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Ryanair Due To Start New Base [Nuremberg,DE]  
User currently offlineCarmelo From Hungary, joined Sep 2005, 123 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

According to aero.de the airport of Nuremberg (germany) will announce tomorrow it's new Ryanair destination.
From summer 2013 Ryanair will serve 6 destinations (Malaga, Alicante, Pisa, Caligiari, Porto and London Stansted).
After AB withdrawn some routes recently the new routes are a good addition IMO.


Carmelo
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User currently offlinekl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

Quoting Carmelo (Thread starter):
(Malaga, Alicante, Pisa, Caligiari, Porto and London Stansted

Great, all the usuall destinations, although Porto is not that common to have when just starting a new base I guess.



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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

Are they selling it as Munich North (Nuremberg)?


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User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 1):
Great, all the usuall destinations, although Porto is not that common to have when just starting a new base I guess.

Big Portuguese community in that part of Germany, also a business route as OPO is surrounded by factories of all sorts! Very industrial city actually.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 2):
Are they selling it as Munich North (Nuremberg)?

could be and as Hamburg South as well!



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User currently offlinerlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1075 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

Prague West.




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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8697 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

Sad news... to the bottom we race, faster and faster every day... well, some of us, anyway.

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 5):
Prague West.

That's what I thought!   



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User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 946 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

I thought FR hated Germany for some additional fees that have to be added to each ticket? Didn't they cancel most of their Hahn and Bremen routes in protest?

User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4161 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

Quoting WROORD (Reply 7):
I thought FR hated Germany for some additional fees that have to be added to each ticket? Didn't they cancel most of their Hahn and Bremen routes in protest?

FR only hate places so long as they can get away with hating them.

Eg, the spat with Manchester airport where they "pulled out", (but kept their route to DUB, which was apparently immune from MAN's high charges!)

If it suits FR strategically to enter a market which they have previously slated for "high charges" or whatever else, they will do so.



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User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 850 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

Quoting WROORD (Reply 7):

It seems that they are actually taking over Germany now. I guess with the European crisis Germans are willing to save some €s and fly to Majorca or Barcelona in Ryanair instead. And airports with fewer customers more willing to attract new airliners, even if it is Ryanair.

FR used to have a "low-profile" in the country, flying to very secondary airports (nothing comparable to the UK, Spain, Italy or to a lesser extent France). But they started routes to CGN (which is a major airport with excellent rail links in that area of Germany - not your average Ryanair airport -) a few months ago, and they are planning to add more. And also they recently started flying from Dortmund (after easyJet almost left).

I wonder if we could see FR in some "medium" airports such as HAM, HAJ or STR.


User currently offlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 9):
It seems that they are actually taking over Germany now ... I wonder if we could see FR in some "medium" airports such as HAM, HAJ or STR.

Actually, you may be on to something: Ryanair has scheduled press conferences at no less than three German airports on Tuesday: Nuremberg, Leipzig and Cologne.


User currently offlineDouglasDC10 From Germany, joined Feb 2000, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 9):
I wonder if we could see FR in some "medium" airports such as HAM, HAJ or STR.

Can't see them doing their famous 25 minute turnarounds in HAM. 4U and U2 are struggling with ground times in HAM and beside that, there are no parking positions where passengers can board coming directly from the terminal using both doors. The alternative, using remote positions, is not the best solution in Hamburg as passengers buses get often stuck waiting for aircraft to pass. This situation is unfortunately caused by the rather small size of the apron in relation to the traffic they handle.

HAJ would be something different. I remember FR being interested in setting up a base there in the mid-2000s, but they airport backed down after HF/X3 and AB threatened to remove some operations, if FR comes. A couple of years later, the Bremen base was opened. Still HAJ offers good possibilities. FR could get lower charges at terminal D which is usually only used for RAF charters or as a backup. Also, X3 and AB aren't in the strong position anymore they were by then.

Can't say anything about STR unfortunately. What about FMO, PAD or DRS maybe?


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9170 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

HAM extends the apron by tearing down the cargo centre completely and building new gates on the fliüp side of the pier. I doubt that they will waste this valuable space for FR. HAM is approaching the 15 million mark and there is always Hamburg Northeast also called Luebeck. If that's not enough they might take a second look at Schwerin Parchim.

FMO would cannibalise BRE and DTM, same goes for PAD. DRS does not have the hinterland.



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User currently offlineDouglasDC10 From Germany, joined Feb 2000, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 12):
HAM extends the apron by tearing down the cargo centre completely and building new gates on the fliüp side of the pier.

Do you know if there's already something fixed on that? I know about this plan since the opening of the south side of the pier somewhen in the early 2000s, but the cargo centre is still there. Nevertheless, you are right. There are a lot of factors speaking against Hamburg and I would rather like to see FR developing and indeed saving LBC from closure than coming to HAM.

I personally think that FMO/PAD would be a bigger threat for the new DTM operations than for BRE. Beside the Hannover area, BRE gets a lot of passengers from the area west to it (Oldenburg and beyond, including the Dutch provinces of Groningen and Drenthe) as well as Hamburg where it indeed cannibalized the LBC operations.

Oh, and there is another reason for HAJ. No night curfew.

Anyway, good luck to FR for their new NUE base, hope that more will follow.


User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

Quoting DouglasDC10 (Reply 11):
Can't say anything about STR unfortunately.

I see two problems for Ryanair at STR.

First, it has a massive Germanwings presence, second only to CGN.

Secondly, STR has a similar problem to HAM in that the apron space at the airport is limited and already fairly busy. There is more slack than at HAM, but not a lot.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9170 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

Quoting DouglasDC10 (Reply 13):
Do you know if there's already something fixed on that?

It is in the planning, they want to get cargo completely off airport. It was always a step child for Hamburg Airport. They never really liked it I worked there in the late 60s and 70s, the buildings are paid 10 times at least with rent s DM 30,00 per sq meter even in 1970s. On top of that, they even wanted to keep forwarders from trucking direct from customers warehouse to FRA or LUX. State owned, their philosophy was that they "own" the cargo generated in HAM and even for such direct routings they could collect the mandatory trucking fee of - I believe it ws DM 0,10 per kilo). The mob could have learned from that racket, but they did not get away with it. Fortunately.

Forwarders are better off at Weg Beim Jaeger or in the developments at Norderstedt.

If HAM would ever get FR it would have to be in a separate terminal like they did with the charter terminal in the 80s, which used to be an aircraft hangar before that.

Quoting DouglasDC10 (Reply 13):
I personally think that FMO/PAD would be a bigger threat for the new DTM operations than for BRE.

the biggst threat for DTM are their own ops hours. 6 am to 10 pm is not workable for aircraft based.



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User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2587 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 2):
Are they selling it as Munich North (Nuremberg)?

NUE is an important metropolitan area in its own right, no need to do that.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 9):

I wonder if we could see FR in some "medium" airports such as HAM, HAJ or STR.

HAM no for the reasons stated by others - space is at a premium there, and HAM is in a position to charge for that premium, likely much more than FR is willing to pay. Even U2 only has a very timid presence there. I am surprised though that LBC is not further developed, as it is well located in the region. Maybe the short rwy doesn't help.

For HAJ I see potential. STR not so.

Quoting DouglasDC10 (Reply 13):
HAM extends the apron by tearing down the cargo centre completely and building new gates on the fliüp side of the pier.

Do you know if there's already something fixed on that? I know about this plan since the opening of the south side of the pier somewhen in the early 2000s, but the cargo centre is still there.

Latest news is it is planned after 2015 (too late IMO), and will add 6 gate positions:
http://www.airliners.de/verkehr/infr...tur/hamburg-plant-neue-gates/28366

Quoting DouglasDC10 (Reply 13):
I would rather like to see FR developing and indeed saving LBC from closure than coming to HAM.

Agree - LBC needs to be maintained as it can play an essential role as a HAM reliever in a few years. I really hope that the airport finds new life.


User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 16):

NUE is an important metropolitan area in its own right, no need to do that.

I know, I have been there many times. I was joking, based on Ryanair's previous track record.

And it seems some others got the joke:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 4):
could be and as Hamburg South as well!
Quoting rlwynn (Reply 5):
Prague West.

I'll add a smiley next time though.



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User currently offlineBommerJan From UK - England, joined Dec 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 9):
It seems that they are actually taking over Germany now. I guess with the European crisis Germans are willing to save some €s and fly to Majorca or Barcelona in Ryanair instead. And airports with fewer customers more willing to attract new airliners, even if it is Ryanair.

There is no crisis in Germany..... record high employment, record low unemployment in the last 20 years, record tax volume....


User currently offlinekl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1931 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 6):
Sad news... to the bottom we race, faster and faster every day... well, some of us, anyway.
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 9):
I guess with the European crisis Germans are willing to save some €s and fly to Majorca or Barcelona in Ryanair instead. And airports with fewer customers more willing to attract new airliners, even if it is Ryanair.

Why so negative? Ryanair offers 30" seatpitch compared to 28/29" used by most European charter companies. So for leisure destinations it is actually a good choice. Plus the added benefit of departing from the region where people live instead having to travel all the way to a capital or other metropole for your departure.

Some people here are still thinking business, not leisure, when discussing Ryanair. But I never hear anyone about UK charters like Monarch with their 28" seatpitch.



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User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1928 times:

It just so happens, that people on aviation boards like to bash FR for one reason or other.

I, on the other hand, love them. Yep, the experience might not be anything to write home about, but I am getting my moneys worth several times over. Consider this, I both two return tickets from BUD to CRL, for a grand total of... 536 HUF. That is, to be precise, 1.93 euro. The cost to get from train station to the airport will be higher, at 600HUF.

I am not saying no to that, and if they lose money on me - well it is their game.

(For the record, I have no problem spending 100 euros on a ticket. The difference is, I can travel three times as much when travelling with Ryanair. And that is worth it.)



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User currently offlinelhrnue From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1928 times:

My username gives it away, I am interested in connections between Nuernberg and London ... although I still have the dream to get a direct BA or AB connection to the London's hub airport, like FRA, MUC, AMS or CDG.

With the weakness of Air Berlin and the reduction of flights, I thought already a couple of month ago that Nuernberg (sitting between FRA and MUC), must be an attractive location for Ryanair. Not to forget the excellent and fast train connection to Munich city centre. Frankfurt is not to bad either.
Furthermore Nuremberg airport struggles and is desperate for additional passengers. I guess Ryanair got good rates in NUE.


User currently offlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1928 times:

The news did indeed break today:

NUE: Stansted daily; Alicante, Malaga, Pisa, Cagliari, Porto weekly each. Total of 12 departures per week.

LEJ: Faro and Pisa twice weekly each. Existing routes: Stansted x5/week, Malaga x1/week, Rome x3/week, Trapani (did not find any available flights for TPS, though. So, for now, 13 departures per week.

CGN: Faro (x4/week), Malaga (x4/week). Existing routes: Palma (Majorca) daily, Girona (x6/week). So far, 21 departure per week. However, several press releases have stated there will be 24 weekly departures. It is expected that FR will announce yet another route in the near future.


User currently offlinepurplebox From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1927 times:

Does anybody know what the NUE-STN times will be?


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User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2587 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1925 times:

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 17):
I was joking, based on Ryanair's previous track record.

   Sorry, but given the amount of FR bashing in most of these threads, my first assumption was obviously on the negative side.

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 17):
I'll add a smiley next time though.

that will surely help  


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