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Would A DL AZA-ATL Route Work?  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6571 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

With the East Valley region in the Phoenix metropolitan area growing at a very fast rate (particularly Chandler, Gilbert, Queen Creek, San Tan Valley, and the eastern part of Mesa), does anyone think DL could serve AZA in the future?

While the only airlines currently serving (or plan on serving) AZA are LCCs, I would think that there would be enough demand in the East Valley for at least a daily A319 flight to ATL. DL is the third largest airline out of PHX, and I am pretty sure there is a large enough DL FF base in the East Valley to warrant such a flight out of AZA without having too much impact on the PHX flights. DL currently has 6x daily flights on PHX-ATL, with one of the flights being on a domestic 763 until November 26.

So, what does anyone here think?


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User currently offlineneveragain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
So, what does anyone here think?

Such service would be inconsistent with reduced service from ATL to secondary airports on the west coast (OAK, ONT, BUR, SJC).

And DL would have to compete with the LCCs you mention in pricing, especially if it's only flying one flight a day, which doesn't provide much flexibility for business travelers. Of course, the passenger could fly out of AZA and back into PHX if he had to, but that wouldn't work for the majority of people who drive to the airport.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

I would think SLC-AZA is the most likely if anything and not likely. The best chance is if they think theres a unique market that the airport would help or airline they need to preserve market share on. We see markets like BUR, ONT, SJC, LGB, OAK working out well from SLC. If spirit were to launch SLC or MSP to AZA which seems very unlikely i think that would be the best motiavation for them to go in. Look at jetblue on SLC-LGB i am pretty sure it is the only reason they fly to LGB.

I just dont see Delta wanting to add expense of an additional airport for no reason


User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1371 times:

Oo aza-slc 2x daily makes better sense , or 1 to slc and 1 to lax

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

I would say no. IWA and PHX are too close together, 35 minutes apart or so. If one cannot handle the 35 minute drive to PHX, then they shouldn't be living out in East Valley.

PHX, IMO, does not need two airports. Sky Harbor is just fine.



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User currently offlineskywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1368 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
PHX, IMO, does not need two airports. Sky Harbor is just fine.

You'd think but AZA has been growing like crazy ever since G4 started up there. Probably to soon for a non LCC but who knows.


User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1368 times:

I truly think that any SoCal and even sjc on a legacy regional affiliate would boom. It wouldn't cut into yields at PHX with a singel or double daily rj. Biz travelers could use it and the east valley hosts intel, orbital, ........

User currently offlineOOsnowRat From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1368 times:

I had a conversation with OO's market development guy a few months ago. He said DL has no interest in serving AZA, which sort of precludes OO from serving AZA, too (at least in DL colors).

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1368 times:

Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 5):
You'd think but AZA has been growing like crazy ever since G4 started up there

I was going to A&P school before G4 ever set up shop at IWA. G4 came before I graduated, but it wasn't much. I assume its still not much today either despite the fact that F9 now flies there.

I seriously doubt that the "boom" will get bigger than it is now. Sure, the market is there for the East Valley folks, but not enough of it, IMO. PHX has much more choices and better options and that won't ever change.

I prefer PHX over IWA for my flying options and that will never change. Lets just say I'm not convinced that IWA is going to be booming as a lot of people think it will be, but that's for another thread.



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5671 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1368 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
does anyone think DL could serve AZA in the future?

Could they serve it? Sure, they could give it a go.

Will they? Nope, and certainly not from ATL.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 2):
I would think SLC-AZA is the most likely if anything and not likely.

Yep. Remember, G4 just started AZA-OGD.



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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3128 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

If DL were thinking about this, they would do a cost-benefit analysis. In my mind, the cost of adding a completely new station, with new employees, new equipment, new leases, etc. at AZA will outweigh the benefit of adding the new station, and continuing to serve only PHX, and adding any necessary capacity to PHX and PHX only.

G4 and NK are another story. They have entered the Phoenix market by serving AZA. costs are lower there, and they do not have a split operation with PHX. In the same scenario, you could say - why don't NK and G4 serve PHX as well... and my answer would be the same as above for DL... it's just not worth the costs.

'902



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User currently offlinemach2is2slowaz From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1368 times:

Living in the East Valley (South/East Chandler) I would much rather fly out of AZA. It is only about a 10 min drive vs. 30min to PHX and then having to deal with parking and T4 security. Also people flying in to AZA wouldn't have to drive to the (what I think was a poor idea) rental car facility west of Sky Harbor. Trying to get to the Rental car lot and to the Airport from the East Valley during rush hour traffic is a night mare and easily adds 30+ min in travel. And Yes I have had to drive from Chandler to the rental car lot at PHX to catch a flight out at 6pm when I was working in COS. Intel already flies out of AZA to Portland and Santa Clara and has a morning/evening shuttle from both Chandler campuses to Gateway.

User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3128 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1367 times:

Quoting mach2is2slowaz (Reply 11):
It is only about a 10 min drive vs. 30min to PHX

How much of a premium would you pay to save yourself 20 minutes of driving? Would that premium cover DL's added costs of operating another station?

'902



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User currently offlinemach2is2slowaz From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1367 times:

If the price is right I would pay a little more for the connivance and ease of flying out of Gateway vs. Sky Harbor. Maybe $50 bucks or so? There are other factors other than just saving 20min of driving time, traffic congestion (frustration), parking, shuttle ride from parking to the terminal, security lines, etc. There are times at PHX in Terminal 4 that it takes over 45 min to get thru security. Also the super shuttle and taxi fares would be substantially cheaper as well, right now a cab fare from PHX to home is $65 bucks. To IWA it is 15$. Traffic going to IWA is never as bad as trying to get thru the Broadway curve or 101/202 loops during rush hour. So with all that said, yes, I would pay a bit more to fly out of IWA vs. PHX.

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1367 times:

Quoting mach2is2slowaz (Reply 11):
Also people flying in to AZA wouldn't have to drive to the (what I think was a poor idea) rental car facility west of Sky Harbor.

You don't even have to do this at PHX. You get on a shuttle bus to their very nice rental car facility. No hassle at all.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1367 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
does anyone think DL could serve AZA in the future?

Would be nice to see but no, won't happen.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 2):
I would think SLC-AZA is the most likely if anything and not likely.

        

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 3):
Oo aza-slc 2x daily makes better sense , or 1 to slc and 1 to lax

I would like to see this as well but...

Quoting OOsnowRat (Reply 7):
I had a conversation with OO's market development guy a few months ago. He said DL has no interest in serving AZA, which sort of precludes OO from serving AZA, too (at least in DL colors).

Correct. DL mgmt. in PHX toured AZA a couple months ago for use as a diversion airport. That is it. I used to work out at AZA and some of my former coworkers were asking me if DL was coming out there, I told them not anytime soon and don't hold your breath either. With OO having their foot in numerous airline pools (AA,DL,US,UA,AS) they could try it with another of their parent carriers. The new American Connection or AS perhaps.

Quoting mach2is2slowaz (Reply 13):

If the price is right I would pay a little more for the connivance and ease of flying out of Gateway vs. Sky Harbor. Maybe $50 bucks or so?

I don't think it will be a $50 difference between AZA and PHX. It would be alot more.

Quoting mach2is2slowaz (Reply 13):
There are times at PHX in Terminal 4 that it takes over 45 min to get thru security.

Then fly another carrier in T3 or T2 if you think that is to long of a wait.



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User currently offlineVctony From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1367 times:

If AA and US do merge, this is even going to be less of an issue. While I don't expect a PIT type pulldown anytime soon, I do see a cut of at least 30-60 daily departures (and their associated arrivals). With extra capacity at PHX, there is going to be less of an incentive to use AZA for any carrier. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if PHX tries to court more LCCs in the event of an AA/US pulldown.

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