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LAN To Retire A340 Fleet  
User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

LAN Airlines will begin the retirement of its A340-300s fleet in 2013. According with the latest LATAM Airlines fleet plan (2013-2015), the company will retire A340-300 leaving only to aircraft for SCL-AKL-SYD route.

From the next year, the B787s will operate from the next year routes to SCL-EZE-SCL, SCL-LIM-LAX, SCL-LAX and SCL-MAD-FRA.

Also, in 2013 the company will complete the retirement of the entire A318 fleet.

In Brazil, TAM will reduce the number of its A330s, from 20 to 16 in 2013 and to 13 in 2014.

http://envivodesdescl.blogspot.com/2...rlines-presenta-plan-de-flota.html

Best Regards,

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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

Quoting RJ_Delta (Thread starter):
LAN Airlines will begin the retirement of its A340-300s fleet in 2013. According with the latest LATAM Airlines fleet plan (2013-2015), the company will retire A340-300 leaving only to aircraft for SCL-AKL-SYD route.

How long before the 78s are certified to do SKL-AKL-SYD?



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

I wonder why they are reducing the a332 fleet? Seems they've been a pretty important part of their fleet.

User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

Quoting RJ_Delta (Thread starter):
In Brazil, TAM will reduce the number of its A330s, from 20 to 16 in 2013 and to 13 in 2014

They just recently postponed the 763 retirement because they need the lift. What will those A330s be replaced by and by when?



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User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 1):

How long before the 78s are certified to do SKL-AKL-SYD?

At this moment there is no news about the certification to do SCL-AKL-SYD with the B787-8 due to a couple of inconvenience with the engines of the first aircraft. So its probably that the Australian service remains with A340 until the arrival of the B787-9.

Best Regards,


User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Quoting something (Reply 3):
They just recently postponed the 763 retirement because they need the lift. What will those A330s be replaced by and by when?

Probably JJ will compensate the retirement of some A330s with their new B77Ws.

Regards,


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8751 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2338 times:
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Quoting RJ_Delta (Thread starter):
Also, in 2013 the company will complete the retirement of the entire A318 fleet.

Also next year, LAN will begin to receive the A-321s. It's interesting to note that LAN Colombia will continue to operate the Dash 8-200s up to 2015; thus reinforcing LAN Colombia's commitment to regional operations with-in the Colombian domestic market.

According to the fleet plan by 2015, LATAM will operate 96 widebody a/c:
39 B-767-300ER
16 B-787
12 B-77W
13 A-332
12 B-767-300F
4 B-777F

Saludos,


User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
Also next year, LAN will begin to receive the A-321s. It's interesting to note that LAN Colombia will continue to operate the Dash 8-200s up to 2015; thus reinforcing LAN Colombia's commitment to regional operations with-in the Colombian domestic market.

Today there are 6 aircraft in LATAM Airlines without use: 2 A340-500 ex TAM and 4 DashQ-400 in LAN Colombia. According with some info, the 4 Dash 8Q-400 wil be sold to other operator in 1Q 2013.

For the next year the fleet will be:

53 A319
162 A320
10 A321
16 A332
2 A343
6 B73G
43 B763
10 B77W
5 B788
9 DH8-2
4 DH8-4

Best Regards,


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8751 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2331 times:
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Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 7):
43 B763

Just to clarify, at the end of 2012 LAN will have 39 B-767-300ERs in the fleet with 4 additional B-767-300ERs joining the fleet during next year.

Saludos,


User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 8):

Just to clarify, at the end of 2012 LAN will have 39 B-767-300ERs in the fleet with 4 additional B-767-300ERs joining the fleet during next year.

41 by the end of the year (38 LAN's B763s plus 3 TAM's B763s).

Best Regards,


User currently offlineavion660 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

Quoting RJ_Delta (Thread starter):
LAN Airlines will begin the retirement of its A340-300s fleet in 2013. According with the latest LATAM Airlines fleet plan (2013-2015), the company will retire A340-300 leaving only to aircraft for SCL-AKL-SYD route.

2 aircraft to serve that route?

Shame, comfy plane for passenger, nice to look at too.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3681 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2323 times:

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 5):
Probably JJ will compensate the retirement of some A330s with their new B77Ws.

It will not be enough. There is still something unsaid about TAM's fleet. The rumour was that the 4 332 would have their leases renewed.


User currently offlinephotoshooter From Belgium, joined Feb 2010, 454 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2321 times:
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Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 7):
For the next year the fleet will be:

53 A319
162 A320
10 A321
16 A332
2 A343
6 B73G
43 B763
10 B77W
5 B788
9 DH8-2
4 DH8-4

That sure is an interesting fleet! Sad to see the A340 leaving on MAD-FRA... Always thought that would have been my first time on an A340.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8751 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2315 times:
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Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 9):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 8):

Just to clarify, at the end of 2012 LAN will have 39 B-767-300ERs in the fleet with 4 additional B-767-300ERs joining the fleet during next year.

41 by the end of the year (38 LAN's B763s plus 3 TAM's B763s).

With TAM retiring 3 B763s early next year and LAN receiving 8 B763s throughout next year the number of B763s in LAN's fleet during 2013 will be 43, (LA currently has 33 B763s and 4M has 2 B763s).

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 11):
It will not be enough. There is still something unsaid about TAM's fleet. The rumour was that the 4 332 would have their leases renewed.

It's LAN implementing capacity discipline on TAM. IMO, the number of TAM A332s that are returned next year will most likely change during Q12013.



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
(LA currently has 33 B763s and 4M has 2 B763s).


LAN just took delivery of CC-BDJ so LA currently has 34 B763s and 4M has 2 B763s.

[Edited 2012-11-13 22:42:46 by SA7700]

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6406 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Great, I'm just about to book a flight on their A343! When are they expected to take delivery of the 789s?


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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2312 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
It's interesting to note that LAN Colombia will continue to operate the Dash 8-200s up to 2015; thus reinforcing LAN Colombia's commitment to regional operations with-in the Colombian domestic market.

Commitment to the Colombian market or the lack of an appropriate aircraft to replace these small but outdated Dash 8-200s. The only aircraft LAN can order as replacement is the ATR42-600.

A388


User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 16):
Commitment to the Colombian market or the lack of an appropriate aircraft to replace these small but outdated Dash 8-200s.

LAN will replace Dash 8-200 fleet in 2016.

Best Regards,


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 17):
LAN will replace Dash 8-200 fleet in 2016.

Best Regards,

Great, but why replacing them so late (2016)? Clearly these aircraft are outdated now already. Which aircraft has been selected to replace these Dashes?

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8751 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2324 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 16):
Commitment to the Colombian market or the lack of an appropriate aircraft to replace these small but outdated Dash 8-200s.

According to LAN's fleet plan, the Dash-8-200s will be operating within Colombia through 2015. Obviously LAN sees value in operating into certain regional airports within Colombia. If not, LAN could have rapidly phased out the Dash-8-200s. For example, LAN Colombia does very well on the EOH-PEI route. Does Viva Colombia still operate MDE-PEI?


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 19):
Obviously LAN sees value in operating into certain regional airports within Colombia. If not, LAN could have rapidly phased out the Dash-8-200s.

There is obviously value in those routes, just not with an economical aircraft apparently. There is no reason to keep an outdated aircraft for so long. LAN can only go bigger in this case with the ATR42 and they probably haven't decided yet whether a larger aircraft is the best way to go on this thin routes. They probably have a dilemma here.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 19):
For example, LAN Colombia does very well on the EOH-PEI route. Does Viva Colombia still operate MDE-PEI?

I'm not asking questions about the competition so stop turning things around as you always do.

A388


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3681 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
It's LAN implementing capacity discipline on TAM. IMO, the number of TAM A332s that are returned next year will most likely change during Q12013.

That's hilarious! The capacity problem in the Brazilian domestic market is not in TAM's hands. When it comes to the widebody fleet, fleet cuts translate into frequency cuts, which was not the discourse until now. It was all about international expansion.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8751 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2321 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 20):
There is no reason to keep an outdated aircraft for so long. LAN can only go bigger in this case with the ATR42 and they probably haven't decided yet whether a larger aircraft is the best way to go on this thin routes. They probably have a dilemma here.

That's a decision for LAN to make and I'm sure that they are looking at alternatives.  

Quoting A388 (Reply 20):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 19):
For example, LAN Colombia does very well on the EOH-PEI route. Does Viva Colombia still operate MDE-PEI?

I'm not asking questions about the competition so stop turning things around as you always do.

I was simply giving you an example of how LAN Colombia actually preforms well on a specific regional route. You've been to EOH so you should already know that LAN is committed to certain regional routes and to EOH itself.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 21):
That's hilarious! The capacity problem in the Brazilian domestic market is not in TAM's hands. When it comes to the widebody fleet, fleet cuts translate into frequency cuts, which was not the discourse until now. It was all about international expansion.

Perhaps LAN thinks the 2 B77Ws coming next year will compensate for the A332s leaving the fleet. We also do not know if LAN will take-over any of TAM's international routes as yet.


User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 21):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
It's LAN implementing capacity discipline on TAM. IMO, the number of TAM A332s that are returned next year will most likely change during Q12013.

That's hilarious! The capacity problem in the Brazilian domestic market is not in TAM's hands. When it comes to the widebody fleet, fleet cuts translate into frequency cuts, which was not the discourse until now. It was all about international expansion.

Can you elaborate on that? I was under the impression that TAM was in need of more, rather than of less widebody/longhaul capacity. 77W will be too big for CNF, MAO to South Florida. What about their MAD flight/s? And FRA? Will GIG-FRA go 77W as well or will they maybe drop it and just fly more capacity into MAD and LHR? I think it was half jokingly, but I also heard of GRU-DUS on A332. In either way, it surprises me that TAM will minimize their A330 fleet.



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User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Quoting something (Reply 23):
Can you elaborate on that? I was under the impression that TAM was in need of more, rather than of less widebody/longhaul capacity. 77W will be too big for CNF, MAO to South Florida. What about their MAD flight/s? And FRA? Will GIG-FRA go 77W as well or will they maybe drop it and just fly more capacity into MAD and LHR? I think it was half jokingly, but I also heard of GRU-DUS on A332. In either way, it surprises me that TAM will minimize their A330 fleet.

Probably in the near future some intra-Americans flights would be operated by LAN from Brazil following the example of the proposal LAN flight SCL-GIG-MIA. Chile has 5th freedom rights in Brazil and if the plans result could extend this type operations in the near future.

Best Regards,


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3681 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2522 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 22):

Perhaps LAN thinks the 2 B77Ws coming next year will compensate for the A332s leaving the fleet. We also do not know if LAN will take-over any of TAM's international routes as yet.

Even so, if there were to be any expansion, Brazil would consume all of LAN's fleet growth.

Quoting something (Reply 23):
I was under the impression that TAM was in need of more, rather than of less widebody/longhaul capacity.

Exactly.


25 SCL767 : IMHO, LATAM is concerned with decreasing TAM's debt first and foremost. LAN will receive half of its order for 32 787s by the end of 2015 while maint
26 AirbusA6 : LAN do like their 767s don't they, it's surprising to heat talk of the A332 fleet being reduced when the 767 fleet is still increasing. Clearly it is
27 something : And more than that. JJ is one of those airlines, along with EK just in a different market, whose main impediment to growth are aircraft deliveries. W
28 Rafabozzolla : And it has to be seen if JJ's 763s will keep their mediocre interiors. It's one thing not to spend money on short-term leases, but it seems that these
29 C010T3 : They will not. They are being assigned charter duty for January, but are not scheduled for anything else after that.
30 SCL767 : TAM recently took delivery of 3 B77Ws and will soon receive its 8th B77W. TAM will receive 2 B77Ws during 2013 and 2 B77Ws during 2014. Also, LATAM w
31 something : Yes, all true. But they have flights from secondary Brazilian cities to Miami and Orlando. Rio to Europe, FRA in particular. All flights a 77W is too
32 YVRLTN : They are not so old, these are 200's, not 100's and were all built betwwen 1996-1998. The AC ones are 10 years older with no replacement in sight, ag
33 kric777 : Am I missing something? Why would LAN operate a plane with the range of the 787 on SCL-EZE-SCL?....what is that, like 500-600 miles? Is this intended
34 steve6666 : Let's not forget that TAM lost just under R$1bn in the second quarter this year (compared to a profit in the same period of 2011 of R$60m odd, or put
35 Post contains links something : LOL Brazilians prefer to travel on GOL because TAM gives the impression it is run by monkeys. I have no insight into the company but it is apparently
36 Arcano : But wouldn't this mean a decrease in seat capacity in the route?
37 SCL767 : The aircraft will be rotated between the SCL-LIM-LAX and SCL-MAD-FRA routes. Thus, instead of having it sit idle at SCL, it will operate SCL-EZE-SCL
38 Arcano : almost 50% C reduction, isn't that too much? specially considered the ever full SCL-MAD and the outrageous prices?
39 SCL767 : Nope. The B-787-8s will be deployed on other routes besides the SCL-MAD-FRA route. The B-787-9s will have a larger Premium Business Class cabin.
40 rafabullara : I wonder how long does it gonna last! If the government thinks that LATAM is exporting jobs for Chile for paying less taxes, they will cut the 5th fr
41 SCL767 : TAM is increasing capacity on international flights with the B77Ws and is increasing frequencies on international routes. TAM just launched GIG-MCO d
42 rafabullara : And that makes a lot of sense since TAM is profitable in the international market, and very unprofitable in the domestic market.
43 SCL767 : To remain profitable in the international market TAM needs to renew its fleet of widebody a/c in order to operate more efficient and economical aircr
44 rafabullara : What kind of renew do you suggest? The 77W are brand new, and most of the A330 have less than 10 years, the ones that have more will leave the fleet
45 SCL767 : TAM has 4 B77Ws on order and plans to renew its fleet of 20 A332s with the 27 A350s that TAM has on order. However, TAM's order for 27 A350s will cos
46 rafabullara : So you are telling me that Lan will pay U$2.7 billions in 32 787? B/C the price for TAM's 27 A350s is U$5.4 billions.
47 XT6Wagon : The 767 is a good bit cheaper to run than a A330. Now the A330's are more flexible and have more revenue potential which make it a better plane for m
48 SCL767 : No, however you forgot to factor in engine costs associated with TAM's order for 27 A350s. LAN will have 43 B-767-300ERs and 12 B-767-300Fs in the fl
49 RJ_Delta : Maximize the use of the aircraft. Is the similar operations for the B763s. In the short time, yes but considering the economical situation in Spain c
50 A388 : I never questioned LAN commitment and only pointed to their Dash 8 replacement. It's a fact that those Dash 8's are old, there's no turning around th
51 Avianca : well all other than they would be commited to Colombia would be strange, didnt they bought not to long ago Aires... Cheers Avianca
52 rafabullara : I see too much passion in some answers as well.
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