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New F9 Service: MSY-TTN  
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2610 times:

The service is bookable on flyfrontier.com

Looks like twice weekly service (Monday and Friday) starting in February.

MSY-TTN
Flight #986
Dep: 1045a (MO) 1705 (FR)
Arr: 1430 (MO) 2050 (FR)
A319

TTN-MSY
Flight #985
Dep: 0800 (MO) 1420 (FR)
Arr: 1005 (MO) 1625 (FR)
A319

Needless to say I'm shocked to see this one start!

[Edited 2012-11-15 05:31:19]

67 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineblr380 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

:o Where did this one come from? Last time I read about MSY lobbying to get a F9 hub was a good bit of humor....and this one comes out of the blue. I hope this isn't a typo..lol

User currently offlinekcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3817 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2613 times:

I'm sure there's going to be an incredible explanation for why this is being started.

User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2612 times:

Quoting blr380 (Reply 1):
I hope this isn't a typo..lol

Nope. It's already shown on the route map, too. Pleasantly surprised by this. 


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2617 times:

This might go down as the "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot" route of the year...


Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2665 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 4):

I understand MCO with the parks and such, but what would be the market here?? MSY pretty much covered out of PHL, isnt it?



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7192 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2617 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
Needless to say I'm shocked to see this one start!
Quoting blr380 (Reply 1):
Last time I read about MSY lobbying to get a F9 hub was a good bit of humor....
Quoting nkops (Reply 5):
but what would be the market here??

On the plus side, they wouldn't be starting this based solely upon the market numbers because there aren't any. Either they are getting a subsidy from somebody...or worse...it is connected to that buyer in MSY.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

MSY was just named best American city to visit by Travel and Leisure magazine...and Conde Nast rated it #8...so the tourism trade is certainly on the up and up. I'm sure they'll also get some people from the TTN area to fly down for cruises on Carnival, NCL, Royal, and the two overnight steamboat companies

Perhaps we'll see more routes like this from the new Frontier? Certainly "outside the box" thinking. A few years ago a route like this would be flown by Allegiant and probably no one else. Frontier is changing.


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

TTN flyers are probably ecstatic! Maybe we can see TTN gain more commercial service (from other airlines) if this does well.

User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

This comes before WN launching EWR-MSY. F9 lists TTN as "Newark, NJ area airports" when keying in "new york" and it comes under Philadelphia as well. But my guess is F9's TTN strategy is more for the NY play since it's a bigger stretch associating TTN with NYC. MSY also is a slightly longer route than FLL from TTN.

[Edited 2012-11-15 06:52:29]

User currently offlineSurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2866 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Is this a joke?!? Unlike MCO, MSY is certainly no powerhouse station for F9: they can't even maintain year round service from their primary Denver hub. I am not aware of any significant ties between New Jersey/Eastern Pennsylvania and New Orleans. Unless they are actually serious about doing some kind of hub or focus city at MSY (and even if they were, why wouldn't they start with something like OMA?), I can't think of any rationale for this service.

First B6 to ABQ, now this. I'm sensing a trend.. WN's schedule extension could have some shocking surprises for us!



Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlineDBCooper From Brazil, joined Jun 2004, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Looks like there are 3 more new TTN routes on the route map...

So TTN-MSY is not an isolated new route from TTN.


- DBC


User currently offlinesdoyon From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

TTN - MSY: Jan-May 2xW
TTN - FLL: Feb-May 3xW
TTN - MCO: Nov-Jan 2xW; Feb-May 4xW
TTN - TPA: Jan-May 3xW
TTN - RSW: Jan-May 2xW


User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

Eastwind lives!


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"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlinesdoyon From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

Interesting, looks like the aircraft will be based in TTN:

http://media.flyfrontier.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5404


User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

Quoting Surfandsnow (Reply 10):
I am not aware of any significant ties between New Jersey/Eastern Pennsylvania and New Orleans.


It will just be leisure. From the route map, it looks like F9 will also start TTN-FLL, TTN-RSW and TTN-TPA as well, but none of the F9 TTN routes will be daily. It looks like F9 at TTN is following one of NK's strategies, modeled like NK at LBE for Pittsburgh. However, I think a lot of the flying pax from Princeton and Central NJ being upscale and white collar/work oriented, even if they knew about the F9 service, would probably stick with UA or WN- a carrier offering daily service, better frequency, and more useable FF.

[Edited 2012-11-15 08:36:09]

User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4403 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2615 times:
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Quoting Flytravel (Reply 9):
This comes before WN launching EWR-MSY. F9 lists TTN as "Newark, NJ area airports" when keying in "new york" and it comes under Philadelphia as well. But my guess is F9's TTN strategy is more for the NY play since it's a bigger stretch associating TTN with NYC

I would think this is coincidental F9 is launching TTN-MSY before EWR-MSY as they've avoided competing with WN in the past. Also at 2x weekly they can't expected it to be competitive and the NYC market is huge.

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 12):
TTN - MSY: Jan-May 2xW
TTN - FLL: Feb-May 3xW
TTN - MCO: Nov-Jan 2xW; Feb-May 4xW
TTN - TPA: Jan-May 3xW
TTN - RSW: Jan-May 2xW

These others seem much less of an oddball.



Next flights: WN DSM-LAS-PHX, US PHX-SJD.
User currently offlinesdoyon From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2612 times:

Not sure if the runway is long enough, but a redeye DEN-TTN and early morning TTN-DEN return might be a good utilization of an aircraft...wishful thinking!

Something along the lines of:

DEN-TTN d: 11:50pm / a: 5:50am
TTN-DEN d: 6:45am / a: 9:00am


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2613 times:

Outside of being snowbird routes in destination and tenure. Three of the four TTN-Florida routes should be good for the Major League Baseball pre-season camps. Might we see TTN-AZA next for the team(s) who train in Airizona?


Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Man, this looks like a bad Seabury-esqe consulting project. F9 is probably getting a lot of dough for these!


We will ride this thunderbird, silver shadows on the earth, a thousand leagues away our land of birth... -Captain Bruce
User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25263 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2615 times:
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Quoting Flytravel (Reply 15):
However, I think a lot of the flying pax from Princeton and Central NJ being upscale and white collar/work oriented, even if they knew about the F9 service, would probably stick with UA or WN- a carrier offering daily service, better frequency, and more useable FF.

Bookings for Frontier's TTN-MCO have been "robust" (Frontier's word) since the day it was open for booking. As I posted at the time, I have seldom seen a new Frontier route book so well, so fast.

mariner



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

I am shocked they would add MSY before DEN! The 319 I would think is possible for takeoff from TTN to DEN?

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 13):
Eastwind lives!

Yeah no kidding! I welcome it. TTN is too ready a facility in way too crowded an area to sit empty IMHO.


User currently offlinekcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3817 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 20):
Bookings for Frontier's TTN-MCO have been "robust" (Frontier's word) since the day it was open for booking. As I posted at the time, I have seldom seen a new Frontier route book so well, so fast.



Hows SHD look?


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5433 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2617 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 7):
Perhaps we'll see more routes like this from the new Frontier? Certainly "outside the box" thinking.

Hey 'tristar, maybe we'll see that elusive MSY-SAN route after all!   

(Semi-seriously though, it's a market with healthy traffic but probably not quite enough, IMO, to support a daily nonstop a la WN. Three times a week on Frontier? Who knows...)

bb


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7192 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 12):

TTN - MSY: Jan-May 2xW
TTN - FLL: Feb-May 3xW
TTN - MCO: Nov-Jan 2xW; Feb-May 4xW
TTN - TPA: Jan-May 3xW
TTN - RSW: Jan-May 2xW

The F9 VP of Planning founded Shuttle America, so it is not surprising.

I think MSY will suck. RSW will suck after Easter. FLL/TPA can work as well as MCO if they succeed at promoting the flights and getting people to try TTN. Overall, it is not a dumb idea, but I don't think it should work as well as COS which they are already pruning.


25 mariner : I'm not aware that Daniel Shurz founded Shuttle America? mariner
26 jetsetter629 : Do you think US will respond to these routes and lower their fares to these destinations?
27 Post contains links and images enilria : "Greg Aretakis, Frontier's vice president, network and revenue" I'm kind of shocked you didn't know that Shurz was promoted. "Daniel Shurz, Frontier'
28 mariner : I'm fully aware of that - it was a step-up for him and every route decision has to get past him. Greg Aretakis is revenue and was an exec at Shuttle
29 slcdeltarumd11 : I wouldnt think so just because Frontier will only be flying a few days of the week and it is a unique airport that people will either like or not. T
30 Post contains images United727 : LMFAO This may not be the only suprise of the year....Rumors are flying that RFD may get additional service from F9 that will suprise many!
31 iowaman : Maybe RFD-FLL? G4 currently flies RFD-Orlando and Tampa/St. Peteresburg but maybe there's room for two, I highly doubt it though.
32 enilria : Aretakis is the VP responsible for Route Planning. By your definition, Siegel is the Planning VP as all Planning decisions must be approved by him as
33 mariner : I understand that I;m wasting my time arguing with you, but Daniel Shurz's watch was expanded from just route planning to include all commercial oper
34 MSYtristar : Well my friend, with the addition of MSY-TTN, I've seen it all now...so nothing else, and I mean nothing, would surprise me! lol I think that's the k
35 Post contains images mariner : All it needs it TTN-BOS and/or TTN-GSO to complete that picture. And - perhaps - may prove to be seasonal, but I can't see anything wrong with that.
36 Post contains images MSYtristar : Now the real question... Will Frontier put a honeybee on the tail for the TTN based plane? (said in jest, of course)
37 enilria : MSY is much harder to sell than Florida. That's why MSY has such spotty service to anywhere, but hubs. MSY has very little point-to-point service out
38 MSYtristar : I'm not comparing MSY to Florida. Two totally different animals. Much of FL's draw is beaches obviously. And the Mouse. MSY does have a large drive i
39 jetsetter629 : I live in the Philadelphia western suburbs and I just booked my weekend trip to NOLA with F9. Can't be $177 round trip - and free parking in TTN!
40 Flytravel : It's a good sign that F9 is increasing the MCO service to 4x weekly and added other Florida. The original 2x weekly to MCO just seemed like a gimmick
41 Post contains links mariner : IF - and it is still "if" - these routes work and more than seasonally, then I would think that TTN-BOS may be on the cards, if only summer seasonal
42 kingcavalier : Frontier announces suspension of Allentown service Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 15:18 Service ends April 7, 2013 Today we announced suspension of nonstop se
43 Jerseyguy : So how long before the NIMBYs in Princeton complain? I'd say within 2 months.
44 EWRandMDW : I don't think they will because Princeton is a bit too far away to the east. The folks in PA just across the Delaware River are another story...
45 Jerseyguy : Hmm...I thought I read somewhere that they had complained. But your right bucks county pa is close. Actually it might be Pennington and Hopewell I'm t
46 uncgso : oh how i am waiting for the GSO routes to TTN, FLL, BOS, PBI & DEN the honey bee would look great on a F9 tail lol ... btw do the GSO-MCO bookings
47 bobloblaw : F9 is flailing about.. .....
48 Flytravel : It's unfortunate for the Lehigh Valley and ABE (which has lost a lot of service), but that region, still has Allegiant to SFB. No service to S. Flori
49 Jerseyguy : I heard F9 sponsoring traffic on 101.5 advertising their Trenton to Orlando service. Which is smart because there are many people that tune in for jus
50 wagz : Ironic because I was driving home to Philly on the southbound NJ Turnpike last night and noticed a Frontier TTN-MCO billboard. I don't recall exatly
51 GentFromAlaska : You have to remember the greater NOLA area has found their niche and does a exceptional job marketing themselves as a foodie town. When you compare a
52 GentFromAlaska : I stated several threads ago F9 could also economically market several states which now includes New Jersey and North Dakota using placard type broch
53 Post contains images enilria : It's all about volume. MSY doesn't have it. Looking at peak season (1Q2012), MSY is 20% smaller than RSW, 1/2 of TPA, 1/3 of FLL, and 25% of MCO. The
54 Jerseyguy : Come to think of it, they probably are as I heard Streamline advertising in the same spot back when they were operating out of TTN.
55 MSYtristar : Again, I'm not saying it's as big of a draw as Florida is. Not even sure why you want to compare them. What I was trying to do in my post above was t
56 Post contains images enilria : It's a valid comparison because outside WN (which is all point to point) nearly all other point to point services in this country are basically to Fl
57 GentFromAlaska : I think if F9 wanted casino's they would have chose GPT for Biloxi. The Mississippi state line is a short drive from NOLA. I know the chief the polic
58 usflyguy : If you know the Chief of Police in New Orleans, then you must know that there are big casinos and casino boats in New Orleans already, don't you? Har
59 MSYtristar : Not denying that. And rightfully so. Not expecting them to. There's a lot of new development going on in the tourist areas of the city. Just a few ex
60 GentFromAlaska : Fair enough. I was not aware of Harrah's NOLA. It has been a few years. The riverboats are regulated differently than shore based casinos unless they
61 Jerseyguy : Just booked my TTN-MCO trip for late January for $122.64 all-in with a 13% discount code available at the other airline talk board. Can't beat that, f
62 Post contains links STT757 : Words getting out, friends and family who don't follow the industry are now aware of the new service and are eager to give it a try. I'm hoping this w
63 Jerseyguy : Sure would be a nice alternative TTN cuts 30 minutes off my travel time to EWR and 45 off of PHL and that doesn't even take security delays into accou
64 GentFromAlaska : And the perfect three to my understanding is the free parking at TTN. The lowest economy parking I can partake at my origin airport cost me $8.00 a d
65 nkops : From what I have heard that will be going away at some point.. won't be expensive, but won't be free anymore...
66 Jerseyguy : Re: nkops and free parking They had better be careful not to pull the plug too early before travelers get used to flying out of TTN. They need to make
67 nkops : I agree.. I was told this by one of the TSA personnel there, so take it for what its worth... I do think if it sticks though, free parking will go aw
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