Tobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 643 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 513 times:
Hi, this is just in. In May 2013, AB will not resume its seasonal flights to non AA hubs in North America. Instead, frequencies to LAX, JFK, ORD and MIA (from both DUS and TXL/BER) will be increased.
spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 537 times:
I'm not surprised. AB seems to be in a state where they need as many connections as possible to help them out. On the bright side, we can see more of the beautiful AB a330s at JFK!
mogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 551 times:
Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 5): Not really an oddball considering how popular Fort Myers is with German tourists. Plus, the route (ex-LTU) has been in place for a long, long time.
ushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2889 posts, RR: 18 Reply 8, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 555 times:
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 6): Any reason why LH doesn't fly it then ?
ZERO business travel. It's a total leisure market. It is quite popular with tour organizers. It's basically a charter route with around 10-20% of the seats bookable directly.
LV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1816 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 553 times:
Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 5): Not really an oddball considering how popular Fort Myers is with German tourists. Plus, the route (ex-LTU) has been in place for a long, long time.
I lived in Cape Coral for three and a half years and every time I went to the Publix down the street from my house there was more German than English being spoken in there.
Still, sad to see them ending LAS, especially as someone whose job depends on plane load after plane load of tourists coming to this town. Hopefully this won't slow down the growth among German tourists to Sin City.
flyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1005 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 553 times:
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 6): Any reason why LH doesn't fly it then ?
Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 8): ZERO business travel. It's a total leisure market. It is quite popular with tour organizers. It's basically a charter route with around 10-20% of the seats bookable directly.
Exactly, and LH's aircraft are very premium-heavy compared to AB's:
AB A332: 24C/271Y
vs.
LH A333: 8F/48C/165Y
LH A343: 44C/222Y or 8F/36C/181Y or 8F/48C/165Y
On which do you reckon would it be easiest to turn a profit flying people to the beach?
EDIT: Might be a good route for Condor though!
[Edited 2012-11-15 11:34:49]
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TWA85 From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 126 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 553 times:
The article also mentions that AB will be transferring a lot of Eastern Europe service from VIE to BER. This move is a sign that AB really is moving away from it's p2p leisure oriented strategy and moving more towards a hub-and-spoke network strategy. It will be exciting to see what other restructuring plans AB has in the future. Maybe AB someday will begin routes like BER/DUS to NRT/HKG/PEK.
mogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 555 times:
Quoting flyingalex (Reply 11): On which do you reckon would it be easiest to turn a profit flying people to the beach?
The easiest way to turn a profit is *not* flying a plane for 10 hours just to bring tourists to a beach. I still can't figure out what AB wants to be - Condor/ThomasCook-like, Ryanair-like, or BA-like ?
Andie007 From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 848 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 553 times:
Has anyone checked the flight details for the new additional DUS-JFK-DUS flights?
Found some double dailys in June 2013 - but it's a bad joke that they're flying on the same time, right?
spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 553 times:
qf340500 From Singapore, joined Oct 2011, 146 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 553 times:
Great move from AB i think, all the changes stated in the article make sense from a alliance point of view, also makes me think that AB is not going out of oneworld soon...
just a comment: can the title of the thread be changed? Its not ONLY about cutting routes but also increasing others significantly... just to make the thread name sounding "less negative"
r2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2252 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 537 times:
A pity as AB was an interesting alternative to these not so well served destinations, but they were low frequency anyway. It makes sense in the frame of AB restructuring: dropping low-freq leisure routes for more frequencies to higher-yielding AA hubs. It is also a sign of commitment to OW, or at least AA.
ushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2889 posts, RR: 18 Reply 24, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 537 times:
Quoting r2rho (Reply 23):
A pity as AB was an interesting alternative to these not so well served destinations, but they were low frequency anyway. It makes sense in the frame of AB restructuring: dropping low-freq leisure routes for more frequencies to higher-yielding AA hubs. It is also a sign of commitment to OW, or at least AA.
Considering that only very, very few tickets on these flights actually were significantly cheaper than AF/KL, BA or LH flights, I don't see how they'd qualify as an interesting alternative, considering their vastly inferior cabin product on long-haul flights.
Where have all the tri-jets gone...
25 PanHAM: well, as was said, many Germans own residences on the FL west coast, from Cape Coral down to Naples. I could imagine that the premium seats fo the fl
26 JU068: Niki will be terminating its operations from Vienna to Belgrade, Bucharest and Sofia. Routes to Bucharest and Sofia are to be eventually launched from
27 ushermittwoch: Well, that's just dumb. This is conceeding A LOT of traffic to OS. Nobody will be willing to backtrack to TXL (or BER in 2028) to get to these destin
28 PanHAM: ...and since there is no feeder from HAM BRE HAJ everyone else would have to backtrack. Berlin is in a peripheric location, makes me wonder that they
29 flyingalex: I disagree. In the right configuration, you can make a lot of money flying tourists to far-off beaches. You just need the right beach and the right t
30 JU068: It makes absolutely no sense especially since Austrian Airlines has countless frequencies to all these cities. On top of that both Air Bulgaria and T
31 JRadier: Not unless AB quit, Condor doesn't really seem to be going head to head with anyone! The funny thing is, Condor is very different from Thomas Cook, e
32 flyingalex: Agreed. My point was that if another German airline was to take over the route from AB if they ever dropped it, then Condor would be the closest fit.
33 Andie007: For the DUS-JFK route, the flight times will be: AB7450 13:05-15:30 / AB7451 17:35-07:15+1 AB7480 17:00-19:25 / AB7481 21:10-10:50+1 AB7450 will be th
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