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Pilot Shortage In The US - WSJ Article  
User currently offlineVS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

The topic of a forthcoming pilot shortage in the US comes up again - this time in the WSJ:

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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5528 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

Try this link.

User currently offlineVS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

Here is the link:

User currently offlineVS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 1):
Try this link.

Thank you! Tried several times..not sure what was going on.


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5528 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

WSJ stories can't be directly linked because they will end up behind the paywall. To link to a WSJ story you need to find a Google referrer link for it.

User currently offlineVS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2809 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 4):
WSJ stories can't be directly linked because they will end up behind the paywall. To link to a WSJ story you need to find a Google referrer link for it.

Got it. Thanks again!


User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4405 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2813 times:
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Well, when you barely get paid pay enough to get by in a large city, people aren't going to be as inclined to become a pilot especially with the stricter requirements and higher costs than ever, simple as that. If they are serious about needing more pilots, an airline sponsorship and/or higher starting pay will solve the problem.

[Edited 2012-11-12 16:05:46]


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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2800 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2808 times:
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Pretty interesting insight. They mentioned Kent Lovelace from the University of North Dakota and as a student I can give a little bit more to what he's saying. We have a UAS program up here and that seems to be where a lot of the students are headed. I've heard more about the need for pilots in that field than in commercial aviation. Not to mention the starting pay is a lot better. It should be interesting to see if any of the financial support comes to happen. I know a lot of kids up here who pay for their flight fees themselves as many people do, but can't get federal loans or get very little because of their parent's financial situation. I think if low interest government loans are offerred that could help a lot of kids who were scared away due to money. I know it would help me a ton. The interest rates on private loans are terrible.
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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1535 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2809 times:

Republic has been offering a hiring bonus for a while and now we're planning to offer $5000 here at Eagle as well, though many are upset because it circumvents our contract and we just passed a new concessionary contract, but that's for another discussion.  

User currently offlineindiansbucs From Costa Rica, joined May 2007, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

I would like to make emphasys on this quote from the article:

"Tim Brady, dean of the school's Florida college of aviation, warned that expanding the pipeline of pilots "is not a future problem; it is upon us now." Some proponents want to see low-interest loans or various other federal subsidies go to fledgling aviators at flight schools or academic institutions. Others advocate scholarships or loan guarantees provided by prospective employers. "We're going to have to do something unique" to find answers, John Allen, a senior Federal Aviation Administration official, told a training conference in Washington over the summer. Without swift, coordinated action, he told another industry gathering, "by the time big airlines feel [a shortage], the need will be critical."

Actually... there is no incentive from any US airline to promote the pilot career, not even if they have the pilots doing other jobs like ACS or anything else (like it happens to me). All my studies and flying hours i have accomplished it because of personal efforts, and there isnt any light at the end that would tell me that the airline is willing to recruit me soon. But at the pace the industry has... i hope that will change sooner than later...


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7187 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

It might actually happen due to what a low payIng low security job it has become. That being said I was hearing about a pilot shortage 8 years ago and besides for a brief hiring at the regionals a few years ago I have yet to see it. It is nice to see the legacies hiring a bit more again though. Who knows. But as long as training cost are high and starting pay is low I can see why a pilot shortage might happen.


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User currently offlineindiansbucs From Costa Rica, joined May 2007, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

There is a phrase in spanish that says: "Cuando el rio suena, es porque piedras trae". It means that if you hear the river from far away... it will definitively bring rocks.

I know the pilot shortage has been a topic of discussion for quite some time... but it will eventually come.

Quoting indiansbucs (Reply 9):
"Tim Brady, dean of the school's Florida college of aviation, warned that expanding the pipeline of pilots "is not a future problem; it is upon us now."

Now we can see... 1) The drain at the top with the retiring of pilots (which is quite a lot). 2) Bringing the requirements up will make life harder for younger pilots and for airlines to get them onboard to replace the older pilots. 3) The low salaries currently offered which make people to think it twice to become a career pilot.

These big issues will lead eventually to:

Quoting indiansbucs (Reply 9):
"We're going to have to do something unique" to find answers, John Allen, a senior Federal Aviation Administration official, told a training conference in Washington over the summer.

and of course:

Quoting indiansbucs (Reply 9):
Without swift, coordinated action, he told another industry gathering, "by the time big airlines feel [a shortage], the need will be critical."


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7639 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

I'm beginning to regret being a FLA Japanese language student at my university instead of to flight school....but then again what kind of job could I get in 2 or 3 years from now? It says there is a shortage, but for what airlines/services/aircraft?


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User currently offlinecontrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

This news didn't really surprise me. I've been expecting this sort of thing to develop eventually. People used to flying where they want when they want should start considering alternatives.

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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7919 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

They've got me sold. I still hope they're hiring a lot of pilots in 2021... I'll be ready about then. Hope that's not too late  


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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5625 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 12):
what kind of job could I get in 2 or 3 years from now? It says there is a shortage, but for what airlines/services/aircraft?

And herein lies the problem. The majors are probably not too concerned, they can draw upon the endless pool of regional pilots out there.

Where this is going to bite hardest is at the bottom of the pile. It is the regionals who are going to suffer recruitment problems as more and more people are drawn up to the majors, yet they operate on razor thin margins and certainly aren't in a position to start funding cadetships like the LH suggestion in the article above.

To answer your question, PHX787, you would be flying ERJ and CRJs for ExpressJet or Chautauqua. Sounds attractive, right?



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User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3414 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 12):

I'm beginning to regret being a FLA Japanese language student at my university instead of to flight school....but then again what kind of job could I get in 2 or 3 years from now?

The major airlines will be able to pull from the thousands of well qualified regional pilots. The regional airlines will probably be the only ones who have any trouble finding qualified applicants (especially with the new experience requirements).



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User currently offlineaviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1355 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 15):
And herein lies the problem. The majors are probably not too concerned, they can draw upon the endless pool of regional pilots out there.



Exactly (and that's almost a verbatim line from the new version of my book).

The idea that airlines face an "acute shortage of pilots" is both true and untrue.

Will there be a "pilot shortage"? That depends very much on which sector of the airline industry you're talking about.

The major carriers will ALWAYS have a surplus of highly qualified candidates to choose from, coming from the regionals and the military.

At the moment there are something like 2,000 pilots still furloughed from the US majors, some of whom have been laid off for ten years or more. A good friend of mine, who had worked for TWA and American, recently took a job flying in Dubai because decent US flying jobs are so scarce.

Shortage?

At the regionals it's a slightly different story. It much depends on how the FAA and carriers interpret the new hiring standards rules. There are still going to be a thousand applications for every available job.

[Edited 2012-11-12 18:11:44]


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User currently offlineVS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 14):
They've got me sold. I still hope they're hiring a lot of pilots in 2021... I'll be ready about then. Hope that's not too late

Me too. I almost signed up with ATP last year as they were making the same argument i.e. the regionals will feel the crunch and they (ATP) have working relationships with them. I didn't do it because I realized what a dramatic change that would be and I am in my mid-30s. Another thing that sort of annoyed me is that there are no tax breaks if you want to fund your pilot education - i.e. deductions on a loan interest, and you can't take a student loan, unless it is a college degree (and I already have 2 graduate degrees). But maybe things will change now - write to your Congressman or Congresswoman  


User currently offlineoswegobag From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

How do you think the new FAA regulations requiring 1500 hours will affect things? Do you think that there is a chance the new law will be repealed before it goes into effect in August?

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7639 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 15):
To answer your question, PHX787, you would be flying ERJ and CRJs for ExpressJet or Chautauqua. Sounds attractive, right?
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 15):
Where this is going to bite hardest is at the bottom of the pile. It is the regionals who are going to suffer recruitment problems as more and more people are drawn up to the majors, yet they operate on razor thin margins and certainly aren't in a position to start funding cadetships like the LH suggestion in the article above.
Quoting doug_Or (Reply 16):
The major airlines will be able to pull from the thousands of well qualified regional pilots. The regional airlines will probably be the only ones who have any trouble finding qualified applicants (especially with the new experience requirements).

Buuuuut aren't the RJ airlines retiring a number of their 50-seaters? I mean, You gotta start somewhere...but where?  

lets say I finish university, go to flight school, get my commercial license, you know, get as qualified as possible....I end up with an RJ airline, get furloughed when they start retiring their fleet, or get put under, bought out, or something...

It looks like an endless circle.



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10476 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

Not a pilot, myself, but my son-in-law is......he's flown commercial as well as corporate in any number of types. I think airlines like DL are going to have to drop their requirement of a 4 year degree, just to open up the pool of possible candidates. My son-in-law has more experience, flying, available than many who have a 4 year degree (in art history, for example), but they don't look at that experience level.



Another thing that, IMO, has changed the available pool for the majors is the fact that the military pilots that used to be available are now reservists or national guard. Much of the military flying done now is by the reserve and guard and those pilots are airline pilots during the week, anyway.



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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4204 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

There's no reason the airlines can't handle the 1500 hr requirement. There are thousands of unemployed pilots out there with thousands of hours. All the regionals have to do is pay decent wages. They've had 5 years to plan for age 65, 3 years for 1500 hours, and have done nothing but kick the can down the street.

Heck, Sully speaks for me:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50134972n



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User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3414 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 20):
Buuuuut aren't the RJ airlines retiring a number of their 50-seaters? I mean, You gotta start somewhere...but where?

lets say I finish university, go to flight school, get my commercial license, you know, get as qualified as possible....I end up with an RJ airline, get furloughed when they start retiring their fleet, or get put under, bought out, or something...

It looks like an endless circle.

Just to clarify, with the new experience requirements, when you graduate with two or three hundred hours you'll probably need to work for a couple of years before you meet the minimum FAA requirements for a part 121 airline.



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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4204 posts, RR: 37
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 23):
Just to clarify, with the new experience requirements, when you graduate with two or three hundred hours you'll probably need to work for a couple of years before you meet the minimum FAA requirements for a part 121 airline.

Just like many of us have done for many years. Took me almost 2000 hours total time before I could get a call from a regional.



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25 RyanairGuru : I was being somewhat sarcastic, but you get the point... as with right now, new entrants would almost certainly be at the regionals. Whether that be
26 mayor : That's assuming, of course, that the system will have changed enough by then, so that the majors will actually draw from their own regionals. Not sur
27 XFSUgimpLB41X : Over 60% of DL (and NW) pilots hired from 2007-2010 (the last time DL hired) were from the regionals. The rest were military with a very small handfu
28 mayor : Ok....it's already changed then. Back when I was still working at SLC and my son-in-law was still flying for Skywest, DL seemed like they had an unwr
29 RyanairGuru : Back then DL could draw upon Comair and ASA (anyone I've forgotten?) which were wholly owned subsidiaries. Similarly I think that CO drew from Expres
30 AirlineCritic : It is a market on a global economy. There will never be a situation where the US airlines are short of pilots. If the majors are short of pilots, they
31 XFSUgimpLB41X : I should clarify, my 60% from the regionals should also include other "major" carriers such as AirTran, JetBlue, and various others (including freight
32 indiansbucs : What makes you think the "pilot shortage" will be felt only in the US? There are currently many airlines all over the world that are hiring people wi
33 futureualpilot : Easy, nobody ever said it is only the US, but the article is from a US news source discussion the situation in the states, and subsequently the discu
34 saab2000 : I have no way to know if there's any substance to it, but I have heard that there is a push to again up the retirement age, this time to 67 or 68. The
35 Post contains images lightsaber : I'd like to see an analysis of how the up-gauging of RJs is going to effect pilot demand. Oh, those at the bottom whom no longer may use pilots with 2
36 Flighty : Mechanically, how would you go from 500 to 1500 hrs if not at a regional? Small cargo air? It will cause all other pilots jobs to pay less, because y
37 futureualpilot : Instruct, photo flying, pipeline flying, fly freight, fish spotting, ferry flying. I found a way to get a couple thousand hours before my first airli
38 indiansbucs : My friend... it means carriers like Etihad for example, they hire people with no flying experience at all... to introduce them into a two year progra
39 DashTrash : Bingo. I haven't seen a cockpit since 2009. I'm sitting here with 5K +, and a couple of type ratings. I currently fly a desk for more than double the
40 zeke : That is something that is incorrectly understood by industry. The law states the requirement is to hold an ATP. Currently an ATP holder needs 1500 ho
41 RyanairGuru : Exactly, while you can say that there are X thousand pilots on furlough, those that wanted to remain in the industry are almost certainly with anothe
42 MaverickM11 : Isn't this a good thing? Pilot unions are always worried about a wage spiral down to the lowest common denominator. This could be the floor due to su
43 bahadir : WSJ is very pro business paper, Roger Cohen is nothing but a patological liar (he was insisting that the Colgan FO was able to afford a hotel room for
44 Post contains images KELPkid : Training costs have skyrocketed in the last 10 years. Incomes have remained flat. The only ways to become a pilot: be a rich playboy, get a good payin
45 aviateur : No way. The idea that an airline like Delta (or any other major) will have a REMOTELY hard time recruiting qualified candidates, with thousands of ai
46 aviateur : What in the world are you talking about? The regional sector accounts for more than 50 percent of all domestic flying in the United States. Are you s
47 aviateur : I'm sorry, but are you joking? As I was saying in the post above, the 1,500 hour requirement, etc., is merely restoring things back to historical nor
48 RyanairGuru : That's not what I said at all. I said that AFAIK airlines previously recruited to mainline from their in-house regional, ExpressJet to CO, Comair to
49 Tangowhisky : If there is an up and coming pilot shortage, why does the pay suck for new pilots? This is just a spin to attract a flood of new candidates. Market fo
50 aviateur : [quote=RyanairGuru,reply=48]That's not what I said at all. I said that AFAIK airlines previously recruited to mainline from their in-house regional, E
51 RyanairGuru : That's why I said "as far as I know" - I was clearly misinformed/forgotten
52 aviateur : No trouble at all. But yes, it's true: recruitment was across the board. Some regionals have had so-called "flow-through" agreements with their major
53 Mir : To have $36/hour be top pay, even for an FO, is ridiculous. You can make more than that as an FO on a seven-seat jet in the corporate/charter world.
54 Flighty : Makes sense. Actually I thought you were saying the opposite -- people can be hired off the street -- but now your meaning is clearer! Thank you. Yea
55 infiniti329 : It baffles me that some on here think that the pilot shortage will not effect the majors.. Maybe it wont directly but it will effect them indirectly e
56 web500sjc : Im surprised no one has brought up the third reason-the new duty limits. While the duty limits don't apply too cargo pilots, they certainly apply to
57 Post contains images lightsaber : It will first hit the business jet pilots. This will just accelerate the need to up-gauge to fewer 76 RJs instead of 50 seat RJs. There will be some
58 mayor : I know that Comair folded, but is the Comair Flight Academy still operational?
59 B727FA : I'm trying to scour the list for an OH pilot hired at DL post 2001... It's the Delta Connection Academy now.
60 silentbob : US takes a few, though the number is restricted. I couldn't possibly agree more. The pay sucks because that's what the airlines have been able to neg
61 Mir : Delta got rid of it a while ago. I think it's now called the Aerosim Flight Academy. -Mir
62 zeke : The new rule is not 1500 hrs.
63 bjorn14 : Not sure how this will work out but if many US entry level pilots go overseas to fly to get to the 1500 hour level. It could put pressure on the affor
64 Post contains images lightsaber : Yes and know. I know about a dozen 'desk jokey' pilots who would love to fly again. Some would be willing to take a 2/3rds pay cut! Some... Pay would
65 Flighty : If the pay were not based on seniority at your company, maybe those individuals would be paid much more fairly. Just a thought.
66 saab2000 : There are not enough jobs doing banner towing, pipeline inspection, etc. to have 1000 pilots per year (minimum industry retirements, it'll be more ann
67 zeke : This is exactly what will happen, the ATP will be issued through approved schools after attaining something like 500 flight hours in an approved cour
68 Post contains images Mir : Unlikely. The market for expat pilots overseas isn't incredibly strong for low-time guys. There's a lot of demand for more experienced guys to be men
69 XFSUgimpLB41X : As has already been answered, there are numerous ways to build that time- much of mine was simply flight instructing. It takes a couple years, but is
70 Post contains images affirmative : If there will be a shortage among the US majors I can assure you that there will be a mass exodus from EK, EY and QR with pilots wanting to move back
71 Mir : The pilot this decade has seen the regionals become a career. That's going to make one a bit less interested in having to invest the time (or in some
72 norcal : Who is going to pay for it? Have you stopped by a local FBO to see how expensive flight training is today for an hour in a cessna? College students a
73 RyanairGuru : I'm not disagreeing with you, but the one person I know at EK says that he's never coming home, at least until he retires. The money is simply too go
74 XFSUgimpLB41X : I was a pilot that started this decade... the regionals sure weren't a career for me, nor for almost all of my peers that had the motivation and abil
75 Mir : You said you got hired in 2003, which was during the previous hiring boom. That's before the downturn happened, and before pretty much everyone who's
76 Post contains images affirmative : To be fair I know a few of those too. And I can see that since the golden paychecks in Europe for command positions are a thing of the past. One of m
77 XFSUgimpLB41X : This may be a bit blunt, but that's the lamest excuse in the book- mostly put forth by those that have tried and failed to get out. Quality of life,
78 XFSUgimpLB41X : I got hired while there were still thousands on the street and even more being put on the street. I'd hardly call that a boom. Those recently removed
79 norcal : Colgan was a small operation and their pilots are being rolled into Pinnacle, they aren't hitting the streets. Comair was also a very small operation
80 aviateur : I couldn't agree with you more. The differences between working at a major and working at a regional are night and day. PS
81 DeltaRules : Is there any truth to the rumblings that the 1,000 hour rule would only be for "selected" aviation universities? Meaning if you want to go to Ohio St
82 Post contains images lightsaber : Pay at my company has ZERO input with seniority. That is the issue. They are paid too well to step over to a new company with seniority based pay. He
83 Flighty : Yes, my comment was so badly worded, just was calling out seniority in general. Worker shortages do not happen without the intervention of bizarre ru
84 Mir : From what I heard, the school would have to have an accredited aviation program, which means pretty much any college could be eligible, but that scho
85 norcal : That is still a lot of flight time and it still doesn't remove the expense factor. People were going through 4 year programs and accumulating $100,00
86 AviRaider : I couldn't agree more. This is why I decided against being an airline pilot during college, I just couldn't stomach the idea of that much debt for li
87 DashTrash : Not quite true. Not true at all. Good friend of mine on the 700 there was on '06 hire and never had the seniority to hold CA. He lasted there one wee
88 Post contains images mayor : Yeah, those BA's in art history are definitely going to help in the long run.
89 Post contains links and images RyanairGuru : It seems to be a pretty persistent rumor around here that ZW will fold when its current contract with US is up. If so I feel sorry for those guys, th
90 ItalianFlyer : This is an anecdotal observation, but something I thought I would never see when I joined the industry 12 years ago; pilots leaving the profession all
91 apodino : They did on both the Pilot and the MX side. On the 2015, if ZW gets no flying deal before then they are going to become just a ground handler. Howeve
92 Post contains images futureualpilot : Unfortunately I fear you may be right. There is no shortage of great people at ZW, who deserve great futures but may not get it because it all comes
93 Mir : Obviously, the degree would be in aviation, not just anything. -Mir
94 XFSUgimpLB41X : A degree in aviation is more worthless than a degree in art history. I would never ever ever advise anyone to get a degree in aviation. The kids comi
95 Maverick623 : Yep. As every single commercial pilot I've ever talked to said: get a degree in something you want to do when you get laid off from flying.
96 Post contains links and images planemaker : Doesn't it simply come down to supply and demand... Continual advancement in this area will eventually deal with any future shortages...
97 mayor : I guess I was referring, more to an airline like DL's policy that requires a 4 year degree, no matter what it's in. Kinda like the people that were i
98 aviateur : Here's what I had to say about the matter in my latest blog post...... As the pundits have it, our airlines are running out of pilots. But is this tru
99 Mir : For flying? No. It does have value. But does that value match the cost involved in getting it? Probably not, which is why I'd agree with this: With o
100 Goldenshield : One of the oldest? Not really. Sure, it was around before the recent spat of union-busters and scope-evaders came about, but they are far from being
101 Post contains images lightsaber : Agreed. I agree with that fully. Experience is required, but experience with knowledge of the theory is worth quite a bit more. Agreed. But the added
102 Post contains images mayor : I used "Art History" as an example because the media, every year, interviews college graduates about their major and job prospects and EVERY year, th
103 PassedV1 : First I'll start out with what it is not. It is NOT the wages at the regionals. The wages at the regionals is not the main factor, it is the wages at
104 Post contains links planemaker : At least Comair will always be remembered for being the N. American launch customer for the CRJ. I agree!! However, you may be interested to check ou
105 airportugal310 : Neither would I. I was lucky...almost most others are NOT. Right on. Exactly. That should shock no one, and yet...it still does...???? Odd, eh?
106 planemaker : This was a reader's interesting response from AIN re a summer news article on the "pilot shortage"...
107 DashTrash : I disagree to some extent. There is little movement in the industry at the moment, so you're stuck making shit for a several years at a regional when
108 Mir : True, but that cat is out of the bag, and I'm not convinced that there's any way to put it back in the bag. -Mir
109 planemaker : "Lack of Scope"... and whatever you would suggest to correct the 'BIGGEST problem" would have knock on implications regarding levels of service. For
110 lightsaber : I disagree. The majors are receiving far too many resumes per position and they won't feel a shortage even when they need to hire thousands. If time
111 StarAC17 : I'm not too familiar with how things work at regional carriers but from my work experiences in the past if I was required to travel across Canada for
112 manny : Its so ironic to see an article about Government help when most columnists and editorials are focused on reducing the very same Government! At the end
113 Mir : It doesn't have to accelerate if the pilots stand firm on scope. If an airline wants MRJs, they can fly them with mainline crews. The problem is that
114 RyanairGuru : When a pilot is RON at an outstation then they are getting a hotel room etc. The issue in question, I think, is when they are staying in base, either
115 planemaker : And that will happen.
116 Goldenshield : It's going to happen anyway, because with a little modification of the cabin layout, the MRJ fits perfectly within the allowances for scope already e
117 vio : I love the stories and headlines of "PILOT SHORTAGES"... What they fail to mention is that they have a shortage of EXPERIENCED PILOTS... That's a huge
118 DashTrash : You can't correct it. The cat is out of the bag. You're correct on the rest of your statement as well. I wasn't making the argument that all transcon
119 futureualpilot : I'd take a look at the numbers of student pilot, commercial and ATP certificates being issued in recent years. They're not indicative of an increase
120 StarAC17 : That makes sense as I don't get paid to drive to work and would never ask to be. Regarding Colgan Air Flight 3407 in Buffalo and from watching the Ma
121 Goldenshield : She was living with her parents is why. Even (the untouchable) Sully was commuting from Sacramento, although he was based at CLT. And then he still h
122 futureualpilot : Right, but your work schedule likely dictates that you can wake up and drive to work as you choose to do so. Commuting flight crew do not always have
123 StarAC17 : That is fortunate and even the fact you are single doesn't make it much of a hassle. Its still challenging and even after 6 months you build a networ
124 RyanairGuru : Sorry to be blunt, but have you read this thread? You're absolutely right, you can always find someone with 250 hours. The little detail you seemed t
125 lightsaber : That would be great. Supply and demand would be in balance and in the long run everyone would be better off. I'm not for pilots paid less than a livi
126 Post contains links lightsaber : Due to it being related to this thread, Monster now has out the worst paying college degrees: http://career-advice.monster.com/sal...2/article.aspx?wt
127 Post contains images DeltaRules : Here's what I want to know about these rumored "accredited" ATP programs which may knock the time requirements down, using these posts as my informati
128 XFSUgimpLB41X : Do what the rest of us did for many years- finish your commercial, get your CFI, networkm and build your time above 1500 hours (and as such pilot in
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