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Crew Rest Area On AA's 77W  
User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4410 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3352 times:

On the AA 77E, there's a private crew rest compartment in the middle of the cabin at the end of the first coach cabin. I presume this is for the flight attendants only - the pilots get seat 1A, as I don't think AA has the optional "crew rest upstairs" on their 77E's.

The question is, where is the crew rest going to be on the new 77W planes?

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User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 725 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3383 times:

As far as I know, all AA's 77Es have a crew rest compartment immediately behind the cockpit on the port side for the pilots. You are correct, AA 77Es do not have the "crown" crew rest areas. Their B77Ws will.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7167 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3378 times:

I thought the overhead crew rest areas were standard on the 77W?


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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2332 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3382 times:

Yes - the 77W will have forward overhead bunks just aft or 1L/R for Pilots, and a larger one overhead between doors 4-5 for FAs.

The 77E has the main cabin crew bunk room at doors 3 L/R, and a smaller one at 1L for Pilots. The pilots get both a crew bunk, and a first class seat. I highly doubt that when the 77E receives they new configuration, they'll add in overhead bunks. We shall see. Hopefully they'll get this modification done soon, but I'm not holding my breath. Truth be told - the 763 is in dire need of a reconfiguration. Much more than any other type in the fleet.



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3379 times:

Quoting N62NA (Thread starter):
The question is, where is the crew rest going to be on the new 77W planes?

One of the FA's on posted a doc hinting about crown rests, but nothing official from AA.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
I thought the overhead crew rest areas were standard on the 77W?

They don't come standard. Crown rests are an option that has to be paid for.



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User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 515 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3380 times:
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Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 4):

It is official, Rest areas are up above on the 77W


User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3379 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 3):
I highly doubt that when the 77E receives they new configuration, they'll add in overhead bunks.

The existing midcabin crew will be replaced with a new one in the same location.

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 3):
Hopefully they'll get this modification done soon, but I'm not holding my breath.

Not for a while - the reconfiguration engineering is not done yet.


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9481 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3376 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
I thought the overhead crew rest areas were standard on the 77W?

It's not standard, but AA will have the aft overhead crew rest on the 77W. There are several options for crew rest locations.

I don't believe there is a pilot crew rest.



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User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 692 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3378 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 7):
I don't believe there is a pilot crew rest.

I'm an AA FA who was qualified on the 77W last month, and there is indeed a pilot crew rest module above the first class cabin, with 2 rest seats and 2 bunks. Pilots will not be entitled to a first class seat in the cabin on the 77W, as we only have 8 seats in first. The FA bunks are above the last zone of coach, there are 8 of them, with no rest seats.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3377 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 3):
Hopefully they'll get this modification done soon, but I'm not holding my breath.

AA still hasn't even finalized the new 772 J seat yet. A while to go on 772 reconfigs.



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User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3381 times:

It is a part of the union contract that seat 1a on the 77E is for crew rest, make a booking a year out, and you will always see that seat already "taken"

User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3545 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3381 times:

Don't the pilots get two rest seats in F on T7 flights over a certain period of time? I could have sworn I flew F on DFW-NRT a few years ago and the pilots had both 1A and 2A.


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User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 9):
AA still hasn't even finalized the new 772 J seat yet. A while to go on 772 reconfigs.

Isn't it going to be the same seat that AA will use for the 77W, minus first class?


User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 515 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3374 times:
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The pilots are getting their own module on the 77W, that is correct. Also on the 772 they have started giving up their seat only if its for a revenue full fare FC pax. No upg or nonrev if I got it correct from the manager in Bs Aires. But they still have their bunks available.

User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 12):
Isn't it going to be the same seat that AA will use for the 77W, minus first class?

No. 772 will have a brand new seat to be shared with the 788s. The 763s will have yet another different seat. Combined with the 752 seats, AA will actually have four different J products.



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User currently offlineKC135Hydraulics From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3369 times:

Does anyone have a photo of this crew rest module in the top of the fuselage? I've never seen one but it sounds pretty cool.

User currently offlinePresRDC From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 11):
Don't the pilots get two rest seats in F on T7 flights over a certain period of time? I could have sworn I flew F on DFW-NRT a few years ago and the pilots had both 1A and 2A.

Yes, they do. Ridiculous.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3299 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3366 times:

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 8):
Pilots will not be entitled to a first class seat in the cabin on the 77W, as we only have 8 seats in first.

Why is AA reducing F capacity on the 77W when compared to the 77E?

Quoting ordjoe (Reply 10):
It is a part of the union contract that seat 1a on the 77E is for crew rest, make a booking a year out, and you will always see that seat already "taken"

When pulling the seat map up on SABRE, the seat will not show up at all, as if it doesn't exist.

Quoting PresRDC (Reply 16):
Yes, they do. Ridiculous.

Why is that ridiculous?


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4848 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3365 times:

I was under the impression the crew rest area was standard across the board with the exception specific requests from the clients?


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User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2264 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3365 times:

The first two photos above are representative of what AA's crew rest will look like on the 77W: two pilot bunks/chairs and eight F/A bunks.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 17):

The 77E is losing first altogether. It will be reconfigured beginning in 2014 as a two class bird. Also, AA has the largest first class cabin of any carrier on a 777 and 16 seats is simply too many.

Quoting PresRDC (Reply 16):

Four pilots, two rest seats. Sounds reasonable to me.



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3545 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 19):
Four pilots, two rest seats. Sounds reasonable to me.

They also have a bunkroom and jump seats in the cockpit. Two F seats does seem a bit excessive to me.



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User currently offlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 20):
They also have a bunkroom and jump seats in the cockpit. Two F seats does seem a bit excessive to me.

Have you ever sat in a jumpseat? Would you like to do that for 13 hours?



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User currently offlinejetBlue From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 393 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

What I've heard is that the pilots will get one seat in J class, not F.

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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4848 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

Quoting jetblast (Reply 21):

Sat in one for 1 hour which was long enough! Can't complain about the view!

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User currently offlineCoachClass From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

Do the crew rest areas have their own toilets? Years ago, it appeared to me that the BA B747-400's had their crew rest areas at the very back of the cabin thru locked doors and I thought I heard toilets flushing back there as well.

25 fxramper : Why does AA need crew rest for their 77W? Are they deploying them on ULH? LHR isn't ULH. Does any crew members get lucky in the rest areas?
26 rwy04lga : One way or another, everything has to be paid for.
27 quiet1 : Generally, flights over eight hours carry one extra pilot, and flights over twelve hours carry two extra pilots. Not sure if that strict of a mandate
28 EK413 : The tech crew toilets on a B744 are located in the cockpit... EK413
29 longhauler : As soon as you restrict the crew rest facilities, you restrict what the aircraft can do. They may not need them now, but in the future they may. And
30 Byrdluvs747 : Yes, but my point was that not every 77W comes with a crown crew rest. That seems like a strange question. Do you expect FA's to sit in jumpseats dur
31 fxramper : This makes the most sense on this thread, thank you. On all UA trans-atlantic flights I do on their 757 they do. Or else if the company is gracious e
32 jetblast : And the same with us at BA on the 767....however flights like DFW-NRT are far too long for that. I have yet to meet anyone who can get adequate rest
33 Byrdluvs747 : So you're saying that because FA's don't have a crew rest on a six hour flight to Europe, that 10+ hour flights to China, Japan, and Australia should
34 RyanairGuru : The vast majority of 757 flights in question, though, are under 8.5 hours. Therefore the crew aren't entitled to a "break". If they choose to sit in
35 Tod : About half the BA744 have a lav in their door 5 overhead crewrest. (I designed the plumbing)
36 FI642 : Crew rest seats are essential. Jumpseats aren't called "ironing boards" for no reason at all. About eight years ago I had the "privilege" of riding a
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