 which, let's be honest, is as good as dead), hasn't had a new customer since July 2008, and nobody apparently wants it before 2016. The clock is ticking on this model.


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4700 posts, RR: 38
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1331 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
So that's one customer for the A350-800 having moved away. I wonder how many more will follow.

Yes it is. But with 6 upgrades and 4 new orders for the A350-XWB program Airbus will not have any problem with this development.   Congrats to all parties involved for securing this deal.


User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1560 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1332 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 7):
Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 5): Symbolically I think that the HA A358 order is important in this respect, they went Airbus for their fleet renewal and have done very nicely with the A330 and at the same time placed A350-800 orders. The 358 is an aircraft that works really well for them as they look at opening up direct routes to Europe, it has a real logic in terms of PAX, range and seat per mile costs if Airbus get them to convert to the A359 I will begin to believe that the -800 is dead.
I disagree. I think if Airbus can convince US and QR to convert to the A359 than the A358 is dead.

There were rumors that one customer threatens to cancel its entire A350 order if Airbus drops the A358. It sounds very much like a QR (AAB) action, especially since they were very pleased with the last change, adding extra range. However, I feel it could be US, the A359 might be far too much plane and perhaps the 787 would actually be a better fit....



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User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2569 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1328 times:

Hmmm another -800 to -900 conversion...   

User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 633 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1328 times:

Taken on its own we should not read too much into this concerning the death of the A358.

Afriqah has merely revised its fleet plan to recognise that more people will want to visit Libya post-Gadaffi, and so it will need more, bigger, aircratft.


User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3373 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1328 times:

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 11):
Taken on its own we should not read too much into this concerning the death of the A358.

Afriqah has merely revised its fleet plan to recognise that more people will want to visit Libya post-Gadaffi, and so it will need more, bigger, aircratft.

Exactly, a change in the model mix and a top-up is good going considering that there's been a revolution between these orders being placed and now!


User currently offlineBommerJan From UK - England, joined Dec 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1326 times:

interesting.... I saw an Afriquiyah A340 parked at Perpignan when I drove from my home town of BCN to Cologne past the airport 10 days ago. Does anyone know what is going to happen to it? Also saw an ex-Spanair a320 and a few more planes which I could not identify in the short time frame.

User currently offlineparapente From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1548 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1326 times:

Long range "shrinks" don't work do they? The 747 LR shrink did not, not did the 345 or indeed the 772LR. There may be others too.Whilst a different manrket the 318 and 736 proved uneconomic too.It's (very) tricky for them.A plane that is more economic than the 332 but less than the 788/9 ( it appears at present - although the -9 has yet to fly).

One might ask - why did they offer an aircraft that is less economic than it's nearest compeditor (the 787) unless they felt that the additional range/load was of major impotance to enough potental customers.

As others have said. It appears that the long , thin, point to point theory is more of a mirage.(or a small niche market)


User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1324 times:

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 11):
Afriqah has merely revised its fleet plan to recognise that more people will want to visit Libya

I don't think it's about visiting Libya but continuing the original plan to be a north African transfer hub between Europe and the African continent.

The merging of Libyan Airlines and Afriqiyah is very wise and I'm pleased to see them make this order for A350s


User currently onlineplanewasted From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1324 times:

Quoting parapente (Reply 14):

Long range "shrinks" don't work do they?

The A330-200 is a pretty popular shrink.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30524 posts, RR: 84
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1326 times:
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Quoting parapente (Reply 14):
One might ask - why did they offer an aircraft that is less economic than it's nearest compeditor (the 787) unless they felt that the additional range/load was of major impotance to enough potential customers.

I think the extra payload/range is Airbus trying to make the best of the situation they find themselves in with that model.

I am of the opinion that the A350-800 will need to have appreciably lower trip costs compared to the A350-900 in order for it to sell.


User currently offlineredflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4312 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 5):
Why does Afriqiyah want 10 A350s? Seems a bit over the top for an airline who have so far only operated small numbers of widebodies.

With the former ruler tossed into the ash heap of history, the economy should be opening up driving more growth.



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User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9974 posts, RR: 96
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1319 times:
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Quoting parapente (Reply 14):
As others have said. It appears that the long , thin, point to point theory is more of a mirage.(or a small niche market)

You mean the one we were told was the entire raison d'etre for the 787, and the death knell for the A380?     

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User currently offlineRubberJungle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
So that's one customer for the A350-800 having moved away.

Several former A350-800 customers have already switched. Nearly 40% of -800 orders have vanished in the last three years as customers have migrated upwards.


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