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AS To Start SAN-LIH/BOS  
User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 270 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

http://airlineroute.net/2012/11/15/as-san-s13/

BOS starts March 29, 2013

LIH starts June 7, 2013


Wasn't expecting this. Any more new upcoming routes?

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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

Wow, Alaska is on a roll down in San Diego. Very nice to see of my old carrier!


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User currently offlineJetAmericaS80 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

Very exciting to see consistent growth and dedication by Alaska to long-haul segments in their route network! Congratulations for SAN, LIH, and BOS!!  

Cheers,
Jetty



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User currently offlinesan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4942 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1944 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 1):
Wow, Alaska is on a roll down in San Diego. Very nice to see of my old carrier!

Indeed! AS is quickly becoming the #2 carrier at SAN with all these new additions!



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User currently offlineSurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2864 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

Wow!! I think a certain someone will be VERY excited to see this! It is very exciting to see AS continuing to expand its SAN presence. WN has not shown the airport much LUV lately, and it seems carriers like NK and AS are acting accordingly!

I don't think SAN-LIH comes as a surprise to anyone, although I wouldn't have expected it to start daily. Unlike most of AS's California-Hawaii routes, there is no history of service on the route. IIRC AQ flew the route very briefly before its demise, or had announced the route but never had the chance to bring it to fruition. Either way, I don't doubt San Diego's ability to support such service. Will it be a year-round service? If so, daily at the daily frequency? Also interesting to see SAN get LIH before KOA. I believe every other gateway to Hawaii except SEA saw KOA come online before or at the same time as LIH. I don't doubt that SAN-KOA will be coming soon - perhaps in conjunction with another SAN addition  .

SAN-BOS is very interesting to see. B6 is firmly established on the SAN-BOS route, having knocked longtime incumbent AA off of it shortly after commencing service. If there wasn't room for two players before, will there be now? I see AS has opted for a daylight eastbound flight, it looks like this is more than just an aircraft utilization tool. AS is arguably stronger than B6 in the SAN market (B6's attempt to expand from SAN was VERY short-lived/unsuccessful, unlike AS), but B6 is obviously much stronger in the larger BOS market. That said, BOS seems to be unusually strong for AS in terms of stations east of the Rockies, having not just catered to SEA flights but also an uninterrupted PDX service. One thing is for sure: AS is becoming bolder and bolder these days - it isn't afraid to compete, as we saw with recent additions like PDX/OAK/SJC/SAN-HNL (against HA), PDX-ORD (against UA), etc. Of course, they still add niche routes like SEA-SAT, SAN-MCO, and SAN-LIH as they see fit.



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User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 789 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1942 times:
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Quoting Surfandsnow (Reply 4):
Wow!! I think a certain someone will be VERY excited to see this!

Don't worry, he'll be here shortly!!  



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User currently offlineairportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3622 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1945 times:

Quoting Surfandsnow (Reply 4):
WN has not shown the airport much LUV lately, and it seems carriers like NK and AS are acting accordingly!

Perhaps there are reasons for this....

BOS is great. My money will be using this route, no doubt at all. AS offers a far better service than that bum airline AA could, IMHO

...and jetBlue has been letting me down big time lately. Maybe it's just a funk...



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User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 789 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1944 times:
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Quoting Surfandsnow (Reply 4):
WN has not shown the airport much LUV lately, and it seems carriers like NK and AS are acting accordingly!


You're right. I think WN is more in "LUV" with FL at the moment.
Thev'e been stagnant in SAN lately. It looks like AS is striving to be #1
in SAN with NK following. Hopefully the BOS route will somehow send a
wakeup call to Jetblue.

Quoting Surfandsnow (Reply 4):
I don't doubt that SAN-KOA will be coming soon - perhaps in conjunction with another SAN addition .


     



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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2360 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

Great news! That's three Hawaiian Islands. Now all they need is KOA, and the portfolio is complete. BOS is interesting, as it goes head to head with B6. I do however believe that there's room for two carriers on the route.

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 6):
BOS is great. My money will be using this route, no doubt at all. AS offers a far better service than that bum airline AA could, IMHO

Irrelevant since AA left the route years ago. Compare AS to B6. Those are the players in the market non-stop.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

Hey! I didn't think this would be released until tomorrow!!!! (At least I don't have to get up at 5am to try to break the story!)

WOW! I figured we'd get one new route (out of the 3 promised, with SEA-SLC being the first one announced) but to get 2 of the 3 is fantastic! I think we can now officially call the San Diego Experiment a success!  

I'm not really surprised at either route as they were both on the top five of my list but, as has been pointed out by 'snow, I had expected KOA to be the next Hawaiian destination added. But maybe SAN-Kauai is the next biggest market after Maui and Oahu... (Something tells me AS has done their homework and the selection of LIH was not by the flip of a coin.) And I do know that there are a lot of ties between San Diego and the Garden Isle!

One other quick thing I wanted to mention. Tomorrow (Thrusday) is the 3-week deadline that was "promised" for the 3 new routes to be announced. Please AS, my nerves can't take this waiting 'til the last minute!  

I have to let things soak in a bit now. (In a good way!) I have a feeling I'll be back on this thread soon!

P.S., Mahalo to Alaska for this great vote of confidence in SAN!!!!!

bb


User currently offlineairportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3622 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 8):
Irrelevant since AA left the route years ago. Compare AS to B6. Those are the players in the market non-stop.

Ok...if you want to be pedantic...better than AA "could have been". Like everything else in this industry, "could have, should have...didn't".

Better?



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1945 times:

Quoting san747 (Reply 3):
Indeed! AS is quickly becoming the #2 carrier at SAN with all these new additions!

As far as # of nonstop destinations, AS is a VERY solid #2 (behind WN with about 18 cities.) BOS and LIH take AS to 12 nonstop destinations from SAN! (And why do I have a feeling they're not done yet...?)

Quoting Surfandsnow (Reply 4):
I don't think SAN-LIH comes as a surprise to anyone, although I wouldn't have expected it to start daily. Unlike most of AS's California-Hawaii routes, there is no history of service on the route. IIRC AQ flew the route very briefly before its demise, or had announced the route but never had the chance to bring it to fruition. Either way, I don't doubt San Diego's ability to support such service. Will it be a year-round service? If so, daily at the daily frequency? Also interesting to see SAN get LIH before KOA. I believe every other gateway to Hawaii except SEA saw KOA come online before or at the same time as LIH. I don't doubt that SAN-KOA will be coming soon - perhaps in conjunction with another SAN addition

AQ flew their round-robin flights to LIH and KOA (from SAN and SNA) for about 3 months in 2008, before shutting down. And the reports were that those flights did well; it was the overall op's that failed.

I (as I have posted many times) thought we might see a split flight at first, maybe 4x weekly to KOA and 3x a week to Kauai in order to get both islands served asap. But I would imagine AS has determined that the LIH-route will support daily year-round service, and, I expect, so will KOA when they get a chance to add that route. (I personally know a LOT of people in the San Diego area with ties and/or roots on Kauai and who travel there OFTEN!)

I've also got to add that I finally got a look at the schedules and I am even happier than I was an hour ago. I was afraid that the BOS flight would end up as a red-eye but AS has given us an airplane for the whole day and this schedule can't miss:
Dep SAN 9:30am - Arr BOS 5:55pm (flt 768) Daily
Dep BOS 6:55pm - Arr SAN 9:13pm (flt 769) Daily Absolutely perfect; the business travelers will flock to these flts!

And the Kauia times are also perfect, with a 9:55am departure from SAN and a 1:05pm arrival in Lihue.

This just keeps getting better and better...   

bb


User currently offlinePassedV1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

Quoting ANA787 (Thread starter):
Wasn't expecting this. Any more new upcoming routes?

Unless Andrew intended the "other" (SLC is a new market, LIH and BOS are not) definition of new markets, these would make 2 and 3. It was stated in the conference call that there would be 3 announced and then that would be pretty much it for next year.

Unless of course..."pretty much it" means 1 or 2 more announcements pending.  


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1939 times:

Quoting PassedV1 (Reply 12):
Unless Andrew intended the "other" (SLC is a new market, LIH and BOS are not) definition of new markets, these would make 2 and 3. It was stated in the conference call that there would be 3 announced and then that would be pretty much it for next year.

Unless of course..."pretty much it" means 1 or 2 more announcements pending.

My take on what Andrew said was that there would be 3 new routes (= 3 new markets, = 3 city-pairs being connected) announced within 3 weeks, and that ("as of what we know now") would be it for 2013.... And today is 3 weeks since Andrew made his comments.

Also, this would jibe with the a/c delivery situation which ends up (as of now) being a net gain of 3 new a/c next year. And these 3 new announced routes -- SEA-SLC x2, SAN-BOS, and SAN-LIH -- will take exactly 3 737s.

A couple of additional thoughts. Andrew was apparently speaking of mainline so who knows what we might also see from the Horizon unit next year? Also, next year's net a/c gain of 3 is predicated on 3 older a/c leaving the fleet; I would say it's quite possible that if AAG really sees some more routes that they want to start in 2013, those a/c retirements could be delayed. (It's certainly happened before...) So I'm not completely ruling out the possibility of more mainline growth next year... if the conditions are right.

bb

(p.s. Welcome to A.net, Passed'!)

[Edited 2012-11-15 02:19:16]

User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3197 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
Absolutely perfect; the business travelers will flock to these flts

Unless you are a business traveller from BOS, either way congrats to SAN and AS!!!!



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User currently offlineclrd4t8koff From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 6):
...and jetBlue has been letting me down big time lately. Maybe it's just a funk...

How has jetBlue been letting you down? Some insight would be helpful on where they're falling short in your opinion...

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 8):
BOS is interesting, as it goes head to head with B6. I do however believe that there's room for two carriers on the route.

Competition is always a good thing for the consumer. Ideally what I hope happens is that the route matures and can sustain 2 carriers. Personally, I hope B6 triumphs as I think their on-board product is much better than AS and I much prefer A320's transcon than 73G/8/9ER.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3069 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

Wow! Looks like SJC is quickly becoming a distant afterthought to SAN as a new focus city. I'd hoped for SJC-BOS for the "nerd bird" traffic.

As others stated, I didn't exactly fall over in shock at SAN-LIH given AS's Hawaii and SAN buildup.

I wonder if AS will consider trying SAN-AUS then, or perhaps SAN-FLL.

Does AS have plans to add any more SMF-Hawaii routes? Seems like SMF-OGG is hanging in there (but SMF-GDL is gone, I believe) but SMF doesn't seem to be enjoying the same Hawaii expansion as the likes of SAN and BLI.

Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 15):
Personally, I hope B6 triumphs as I think their on-board product is much better than AS and I much prefer A320's transcon than 73G/8/9ER.

I can't speak for B6 since I've never flown them, but I think an AS 738 is a fine domestic product. I flew SJC-SEA yesterday and AS was spot-on. Nothing spectacular - only one cup of coffee, but plenty comfortable, on-time, efficient, friendly crews, etc. I've done AS trans-con several times and it is a plenty fine product that can hold its own with any domestic product in the world IMHO. At least an AS 738 or 737-900ER can make it non-stop every time, unlike B6's A320s.....


User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

I find it interesting how 'second tier' (non Big 4 carriers) are chasing the P2P model as legacies (even WN to an extent) have adopted a strict hub & spoke network.

User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

Good news for SANFAN i hope BOS goes well! AS clearly has some interest in SAN now.

SAN-BOS should be interesting and intersting for AS to test the waters on a very different type of route. I hope they can make it work, cool to see them on this route! Is this the only transcon they operate not involving a hub besides LAX-DCA? (DCA which is kind of a unique market anyway)....should be a great experiment maybe they will add some more SAN flights if they can build a nice following.


User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4391 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1943 times:
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Cool news, I hope both will do well. This should pretty well tie up two aircraft during the day.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 7):
You're right. I think WN is more in "LUV" with FL at the moment.
Thev'e been stagnant in SAN lately. It looks like AS is striving to be #1
in SAN with NK following.
WN has a lot of resources tied up with the merger no doubt. WN is still and will likely be the 800 pound gorilla in SAN compared to AS and NK.

[Edited 2012-11-15 09:04:56]


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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5801 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1944 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 9):
But maybe SAN-Kauai is the next biggest market after Maui and Oahu... (Something tells me AS has done their homework and the selection of LIH was not by the flip of a coin.) And I do know that there are a lot of ties between San Diego and the Garden Isle!

Hawaii Tourism Authority data indicates San Diego residents have a slight preference for Kauai over the Big Island. About 3,000-4,000 more San Diego MSA residents visited Kauai last year than KOA/ITO. But it is a close enough number that adding another island from SAN would also probably make sense in the future.



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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2360 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1945 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 10):
Ok...if you want to be pedantic...better than AA "could have been". Like everything else in this industry, "could have, should have...didn't".

The topic is about AS and their new services. Leave the rest for the theater where it belongs.

Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 15):
Competition is always a good thing for the consumer. Ideally what I hope happens is that the route matures and can sustain 2 carriers. Personally, I hope B6 triumphs as I think their on-board product is much better than AS and I much prefer A320's transcon than 73G/8/9ER.

Absolutely! I too prefer B6's product over AS. However - I still believe that there's room for two carriers on the route. Heck, in it's heyday, SAN-BOS supported much more service than the current offerings.

I'm just waiting for either AS, or AA to begin SAN-FLL/MIA. That's a big hole missing for San Diego.



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User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4110 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1945 times:

American Airlines has only token interest in Boston...serving it minimally. Alaska knows that AA's days of launching new routes simply to drive competitors off are LONG GONE.

It's not a 'feeder' route by any means...strictly point-to-point. No one will fly SAN-BOS and then hop on another plane unless it's a Europe-bound one. And no one going Boston-San Diego leaving at 7pm will do anything once they get there except go to their home or a hotel room and fall asleep. There aren't any onward flights to feed at that late hour.

Alaska has a deserved reputation as a 'premiere' carrier whereas JetBlue certainly doesn't. There's room for them both, and Alaska can rest assured that no other carrier has the financial wherewithal to combat them or JetBlue.

This route will belong to these 2 carriers...completely. AS came in secure in the knowledge that no other carrier is strong enough to fight.


User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 789 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1944 times:
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Quoting AA767400 (Reply 21):
I'm just waiting for either AS, or AA to begin SAN-FLL/MIA. That's a big hole missing for San Diego.

Wev'e been waiting quite a while for someone to start SAN-MIA. If any airline starts up SAN-MIA, I think it
would likely be AA, considering their Oneworld partner BA serves SAN, and JAL next month.

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 22):
Alaska has a deserved reputation as a 'premiere' carrier whereas JetBlue certainly doesn't. There's room for them both,

On the SAN-JFK route, three airlines are on it. B6 seems to co-exist just fine with DL and AA on the
JFK route, even though DL sends a daily 757, and AA has a 763. BOS should do just fine with two
carriers.

[Edited 2012-11-15 09:16:37]


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1944 times:

I'm still waiting for the official announcement from Alaska before discussing this further. (Anyone else still remember the situation earlier this year involving the HNL-SAN-DCA "phantom" flights that were listed for sale before the DOT's ruling in the Beyond-Perimeter hearing?)

I hope we hear something pretty soon... I'm pretty anxious to talk about this some more!  

bb


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Reply 25, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

I still hope they come to CLT next year

User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

SAN - BOS may be good for a DL codeshare. DL has a decent presence in BOS, so a codeshare could not hurt the route.

Also, a code share would make sense to connect to Europe, I'm thinking AMS, FCO, CDG at least would all have DL Code shares.

Dave



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 27, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 22):
American Airlines has only token interest in Boston...serving it minimally. Alaska knows that AA's days of launching new routes simply to drive competitors off are LONG GONE.

Once AA emerges from bankruptcy with industry leading costs, those days are coming back. AA will absolutely continue to vigorously defend marketshare at it's five hubs.

[Edited 2012-11-15 11:36:13]


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User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 27):
Once AA emerges from bankruptcy with industry leading costs, those days are coming back. AA will absolutely continue to vigorously defend marketshare at it's five hubs.

But will BOS be a hub? I would guess as AA restructures there will be lots of pull back.

Dave



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User currently offlineseahawks7757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 18):
Is this the only transcon they operate not involving a hub besides LAX-DCA?

You must have forgotten SAN-MCO that started last month.


User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4110 posts, RR: 2
Reply 30, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

Quoting davescj (Reply 28):
But will BOS be a hub? I would guess as AA restructures there will be lots of pull back.

Boston doesn't even rise to the level of being a 'focus city' for AA, never mind being a hub...which is a kind of misnomer, anyway, for a city tucked way up in the northeast corner of the country with nothing aside from a couple London-bound 757s to feed (which are filled by locals, anyway).


User currently offlinelhpdx From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 382 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2217 times:

This is definitely great news for Alaska airline new focus city SAN! I must admit I'm a little envious for Portland Lol!

User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3197 posts, RR: 5
Reply 32, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 16):
I've done AS trans-con several times and it is a plenty fine product that can hold its own with any domestic product in the world IMHO

Agreed, IMHO AS does a nice job in F or Y, I've done SEA-EWR on a 73G and in less than two weeks PDX-HNL, After the dozens of PDX-California flights I've been with AS on, I can truthfully say AS does it as good or better than the competition.



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User currently offlinejetboy319 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 31):

Why be envious? Portland is easily AAG’s 2nd largest station and is the 3rd largest when counting only mainline flights (behind Seattle and Anchorage).

Alaska Air Group
Seattle – 236
Portland – 94
Anchorage – 40
Los Angeles – 37
San Diego – 16

[Edited 2012-11-15 13:17:42]

User currently offlinePassedV1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

Has anyone confirmed the validity of this thread? It is 1530 on the west coast and still no release mention of new routes on internal or external sites.

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3069 posts, RR: 7
Reply 35, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

Quoting jetboy319 (Reply 33):
Why be envious? Portland is easily AAG’s 2nd largest station and is the 3rd largest when counting only mainline flights (behind Seattle and Anchorage).

Alaska Air Group
Seattle – 236
Portland – 94
Anchorage – 40
Los Angeles – 37
San Diego – 16

I count SJC at about 24 flights. They are still well above SAN if I counted correctly.


User currently offlineASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1170 posts, RR: 3
Reply 36, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 27):
Once AA emerges from bankruptcy with industry leading costs, those days are coming back. AA will absolutely continue to vigorously defend marketshare at it's five hubs.

industry leading? How so? Industry standard if they're lucky. They still have a substantial hub at one of the more expensive airports in the country (MIA), and large focus cities at a couple others (JFK and LAX). The bankruptcy reorganization will put them on a level playing field, until USAirways takes over.


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4009 posts, RR: 2
Reply 37, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2139 times:
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Congratulations to AS and their new SAN-BOS/LIH. I'm sure they will do great on these new routes.
Does anyone know how SAN-MCO is doing thus far?


User currently offlinedlflynhayn From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 425 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 20):
Hawaii Tourism Authority data indicates San Diego residents have a slight preference for Kauai over the Big Island. About 3,000-4,000 more San Diego MSA residents visited Kauai last year than KOA/ITO. But it is a close enough number that adding another island from SAN would also probably make sense in the future


I'm sure KOA is a lot more of a busier airport then LIH with United's big operation there maybe that's making them think twice about that route for now....


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 39, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2154 times:

Quoting PassedV1 (Reply 34):
Has anyone confirmed the validity of this thread? It is 1530 on the west coast and still no release mention of new routes on internal or external sites.

It's now ~17:30 PST and there has still been no release by the airline. But I do have it on good authority that the announcement was supposed to happen tomorrow (a Friday but that's what I've been told.) And it looks like that is (hopefully) the case...

As I'm anxious to discuss the topic more, I hope we will see official word tomorrow. (Holding everything in is starting to get kind of painful!)  

bb


User currently offlineNWADTWE16 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

I think its funny when someone says they love their transcon flight whilst they stared at a seatback for 5 hours..all the while knocking the carrier that provides more pitch, comfy leather seats, and FREE in flight TV/XM the whole way..i know where my $ goes everytime

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 41, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

The announced service is finally official! Here's the link to the press release on AS.com:
http://splash.alaskasworld.com/Newsr...s/ASstories/AS_20121116_044906.asp

The only noticeable clarifications from the first version of the information (that came out a couple of days ago) are that the Kauai flight will be daily for the summer (until late August) at which time it is scheduled to be reduced to 4x weekly. The other slight change is the arrival of the BOS flight in SAN; the early reports were off by an hour -- the arrival at Lindbergh will actually be 10:13pm.

If the LIH flights do well thru the summer, with good looking advance bookings for the fall and winter, it's possible that AS could extend the daily ops of the service. If that doesn't happen, I wonder what the possibility is that they might start SAN-KOA with the a/c on the 3 days that are not used for Kauai?...

Anyway, it's still wonderful news and I'm sure both routes will be very successful!

bb


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 42, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2070 times:

So is Alaska formally going to designate SAN as their 3rd hub ?

User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8317 posts, RR: 10
Reply 43, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2064 times:

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 30):

Boston doesn't even rise to the level of being a 'focus city' for AA, never mind being a hub...which is a kind of misnomer, anyway, for a city tucked way up in the northeast corner of the country with nothing aside from a couple London-bound 757s to feed (which are filled by locals, anyway).

Now, now, there's a bit more OW in BOS than that   BA/AA 5x daily to LHR, IB to MAD, JL to NRT, soon QR to DOH, plus the deal with B6.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 44, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2070 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 42):
So is Alaska formally going to designate SAN as their 3rd hub ?

LOL. I'm waiting until I first see the term "focus city" used by AS before I start thinking in such terms! We're still a long way from "hub" (and according to the website, they already have 4 hubs: (from AS.com)

Quote:
During recent years, Alaska Airlines has added new destinations to expand its network from its main hub in Seattle, as well as from its hubs in Anchorage, Alaska; Los Angeles; and Portland, Ore.

I'm anxious to see if AS picks up more gates at SAN next year (when UA vacates T1W). That, to me, will reveal a lot about AS's intentions for their future at Lindbergh Field.

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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 45, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

I agree with a lot of the comments about SAN-BOS. I have long felt that the market -- and the DOT stats pretty much back it up -- can support a couple of daily flights year-round. And B6 has faithfully served the market permanently for years but they've actually been cutting back slightly on the date-range of their second (seasonal) r/t in the market. (This year, for example, it didn't start until mid-July. The summer was half over by then!)

B6 has obviously decided to concentrate their west coast efforts in LAX and SFO -- just like Virgin -- and that sure leaves some very attractive doors wide open for cx such as Alaska who seem to like thinking a little outside the box...   (SAN remains, I believe, the largest metro area in the U.S. that is neither a hub nor even a secondary hub for any carrier. Our geography has a lot to do with that but still, maybe that will change in a couple of years...)

If B6 is, by some standards, not adequately serving the market, then it's a great opportunity for someone like AS to jump in and provide additional capacity. AS is (pretty obviously now, I feel) interested in growing SAN and really going after the business (including military?) market that is alive and well here. BOS seems like a perfect situation in which they can do that. As has been pointed out, the timing of the flights is aimed at the San Diego-based travelers, including AS's growing frequent flyer base here.

BTW, this marks only the second instance of AS (recently) going after an already-served route from SAN; the first was HNL. Most of the other flights that AS has op'd from SAN have been carefully selected routes that they had to themselves. Now to see AAG apparently getting even more aggressive is great and I hope we will see more of that. (And of course that opens up a whole new batch of potential destinations that see some service already! STL, for example, comes quickly to mind...)

At the same time, AS is having to watch their rears as NK is starting to encroach on a few of those monopolies -- PDX and SJD for example. So while moving ahead with their growth strategy here, they are also fighting a few skirmishes on other fronts. And they are up to it and seem determined to protect what they are building in SAN!

This is so great to see here. Please Alaska, continue to keep an eye on those open doors that exist in large numbers in America's Finest City!

bb


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17444 posts, RR: 46
Reply 46, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

I wonder if B6' SEAANC is a response to SANBOS?


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 47, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 46):
I wonder if B6' SEAANC is a response to SANBOS?

Hmmmm, that wouldn't be a huge surprise would it? Very interesting... and a very quick response too!

bb


User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 868 posts, RR: 2
Reply 48, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2059 times:
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Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 35):

I count SJC at about 24 flights. They are still well above SAN if I counted correctly

Jetboy was counting mainline AS only. SJC averages 12 mainline flights, depending on the day of the week.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 42):
So is Alaska formally going to designate SAN as their 3rd hub ?


I always thought there had to be ample online connections and "banks" of flights to constitute a "hub". Maybe I'm just old school like that!   

Tomas SJC



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User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 49, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

AS is good at working from corners. SEA, PDX and now SAN. Offer flights to where people want to go non-stop, stealing traffic from the hub and spoke AA, DL, UA and US. I think it's a great strategy with room for a lot more growth.

User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3197 posts, RR: 5
Reply 50, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 46):
I wonder if B6' SEAANC is a response to SANBOS?
Quoting SANFan (Reply 47):
Hmmmm, that wouldn't be a huge surprise would it? Very interesting... and a very quick response too!

Not the first time AS & B6 have gotten into a pissing match. AS/QX started PDX-LGB again (A route AS/QX said they would never go back on) to hit B6 back for a route announcement that B6 had made (I forget the city pairs) But as every other carrier that has flown SEA-ANC, it has not made much of a dent in the 16-18 daily peak season flights AS is flying.



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User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 51, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 46):
I wonder if B6' SEAANC is a response to SANBOS?

A once daily flight that is only summer seasonal and has the ANC-SEA routing leaving at 1am isn't exactly a response if you ask me, considering how much of the market AS has. UA flies this route 2x daily most of the year and 1x daily the rest of the year and hardly makes a dent in AS. I just don't see how B6 will be able to do anything with a seasonal offering.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17444 posts, RR: 46
Reply 52, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 51):

A once daily flight that is only summer seasonal and has the ANC-SEA routing leaving at 1am isn't exactly a response if you ask me, considering how much of the market AS has.

It is *the* quintessential AS route, and it was announced less than 24 hours after SANBOS--either that's an incredible coincidence, or more likely a friendly hello from the Northeast.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 726 posts, RR: 1
Reply 53, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 52):
It is *the* quintessential AS route, and it was announced less than 24 hours after SANBOS--either that's an incredible coincidence, or more likely a friendly hello from the Northeast.

HELLO [from Boston]  

you are right - too much coincidence of a coincidence this one!

Quoting NWADTWE16 (Reply 40):

I think its funny when someone says they love their transcon flight whilst they stared at a seatback for 5 hours..all the while knocking the carrier that provides more pitch, comfy leather seats, and FREE in flight TV/XM the whole way..i know where my $ goes everytime

I agree - when you are taking transcons, these TVs really help a lot. even more so if you have kids!  


User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 54, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 52):
It is *the* quintessential AS route, and it was announced less than 24 hours after SANBOS--either that's an incredible coincidence, or more likely a friendly hello from the Northeast.

Not denying any of that. Just saying that if this is their attempt at a response it's a pretty weak one. They tried SEA-SAN and lost. What makes them think they could do anything on SEA-ANC?


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17444 posts, RR: 46
Reply 55, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2044 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 54):
. What makes them think they could do anything on SEA-ANC?

It'll probably work in the Summer; what is AS going to do? Run SEAANC every 10 minutes instead of every 15?  Outside of the Summer is a different story...



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User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 56, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2033 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 55):
It'll probably work in the Summer; what is AS going to do? Run SEAANC every 10 minutes instead of every 15?

Maybe  


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5504 posts, RR: 29
Reply 57, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

I'll be more intrigued to see if AS offers anything unique in the SEA-ANC corridor to compete more aggressively with B6. First bag free? Free snacks?

I agree, though, that while it's great to see another competitor in the market, this is likely to have a very limited impact on AS.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 58, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

AS doesn't need to respond at all to B6 SEA-ANC. Except maybe announce SJC-BOS.  

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 59, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

I was gone most of yesterday so I'm just getting caught up now.

Regarding the sub-topic in this thread about B6 announcing SEA-ANC, I agree with many of the comments. The B6 move does seem likely to be a response to AS's BOS-SAN, but certainly not a major one (that will impact the SEA-ANC market or AS in any way.)

But mostly I find it interesting that B6 seems concerned enough about BOS-SAN (certainly one of the many west coast stations that they serve minimally) to react in any way. Ironically, BOS is the same sort of station for AS -- just a couple of flights from 2 -- now 3 -- cities. But who knows, maybe Blue is worried that AS may keep adding nonstops to BOS or NYC, or other places that would ultimately affect them a bit.

In other words, I never expected that B6 would react to AS's move in the first place, and I don't expect any escalations of this skirmish.

Bottom line, I remain very happy that AS has made this move and I think SAN and AS will both appreciate it. (And, thinking ahead a little, it will probably not be the last reaction from another carrier to new SAN-service by Alaska...)

bb


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3069 posts, RR: 7
Reply 60, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 58):
AS doesn't need to respond at all to B6 SEA-ANC. Except maybe announce SJC-BOS.

Yes, I've suggested SJC-BOS and SJC-ORD on other threads. Other posters have doubted that they would work, or that AS will do it. I'd like to see a resumption of SJC-AUS and how about SJC-FLL. I also think SJC-MEX could work.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5504 posts, RR: 29
Reply 61, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1985 times:

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 58):
AS doesn't need to respond at all to B6 SEA-ANC. Except maybe announce SJC-BOS.

Well, I agree that they don't "have" to respond, but they have been known to do a throw-down before. One thing I didn't realize was that they have separate perks for Alaska-based frequent flyers traveling to the lower 48. Smart move on their part.

I think Alaska is a tough nut to crack, and certainly they're firing on all cylinders right now, but they are not immune to the effects of competition completely. IF B6's service is successful, and IF B6 decides to add service or extend this to permanent, you might see something really get going at AS.

What we really need is someone to throw an old A300 or some such onto the route with all coach seating at low fares - that'd help the huge number of us who cannot budget in a trip to Alaska when it's going to be $2000-$3000 just for the 3 hour flights for our family. Alaska (the state) isn't cheap, either, but we would love to go visit my dad in Anchorage. With only one good vacation budgeted in per year, though, it just isn't going to all go to the airfare to fly to ANC. It'll be a sun destination or a cruise, with a very good chance that we'll be on WN due to the bag fees at AS. And I'd love to be on AS.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 62, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1981 times:

(In an effort to get this thread back on topic) I've noticed that the timing of the new flights between SAN and BOS and LIH appear to continue the efforts by AS to establish at least some additional connecting opportunities here.

When looking at the somewhat "late" departures of both the BOS (9:30am) and LIH (9:55am) I wanted to figure out why. I.E., I would have expected the BOS flight to leave SAN closer to perhaps 8 or 8:30am (and gate availability would have accomodated such a departure) in order to make the flights to BOS even more attractive to BOS-bound travelers. (An earlier departure would have also allowed for an earlier return flight to the west coast, getting back here more like 9-ish rather than after 10pm as it has ended up being.)

Well, the 9:30-to-10am departures at least make excellent connections from Fresno, and for Kauai at least, from MRY. And the LIH flight arrives in SAN at a little before 8pm, which I assume, will offer good connections to at least FAT, plus MCO. (Depending on what the complete June (summer) schedule looks like.)

I acknowledge that SAN is not (yet?   ) the connecting hub that SEA and PDX are, and I have no idea how many connecting pax there are on AS in SAN, or even whether AS is really interested in that. But I am very happy to see that AS is at least maximizing the few connecting opportunities that exist at Lindbergh Field right now. As they grow here, they do seem to be continuing with that idea in mind.

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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5504 posts, RR: 29
Reply 63, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1975 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 62):
(In an effort to get this thread back on topic)

Sorry - I realized after posting that I wasn't in the B6/Anchorage thread. My bad..  

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 64, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 63):
Sorry - I realized after posting that I wasn't in the B6/Anchorage thread. My bad..

Hey, no prob. I talked about B6 on this thread too. I just wanted to try to generally head back on course, that's all.  

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