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OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7685 posts, RR: 15
Posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

4B EUG-RDD DEC 0.3>0.2

9K SJU-VQS DEC 8>9

AA DFW-ABI MAR 7>8 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
AA DFW-ACT MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
AA DFW-AMA MAR 7>8 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
AA DFW-BRO MAR 2>3 APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
AA DFW-CLL MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
AA DFW-DRO MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2
AA DFW-EVV MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2
AA DFW-GDL MAR 4>5 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
AA DFW-HOU MAR 8>9 APR 8>9 MAY 8>9 JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9
AA DFW-JAN MAR 7>8
AA DFW-LBB MAR 8>9 APR 7>9 MAY 7>9 JUN 7>9 JUL 7>9
AA DFW-LFT MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
AA DFW-MAF MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
AA DFW-MKE MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
AA DFW-RAP MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2
AA DFW-SJT MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
AA DFW-SPS MAR 3>4
AA DFW-TLH MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2
AA DFW-TXK MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
AA DFW-TYR MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
AA DFW-VPS MAR 4>5 APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
AA LAX-FAT APR 4>5 MAY 3>5 JUN 3>5 JUL 3>5
AA LGA-STL JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
AA ORD-PHL JAN 7>6
AA ORD-SJC JAN 2>1.2
AA ORD-STL JAN 8>7

AC ALB-YYZ DEC 1.5>1.3
AC BDL-YYZ DEC 4>3
AC PHX-YYZ DEC 2>1.9

AM BRO-MTY JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.4>0.3
AM FAT-GDL JAN 1.0>0.4 FEB 0.9>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.4 JUL 0.1>0.4
AM ORD-DGO FEB 0.1>0
AM SMF-GDL JAN 1.0>0.5 FEB 0.9>0.4 MAR 0.6>0.4 APR 0.6>0.4 MAY 0.5>0.4

*B6 SJU-PUJ MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>0.6
*B6 SJU-STI MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>0.6

BA EWR-ORY DEC 1.7>1.5

BB STT-EIS FEB 0.4>0 MAR 0.9>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0

BR LAX-TPE APR 1.3>3

CI HNL-TPE FEB 0>0.1

CM MCO-PTY FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4
CM MIA-PTY FEB 5>6

DL BOS-CMH JAN 0.8>1.5
DL CVG-LAS FEB 0.8>0.5
DL CVG-MDT JAN 1.6>0.8 FEB 1.6>0.8 MAR 1.6>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8
DL CVG-MSN MAR 0.8>1.7 APR 0.9>1.7 MAY 0.8>1.7 JUN 0.8>1.7 JUL 0.8>1.7
DL DTW-NGO MAR 0.7>0.8
DL DTW-PEK DEC 1.0>0.8
DL JFK-DKR APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.4>0.5
DL MCO-CUN MAR 0.2>0.3
*DL PDX-NRT APR 1.0>0.7
*DL SFO-NRT APR 1.0>0.7

More DEN reductions...
F9 DEN-DRO MAR 1.0>0.7
F9 DEN-DTW MAR 1.8>0.8 APR 1.8>1.2
F9 DEN-PHF MAY 0.4>0.2
F9 MKE-DEN MAR 3>2.0

LW HGR-IAD DEC 2>4 JAN 2>4 FEB 2>4 MAR 2>4 APR 2>4 MAY 2>4 JUN 2>4 JUL 2>4
LW IAD-LNS DEC 2>5 JAN 2>5 FEB 2>5 MAR 2>5 APR 2>5 MAY 2>5 JUN 2>5 JUL 2>5

NK DEN-FLL JAN 1.0>0.6
NK FLL-LBE JAN 1.0>0.7
NK LBE-MCO JAN 1.0>0.7
NK SAN-SJD JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.9

NZ LAX-AKL JUL 1.7>3
NZ SFO-AKL JUL 0.7>1.0

The MZT stuff is on 737-400s. This is being sold using publiccharters.com. Don't know who the operator is.
P1 DEN-MZT JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3
P1 IAH-MZT JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3
P1 LAX-MZT JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3
P1 MBL-MDW DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 0.7>0
P1 OAK-MZT JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3
P1 SAT-MZT JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.1

S3 MIA-CCS DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4

SY DFW-PVR JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3

UA CLE-CLT MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
UA CLE-FLL APR 1.5>3
UA CLE-PVD APR 3>1.6
UA CLE-RSW APR 1.4>3
UA CLE-TPA APR 1.5>3
Only 1 rt in May for some of the ski cities.
*UA DEN-EGE APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.0
UA DEN-ELP APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
*UA DEN-HDN APR 3>1.5 MAY 2>1.0
UA DEN-MEM APR 1.9>1.3
UA DEN-MFR APR 1.5>1.0
UA DEN-PHX APR 5>6
UA DEN-PSC APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
UA EWR-AUS MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
UA EWR-BNA MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
UA EWR-BTV MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
UA EWR-BUF MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
UA EWR-CHS APR 4>5 MAY 3>5 JUN 3>5 JUL 3>5
UA EWR-DEN APR 6>5
UA EWR-FLL APR 7>8
UA EWR-GRR MAY 1.7>3 JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>3
UA EWR-IND APR 6>7 MAY 5>7 JUN 5>7 JUL 5>7
UA EWR-LAS APR 5>6
UA EWR-MCO APR 9>10
UA EWR-MEM MAY 1.9>3 JUL 1.9>3
UA EWR-MHT APR 4>3
UA EWR-MSP APR 6>5
UA EWR-MSY APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
UA EWR-PBI APR 7>8
UA EWR-PVD APR 4>3
UA EWR-PWM MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
UA EWR-RSW APR 4>6
UA IAD-PVD APR 3>4 MAY 2>4 JUN 2>4 JUL 2>4
UA IAD-ROA APR 2>3
UA IAD-SAV APR 3>4
UA IAH-MCI APR 8>7
UA IAH-MEX FEB 9>8
UA IAH-RDU APR 5>4
UA LAX-ABQ APR 1.0>1.7
UA LAX-EWR APR 8>7
UA LAX-PSP APR 5>6
UA LAX-SAN APR 13>14
UA ORD-ALB APR 4>3
UA ORD-CHS APR 4>5
UA ORD-CID APR 6>5
UA ORD-SAN APR 5>3
UA ORD-SEA APR 6>4
UA SFO-ACV APR 8>6
UA SFO-CLE APR 1.7>1.0
UA SFO-COS MAR 1.0>0.7
UA SFO-DEN APR 9>10
UA SFO-LAS APR 10>9
UA SFO-MFR APR 7>6
UA SFO-ORD APR 14>13
UA SFO-SEA APR 9>7
UA SFO-SNA APR 7>8
UA SFO-TUS APR 1.3>2

Not surprising. I assume this is the last flight?
*US BOS-LGA JAN 12>11 FEB 14>13
US BOS-SYR MAR 3>1.6 APR 3>1.8 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.6 JUL 3>1.8
US CLT-ATL APR 8>9 MAY 8>9 JUL 8>9
US CLT-CAK MAR 5>6 APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
US CLT-CLE APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
US CLT-GPT MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
US CLT-HHH MAR 8>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7 JUN 8>7 JUL 8>7
US CLT-IAD APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUL 7>8
US CLT-IAH APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUL 7>8
US CLT-JAX APR 7>8
US CLT-LGA MAR 14>13 APR 14>13 MAY 14>13 JUN 14>13 JUL 14>13
US CLT-MSP APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
US CLT-MSY APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
US CLT-MYR MAR 8>9 APR 7>9 MAY 7>9 JUN 7>9 JUL 7>9
US CLT-ROA MAR 8>9 APR 8>9 MAY 8>9 JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9
US CLT-SDF MAR 7>8 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
US CLT-SRQ MAY 4>3 JUN 4>2 JUL 4>2
US CLT-YUL MAR 2.0>1.8 APR 2>1.9 MAY 2>1.9 JUN 2>1.8 JUL 2>1.9
US DCA-BNA MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
US DCA-CHS APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUL 4>5
US DCA-CLT MAR 12>11 APR 12>11 MAY 12>11 JUN 12>11 JUL 12>11
US DCA-DTW MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
US DCA-GSO MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
US DCA-GSP MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*US DCA-ILM MAR 0.4>1.2 APR 0.3>1.1 MAY 0.3>1.1 JUN 0.3>1.2 JUL 0.3>1.1
US DCA-MCO MAR 8>7 JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6
US DCA-MYR MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.5>0.3 JUL 0.4>0.3
US DCA-ORF MAR 3>5 APR 3>5 MAY 3>5 JUN 3>5 JUL 3>5
US DCA-PBI APR 4>5 MAY 3>5 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
US DCA-PIT APR 6>5 MAY 6>5 JUL 6>5
US DCA-PWM MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
US DCA-RDU MAR 8>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7 JUN 8>7 JUL 8>7
US DCA-RSW MAR 4>3
US DCA-SAV MAR 1.4>3 APR 1.3>3 MAY 1.3>3 JUN 1.3>3 JUL 1.3>3
US DCA-YOW MAR 2.0>1.7 APR 2>1.7 MAY 2>1.7 JUN 2>1.7 JUL 2>1.7
US PHL-BDL APR 8>7 MAY 8>7 JUL 8>7
US PHL-BUF APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
US PHL-CLT MAR 11>10 APR 11>10 MAY 11>10 JUL 11>10
US PHL-ELM MAR 5>4 APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
US PHL-ERI MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUL 3>4
US PHL-EWR MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
US PHL-GSO MAR 6>5 APR 6>5 MAY 6>5 JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5
US PHL-ITH APR 4>5 MAY 4>6 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
US PHL-LAX MAR 7>6
This market really needed a 13th trip. :p
*US PHL-LGA MAR 12>13 APR 12>13 MAY 12>13 JUN 12>13 JUL 12>13
US PHL-MDT MAR 8>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7 JUN 8>7 JUL 8>7
US PHL-MKE MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
US PHL-MSY APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
US PHL-MYR MAR 0.3>0.2 APR 0.3>0.1 MAY 0.3>0.1 JUN 0.3>0.2 JUL 0.3>0.1
US PHL-ORF MAR 7>8 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
US PHL-PIT MAR 8>9 APR 8>9 MAY 8>9 JUL 8>9
US PHL-PVD MAR 8>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7 JUL 8>7
US PHL-RDU MAR 9>7 APR 9>7 MAY 9>7 JUN 9>7 JUL 9>7
US PHL-ROA MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
US PHL-ROC MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
US PHL-YOW MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
US PHX-FLG MAR 8>5 APR 7>5 MAY 8>5 JUN 8>6 JUL 8>6
US PHX-LAX MAR 9>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7 JUN 9>7 JUL 9>7
US PHX-MCO MAR 3>4
US PHX-OMA MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
US PHX-TUS MAR 11>10 APR 11>10 MAY 11>10 JUN 11>10 JUL 11>10

VB SAT-MTY FEB 0.4>0.3

WS ORD-YVR MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WS ORD-YYC MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0

YV HNL-ITO DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
YV HNL-KOA DEC 6>7 JAN 6>7 FEB 6>7 MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
YV HNL-LIH DEC 7>6 JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6 MAR 7>6 APR 7>6 MAY 7>6 JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6
YV ITO-HNL DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
YV KOA-HNL DEC 6>7 JAN 6>7 FEB 6>7 MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
YV LIH-HNL DEC 7>6 JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6 MAR 7>6 APR 7>6 MAY 7>6 JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6
YV

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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7685 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

YV LIH-OGG DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0
YV OGG-LIH DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7685 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
The MZT stuff is on 737-400s. This is being sold using publiccharters.com. Don't know who the operator is.
P1 DEN-MZT JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3
P1 IAH-MZT JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3
P1 LAX-MZT JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3
P1 MBL-MDW DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 0.7>0
P1 OAK-MZT JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3
P1 SAT-MZT JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.1
Cal Jet Air (Minneapolis and San Diego) is a new public charter company like the previous Direct Air (Myrtle Beach). The company is planning to operate charter flights to Mazatlan, Mexico from Houston, San Antonio, Denver, Los Angeles and Oakland.

Cal Jet Air’s flight will be operated by Xtra Airways (Boise), which is a U.S. Air Carrier, who provides public charter air flights. Xtra Airways use to operate for Direct Air. Cal Jet Air offers all-inclusive vacations, golf and entertainment packages.

According to the company, Cal Jet Air is privately owned and managed by a core management team consisting of five experienced men and women. Together they have more than 100 combined years of extensive experience in tour operations and packaging; aviation charters and services; finance; marketing; technology; and, general management in the tour operator aviation industry. The management team has extensive knowledge in both domestic and international operations.


http://worldairlinenews.com/2012/11/...io-denver-los-angeles-and-oakland/


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
4B EUG-RDD DEC 0.3>0.2

Anybody have information on this operation? Aircraft type, other cities served, carrier name, how long this has been around? Info is appreciated.



AA AC AQ AS BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OO OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WC WN
User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2341 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA DEN-ELP APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4

Since base realignment, business has been booming in El Paso. And both ELP-DEN and ELP-IAH are getting lots are CR7s mixed in with the E145s

With frequency over size, the days of only one 735 a day connecting at IAH are gone.


User currently onlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 2000 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL CVG-MDT JAN 1.6>0.8 FEB 1.6>0.8 MAR 1.6>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8
DL CVG-MSN MAR 0.8>1.7 APR 0.9>1.7 MAY 0.8>1.7 JUN 0.8>1.7 JUL 0.8>1.7

Bizarre, what's the point? Just seems like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic  duck 

[Edited 2012-11-12 10:14:15]

User currently offlinekcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3847 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
NK LBE-MCO JAN 1.0>0.7

I wonder where that aircraft goes the two days It's not flying that route.


User currently onlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1516 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA LGA-STL JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3

Hmmm... giving more way to WN.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 MKE-DEN MAR 3>2.0

I wonder if they will leave eventually.



"When everything seems to be going against you, remember that the airplane takes off against the wind, not with it."- HF
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7685 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
4B EUG-RDD DEC 0.3>0.2

Anybody have information on this operation? Aircraft type, other cities served, carrier name, how long this has been around? Info is appreciated.

Type = "CNA" Cessna (Various)

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 5):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL CVG-MDT JAN 1.6>0.8 FEB 1.6>0.8 MAR 1.6>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8
DL CVG-MSN MAR 0.8>1.7 APR 0.9>1.7 MAY 0.8>1.7 JUN 0.8>1.7 JUL 0.8>1.7

Bizarre, what's the point?

I assume one is doing better than the other.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 7):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 MKE-DEN MAR 3>2.0

I wonder if they will leave eventually.

I predicted that a while back.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA ORD-SJC JAN 2>1.2

UA already dropped ORD-SJC and now AA is cutting back to the bone. I think it's time for AS to open up this route, along with SJC-BOS and a few other strategic SJC routes.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 8):
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 3):Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
4B EUG-RDD DEC 0.3>0.2

Anybody have information on this operation? Aircraft type, other cities served, carrier name, how long this has been around? Info is appreciated.
Type = "CNA" Cessna (Various)

Do you know the carriers name? It's not someone that I'm familiar with....Thanks!



AA AC AQ AS BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OO OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WC WN
User currently offlinekcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3847 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
UA already dropped ORD-SJC and now AA is cutting back to the bone. I think it's time for AS to open up this route, along with SJC-BOS and a few other strategic SJC routes.

AS should hop on a route with no connections that two other airlines can't make work to their hub? Common sense says that doesn't work out but I'm open to explanation


User currently offlineclrd4t8koff From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-TLH MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2

Interesting timing - I just had a thread going on this and was curious if they were going to be upping the frequency. Now I have my answer. Was pretty sure this route was a contender for increased frequency.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 11):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
UA already dropped ORD-SJC and now AA is cutting back to the bone. I think it's time for AS to open up this route, along with SJC-BOS and a few other strategic SJC routes.

AS should hop on a route with no connections that two other airlines can't make work to their hub? Common sense says that doesn't work out but I'm open to explanation

AA dropped ORD-PDX and it works just fine for AS. AA dropped SJC-HNL and OGG and both routes work fine for AS and HA. AA dropped SJC-NRT and NH is resuming it up. AA dropped SEA-STL and the short lived AUS and they work well for AS. AA dropped SEA-BOS and it works well for AS.

Are you seeing a pattern here? Just because AA drops or cut backs a route doesn't mean a better run airline like AS can't make it work.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7685 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 10):
o you know the carriers name? It's not someone that I'm familiar with....Thanks!
http://info.flightmapper.net/flight/Boutique_Air_4B_1016

Boutique Air. Looks like a Cessna 402 possibly.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):
AA dropped ORD-PDX and it works just fine for AS. AA dropped SJC-HNL and OGG and both routes work fine for AS and HA. AA dropped SJC-NRT and NH is resuming it up. AA dropped SEA-STL and the short lived AUS and they work well for AS. AA dropped SEA-BOS and it works well for AS.

IIRC, some to many of the flights you mentioned were dropped by AA when they dropped their NRT services to SEA & SJC



AA AC AQ AS BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OO OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WC WN
User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 10):o you know the carriers name? It's not someone that I'm familiar with....Thanks!http://info.flightmapper.net/flight/Boutique_Air_4B_1016

Boutique Air. Looks like a Cessna 402 possibly.

Thanks, guess I missed this thread Boutique Air – New California Commuter (by LAXintl Jul 6 2012 in Civil Aviation)



AA AC AQ AS BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OO OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WC WN
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5594 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
UA already dropped ORD-SJC and now AA is cutting back to the bone. I think it's time for AS to open up this route, along with SJC-BOS and a few other strategic SJC routes.
Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 11):
AS should hop on a route with no connections that two other airlines can't make work to their hub? Common sense says that doesn't work out but I'm open to explanation.

   There might just be a reason (like decreasing traffic?) that AA is reducing capacity... (They are only offering 5 daily trips to DFW on the current schedule so things overall don't look real healthy there.)

It's possible that AS could make it work but, as kcrw' said, it would be based only on O&D traffic (at the ORD-end anyway) and I'd bet they would look at it VERY closely before jumping in. I don't know what the DOT O&D figures are for the market but that might be a good place to get an idea of the chances of it happening.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):
AA dropped ORD-PDX and it works just fine for AS. AA dropped SJC-HNL and OGG and both routes work fine for AS and HA. AA dropped SJC-NRT and NH is resuming it up. AA dropped SEA-STL and the short lived AUS and they work well for AS. AA dropped SEA-BOS and it works well for AS

Most of these routes you mention involve SEA and PDX which are AS hubs and can provide traffic beyond just O&D. Totally different than SJC. And I think we need to wait a while and see how the Tokyo flight does from SJC.

bb


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA LAX-FAT APR 4>5 MAY 3>5 JUN 3>5 JUL 3>5

Still leaves the earliest FAT-LAX departure as 8am, so no early connections outbound. Also leaves the latest LAX-FAT as 8pm. Makes it harder to get some of the preferred connections at LAX.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AM FAT-GDL JAN 1.0>0.4 FEB 0.9>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.4 JUL 0.1>0.4

First of the summer schedule changes. Probably more to come based on AMs past schedules.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 10):
Quoting enilria (Reply 8):Quoting RWA380 (Reply 3):Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
4B EUG-RDD DEC 0.3>0.2

Anybody have information on this operation? Aircraft type, other cities served, carrier name, how long this has been around? Info is appreciated.
Type = "CNA" Cessna (Various)
Do you know the carriers name? It's not someone that I'm familiar with....Thanks!

Looks like it is Boutique Air. They've been showing lately in RDD's info at FlightStats as operating to EUG using a CNA.

Here is the release from ARC saying they would show as code 4B.
http://www.arccorp.com/news/an20120227.jsp

The old thread about the company is here:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/5506374/



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7959 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL PDX-NRT APR 1.0>0.7
*DL SFO-NRT APR 1.0>0.7

Hm Why is this surprising? I think DL is trying to organize their NRT routes to other places, or the KE J.v. is starting to come online.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
This market really needed a 13th trip. :p
*US PHL-LGA MAR 12>13 APR 12>13 MAY 12>13 JUN 12>13 JUL 12>13

Oversaturation at it's finest. What's the largest a/c to fly this route?

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 5):
Bizarre, what's the point? Just seems like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic   

Maybe just money changing hands, or something going on w/ o&d values. Nice to see service being ADDED for once though   



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User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2012 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA DEN-HDN APR 3>1.5 MAY 2>1.0

What is interesting about this? Airlines always cut service back at Hayden (Steamboat Springs, the Yampa Valley Airport) after the ski season.


User currently offlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 5):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):DL CVG-MDT JAN 1.6>0.8 FEB 1.6>0.8 MAR 1.6>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8
DL CVG-MSN MAR 0.8>1.7 APR 0.9>1.7 MAY 0.8>1.7 JUN 0.8>1.7 JUL 0.8>1.7
Bizarre, what's the point? Just seems like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic

I would guess that the added flight at MSN is part of DL's continued effort to win market share in Wisconsin as F9 (and FL) fades out in MKE.



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 17):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):
AA dropped ORD-PDX and it works just fine for AS. AA dropped SJC-HNL and OGG and both routes work fine for AS and HA. AA dropped SJC-NRT and NH is resuming it up. AA dropped SEA-STL and the short lived AUS and they work well for AS. AA dropped SEA-BOS and it works well for AS

Most of these routes you mention involve SEA and PDX which are AS hubs and can provide traffic beyond just O&D. Totally different than SJC. And I think we need to wait a while and see how the Tokyo flight does from SJC.

Not quite. AA discontinued SEA-MIA the same day as SEA-NRT in about January 2002 because that was a through flight with change of guage in SEA. BOS, STL and AUS (which was shortlived) were all discontinued from SEA much more recently.

AA discontinued SJC-NRT in about October 2006. AUS, BOS and LAS were at various times through-routed with NRT-SJC with a change of guage at SJC. There we discontinued at different times than NRT, from SJC though.

I'll bet SJC-NRT does well. It used to do very well until AA gave up on SJC. I flew it several times and it was always very full, and premium class was full too. (Yeah, I know it is oft stated that full flights aren't necessarily profitable, but the route always did seem very popular and had no trouble filling a 777).

NH wouldn't have been my first guess as to who SJC would talk into resuming NRT - I might have guessed DL or JL first - but I'm delighted. I personally think NH is a far better carrier in a lot of ways than certain other carriers based in similar locations (without mentioning names ) - they are certainly great to work with.  


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5594 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 22):
Not quite.

Huh? What do you mean "not quite"? You said:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):
AA dropped ORD-PDX and it works just fine for AS. AA dropped SJC-HNL and OGG and both routes work fine for AS and HA. AA dropped SJC-NRT and NH is resuming it up. AA dropped SEA-STL and the short lived AUS and they work well for AS. AA dropped SEA-BOS and it works well for AS.

And I responded:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 17):
Most of these routes you mention involve SEA and PDX which are AS hubs and can provide traffic beyond just O&D. Totally different than SJC. And I think we need to wait a while and see how the Tokyo flight does from SJC.

And you start talking about AA's abandonded SJC hub...?

And btw, I looked up the DOT figures for O&D traffic SJC-ORD for 1Q2012 and the PDEW was 73. (And SJC-BOS was 75!) How close do you think AS is to starting either of those routes?

bb


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 23):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 22):
Not quite.

Huh? What do you mean "not quite"? You said:

I meant not quite in regards to Hughes Airwest A380's comment. I might have quoted the wrong thing that I was responding to.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 15):
IIRC, some to many of the flights you mentioned were dropped by AA when they dropped their NRT services to SEA & SJC


25 Post contains images SANFan : Ahhhh, now that makes a lot more sense. bb
26 CIDFlyer : I was thinking the same...interesting none the less....does MSN send a lot of traffic through CVG? or is there some sort of business connection there
27 crj900lr : US 3218 is an E-175 13:55 Dept US 3338 is an E-170 16:00 Dept
28 crAAzy : A capacity increase for AA on the DFW-MKE route as we keep our early morning and early evening MD80 flights along with the 2 ER4 flights and now an a
29 PSU.DTW.SCE : This has nothing to do with any of that, as it is simply an extension of the seasonal schedule where PDX & SFO service to NRT is flown at 5x per
30 enilria : Somebody else answered, but even with a tinier portfolio of slots, they still have enough for this garbage. 1RT seemed light to me. In April 2012 the
31 fun2fly : That's an interesting point...why not 9x on larger a/c and 2x to two new destinations? I know NYC is a frequency market, but 9 or 13 who cares.
32 NWAESC : ...All the more interesting considering it goes from 1 CRJ-200/day to 1 CRJ-700 & 1 CRJ-200... The current LF's are healthy on CVG, but of course
33 enilria : Parker hates NYC based on its years of losses. They are just hiding slots like they always have. You are seeing them trim frequency on the LGA-BOS le
34 airliner371 : WN has been expanding in NYC recently. I wouldn't be surprised to see US give WN slots.
35 MasseyBrown : The cuts to PVD by UA (CLE and EWR) and US (PHL) point out the continuing decline of pax counts at Boston's satellite airports. Since 2005, pax number
36 AAtakeMeAway : What's UA's mix of aircraft and routes at ELP nowadays? Any mainline to IAH? I grew up in ELP and try to keep up with their changes...
37 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Out of ELP -- to the east and north -- AA Delta, and WN are the only mainline carriers. UA, on the other hand, flies CR7s to ORD and a mix of CR2s, C
38 AAtakeMeAway : Whoa! Awesome pic! Bummer there's no more mainline to IAH on UA ... that was the remaining mainline (besides WN and AA) since HP pulled mainline out
39 kgaiflyer : As far as I know, the ELP A gates have all been renumbered. A-1 and A-2 are AA gates. But A-3 and A-4 (the one in the picture) are now common use gat
40 SurfandSnow : And so the B6 SJU hub expansion continues, with even more intra-Caribbean service. I wonder if there are other viable Caribbean markets from SJU - BG
41 airliner371 : B6 barely serves BWI. They are almost nothing to BWI. Most that travel on B6 to BWI are probably from Boston. I would be surprised to see this.
42 enilria : If AA/US merge I think WN will be shut-out and the only player will be B6 because it's the way OW gets B6 into the alliance. Absent that deal, US cou
43 airliner371 : OW won't waste their time trying to persuade B6 to join because they know that they won't. Its not in the best interest for B6 and B6 knows it.
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