N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5047 posts, RR: 8 Posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6516 times:
On the AA 77E, there's a private crew rest compartment in the middle of the cabin at the end of the first coach cabin. I presume this is for the flight attendants only - the pilots get seat 1A, as I don't think AA has the optional "crew rest upstairs" on their 77E's.
The question is, where is the crew rest going to be on the new 77W planes?
LONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 769 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6547 times:
As far as I know, all AA's 77Es have a crew rest compartment immediately behind the cockpit on the port side for the pilots. You are correct, AA 77Es do not have the "crown" crew rest areas. Their B77Ws will.
AA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2443 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6546 times:
Yes - the 77W will have forward overhead bunks just aft or 1L/R for Pilots, and a larger one overhead between doors 4-5 for FAs.
The 77E has the main cabin crew bunk room at doors 3 L/R, and a smaller one at 1L for Pilots. The pilots get both a crew bunk, and a first class seat. I highly doubt that when the 77E receives they new configuration, they'll add in overhead bunks. We shall see. Hopefully they'll get this modification done soon, but I'm not holding my breath. Truth be told - the 763 is in dire need of a reconfiguration. Much more than any other type in the fleet.
I'm an AA FA who was qualified on the 77W last month, and there is indeed a pilot crew rest module above the first class cabin, with 2 rest seats and 2 bunks. Pilots will not be entitled to a first class seat in the cabin on the 77W, as we only have 8 seats in first. The FA bunks are above the last zone of coach, there are 8 of them, with no rest seats.
aacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 592 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6538 times:
The pilots are getting their own module on the 77W, that is correct. Also on the 772 they have started giving up their seat only if its for a revenue full fare FC pax. No upg or nonrev if I got it correct from the manager in Bs Aires. But they still have their bunks available.
PresRDC From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 676 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6531 times:
Quoting 777STL (Reply 11): Don't the pilots get two rest seats in F on T7 flights over a certain period of time? I could have sworn I flew F on DFW-NRT a few years ago and the pilots had both 1A and 2A.
CoachClass From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6517 times:
Do the crew rest areas have their own toilets? Years ago, it appeared to me that the BA B747-400's had their crew rest areas at the very back of the cabin thru locked doors and I thought I heard toilets flushing back there as well.
quiet1 From Thailand, joined Apr 2010, 380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6869 times:
Quoting fxramper (Reply 25): Why does AA need crew rest for their 77W? Are they deploying them on ULH? LHR isn't ULH. Does any crew members get lucky in the rest areas?
Generally, flights over eight hours carry one extra pilot, and flights over twelve hours carry two extra pilots. Not sure if that strict of a mandate is by FAR, or by individual company policy/union contract.
Generally, also, F/As get onboard rest facilities on flights over eight hours.
longhauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 6057 posts, RR: 43
Reply 29, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6840 times:
Quoting fxramper (Reply 25): Why does AA need crew rest for their 77W? Are they deploying them on ULH? LHR isn't ULH.
As soon as you restrict the crew rest facilities, you restrict what the aircraft can do. They may not need them now, but in the future they may. And "already installed" is so much easier than "we have to send them back to Boeing for a refit".
Also, when it comes time to sell the aircraft, it is far easier when it is "industry standard".
Just because I stopped arguing, doesn't mean I think you are right. It just means I gave up!
RyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 6958 posts, RR: 8
Reply 34, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6761 times:
Quoting fxramper (Reply 31): On all UA trans-atlantic flights I do on their 757 they do
The vast majority of 757 flights in question, though, are under 8.5 hours. Therefore the crew aren't entitled to a "break". If they choose to sit in the jumpseat between services then that's different, but technically they are still working.
Quoting fxramper (Reply 31): Or else if the company is gracious enough to block a certain time they cabin crew get the last 3 seats in rear of a/c.
I'm guessing that this is only on routes such as TXL-EWR and CDG-IAD right?
That's because those routes are blocked at over 8.5 hours and therefore there is a statutory requirement for the crew to get a rest break. This isn't because the airline was feeling "gracious" or in a good mood.
Tod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1767 posts, RR: 3
Reply 35, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6701 times:
Quoting CoachClass (Reply 24): Do the crew rest areas have their own toilets? Years ago, it appeared to me that the BA B747-400's had their crew rest areas at the very back of the cabin thru locked doors and I thought I heard toilets flushing back there as well.
About half the BA744 have a lav in their door 5 overhead crewrest.
(I designed the plumbing)
FI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 36, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6617 times:
Crew rest seats are essential. Jumpseats aren't called "ironing boards" for no reason at all. About eight years ago I had the "privilege" of riding a jump seat NBO-CAI-SNN-JFK. No one should be forced to do that. Working crew on long-haul flights need a break. Most if not all carriers now have crew rest areas or seats.
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