Quoting blr380 (Reply 1): Last time I read about MSY lobbying to get a F9 hub was a good bit of humor....
Quoting nkops (Reply 5): but what would be the market here??
On the plus side, they wouldn't be starting this based solely upon the market numbers because there aren't any. Either they are getting a subsidy from somebody...or worse...it is connected to that buyer in MSY.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6529 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2536 times:
MSY was just named best American city to visit by Travel and Leisure magazine...and Conde Nast rated it #8...so the tourism trade is certainly on the up and up. I'm sure they'll also get some people from the TTN area to fly down for cruises on Carnival, NCL, Royal, and the two overnight steamboat companies
Perhaps we'll see more routes like this from the new Frontier? Certainly "outside the box" thinking. A few years ago a route like this would be flown by Allegiant and probably no one else. Frontier is changing.
Flytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2536 times:
This comes before WN launching EWR-MSY. F9 lists TTN as "Newark, NJ area airports" when keying in "new york" and it comes under Philadelphia as well. But my guess is F9's TTN strategy is more for the NY play since it's a bigger stretch associating TTN with NYC. MSY also is a slightly longer route than FLL from TTN.
Surfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2856 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2537 times:
Is this a joke?!? Unlike MCO, MSY is certainly no powerhouse station for F9: they can't even maintain year round service from their primary Denver hub. I am not aware of any significant ties between New Jersey/Eastern Pennsylvania and New Orleans. Unless they are actually serious about doing some kind of hub or focus city at MSY (and even if they were, why wouldn't they start with something like OMA?), I can't think of any rationale for this service.
First B6 to ABQ, now this. I'm sensing a trend.. WN's schedule extension could have some shocking surprises for us!
Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
Flytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2542 times:
Quoting Surfandsnow (Reply 10): I am not aware of any significant ties between New Jersey/Eastern Pennsylvania and New Orleans.
It will just be leisure. From the route map, it looks like F9 will also start TTN-FLL, TTN-RSW and TTN-TPA as well, but none of the F9 TTN routes will be daily. It looks like F9 at TTN is following one of NK's strategies, modeled like NK at LBE for Pittsburgh. However, I think a lot of the flying pax from Princeton and Central NJ being upscale and white collar/work oriented, even if they knew about the F9 service, would probably stick with UA or WN- a carrier offering daily service, better frequency, and more useable FF.
iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4368 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2536 times:
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Quoting Flytravel (Reply 9): This comes before WN launching EWR-MSY. F9 lists TTN as "Newark, NJ area airports" when keying in "new york" and it comes under Philadelphia as well. But my guess is F9's TTN strategy is more for the NY play since it's a bigger stretch associating TTN with NYC
I would think this is coincidental F9 is launching TTN-MSY before EWR-MSY as they've avoided competing with WN in the past. Also at 2x weekly they can't expected it to be competitive and the NYC market is huge.
GentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3056 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2534 times:
Outside of being snowbird routes in destination and tenure. Three of the four TTN-Florida routes should be good for the Major League Baseball pre-season camps. Might we see TTN-AZA next for the team(s) who train in Airizona?
Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25012 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2536 times:
Quoting Flytravel (Reply 15): However, I think a lot of the flying pax from Princeton and Central NJ being upscale and white collar/work oriented, even if they knew about the F9 service, would probably stick with UA or WN- a carrier offering daily service, better frequency, and more useable FF.
Bookings for Frontier's TTN-MCO have been "robust" (Frontier's word) since the day it was open for booking. As I posted at the time, I have seldom seen a new Frontier route book so well, so fast.
kcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2540 times:
Quoting mariner (Reply 20): Bookings for Frontier's TTN-MCO have been "robust" (Frontier's word) since the day it was open for booking. As I posted at the time, I have seldom seen a new Frontier route book so well, so fast.
The F9 VP of Planning founded Shuttle America, so it is not surprising.
I think MSY will suck. RSW will suck after Easter. FLL/TPA can work as well as MCO if they succeed at promoting the flights and getting people to try TTN. Overall, it is not a dumb idea, but I don't think it should work as well as COS which they are already pruning.
: I'm not aware that Daniel Shurz founded Shuttle America? mariner
: Do you think US will respond to these routes and lower their fares to these destinations?
: "Greg Aretakis, Frontier's vice president, network and revenue" I'm kind of shocked you didn't know that Shurz was promoted. "Daniel Shurz, Frontier'
: I'm fully aware of that - it was a step-up for him and every route decision has to get past him. Greg Aretakis is revenue and was an exec at Shuttle
: I wouldnt think so just because Frontier will only be flying a few days of the week and it is a unique airport that people will either like or not. T
: LMFAO This may not be the only suprise of the year....Rumors are flying that RFD may get additional service from F9 that will suprise many!
: Maybe RFD-FLL? G4 currently flies RFD-Orlando and Tampa/St. Peteresburg but maybe there's room for two, I highly doubt it though.
: Aretakis is the VP responsible for Route Planning. By your definition, Siegel is the Planning VP as all Planning decisions must be approved by him as
: I understand that I;m wasting my time arguing with you, but Daniel Shurz's watch was expanded from just route planning to include all commercial oper
: Well my friend, with the addition of MSY-TTN, I've seen it all now...so nothing else, and I mean nothing, would surprise me! lol I think that's the k
: All it needs it TTN-BOS and/or TTN-GSO to complete that picture. And - perhaps - may prove to be seasonal, but I can't see anything wrong with that.
: Now the real question... Will Frontier put a honeybee on the tail for the TTN based plane? (said in jest, of course)
: MSY is much harder to sell than Florida. That's why MSY has such spotty service to anywhere, but hubs. MSY has very little point-to-point service out
: I'm not comparing MSY to Florida. Two totally different animals. Much of FL's draw is beaches obviously. And the Mouse. MSY does have a large drive i
: I live in the Philadelphia western suburbs and I just booked my weekend trip to NOLA with F9. Can't be $177 round trip - and free parking in TTN!
: It's a good sign that F9 is increasing the MCO service to 4x weekly and added other Florida. The original 2x weekly to MCO just seemed like a gimmick
: IF - and it is still "if" - these routes work and more than seasonally, then I would think that TTN-BOS may be on the cards, if only summer seasonal
: Frontier announces suspension of Allentown service Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 15:18 Service ends April 7, 2013 Today we announced suspension of nonstop se
: So how long before the NIMBYs in Princeton complain? I'd say within 2 months.
: I don't think they will because Princeton is a bit too far away to the east. The folks in PA just across the Delaware River are another story...
: Hmm...I thought I read somewhere that they had complained. But your right bucks county pa is close. Actually it might be Pennington and Hopewell I'm t
: oh how i am waiting for the GSO routes to TTN, FLL, BOS, PBI & DEN the honey bee would look great on a F9 tail lol ... btw do the GSO-MCO bookings