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Shouldn't Ryanair Move From BVA To ORY Or CDG?  
User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2740 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 2405 times:

Is Ryanair successful in Paris?
Beauvais airport is very far away from Paris, and I think Ryanair should move to ORY or CDG.
People I know and who want to fly a LCC will not even look at Ryanair due to the distance to Beauvais, and then, they choose EasyJet which operate from both ORY and CDG.

What do you think?


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User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5300 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 2405 times:

No way, it will make the tickets much too expensive. I prefer a 4 euro return into Beauvais over a 75 euro into CDG. Btw, there is enough to see and do in the Beauvais region, no need to go to Paris. And indeed, if Paris is what you want you can fly Easyjet.

User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2740 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 2405 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 1):

Is Ryanair really less expensive than EasyJet?



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User currently offlinesmbukas From Lithuania, joined Feb 2009, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 2405 times:

Both ORY and CDG are way too expensive and slot restrictive, I do not believe RYR are considering that option. AFAIK, Wizz Air requested slots at ORY but after further calculation they decided to stay at BVA.
At ORY and CDG ground handling is also relatively expensive. I made a calculation last year and find out, that for 180-seater operations to ORY are 35EUR per departing passenger more costly than BVA.


User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5300 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 2405 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
Is Ryanair really less expensive than EasyJet?

From Budapest definitely. I often see returns for between 5 and 15 euro. Ofcourse is the pricewar between Wizz, FR and U2 helping.  

Edit: I just checked, in December many dates the oneways are 15 euro between Budapest and Beauvais

[Edited 2012-11-15 03:38:11]

User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2740 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 4):

OK, that's interesting.
Persoannly, for me, BVA is too far away, and then not convenient at all. If I have to fly a LCC, I choose EasyJet



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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1027 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

I agree that CDG and ORY are likely to crowded and too expensive for FR.

And who says Aéroports de Paris even wants to see Ryanair there? ADP are not exactly desperate for additional traffic.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 1):
No way, it will make the tickets much too expensive. I prefer a 4 euro return into Beauvais over a 75 euro into CDG. Btw, there is enough to see and do in the Beauvais region, no need to go to Paris. And indeed, if Paris is what you want you can fly Easyjet.

Your signature suggests you' may have read it already, but if not, then I think you would enjoy the book "Ruinair" by Paul Kilduff.



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User currently onlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3361 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

Beauvais is cheap and relatively empty....perfect for a cheapo airline. If you want quality, fly business from CDG or ORY> If you want cheaper, fly economy, or U2. If you want cheaper (and definately less quality), fly FR from BVA.

I met up with a friend last year in Paris. I took the Eurostar from London, and she flew FR from Dublin to BVA. her flight was EUR 50 compared to EUR 150 on AF to CDG....if you're trying to save money, you have to go with awkwardly located airports.

FR and BVA are serving a market....just not yours.



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User currently offlineyenne09 From Canada, joined Jun 2010, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

Beauvais is 1h15 minutes from Paris-Porte Maillot on a shuttle bus. Si, if you coming from the western part of the Paris area (for example La Defense area) it is no so far. But it is always depending on what you want. For me Beauvais is simple but convenient.

User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5300 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 6):
Your signature suggests you' may have read it already, but if not, then I think you would enjoy the book "Ruinair" by Paul Kilduff.

I don't need to like them to fly them, I like their fares though. Just booked 8-9 Dec Budapest - Gothenburg for 1 euro return, lol. Crazy fares, in a weekend, 4 weeks before departure..


User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2973 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 9):
Just booked 8-9 Dec Budapest - Gothenburg for 1 euro return, lol. Crazy fares, in a weekend, 4 weeks before departure..

I'm sure Gothenburg is mightily exciting in early December. Enjoy.



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4416 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

You mean that FR would actually fly to the city I would actually recognize? That would increase the fare though and not give the other transport companies a chance to gouge you for their 1-2 hour trip in to the edge of town from the remote airstrip FR lands at.


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User currently offlinebos2laf From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

I'm not familiar with the infrastructure, as it's been a while since I was in Paris, but does LBG have the facilities to handle commercial air service?

Would this be a viable option for the ULCCs?


User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19259 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2407 times:

FR must be happy at BVA because I don't recall them ever having a 'spat' with them. Given the extent of their disclosure if they aren't happy, their silence seems conspicuous.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 9):
I don't need to like them to fly them, I like their fares though. Just booked 8-9 Dec Budapest - Gothenburg for 1 euro return, lol. Crazy fares, in a weekend, 4 weeks before departure..

Just saw that! USD$0.58 one-way all-in for BUD-GSE (funnily enough, closer to central Gothenburg than GOT) - a 778-mile as-the-crow-flies sector. Not bad.  



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User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 7):

I used BVA a couple of times (August 2007, return flight) and the airport was packed like I have never seen any other. I mean, check-in queues literally trespassed the entrance door, and the air side was packed from the gates to the security check (literally from the terminal entrance to the gates there was no space at all). Granted it was peak August season, but I have traveled a fair amount of airports in August and I never ever seen anything remotely similar to that. It was unbelievable, I can't even think how the number of people inside would be legal under fire or health regulations. And there was nothing out of the ordinary in terms of delayed or cancelled flights.

I think my worst airport experience ever (not to mention how far - even for Ryanair's standards - it is from Paris).


User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1027 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 9):
I don't need to like them to fly them, I like their fares though. Just booked 8-9 Dec Budapest - Gothenburg for 1 euro return, lol. Crazy fares, in a weekend, 4 weeks before departure..

It's going to be very cold.

Anyway, Kilduff's book is more of a travelogue than a critique of Ryanair. He's a fan. And the quote in your signature is one of the many found in his book. That's why I think you might like it.

I originally bought it because this is what the cover looks like:

http://irishherault.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/ruinair.jpg

Only 0,01€*!  



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User currently offlinefoxxray From France, joined May 2005, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

Quoting bos2laf (Reply 12):
I'm not familiar with the infrastructure, as it's been a while since I was in Paris, but does LBG have the facilities to handle commercial air service?

Would this be a viable option for the ULCCs?

LBG is the main Paris's business airport. In no way you will see a Ryanair 737 next to the dozens of GV, Glex or BBJ...
Le Bourget isn't a commercial airport anymore since quite a long time now.


User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3845 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

I wonder how much investment would be required to turn Melun Villaroche (LFPM) into a viable LCC airport, for, say, 4 or 5 daily turnarounds...
It's closer to Paris than Beauvais and not too far from Disneyland.



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User currently onlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3361 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 14):


I used BVA a couple of times (August 2007, return flight) and the airport was packed like I have never seen any other.

Ha, sorry, when I said Beauvais was relatively empty, I meant for the airline, not the pasengers. Not slot restricted, easy to open new routes as the tarmac isn't saturated with hundreds of other airlines. The state of the terminal isn't of much concern to FR.



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4416 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

With BVA being around an hour from Paris with no options for public transit from the airport.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

Quoting foxxray (Reply 16):
Quoting bos2laf (Reply 12):
I'm not familiar with the infrastructure, as it's been a while since I was in Paris, but does LBG have the facilities to handle commercial air service?

Would this be a viable option for the ULCCs?

LBG is the main Paris's business airport. In no way you will see a Ryanair 737 next to the dozens of GV, Glex or BBJ...
Le Bourget isn't a commercial airport anymore since quite a long time now.

I believe scheduled flights have been banned at LBG since 1980. I think it now handles more bizjet flights than any other airport in Europe, followed by GVA.


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