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Air Berlin Facing Major Job Cuts?  
User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 720 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2522 times:

Hi all, according to German news channel n-tv, AB plans a 10% job cut, which would affect more than 900 people. On 15 November, the Q3 figures will be published.

Nothing is official yet, though Tagesspiegel newspaper is citing AB boss Mehdorn from a speech he held this Monday that he "may not be able to keep his promise that AB can be restructured without cutting jobs". According to Mehdorn, the current situation the airline is in is "not because of its employees or the management, but politics is to blame".

source (German only): http://www.tagesspiegel.de/wirtschaf...massiven-stellenabbau/7385024.html


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

I don't think things will brighten up at AB until they truly decide what are they as an enterprise and place all their efforts on a single task.

Today they are trying to be 4 airlines in one. 1) European sun charter airline. 2) European hybrid LCC. 3) Longhaul scheduled operation 4) European network hub carrier.

This all goes back to the history of AB and how various airlines like LTU, Deutsche BA, Germania Express, Niki and legacy Air Berlin have been cobbled together under a single roof.

I also guess things need to play out with Etihad and if AB will remain in OW or move over to Skyteam.



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User currently offlinephotoshooter From Belgium, joined Feb 2010, 454 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2537 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
Today they are trying to be 4 airlines in one. 1) European sun charter airline. 2) European hybrid LCC. 3) Longhaul scheduled operation 4) European network hub carrier.

This all goes back to the history of AB and how various airlines like LTU, Deutsche BA, Germania Express, Niki and legacy Air Berlin have been cobbled together under a single roof.

Perhaps this could have worked if they all created an alliance.

I was already waiting for such news... Perhaps the future domination plans at BER might help them out a bit.



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User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

There is a reason why I'm burning all my AB miles as fast as I can.
I have lost all faith in this airline.



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User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8093 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

First of all, Air-Berlin is a fantastic airline. They have a very good product in Y - very comfortable seats, great entertainment, and the crews tend to be very good (experienced and pro but friendly as well). I am a huge fan and have had some great flights with them - including sightseeing at the North Pole.

They are hurting badly by putting a lot of eggs in the Brandenburg basket. Tegel is way too small for the operation they have there, let alone what they plan - which was supposed to take place at SXF ("BER") - and god knows how long before that is open, could be another year. Insiders are saying Oct 2013 easy. For Air-Berlin, this is an existential threat.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
This all goes back to the history of AB and how various airlines like LTU, Deutsche BA, Germania Express, Niki and legacy Air Berlin have been cobbled together under a single roof.

Don't forget Interflug, lots of their top people inc most of operations started their careers at SXF! Moving back there will be a homecoming for many - if it ever happens...



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User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 820 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2532 times:

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 3):
There is a reason why I'm burning all my AB miles as fast as I can.
I have lost all faith in this airline.

EY did not buy a major part of AB to let them go to the bankruptcy court. They have already put so much money into AB, that I expect them to have plans for ABs future role.

Regarding the EY-AF/KL and (forced) AB-AF/KL tie-up I still can not say if AB will be an feeder for this three new partners or if these codeshares will just bring additional revenue to ABs primary role as a real hub-and-spoke airline in the OneWorld network. At least AB and BA want the letter part and have plans for AB as a reliever (to LHR) on the Asia to Middle and Eastern Europe routes.


User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

Quoting CARST (Reply 5):
At least AB and BA want the letter part and have plans for AB as a reliever (to LHR) on the Asia to Middle and Eastern Europe routes.

But how is this going to work? EY won't let AB operate to any destinations beyond AUH. In terms of longhaul, AB is heavily focused on the USA.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

Quoting CARST (Reply 5):
ABs primary role as a real hub-and-spoke airline in the OneWorld network.

Is that what AB really is - a "real hub and spoke airline"?

To me as mentioned prior the biggest problem with AB is a lack of definition as to what its place in the market really is.

Quoting CARST (Reply 5):
At least AB and BA want the letter part and have plans for AB as a reliever (to LHR) on the Asia to Middle and Eastern Europe routes.

Seems much of AB operations eastward are restricted and guided by the EY relationship - certainly not beneficial to BA or OW.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9333 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

I saw just today that SK, a *alliance member, has a code share with Etihad on a CPH-DUS flight. So much to that.

Is AB a hib and spoke airline? Yes, they may have too many hubs, but they operate hub and spoke and one can check his bags through to the destination.

Is AB a leisure airline? Yes, but so are EZY and FR. look at all the routes, some only once a week, FR is opening and closing almost weekly. typical what any leisure airline does since decades.

AB has scheduled operations and offeres low fares.

So does LH, LH even charters aircraft to organisations like the DFB German Soccer association and others.

AB offeres more choices to passengers than FR. That may be expensive, but many people don't like that "sit down and shut up" attitude of FR.



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User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2618 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2529 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 4):
Tegel is way too small for the operation they have there, let alone what they plan - which was supposed to take place at SXF ("BER") - and god knows how long before that is open, could be another year. Insiders are saying Oct 2013 easy. For Air-Berlin, this is an existential threat.

The opening of BER is a necessary, if not sufficient condition for AB's profitability. Unfortunately BER will also be too small but at least it will be much better suited for handling connecting flights.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
At least AB and BA want the letter part and have plans for AB as a reliever (to LHR) on the Asia to Middle and Eastern Europe routes.

Seems much of AB operations eastward are restricted and guided by the EY relationship - certainly not beneficial to BA or OW.

I suspect that the original intention of AB management was OW, but they were forced into the AF-KL deal by EY, who may not have majority ownership but provides the cash that pays AB's bills, and therefore has a decisive influence. However, I see much more development potential for AB in OW than in Skyteam.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17446 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):

To me as mentioned prior the biggest problem with AB is a lack of definition as to what its place in the market really is.

  

Quoting r2rho (Reply 9):

The opening of BER is a necessary, if not sufficient condition for AB's profitability. Unfortunately BER will also be too small but at least it will be much better suited for handling connecting flights.

There are already too many hubs in Europe; in fact LH is turning into a bit of a European USAir of the 90s--too many hubs competing for the same traffic. Probably 2-3 of the LH group hubs are unlikely to last in the long run, so adding *another* hub in Europe is an extremely costly venture that is unlikely to work in the longrun, particularly in a city that really doesn't have the business demand to back it up (BER).



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User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 820 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2529 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):
There are already too many hubs in Europe; in fact LH is turning into a bit of a European USAir of the 90s--too many hubs competing for the same traffic. Probably 2-3 of the LH group hubs are unlikely to last in the long run, so adding *another* hub in Europe is an extremely costly venture that is unlikely to work in the longrun, particularly in a city that really doesn't have the business demand to back it up (BER).

Are you aware that AB is not part of the LH group? It is LHs only significant competitor in Germany.

LH = Star Alliance

AB = OneWorld

And when we are talking of BER as a hub we are talking about AB who want to move a good part of their operations to Berlin and establish BER as their hub in Middle Europe, compared to the LH Group at FRA, MUC and ZRH.


User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

Quoting CARST (Reply 11):
we are talking about AB who want to move a good part of their operations to Berlin and establish BER as their hub in Middle Europe

I don't think so. Once BER opens, AB will just move everything over from TXL, there will be no further relocation of flights. DUS won't shrink.



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User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 820 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 12):
I don't think so. Once BER opens, AB will just move everything over from TXL, there will be no further relocation of flights. DUS won't shrink.

Not DUS, but NUE. And A330s will come from both airports to BER.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17446 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

Quoting CARST (Reply 11):
Are you aware that AB is not part of the LH group? It is LHs only significant competitor in Germany.

Yes I know--LH is going to have to prune its own hubs. Europe in general is going to lose hubs and network carriers over the next few years--they already are. AB setting up yet another hub, and network, is going to be swimming against the tide.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9333 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

Quoting CARST (Reply 13):
Not DUS, but NUE. And A330s will come from both airports to BER.

are you sure? DUS is where the business is, not BER. They can't fill all these A330 at BER.

LH could not fill a D10 for the JFK flight at CGN so they moved it to DUS where they had an average 40 pax a day moe than they would have had at CGN.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
Yes I know--LH is going to have to prune its own hubs. Europe in general is going t

Europe is roughly 200 Million more people on a smaller area than the US.

LH hs 2 1/2 hubs in Germany FRA MUC (which is also an Italian hub) and DUS. VIE and ZRH are on their own and BRU as well. Once when traffic rights are moved to the EU jurisdiction, like it is already with the open skies agreement, it might be that hubs like BRU or VIE are moved.

I doubt that however.



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User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

According to Bloomberg:

Quote:
Air Berlin Plc (AB1) said quarterly profit rose 4.5 percent, trailing analysts’ estimates, even as a reorganization helped reduce spending at Europe’s third-largest discount airline.

Third-quarter earnings before interest and taxes climbed to 101.2 million euros ($129.1 million) from 96.8 million euros a year earlier, the carrier said in a statement today. That missed the 116.8 million-euro average of five estimates compiled by Bloomberg. Revenue rose 1.4 percent to 1.4 billion euros.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17446 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 15):
LH hs 2 1/2 hubs in Germany FRA MUC (which is also an Italian hub) and DUS. VIE and ZRH are on their own and BRU as well. Once when traffic rights are moved to the EU jurisdiction, like it is already with the open skies agreement, it might be that hubs like BRU or VIE are moved.

The US currently has 4 network carriers and a handful of LCCs; probably more than 10 hubs have bit the dust in the last decade or two. The LH group alone has 4 network carriers spread over 6+ hubs, and that's before considering any other European carrier. It's not so much that hubs will be 'moved' so much as they will cease to be viable; frankly I don't think more than one hub will survive in the longrun between ZRH/MUC/VIE. It's already crowded and it's only going to get moreso, particularly with growth flatlining.



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2957 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2529 times:

European aviation will likely be in for many changes over the coming few years, and AB is likely to feel the brunt of this due to its confused market position. Its trying to be everything to everyone, but failing to hit any real success in any of its areas.

As a few have stated, its needs to sort out its offering and focus on that first, then branch out if it can find a profitable niche in the crowded marketplace.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9333 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2529 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
The US currently has 4 network carriers and a handful of LCCs; probably more than 10 hubs have bit the dust in the last decade or two. The LH group alone has 4 network carriers

you cannot compare the US with Europe where a single market just exists since about 10 years. mWe have structures here, called countris or states, which have grown over centuries. Before the number of hiubs can be reduced, open sky agreements between the EU and third countries must be negotiated. This can take another decades or longer. Only then it will be possible to merge a carrier like Austrian into LH but even then, VIE would possibly be a valuable hub, only with less costs than before the merged operations.

Why give that up?



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2957 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2532 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 19):
Only then it will be possible to merge a carrier like Austrian into LH but even then, VIE would possibly be a valuable hub, only with less costs than before the merged operations.

I can see a point that there are many more focus cities targeting significant O&D pax numbers, but a reduction in hub flying will occur in the not too distant future.

As airlines look for further efficiencies, the only way to do this at a certain point is to increase co-operation with partners and re-evaluate the network.

Airlines can specifically target cities with strong O&D, but do not require a hub operation as this will bring greater operational efficiencies, limiting duplication of capacity from various hubs, whilst gaining increased yield potential and best serving the market needs of a city.


User currently onlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2532 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
The US currently has 4 network carriers and a handful of LCCs; probably more than 10 hubs have bit the dust in the last decade or two. The LH group alone has 4 network carriers spread over 6+ hubs, and that's before considering any other European carrier

Current hubs in the US for those 4 network carriers: EWR, PHL, IAD, CLT, ATL, MIA, CLE, DTW, MEM, ORD, DFW, IAH, MSP, DEN, PHX, SFO, LAX. Total: 17. We could add SEA (AS), HNL (HA), JFK (B6), plus WN"s non-hubs.

Current hubs in Europe: LIS, MAD, LHR, CDG, FCO, AMS, BRU, ZRH, MUC, DUS, FRA, VIE, CPH, HEL, IST. Total: 15.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9333 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 20):
I can see a point that there are many more focus cities targeting significant O&D pax numbers, but a reduction in hub flying will occur in the not too distant future.

It depends a lot on the structure of a country. Both the UK and France are centred on LON and PAR, whereas Germany is polycentric structured. The largest O&D area is Rhine/Ruhr centred on DUS. This allows slot constraint DUS a role a tertiary hub. The polycentric structure also gives more diversity. Germany can support 2 major and one smaller hub plus 3 large and about 5 smaller focus cities.

Efficient high speed rail changes the playgroud as well and increases the catchment area of FRA. In short, due to a higher population concentration in Europe and much better intermodal infrastructure, a comparison between Notrth America and Europe is difficult. The single market gives new opportunities, such as MUC having developed as a hub for northern Italy due to far better accessability and range of destinations than MXP. .

Point to point flying between non hub cities has long time been part of LH and due to the costs involved will now be transfered to 4U, so that's nothing new here either.



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User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

...and here come the figures: http://ir.airberlin.com/en/ir/financ...lin-increases-third-quarter-profit

Quote:
In the third quarter, airberlin was able to increase its net income to EUR 66.6 million (2011: EUR 30.2 million), an increase of more than 120 percent over the corresponding quarter of the previous year. The operating result improved by 4.5 percent to EUR 101.2 million (EUR 96.8 million). Revenue increased by 1.4 percent over the previous year, to EUR 1,395.1 million (EUR 1,375.5 million), despite a targeted capacity reduction of 5.4 percent. Capacity utilization increased slightly by 0.4 percentage points to 84.54 percent (84.14 percent). Yield (revenue per passenger) improved by 3.1 percent to EUR 115.84 (EUR 112.39). EBITDAR (Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, amortization and leasing expenses) increased by 3.8 percent to EUR 279.5 million (EUR 269.3 million). Total equity at the end of the quarter amounted to EUR 186.3 million, which corresponds to an equity ratio of eight percent.


So far, there has been no word of any job cuts.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9333 posts, RR: 29
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

according to FAZ 900 jobs will be axed


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25 MaverickM11 : Why not? The only difference are the obstacles to capacity cutting. That may be true, but it is only going to prolong the pain; the competitive issue
26 Post contains images ushermittwoch : I can't see VIE losing its status as a hub. Just look at the vast (imho by far the best) route network through Eastern Europe. It's the old Austro-Hun
27 PanHAM : I said that due to traffic rights the present situation will go on for some time to come. Plus, we haqve a single market, economical, but not politic
28 MaverickM11 : It's not about merging so much as managing capacity. The LH group has so many hubs doing the same thing, competing for the same traffic, and all that
29 CARST : Why do you think the LH hubs doing the same thing is a bad thing? As long as they don't take passengers away from each other it is a good system that
30 MaverickM11 : It's not just LH hubs, but also AF/KL, IB/BA, LCCs, and everyone else. There are too many hubs in Europe competing for the same traffic.
31 PanHAM : In Europe, the hubs have a historic background since the major hubs are where the nformer national carriers have their domicile. That makes us differe
32 MaverickM11 : The only difference is the obstacles to consolidation. The cost/revenue/traffic flow issues are virtually identical AF/IB/SK/LH/AB are all slashing a
33 UALWN : Well, as I mentioned above, there are more hubs in the US competing for a not too dissimilar amount of traffic...
34 MaverickM11 : How many hubs have closed in the US? How many full on mergers have there been in the US?
35 UALWN : And what does this have to do with your statement that there are too many hubs in Europe, when there are actually way more in the US?
36 MaverickM11 : Much more than the absolute count of hubs in the EU vs US--it's not about how many each region has, but how many they need, versus how many they have
37 UALWN : And how do you establish how many they need? The US has reduced the number of hubs (not by so many actually: STL, comes to mind, what else?), Europe
38 LJ : MEM, CVG. Moreover, not all EU hubs are having an equal importance. BRU, LIS and VIE are hubs for niche markets (BRU for Africa, LIS for Brazil and V
39 UALWN : MEM and CVG are still hubs of sorts... Although probably not for much longer.
40 RyanairGuru : To be fair to AB, this is a problem that seems to afflict other LCCs that become network carriers. I'm still struggling to understand precisely who V
41 UALWN : PIT was a bona fide hub. The rest? Not so much, really. Similarly, MXP was indeed an important AZ hub. Not so much for the rest.
42 Humberside : BCN has been 'rebuilt' into a short haul hub by Vueling
43 Post contains links RyanairGuru : At it's peak RDU had 211 daily departures: http://www.departedflights.com/AARDUhub.html BNA had 265: http://www.departedflights.com/AABNAhub.html DL
44 UALWN : I wouldn't call BCN a hub. It's just a place where you can connect from one VY flight to another. But there are no banks. If we add BCN, then we need
45 MaverickM11 : If multiple carriers in the region are on the verge of collapse, and/or slashing their workforce and cutting costs to remain viable, then there are s
46 UALWN : That might be true, but it's not directly related to the number of hubs. Agreed. So, again, there are many more hubs in the US than in the EU.
47 MaverickM11 : The two are really unrelated, since the traffic flows are so different. The US may be able to support more, for any number of reasons, but it is able
48 Post contains links LAXintl : Air France CEO says they want to see a partnership with AB and that this "depends on Etihad". No timeline is given, but AF says it wants to utilize a
49 Stratofish : I'm currently doing a research project on just that and let me tell you VIE is nowhere near the "hub into the east" it wants to be... But that's off
50 billreid : I envisioned the move to OW by AB as desperation. If AB is eventually driven to SKY then it will be very interesting. I see all the MIA as gone and t
51 PanHAM : joining an alliance is the way to do business these days. The interesting fact here is that AB is courted by 2 cpompeting alliances. To say it with t
52 billreid : This is true. But DL and AF would NEVER approve of another airline in the alliance overflying the Alliance. Whether KL wants to fly to FLA or not it
53 PanHAM : it is not aq charter operation. LTU started as a charter operation, as did AB, these flights are regular scheduled flights and they serve a particula
54 billreid : OK. Tell the German Tour Operators that! Yes you can buy a seat, but it is 90% supportd by the likes of TUI, Thomas Cook, Canusa, etc. Yes they do se
55 Post contains links LAXintl : Air Berlin to sell its 3-million member topbonus frequent flyer scheme - Air Berlin to sell its frequent flyer program http://atwonline.com/operations
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