LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26328 posts, RR: 50 Posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1382 times:
The DOT established proceeding to reallocated of two former Spirit Airlines within perimeter (1,250 miles) Air-21 slot exemptions at DCA.
Under the Air-21 rules the departments selection criteria consist of;
• New entrant air carriers or limited incumbent air carriers (hold fewer than 40 slots at DCA)
• Service to communities without existing nonstop air transportation to DCA.
• Service to smaller communities.
• Provide competitive nonstop air service on a monopoly DCA route.
• Produce competitive consumer benefits including low fares.
Applications due December 5, 2012.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
I don't think F9 really can apply. They just sold DCA slots to US Airways and didn't even get government approval for the transaction. I don't think they will get any more slots for the foreseeable future, although I hope they apply--- to enjoy reading the comments about that in the docket.
mikefrommke From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 351 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1389 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 5): I don't think F9 really can apply. They just sold DCA slots to US Airways and didn't even get government approval for the transaction. I don't think they will get any more slots for the foreseeable future, although I hope they apply--- to enjoy reading the comments about that in the docket.
F9 did not own those slots, Republic did. And as far as I know they are still under Republic ownership, just flying under US's banner now.
klwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2115 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1385 times:
I would love to see F9 reapply for COS-DCA. The Colorado Springs area is not a large city, but communities without service and smaller communities are considered. But there is a lot of military and high tech and non profits in the Springs. People from south metro DEN can also travel to COS.
Would love to see it happen. It didn't win last time. Maybe this time.
ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4630 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1390 times:
Quoting sdoyon (Reply 2): We'll definitely see something from WN/FL...maybe the return of the DCA-OKC application?
It would be logical that they would resubmit the application again. It was pretty much a no-brainer the last time, but was going up against retaining existing service. The only other competition was F9 to SDF which didn't seem to get much respect.
I'm hopeful we'll see the OKC application back, but sometime tells me they might just try for something else instead.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5682 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1395 times:
I hate to be a party-pooper here but this thread would be a lot more manageable and less cluttered if we would all -- and I include myself -- quit talking about any routes outside of the 1,250-mile perimeter; anything beyond that is irrelevant to the topic.
Quoting airliner371 (Reply 21): How could F9 justify getting a fourth flight when UA has one and WN has none. (They can't)
Have you looked at how FULL the F9 flights to DCA from DEN are these days? They are hardly non-rev-able anymore (which is not important)! That's how full they are. F9 can use a 4th somewhere in there. It is needed.
Call me anti-competitive and anti-WN but WN does not need a DEN-DCA. However, UA could use a 2nd slot.
DCA use to be one of the last great airports without WN presence/annoyance. It is sad to see that gone, IMO.
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airliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1391 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 23): Call me anti-competitive and anti-WN but WN does not need a DEN-DCA. However, UA could use a 2nd slot.
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 23): DCA use to be one of the last great airports without WN presence/annoyance. It is sad to see that gone, IMO.
Well based on what you just said they are right. I would say in this case especially you are letting your opinions get in the way of common sense. Because of this, lets move on and get back to topic of the in perimeter slot competition.
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"When everything seems to be going against you, remember that the airplane takes off against the wind, not with it."- HF
: That's a.net. But I'm not sure why is is even being discussed in a "within perimeter" thread. DEN-DCA is beyond perimeter. mariner
: I'm curious to see B6's plans, especially since they've been in growth mode in DCA over the past year.
: Republic and Frontier are the same company. There is no effective distinction. You are incorrect. The DCA slots were sold to US Airways. BB said just
: Flew that on a middle of day in middle of month during no holiday ... both ways, 99% full.
: No, I'm not. The slots you speak of were never Frontier's to begin with. They were Republic's and/or Midwest's. The only DCA slots that Frontier had
: I can see WN trying DCA-HOU or DCA-OKC Fly
: At the very least, there is the distinction of the separate AOC's. It is on this distinction that Airtran/Southwest has based it's entirely proper ap
: Why not DCA-PHF (Newport News)?? Or has that already been tried? F9 could jump on that.
: Hey everyone, Branson (whatever the heck their code is) is inside the perimeter! Problem solved... bb