FWA is also searching for a new marketing/air service director after Dave Young left for RDU at the end of August. The marketing/air service development post at FWA is a joint venture with the local Chamber of Commerce, which is also leading the search.
In other FWA news, Eagle will be going from 3 FWA-ORD flights per day to 4 in April (DFW remains at 2x daily). I also wouldn't be surprised to see DL upgrade FWA-ATL (and by extension, SBN-ATL) to at least 70-seaters in the new year, as DL has stated that 50-seat RJ routes between 450 and 750 miles like FWA/SBN-ATL will be the first to get upgauged. It seems like G4's FWA-PGD route is doing well, too, as fares (and probably yields) for FWA-PGD seem to be higher than G4's other PGD routes.
Not surprisingly, IND had the biggest economic impact at $4.5 billion (thanks, FedEx). SBN was second at $1.7 billion, FWA was third at $975 million, and EVV came in fourth at $945 million. Though GYY's impact was only $72 million, I expect that to grow substantially as the runway extension is completed and air service expands at GYY. The highest economic impact of an airport without commercial air service was Warsaw Municipal (ASW) at $858 million, just $117 million shy of nearby FWA.
Lastly, with all this talk about G4 going international, is there a reason why SBN didn't add an FIS facility in their new concourse? And could one be added in the future? I remember that SBN was originally talking about putting one in for G4 when it was in the planning stages. Per the 2012 FWA master plan, I know that an FIS should be added at FWA when the next terminal renovation takes place.
freakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 542 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9767 times:
And FIS facility could be added in the future at SBN but I do not know where. The old C holding room maybe but how do you get people off the plane in a sterile jetway area and not interfere with the ground vehicle movement between the new concourse and the main building. How do you also put in separate baggage carousel for the FIS. The only way to do this right is to build another extension of the new concourse with the same look on the west side of the old A holding room and have a separate baggage area and FIS facility. In building an extension of the concourse on the west side of the old holding room A this section can also be elevated 1/2 floor up like the new building. You would then also glass enclose the loading bridge area and be able to direct the passengers into the FIS and baggage claim area. This is similar to the old sterile areas to the old FIS at places like DFW and IAH. Leaving the area through an exit doors on the south side passengers would then exit into the present terminal via a corridor to the area outside of security an into the main building.
Putting a FIS on the west side you also run into a dilemma of working around the bus terminal.
They are also landlocked by the big hanger on the east side to build an FIS extension off the old C holding room. It's just a real dilemma on how to add an FIS. The easiest thing of all is to have US Customs Pre-clearance in Mexico which would negate the need for an FIS at SBN.
On a side note what would be nice is also a US Customs Pre-clearance at Billy Bishop Airport in Toronto which would make it easy on Porter to fly to SBN or FWA
freakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 542 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9765 times:
"I also wouldn't be surprised to see DL upgrade FWA-ATL (and by extension, SBN-ATL) to at least 70-seaters in the new year, as DL has stated that 50-seat RJ routes between 450 and 750 miles like FWA/SBN-ATL will be the first to get upgauged."
I talked to one of the DGS employees at SBN last Saturday after the ND-Wake Forrest game and he doesn't think Delta mainline (B717) would return to SBN except during certain ND home game weekends because SBN was originally a Delta Connection city with Comair even though they did have 737's going to CVG. In other words he said SBN is not a mainline city for Delta. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised to see mostly all flying at SBN go to CR7/CR9 in the near future though.
Most of these employees don't know what the mainline carriers plans are anyway so it's all a wash.
In other SBN news, their prime focus now is to get N/S service to the New York area. Secondary to this is service to DFW.
FWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9754 times:
Quoting freakyrat (Reply 4): SBN was originally a Delta Connection city with Comair even though they did have 737's going to CVG.
SBN saw MD-88s to ATL as well. I remember going to SBN pre-9/11 and seeing an MD-88 in the Ron Allen livery headed to ATL from the old A holdroom.
Quoting freakyrat (Reply 4): In other SBN news, their prime focus now is to get N/S service to the New York area. Secondary to this is service to DFW.
Makes sense, as I remember reading before F9 arrived that SBN's top three markets without nonstop service (per management) were DFW, LGA, and DEN. DFW would have to be on AA (Eagle), but the question is if would cannibalize FWA-DFW (which sees a lot of SBN-area pax). As for LGA, it would most likely be a DL route.
Quoting freakyrat (Reply 3): And FIS facility could be added in the future at SBN but I do not know where. The old C holding room maybe but how do you get people off the plane in a sterile jetway area and not interfere with the ground vehicle movement between the new concourse and the main building. How do you also put in separate baggage carousel for the FIS. The only way to do this right is to build another extension of the new concourse with the same look on the west side of the old A holding room and have a separate baggage area and FIS facility. In building an extension of the concourse on the west side of the old holding room A this section can also be elevated 1/2 floor up like the new building. You would then also glass enclose the loading bridge area and be able to direct the passengers into the FIS and baggage claim area. This is similar to the old sterile areas to the old FIS at places like DFW and IAH. Leaving the area through an exit doors on the south side passengers would then exit into the present terminal via a corridor to the area outside of security an into the main building.
Putting a FIS on the west side you also run into a dilemma of working around the bus terminal.
They are also landlocked by the big hanger on the east side to build an FIS extension off the old C holding room. It's just a real dilemma on how to add an FIS. The easiest thing of all is to have US Customs Pre-clearance in Mexico which would negate the need for an FIS at SBN.
Sounds like it would be a challenge to add an FIS at SBN... they should have baked one into the new terminal as originally planned. They knew for years that G4 was eventually going to go international, and G4 is huge at SBN, so it baffles me why they didn't plan ahead for what is now a major player at SBN.
I would like to see US CBP preclearance at CUN and other Mexican airports, but with the Mexican drug wars, I don't see it happening even at tourist-area Mexican airports. As such, once the terminal expansion is finished in a few years, I see G4 focusing their northern Indiana Mexican flights at FWA.
freakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 542 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (6 months 5 days ago) and read 9719 times:
Here is an Aerial view of the new concourse at SBN. My take on how to ad an FIS is that there is plenty of room on the west side of the building. You take down the old A3 loading bridge (F9 gate) in left top of the picture and move it to A4 next door. You also demolish the vestibule extension where the A2 bridge was. You then build an extension of the new concourse on the west end but build it 3/4 up instead of 1/2 to accommodate the MD80 B757 A319 type acft. You can build it long enough to install 3 jetways. You build an inside jetway area sterile area to direct passengers to US Customs. This area can also be open when operating domestic flights. Baggage will be dropped off in an FIS dedicated baggage belt at the west side of this terminal extension. Double frosted glass doors as per other FIS facilities would be on the south end of the building extension which would lead to a corridor into the area of the new tunnel in the left hand side of the picture. FIS problem solved. The cost probably about 9 million including refurbished jetways etc. It would also take close to a year to build. It would also have the same special plastic roof as the new terminal does etc.
Aerial view of SBN Concourse A showing jetbridge layout
What would be the other options? Aside from NK (which I think is a VERY long shot), I can't think of any.
Even then, part of the draw of DFW is the extremely strong AA hub connections. If it were anyone but AA/Eagle, one couldn't tap into these connections. Even Eagle's FWA-DFW, which is one of the two strongest O&D legacy routes from FWA (the other being DL to ATL), has a lot of connecting traffic - it wouldn't work without connections, and neither would SBN.
boilerla From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 261 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9659 times:
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 8): Even then, part of the draw of DFW is the extremely strong AA hub connections. If it were anyone but AA/Eagle, one couldn't tap into these connections. Even Eagle's FWA-DFW, which is one of the two strongest O&D legacy routes from FWA (the other being DL to ATL), has a lot of connecting traffic - it wouldn't work without connections, and neither would SBN.
Which is the opposite problem that SBN-EWR would have on UA. It'd primarily be O&D as I doubt there are that many SBN passengers connecting on TATL on a daily basis. UA probably wants their EWR slots for high margin TATL and its connecting flows, not on something that would be low-yielding except for some ND home weekends.
They'd have better luck trying to get SBN-IAD or SBN-IAH where slots aren't at a premium and there are better chances for connecting flows.
FWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (6 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9631 times:
Quoting atlengineer (Reply 10): The reason that Warsaw is that high is that Warsaw has 3 of the world's 5 largest orthopedic manufactures based there as well as the world headquarters of Daylight Screen Company.
Correct, which leads to a megaton of orthopedic and orthopedic supplier bizjets. IIRC, ASW is the busiest airport in Indiana for bizjets, and commercial traffic from Warsaw is pretty evenly split between FWA and SBN.
In addition to orthopedic makers and Da-Lite, Warsaw is also home to Lakeland Financial/Lake City Bank, one of the largest Indiana-based banks (but still behind SBN-based 1st Source and EVV-based Old National). Lake City is #1 in Warsaw by far, #2 in Elkhart/Goshen, #4 in FWA, and #8 in SBN (plus they recently expanded into Indianapolis). Lake City even wrote a supporting letter for the SBN SCASD application that led to F9 SBN-DEN.
Quoting boilerla (Reply 9): UA probably wants their EWR slots for high margin TATL and its connecting flows, not on something that would be low-yielding except for some ND home weekends.
They'd have better luck trying to get SBN-IAD or SBN-IAH where slots aren't at a premium and there are better chances for connecting flows.
Which is why, IMO, FWA-EWR would work better than SBN-EWR. Less O&D, more international/TATL connecting flows. If SBN-NYC is mostly O&D, they would be far better served with DL SBN-LGA.
Anyway, one of my friends is predicting Armageddon for a lot of the commercial service at smaller airports in Indiana and across the nation with the ATP rule coming into effect shortly. Personally, I don't think there will be much impact at FWA or SBN (not sure about EVV), as the airlines have had three years to prepare for this and (at least at FWA) almost all of the routes are high-yield/high-load. If airlines have to cut because of the ATP rule, they will cut the weak routes first. Your thoughts?
freakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 542 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9583 times:
Almost all of the regional airlines serving SBN and FWA are in compliance with the ATP rule. So no pilot Armageddon affecting SBN or FWA. I also have friends that fly for regionals and most of them have a lot of hours.
As to SBN-DFW routes they are talking to NK besides AA/American Eagle. . They have been also working on UA for SBN-IAH service for connections to Mexico and Central America. The real United long time ago had a SBN-DCA flight when John Brademas was the 3rd District Congressmen. Nonetheless they are still working with UA and DL for New York Service but the real bite they have on getting this service if they could get the slots is from SY.
FWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (6 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9539 times:
Quoting freakyrat (Reply 12): As to SBN-DFW routes they are talking to NK besides AA/American Eagle. . They have been also working on UA for SBN-IAH service for connections to Mexico and Central America.
I figured the other option was NK, but I still don't think SBN-DFW would work without AA's connections. SBN-IAH would be a good alternative, but UA's "punishment" to Houston by flight cutbacks for allowing WN int'l ops at HOU means that this is less likely than before.
tan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1847 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (6 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9531 times:
I sure would like to see Eagle upgauge the FWA-DFW flights, or at least 1 of them and add a third like they have had a time or two in the schedule.
Everytime I am one one, they are 100 full.(which is good..I just think they are leaving business on the table. A CR7 would make the trip to DFW a bit more pleasant and encourage more customers to choose that over an ORD connection.
FWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9494 times:
Quoting tan flyr (Reply 14): I sure would like to see Eagle upgauge the FWA-DFW flights, or at least 1 of them and add a third like they have had a time or two in the schedule.
As I have said before, there is no Eagle CR7 pilot base at DFW, plus the LAX base where the DFW CR7s come from is closing. Unless they plan on reopening the DFW CR7 base with the LAX base closure, the plane would have to be rotated in from another base like ORD. This may be a challenge as the FWA-DFW flights are timed for international connections at DFW.
I could see FWA-DFW among the first in line for larger aircraft if Eagle reopens the DFW CR7 base or if Eagle carriers get more 70-seaters. That said, with Eagle's traffic growth at FWA this year, I was surprised to see the 3rd FWA-DFW not return this winter (though as I mentioned earlier, the 4th FWA-ORD will return in April).
COSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1475 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9494 times:
Quoting freakyrat (Reply 7): The cost probably about 9 million including refurbished jetways etc. It would also take close to a year to build. It would also have the same special plastic roof as the new terminal does etc.
I think Indiana taxpayers are tired of wasting money on airports, Hundreds of millions of Indiana tax dollars have been wasted on the United IND MX base, with tools!!!!, IND Midfield terminal (nice but no extra gates)
paying Cape air to fly from FWA/SBN to IND for no reason..
Fixing up GYY is the only thing Indiana should be spending money on right now..becase that will bring in more $$ for the state in the long run...
FWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9478 times:
Quoting COSPN (Reply 16): paying Cape air to fly from FWA/SBN to IND for no reason..
Cape Air never flew FWA-IND, just SBN/EVV-IND (though there was almost GYY-IND service as well). FWA was invited to join in the Cape Air services, but Dave Young (FWA's ASD at the time) declined. Mr. Young did have an interest in FWA-EVV, but the powers that be also wanted FWA-IND flights if FWA were to sign on. Mr. Young's reasoning for not wanting FWA-IND was that IND is a much easier drive from FWA (2.5 hours and 100% interstate) than it is from SBN or EVV, which is also a reason why FWA leaks far more passengers to IND than SBN or EVV do.
However, TZ/C8 did briefly fly FWA-IND (which was switched from the initial FWA-MDW) to connect to the TZ focus city at IND. The C8 service was not linked in any way to the Cape Air service, and was bound to the same SCASD terms as the C8 MDW service. It was discontinued when C8 suspended operations and TZ dramatically cut IND.
Quoting COSPN (Reply 16): Hundreds of millions of Indiana tax dollars have been wasted on the IND Midfield terminal (nice but no extra gates)
No tax dollars are used to fund IND or the Indianapolis Airport Authority as a whole, nor were any used in the construction of the new IND terminal. SBN, FWA, and EVV do use some tax dollars for operation, and in the case of FWA, most of the tax dollars are used to pay off the remaining Kitty Hawk hub debt.
And though the new IND terminal is similar in gate count to the old terminal (40 vs. 38 or so), there is room to build at least ten additional gates to the existing concourses should the need arise. The old terminal had zero room for new gates.
freakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 542 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (6 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9432 times:
"I figured the other option was NK, but I still don't think SBN-DFW would work without AA's connections. SBN-IAH would be a good alternative, but UA's "punishment" to Houston by flight cutbacks for allowing WN int'l ops at HOU means that this is less likely than before."
You know they can bring Eagle back to SBN for svc SBN-ORD and have American (MD83's) fly SBN-DFW one or two R/T's a day like they were going to originally when Eagle was in SBN.
SBN seems to like LCC's. UA's sort of punishment to Houston has nothing to do with SBN getting service to IAH after all they still fly from GRR-IAH.
"No tax dollars are used to fund IND or the Indianapolis Airport Authority as a whole, nor were any used in the construction of the new IND terminal. SBN, FWA, and EVV do use some tax dollars for operation, and in the case of FWA, most of the tax dollars are used to pay off the remaining Kitty Hawk hub debt."
How much did the IMC (United 737 maintenance center) cost the Indiana tax payers ?? not just the money wasted on the tools and building, but when the mechanics were laid off it cost millions more in unemployment payments..
I would estimate about 1% of these MX workers were native Hoosiers, so it was just a huge waste..
Indiana needs to be more careful with their money BAA made millions for doing nothing at IND
FWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9343 times:
Quoting COSPN (Reply 19): BAA made millions for doing nothing at IND
When it came to luring new airlines and air service to IND, BAA Indianapolis did a far better job than the Indianapolis Airport Authority is doing today. If BAA didn't pack up and leave IND like they did, IND probably still would have had decent service levels to the West Coast.
And did you know that the new IND terminal was basically built to BAA's specifications?
FWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9306 times:
Quoting freakyrat (Reply 18): You know they can bring Eagle back to SBN for svc SBN-ORD and have American (MD83's) fly SBN-DFW one or two R/T's a day like they were going to originally when Eagle was in SBN.
I don't think it would be wise to start SBN-DFW om the Mad Dog, as FWA-DFW (from an airport similar in size and pax count to SBN) can only support 2 or 3 ERJ-145s per day (though I could see it going to 2 CRJ-700s per day). Keep in mind that Eagle's last stint at SBN was pre-9/11 (not counting AmericanConnection to STL that ran from 2001-03), and times have changed a lot since then.
And you're right that Eagle could do SBN-ORD either alone or in addition to DFW. However, SBN-ORD is served by about the same number of seats per day on UA as FWA-ORD is on UA and Eagle combined, which brings the risk of market oversaturation.
COSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1475 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9283 times:
Millions spent for a new airport in IND and the covered jet terminal at TYQ (Zionsville) , the rich cant get wet, I guess, but they tore down the bus station so the "poor" changing buses in Indy ,have to use crummy old toilets in the old Union Station basement, great image of Indianapolis 100 year old bathroom with no lock on the stalls...really sad...
25 tan flyr: Just thinking out loud here..is there a probability of any of the "eagle" branded carriers obtaining and thus using a few Q 400 to use on such short
26 FWAERJ: I remember reading on another thread here that AA was kicking the tires on some Q400s at Colgan back when they were around. I don't know the specific
27 freakyrat: American was going to do two maddog flights a day top DFW when Eagle served SBN but they could never agree on ground servicing rates for the aircraft
28 FWAERJ: Eagle ended SBN service late in 2000, so this had to be from 2000 or prior to then, which was also before 9/11. After the TWA merger, there was Ameri
29 freakyrat: Quoting FWAERJ "Eagle ended SBN service late in 2000, so this had to be from 2000 or prior to then, which was also before 9/11. After the TWA merger,
30 FWAERJ: Maybe MCO to start? Yes, I know that G4 already serves SBN-SFB, but F9 has been on a real MCO kick as of lately.
31 freakyrat: "Quoting FWAERJ " Maybe MCO to start? Yes, I know that G4 already serves SBN-SFB, but F9 has been on a real MCO kick as of lately." Hey don't give to
32 FWAERJ: I don't have any contacts at either SBN or F9, so I was just guessing the obvious.
33 freakyrat: I do think SBN-MCO is being looked at though. The real reason I believe that SBN was able to get F9 in beside the grant and all the letter writing by
34 FWAERJ: Any news regarding EVV besides the new jetways? Since G4 operates from nearby Owensboro (OWB) across the state line plus the fact that OWB just renova
35 capitalflyer: Agreed. UA is making IAD the primary East Coast hub, saving valuable slots at EWR for O&D and high yielding routes. Any connections will be only
36 freakyrat: SBN I'm sure has O/D traffic to the DC area being it Government or Notre Dame University traffic. A SBN-IAH connection would be of use for the Hispani
37 freakyrat: SBN has recently rebuilt the ramp under Gate A5 with reinforced concrete because the asphalt was melting this summer. The asphalt was giving way under
38 FWAERJ: As much as I could see SBN-IAD, I could see FWA-IAD first for three reasons: 1) there is very heavy traffic (much of it government and defense) betwe
39 csturdiv: I just drove it today on my way home to the Chicago area after visiting family in southern Indiana. It might be a while until the next phase is open
40 FWAERJ: Good trip report - I wasn't expecting one this soon. Once I-69 gets up to Bloomington shortly, connecting to a 4-lane road (that will eventually be c
41 FWAERJ: FWA's October numbers are in. Traffic is up 6.99% in October (and 2.39% year-to-date), with much of that growth coming from G4's FWA-PGD service (G4 b
42 FWAERJ: http://posttrib.suntimes.com/news/la...re-federal-funds-looking-good.html GYY should hear soon about $24 million in funding from the FAA to fund certa
43 BravoGolf: G4 loads are good. Now over 10K pax enplaned. PIE worked about 10 years ago with Southeast Airline.
44 FWAERJ: You've got a good point on GYY-PIE... and knowing Allegiant's typical city patterns, I personally think that route would be next in line before GYY-P
45 FWAERJ: FWA's November board meeting minutes were released today (the December meeting was today, and FWA always releases their minutes one meeting after the
46 Superfly: For many years, I've always wondered when they would ever complete I-69 thus completing the final cross in the crossroads state. I hope so. I'd like
47 FWAERJ: FWA's November stats are in: -3.85% increase versus November 2011 -2.56% increase year-to-date versus 2011 -All-airline load factors are 82% (they hav
48 Jetskipper: FWA gets two FedEx flights a day, the MEM-FWA-SBN flight on the 727-200 from the sort in Memphis, and the PVD-FWA-MEM flight on the 757-200 to the so
49 Jetskipper: I may be a day late, but for any South Bend spotters, Notre Dame flew a Delta A-330-300 to FLL for the national title game. http://flightaware.com/liv
50 FWAERJ: With G4's Airbus deliveries this year, could we see the resumption of FWA-LAS and/or an equipment switch on SBN-LAS to an A32x? As I have said before,
51 freakyrat: Qouting Jetskipper I may be a day late, but for any South Bend spotters, Notre Dame flew a Delta A-330-300 to FLL for the national title game. http://
52 Jetskipper: Wow, thanks for the correction, I must have missed that one. I remember a Tower Air 747-200 charter circa 1995 in South Bend for a National Guard cha
53 FWAERJ: Does anyone think that either SBN or FWA could gain WN service now that the "eight-flight rule" (which neither SBN nor FWA could meet) is dead and a m
54 exFWAOONW: I think WN will have to consider ground-handling costs moreso than other carriers. I don't think (and don't know) WN farms out their ground work. Thre
55 FWAERJ: WN does do subcontracted ground work at former FL stations, starting with EYW (2 flights per day). IIRC, the current WN ground contract says that all
56 LV: My brother works for a medical logistics company and he says the warehouse in Warsaw is bigger than the other three warehouses the company owns, comb
57 Jetskipper: I think the problem for SBN and FWA is that over 50% of the areas potential air travelers drive to either Chicago or Indianapolis for cheaper or direc
58 FWAERJ: DFW service, OTOH, is the most-requested new nonstop city from SBN. I have read that they are talking to both AA and NK regarding DFW, but does anyon
59 freakyrat: This is why SBN brought in F9 to stop some of the bleeding to MDW. WN's fares into MDW from some markets are higher than F9's into SBN with the connec
60 freakyrat: Here is a link to the old Notre Dame charter article. http://www.wndu.com/sports/headlines/36483874.html
61 FWAERJ: Some of WN's new ex-FL markets are in catchment areas under 1 million (see PWM, DSM, and ICT). None of those three airports fall under the (former) W
62 freakyrat: If WN comes into the SBN or FWA market what would that do to Delta's connecting service to ATL or DTW? I would assume that if WN would operate to BWI
63 FWAERJ: I would only expect a very slight impact to DL's ATL service if Florida flying is involved. You may be right on BWI (the most likely city for WN SBN
64 freakyrat: Just did a check of one way fares to typical westbound destinations from SBN on Frontier as compared to other airlines and SWA out of MDW. DEN - F9 -
65 FWAERJ: Not if you're checking two bags. In that case, add $120 to the UA and F9 fares from SBN, though the costs of MDW may still add up even with "bags fly
66 freakyrat: The flight I'm taking out of SBN to DEN is booked solid. When I checked a month ago there was 111 seats sold now it's all 138. I might add that the sa
67 freakyrat: Just checked F9's SBN-DEN flight today on Flightaware. The Flight was F9 #803 to DEN. The flight arrived at Gate A40 and the same plane left from that
68 Tan Flyr: While I am not sure of all the "rules" on United Express ops, to me in concept a CR7 FWA-DFEN make perfect sense. Move a bit of your longer flight cu
69 FWAERJ: Actually, it's number one. According to SBN management right before the F9 service was announced, the three most requested pre-F9 destinations from S
70 FWAERJ: IIRC, didn't AA use the F100 on FWA-ORD for a while in the early 90s, or was the market all-Eagle ATRs by then? I spoke with FWA management a few mon
71 Tan Flyr: FWAERJ...I don't recall 100's to FWA. They did to IND from ORD..but I think it went mainline to ATR's. (if they did use 100's, it must have been for
72 freakyrat: United did hack off a lot of people in SBN and FWA and it was Richard Ferris's fault for canceling all the mainline service and going from a point-to-
73 point2point: For both SBN and FWA, it would seem that a couple of daily flights with each to/from CLE with UA would do a world of good for both cities, as well as
74 freakyrat: United had B1900 and Dash 8 flights to Cleveland from both SBN and FWA and at one time had a United Express E135 on the morning flight to Cleveland ou
75 FWAERJ: They tried it, twice, and: I remember the stats from the second attempt of FWA-CLE on the B1900 and later the Q200, and it had 36% LFs. SBN-CLE was a
76 exFWAOONW: As I recall, they flew the F100s into FWA from ORD until they got rid of them. Then the 727 replaced the. But keep in mind, I paid very little attent
77 point2point: okay.... so it looks as though I've inadvertently answered my own concern.....
78 FWAERJ: Actually, the 727 came first when AA opened the FWA station in the early 1980s, first with -100s and later -200s. Then FWA-ORD went to a mix of mainl
79 FWAERJ: IIRC, back in the days of the AA BNA hub, didn't Eagle fly FWA-BNA with Jetstreams in addition to the ORD F100/ATR service? And did Eagle fly SBN-BNA
80 Tan Flyr: I used that connection several times, and as I recall they were Saabs each time. Maybe a mix of J31's at one time?
81 COSPN: When did Delta cut IND-LAX ??? Hope UA can add SFO-IND ...
82 FWAERJ: I thought it had been reduced to less-than-daily service and not cut entirely. If it was cut entirely, it's not a good sign for IND, as they have bee
83 FWAERJ: Full-year 2012 numbers for FWA are in: http://www.fwairport.com/images/gall...ry/AirlineActivitySummary.2013.pdf FWA capped off 2012 with a YTD passen
84 capitalflyer: Just looking at flights to SBN in March and all flights are now on E145. This continues the trend of declining seats into SBN from both UA and DL. And
85 capitalflyer: SBN is down a little over 2% as of November 30 in pax. This is even with Allegiant up 25% and a new F9 flight. Direct result of cuts from UA (down abo
86 freakyrat: DL also doesn't have the morning flight to MSP from SBN anymore and the reason almost all SBN-ORD flying is on E145's is that United moved the CRJ/CRJ
87 freakyrat: I might add that United Express parks 2 jets at SBN overnight one Expressjet E145 and one Shuttle America E170.
88 FWAERJ: Don't you mean wouldn't? DL is maxed out on doable hubs from FWA anyway at ATL, DTW, and MSP: CVG will probably never return, MEM is being reduced fu
89 freakyrat: The reason SBN is down in November is its the end of the Notre Dame Football Season and the weekend mainline service on those weekends. Also Delta no
90 freakyrat: F9 also came into SBN on October 13th so the SBN November numbers probably didn't include F9's passenger numbers as it was probably too early to compi
91 FWAERJ: An article from WANE.com on FWA's passenger numbers increasing in 2012: http://www.wane.com/dpp/news/local/b...-international-airport-during-2012 FWA
92 FWAERJ: FWA is about to launch a new website, the first redesign since FWA launched their current logo and brand in 2008. A preview version will be available
93 FWAERJ: Another FWA new website update: No dedicated app or "lite" mobile site. Instead, the new FWA site will use a CSS3-based responsive layout that will sc
94 exFWAOONW: Do ASA aircraft still arrive at FWA?
95 FWAERJ: ASA hasn't been around for a while (it's now ExpressJet, retaining the EV code), but EV still flies into FWA - I was on an EV CR2 last September from
96 capitalflyer: These were year over year numbers, not month to month. So they were down 2% from November 2011. F9 numbers were included in November stats.
97 FWAERJ: IIRC, airports have to start including data for a new airline or route the day it starts. When G4 launched FWA-MYR and FWA-PGD, the numbers were fact
98 FWAERJ: Another update on the new FWA website launching soon from FWA's Facebook page: Unlike the current website with an Adobe Flash header (and at one time,
99 exFWAOONW: Going with an older photo of something that no longer exists detracts from the image you're trying to convey, i.e. a modern way to travel. Might as w
100 FWAERJ: That said, while I like keeping things as up-to-date as possible, most people will just see the name and logo on the fuselage and/or tail and think "
101 FWAERJ: Any news at EVV? It's seemed awfully quiet there over the past few months. Since G4 went across the state line to OWB, does F9 to MCO and/or DEN sound
102 LoneStarMike: IND has now posted their official year-end totals. Since the article you linked to only gives the number of enplanements, and a general overview, her
103 FWAERJ: Still bad when IND was pumping almost 9 million combined enplanements and deplanements through the old terminal, limitations and all, in 2005.
104 COSPN: so spent a Billion dollars for a New terminal for 7 million PAX, when the old one did 9 Million ??? More Indiana tax money wasted, then the City sells
105 FWAERJ: IND does not use state or local tax dollars to fund their operations. They use a mixture of fees to the airlines and other tenants, passenger facilit
106 freakyrat: SBN's new concourse cost just 12+ million and the main building has the intercity bus terminal right inside as it has for many years. All transportati
107 FWAERJ: SBN was actually the first airport in the US set up with intercity buses, airlines, heavy commuter rail (not regional light rail/subway service), and
108 FWAERJ: I've only seen photos, but for such a modest budget, it looks like SBN management did a very good job with their new concourse. When FWA does their o
109 freakyrat: But what you folks didn't know was that in the original plans, the SBN concourse was suppose to be another half level up and have 3/4 height loading b
110 exFWAOONW: So, to extend the argument to its logical limits, you'd be OK with a photo of a TWA a/c? They (survivor AA) serve FWA. What I'm trying to say, either
111 FWAERJ: Yes, the 4 new jetways are included in my estimates along with the new and/or extended concourses to accomodate the extra jetways. The 4 current FWA
112 FWAERJ: FWA's website at www.flyfwa.com (along with its sister sites fwairport.com and smdairport.com) all started displaying a "Service Unavailable" message
113 FWAERJ: I noticed an "executive session only" part under the marketing/air service development committee portion of the agenda for FWA's next board meeting on
114 freakyrat: The DGS folks at SBN seem to think that all DL flights out of SBN to ATL, DTW and MSP will go over to 70+ seaters in the future also.
115 capitalflyer: If they do, expect a cut in the number of flights to go along with it.
116 freakyrat: The flights at SBN will probably stay the same even with 70+ seaters. 3 R/T to ATL, 6 to DTW and 1 to MSP with 2 more MSP R/T's added in the summer as
117 FWAERJ: I could see the same scenario at FWA: we currently have 3 R/Ts to ATL, 4 to DTW, and 1 to MSP (suspended until March). And all the flights tend to be
118 freakyrat: Just went to the SBN website and noticed that the last United Express flight to ORD today at 5:15 PM is cancelled. This is all the major companies fau
119 FWAERJ: They seem to be a bit more cooperative here at FWA. I was at FWA during some difficult weather in March 2009, flying UA to ORD and then MCO. Several
120 freakyrat: That's why many people in SBN would like to see Eagle back to give UA some competition to ORD and maybe flights to DFW. I think that may be coming aft
121 FWAERJ: Another reason for a switch to larger aircraft besides F seats: DL wants to reserve 50-seaters for flights under 450 miles, down from under 750 miles
122 Jetskipper: With the AA/US merging seeming increasingly imminent, it might be interesting to discuss the Indiana implications. IND - has always been a very establ
123 FWAERJ: US already flies IND-PHX twice daily. I could see IND-LAX, though, as it's an extremely underserved market compared to ten, five, or even three years
124 freakyrat: Here is a link to an article concerning GYY's interest in a public-private partnership to run the airport. http://www.nwitimes.com/business/loc...d-a7
125 FWAERJ: Why not? IND was run by a public-private partnership (BAA Indianapolis) for almost 15 years and was better-managed then than they are now.
126 csturdiv: I cannot remember if I asked this in a previous thread. Is there a site that shows historic air traffic routes? Or d If I remember right (which I may
127 FWAERJ: There was EVV-PIT, which ended around the same time EVV-CLT went from Express to mainline. FWA-PIT and SBN-PIT ended around the same time as EVV-PIT,
128 csturdiv: Thanks, I remember that the US check in desk was next to the AA check in. I used to fly EVV-ORD-EVV a lot, first when it was on ATR and then when MQ w
129 FWAERJ: Until recently, you could actually see the gray pinstriped US ticket counter backdrop minus the US Airways Express signage at FWA. NW (PinnPro) and l
130 csturdiv: Yeah, I wonder if there will be an American Eagle service from EVV-CLT now, or maybe EVV-PHL? I've always wished better for my hometown airport, but w
131 Tan Flyr: My bet is 2 daily CLT and 1 DCA..within 1 year from formal merger (august??) and a third DFW.
132 FWAERJ: I think we could see the third DFW or equipment upgrades to 70-seat jets on FWA-DFW even before the AA/US merger happens. CLT and DCA will have to wa
133 FWAERJ: At IND, the only airport in Indiana where AA and US both operate, the new AA will be #3 in market share behind #1 WN (including FL flights) and #2 DL.
134 freakyrat: I just got back from a trip to San Juan, PR. and I was observing the loading bridges at San Juan at the American gates. The sit quite low. I think the
135 FWAERJ: Well, that didn't take long: there's a shot of the producers of the new FWA commercial filming it in the terminal on the FWA Facebook page. Added link
136 exFWAOONW: What ad agency put up the billboards on northbound I-69 that said, " if you flew FWA, you'd be home now" ?
137 FWAERJ: That was Marketshare+, FWA's first ad agency from 1998-2000 - and the exact wording was "Save Precious Time. Fly from Fort Wayne International Airpor
138 FWAERJ: Another day, another shot from the filming of FWA's new TV ads, this time by local filming company PUNCH Films (which is a production company that han
139 FWAERJ: FWA's activity report for January just came out: http://fwairport.com/uploads/page/ACTIVITYREPORT_JAN2013.pdf December, January, and February are typi
140 freakyrat: Good news for SBN Delta's morning flight from SBN to MSP returns on March 2. Allegiant also steps up their flights in March for Spring Break. United E
141 FWAERJ: Same day that DL resumes FWA-MSP after the seasonal suspension. Like normal, they're doing that at FWA, too. SFB goes from 2x to 3-4x/week and PIE go
142 FWAERJ: SBN expanded their parking loyalty program where one can earn miles to include concessions: http://articles.southbendtribune.com...rogram-south-bend-r
143 freakyrat: I thought that SBN Tower closes from Midnight till 5.
144 FWAERJ: Must be why there's no cutbacks there. But I am concerned that if the GYY tower closes, G4 will pull their service from there as they probably don't
145 freakyrat: Just a little but of statistical information from the SBN website form December 2012. Frontier deplaned 1729 passengers in SBN from DEN and boarded 20
146 freakyrat: Pulling Stats from The FAA SBN is one of the busiest TRACON's for its size in the country. With the exception of Indianapolis, They beat out FWA, EVV,
147 Jetskipper: The reason SBN TRACON's numbers are so high compared to the number of tower operations is because South Bend Approach handles all flights inbound to
148 exFWAOONW: Well, yeah. I'd say if Gary had a tracon, its numbers would probably excede the combined totals of the rest of the state.
149 FWAERJ: Here's a press release with more on FWA's new website, including the technology behind it: http://fwairport.com/news/airport-au...site-improves-access
150 atlengineer: It seems to me that FWA/DEN would be primarily FWA/FWA area O & D. What would be the possibility of DL flying this route since they are big in FW
151 FWAERJ: I know from past conversations with FWA management that while FWA-DEN actually has more O&D than SBN-DEN (which has nonstop service), the route w
152 FWAERJ: DL's seasonal (March through November) FWA-MSP service resumed on 3/2, and is going double-daily for the summer, with an evening departure in addition
153 freakyrat: SBN-MSP is now two times a day. As for F9 SBN-DEN load factors are back on the increase. This is good news. Remember they started service in SBN Octob
154 FWAERJ: FWA's is now in the low-to-mid 80s as well, with G4 flights often full. For similar reasons, Eagle's FWA-DFW often parks either at DFW Terminal D its
155 freakyrat: SBN also has a large hispanic population that would avail themselves of SBN-IAH on United or SBN-DFW on Eagle if they will return. Anyway here is a li
156 FWAERJ: FWA also has a large Hispanic population, but most of the people connecting to Mexico after flying FWA-DFW are not flying south of the border for VFR
157 capitalflyer: I haven't heard that it is ahead of schedule. According to MWAA the construction on phase two will take 5 years from the awarding of contract (which
158 CplKlinger: I can't verify what kind of shape the 732 is in, but it is indeed still there, or at least is was about two weeks ago when I last went by there. If I
159 A340Spotter: Thanks...from a friend, the airplane is apparently due to ferry out to HNL in the coming week or two (based on info obtained last week). Plane is app
160 CplKlinger: Guess I'm making a trip tomorrow. I'm only 20 minutes away.
161 FWAERJ: Phase 1 was originally to have opened in 2015 and not midyear this year, so it is ahead of schedule. And Bechtel (the primary contractor for the Silv
162 FWAERJ: IIRC, Ivy Tech's A&P program moved to SMD (Smith Field) here in Fort Wayne several years ago, partly because Ivy Tech now has a flow-through agre
163 FWAERJ: FWA's numbers are in for February: http://fwairport.com/uploads/page/ACTIVITY_02_2013.pdf Year-over-year pax are down about 6%, partly due to fewer fl
164 FWAERJ: With G4 now using the A319 at times on FWA-PGD (see my posts on the G4 Airbus thread for more including a trip report), and Eagle as G4's ground handl
165 tan flyr: Well..FWIW, I'd love to see an upgage on the FWA-DFW service..be it an E-175 or a 319 someday. As we all know here on Airliners.net, we ARE the best a
166 freakyrat: I also think AA will return to SBN after the merger with Eagle service to DFW.
167 FWAERJ: As I have said before, the most requested destination from SBN is DFW, so that makes sense. Maybe AA could add a CLT flight to both SBN and FWA as we
168 freakyrat: FWAERJ I think AA was waiting to emerge from bankruptcy and also get thru the merger with USAirways because I've heard that USAirways is somewhat itch
169 FWAERJ: I don't think that NK would work on SBN-DFW, as one of the biggest reasons why Eagle's FWA-DFW is successful is AA's DFW hub (even though the route h
170 capitalflyer: Examining the 2012 numbers for SBN show some distress. While new service is great, the numbers tell a different story. December 2012 pax load was only
171 freakyrat: UA's service to SBN is very crappy also. What United did was move the larger CRJ7's to Houston and moved the E145's and E135's to ORD. It's not only S
172 freakyrat: OK here is SBN's average weekly flights per airline and average seats available: Allegiant: 11 MD80 flights per week on average with an average of 150
173 FWAERJ: FWA's average weekly seats for March, from highest to lowest: DL: 55 flights/week, all on CR2s; total 2,750 seats/week combined to ATL, DTW, and MSP
174 freakyrat: Looks like United will actually increase some seats in SBN on some days of the week starting in April as the E170's return to SBN on a number of fligh
175 FWAERJ: Here at FWA, Eagle is going from 3x to 4x daily to ORD this Wednesday (3x ERJ-140, 1x ERJ-145). DFW remains at 2x ERJ-145s. DL is also bringing back
176 FWAERJ: I was at FWA today to pick up an item that I won off of their public surplus auction site, which has sold everything from Coke glasses to pickup truck
177 freakyrat: United Express has the new United Globe Logo (Still Continental to me) on their ticket counter at SBN.
178 FWAERJ: Makes me wonder what's taking so long at FWA then...
179 freakyrat: Just looked at the topic concerning Delta Load factors at LGA post their expansion there. Most were around the 74% mark with the exception of LGA-ATL
180 FWAERJ: For SBN, I would agree because of the ties between the two cities, not to mention Notre Dame. But UA at EWR would be a better fit for FWA because of
181 FWAERJ: Remember how the guy from Asher (FWA's ad agency) said to me that the new FWA TV ads were going to be funny? The first two came out the chute today, a
182 FWAERJ: With the news that AA is launching IND-LAX soon, it basically means that IND will be connected to almost every cornerstone but NYC in the merged AA+US
183 capitalflyer: Looking at SBN's numbers For Jan 13 and it appears the leakage has stopped at least temporarily. UA had a healthy increase in pax for the month year o
184 freakyrat: DL could increase their market share by offering and E170 nonstop to LGA out of SBN. The ATL flights that I always took into and out of SBN for exampl
185 FWAERJ: FWA's numbers for March just came in as well: http://fwairport.com/uploads/page/AirlineActivitySummary_2013.pdf -Total FWA pax for March are up 4.42%
186 FWAERJ: As long as Pinnacle has a maintenance base at FWA, 9E will be the Delta Connection king of FWA. We have been seeing more ExpressJet at FWA on ATL rou
187 freakyrat: I stand corrected DL DTW and MSP flights out of SBN are on 9E.
188 FWAERJ: One thing I noticed in the FWA activity report for this month is that the average fare from SBN, even with a network LCC in the form of F9, is now hig
189 freakyrat: Actually the SBN fares are lower than the Southwest fares from MDW to the same destinations F9 or United fly to. I'm not sure about Delta fares but be
190 FWAERJ: This makes me think that the increasing fares from SBN are from routes where F9 isn't a factor (including eastbound non-G4 routes). In turn, these hi
191 freakyrat: Qouting FWAERJ (Reply190) This makes me think that the increasing fares from SBN are from routes where F9 isn't a factor (including eastbound non-G4 r
192 FWAERJ: Funny you mention this. When comparing vacation package prices to Orlando for a trip with some friends and family last year on days when G4 was flyin
193 FWAERJ: I was lucky enough to catch a ride on the CO 737-100 (still in the all-coach PEOPLExpress configuration with leather seats) between Stapleton and IAH
194 7e72004: Does anyone know why they didn't put the security area in a more centralized area-such as where the old viewing area was? It's not that bad of a walk
195 FWAERJ: Are you referring to SBN? Speaking of security areas, when FWA replaces the ground-level gates with jetway gates in the future, the plan is to flip t
196 7e72004: Yes-referring to SBN? The viewing area now gives a view of the back of the new terminal
197 freakyrat: The security area is located where it is at SBN because if it was located at the old viewing area it would inconvenience the airlines in getting their
198 FWAERJ: Two pieces of news from IND - one air service loss, one parking rate increase. First, the air service loss: It looks like Vision is not resuming their
199 freakyrat: Loads into and out of SBN during the Indy500 race weekend look very good. Maybe fans found lower fares and are driving to the race. Also according to
200 freakyrat: Just checking Seat Guru airlines including F9 are booked pretty full into and out of SBN during the Notre Dame Commencement weekend.
201 FWAERJ: US 31 through Kokomo is still a headache, though. Wonder if FWA is seeing a bump as well?
202 7e72004: What's the progress on the 31 bypass around Kokomo? I loved the Cape Air ind-sbn flights when they had them for a brief time.
203 capitalflyer: I am not as optimistic as many of you in regards to new flights from DL and UA. Both have engaged in massive reductions of flights nationwide in an ef
204 FWAERJ: Not so much at FWA as at SBN, though. UA has been stuck at 3 flights daily to ORD from FWA since the recession hit (pre-2008, they had 4 departures).
205 FWAERJ: I had read on the FWA Facebook page a while back a rumor that FWA-CVG may be coming back. Normally, most of the talk about CVG is along the lines of "
206 capitalflyer: Rather than getting service back to CVG, I would think it preferable to add frequencies to DTW which has more connection possibilities. For a new city
207 FWAERJ: There's also a big Amish population here in FWA. In fact, one of the five Walmart stores here is optimized for the large local Amish population. I do
208 Superfly: Is their any shuttle service to the nearby train station at GYY? The Clark Rd/Gary airport stop in the South Shore Line (NICTD) is only 1 mile from th
209 jetskipper: Might be easier just to take the South Shore all the way to the South Bend Airport. The train drops off directly at the terminal and there are nearly
210 jetskipper: The summer flying for Delta is getting loaded into their reservation system on the 26th. As we've seen on other topics, Moline is getting mainline ser
211 FWAERJ: I could see mainline DL (FWA's first since 1998) on the late morning and/or afternoon FWA-ATL flights (where a 9E RON is not an issue) in lieu of the
212 FWAERJ: There is: GPTC Line 12. Buses operate Monday through Saturday and the fare is $1.60. Schedules: http://www.gptcbus.com/October%20201...City%20Connect
213 freakyrat: I think we may see DC95 mainline at SBN on SBN-ATL and SBN-DTW as we once had but my outside bet is on A319's to ATL as they are cheaper to run even w
214 jetskipper: I would be surprised if we ever see DC-9 service again to SBN, considering Delta only has 18 remaining in their fleet. I agree that the A319 and then
215 7e72004: I will miss those 9'ers...the last time I saw one to sbn was when I flew one from dtw-sbn in November of 1998 or 1999
216 Superfly: Gary, Indiana is my hometown & birthplace. As an aviation buff, I feel that I should fly in & out of there just once. Gosh, I haven't rode on
217 freakyrat: I just had a discussion with a Facebook friend about mainline at SBN. A return of mainline service on Delta and including Allegiant and Frontier mainl
218 FWAERJ: Interesting fact of the day: Per FWA's Facebook page, after the departure of marketing and air service director Dave Young (the man who brought Allegi
219 FWAERJ: All four jetways at FWA (Gates 5 through 8) are full-height and the gate spaces can handle up to a 757, as that part of the FWA concourse was planned
220 capitalflyer: No Dice. UA is actually cutting capacity at SBN over the summer, reducing E170 frequency to 0 most days and doing the typical RON during July. Current
221 IndyWa: No contract? UA shifts the E70 flying around constantly...every month there is usually some new city, some city dropped. No such thing as not having
222 FWAERJ: While not the case most of the time, some regional routes are stuck on certain operators. In the case of UA, there are a small number of at-risk (as
223 freakyrat: United Express will still operate a SBN-EWR flight on some ND home football weekends. DL will still use a combination of CR9's and mainline aircraft f
224 freakyrat: I checked the United schedule SBN-ORD-SBN for the flights in July and they still show 6 R/T's a day including an evening Shuttle America E170 flight.
225 freakyrat: Just checked on SeatGuru.com for some sample F9 SBN-DEN, DEN-SBN flights to see how loads are doing. Seems like Michiana folks are discovering Frontie
226 FWAERJ: LAF is conducting a master plan study: http://www.jconline.com/article/2013...ng-master-plan-public-input-sought But as could be expected, bringing co
227 FWAERJ: Fort Wayne's original and other airport, Smith Field (SMD), is replacing their small 1978 terminal with a relatively new refurbished structure in June
228 FWAERJ: FWA's April numbers are in. http://fwairport.com/uploads/page/ACTIVITY_04_2013(1).pdf Overall pax boardings were flat over last April. G4 was up 17% (
229 freakyrat: I wish SBN would post their numbers past January on their website. In January United was up, Delta was down, Allegiant was up, Frontier was a little f
230 Tan Flyr: Yes, Interesting and not much discussed point. As I understand it the P2P stuff matches the eventual SWA program. The question will then be, will tho
231 FWAERJ: From the northwest side of Fort Wayne, it's almost a wash in terms of travel times between DTW, IND, and DAY since US 24 got widened to a four-lane d
232 FWAERJ: Two pieces of news at IND: 1) As of 5/9, the old IND terminal, vacant for four and a half years, is finally in the process of being demolished. The te
233 Tan Flyr: The response from 2 of the family members that travel down there indicated that have used the PGD service..when the schedules work out. the nickel an
234 freakyrat: Here is link to an article about the terminal at SBN and it's unique roof material. http://www.kalwall.com/rcntproj/90.htm
235 7e72004: Is it me or does the vacant old IND terminal look like/remind of the empty airport in The Langoliers (Stephen king movie). ?
236 freakyrat: SBN's numbers for March are in March. Enplanements are up 12.19 % over March of 2012 and Deplanements are up 14.34 % over March of 2012. Allegiant Enp
237 capitalflyer: UA is in trouble at SBN. F9 is kicking its butt. The entire decrease for UA can be attributed to the arrival of F9. Seems there is a big market for we
238 iowaman: Due to length, this thread will be archived. Part nine is available here: Indiana Aviation: Part 9 (by iowaman May 24 2013 in Civil Aviation)