Chiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 929 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 530 times:
Reuters report
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"Last Friday, we inked a contract to purchase 40 Airbus A320s, its new model," Interjet Chairman Miguel Aleman Velasco said during a business summit in the central industrial state of Queretaro.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11742 posts, RR: 51 Reply 1, posted (7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 530 times:
Aren't most, if not all of the current 36 A-320s new, or nearly new? This is pretty good for an airline that is only about 7 years old and now ordering 40 new A-320NEOs? 4O (IATA code) is a LCC for those who don't know this airline.
aerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4634 posts, RR: 51 Reply 5, posted (7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 531 times:
Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 4): Quoting avi8 (Reply 3):
It will not affect their order. The SSJ-100's are destined for completely different markets as opposed to the A320.
Perhaps. But that is always subject to change in the airline world
Perhaps, but you need an initial goal of what you'll be doing with the aircraft before you place an order
The PR says "purchase agreement" so I'm not seeing this as firm yet.
I miss the simple days when all we had were orders and options. Now we have to filter through "commitments", LOIs, MOUs, "purchase rights" and now "purchase agreements".
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7253 posts, RR: 45 Reply 8, posted (7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 531 times:
Quoting scbriml (Reply 7): The PR says "purchase agreement" so I'm not seeing this as firm yet.
What would be firmer than a purchase agreement to you? I don't know what the agreement looks like, but I would expect it to state the number of planes, the price to be paid, the payment dates, and the delivery dates. There may be conditions too, that are customary, such as absence of MAC's, securing financing, etc., but that would in no way mean this is not a firm deal.
scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11438 posts, RR: 50 Reply 9, posted (7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 531 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 8): What would be firmer than a purchase agreement to you?
Only that, to my best knowledge, it's not a term that Airbus has used before in a PR. If an order is firm, they've always been very clear about that in the past.
That said, I do now believe this to be firm as it's the only way that the A320neo numbers tally with the total of 1,515 that Airbus gave at a recent briefing.
AMX748 From Mexico, joined Jan 2008, 54 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 531 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1): 4O (IATA code) is a LCC for those who don't know this airline.
Actually not so low cost. Average fares for a 1.5 hours roundtrip are in the 200 - 250 USD, in some cases up to 400 USD, no matter how much you anticipate your purchase.
A true LCC is the one for which you pay a 69 USD for a trip up to 1,000 miles, roundtrip. Viva aerobus is more like a LCC but they don't have the money or don't want to spend the money in new aircraft, delivered directly from the manufacturer.
I wasn't sure if it was firm either, as Airbus stated in the press release the neo had "almost 1,500 firm orders", which wouldn't have added up without a cancellation somewhere.
rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2397 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 531 times:
Quoting AMX748 (Reply 10): Actually not so low cost. Average fares for a 1.5 hours roundtrip are in the 200 - 250 USD, in some cases up to 400 USD, no matter how much you anticipate your purchase.
A true LCC is the one for which you pay a 69 USD for a trip up to 1,000 miles, roundtrip. Viva aerobus is more like a LCC but they don't have the money or don't want to spend the money in new aircraft, delivered directly from the manufacturer.
The use of the term LCC varies so much within the airline industry that now everybody calls an airline LCC if it is not a legacy and it has low operating costs. Until someone comes up with an approved definition of LCC, we will keep reading articles that refer to almost any non-legacy airline as LCC.
For example, I've heard people call Southwest an LCC and it is the airline with the highest costs in the USA (high productivity but extremely high costs).
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7253 posts, RR: 45 Reply 13, posted (7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 532 times:
Quoting AMX748 (Reply 10): Actually not so low cost. Average fares for a 1.5 hours roundtrip are in the 200 - 250 USD, in some cases up to 400 USD, no matter how much you anticipate your purchase.
A true LCC is the one for which you pay a 69 USD for a trip up to 1,000 miles, roundtrip. Viva aerobus is more like a LCC but they don't have the money or don't want to spend the money in new aircraft, delivered directly from the manufacturer.
I disagree. Low-cost is not the same as low-fare. An airline can be low-cost (i.e., an airline that has lower operating costs than its peers as a result of the employment of non-unionized crews/pilots/rampers, offering food and beverages for sale, having no F.F. program or a rudimentary one, etc.) and yet charge low fares or expensive fares. The "low cost" part of the designation is for the airline, not for you, the passenger.
People tend to confuse "low-cost" with "low-fares" and that is why many find themselves outraged when the likes of Brazil's Gol or Interjet have fares that are not much different from those of their "legacy" rivals such as AM-Transportes Aereos Meridionais (Brazil)">JJ and AM.
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