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CNN: Gridlock-Unclogging U.S. Air Travel  
User currently offlineDeltaflot From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 63 posts, RR: 2
Posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1276 times:

Hey everyone...just wanted to give you a heads up about a show on CNN Presents this evening 9/2 at 10:00 EST titled Gridlock: Unclogging U.S. Air Travel

Looks rather interesting except I'm sure the media will make the gridlock problem a hundred times more severe than it actually is.

Enjoy,
Chris

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User currently offlineBlink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5485 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1194 times:

Thanks for letting us know  Smile. I'll agree with you that the media will make it sound worse than it actually is, and they will blame the airlines(it is actually the airport's fault because they deal with the runways etc)
rgds,
blink182



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User currently offlineMCOtoATL From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 474 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1170 times:

CNN has run this twice before, and while we blame the media for various problems with their aviation coverage, I actually applaud CNN for this one (and I generally dislike CNN!)

First, I am a frequent traveler, and they actually provided some information that I found informative and helpful.

People criticize the airlines for not making quicker announcements about flight delays, but this report discussed why airlines do this. I found it very insightful.

I did think it was rather unbiased and fair reporting, which for CNN is something new (in my humble opinion.)

One quick note. While we blame the media for their coverage of air travel, why do we naturally assume that their coverage of other things, such as politics, is so fair and accurate? Truth is, every industry blames the media for the way they (the various industries) are portrayed.



User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6236 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1148 times:

I actually catched the program by coincidence, but I must say it was actually a pretty good show.Plus the got some really good shots of the aircarft.
Chepos
Puertp Rico



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User currently offlineRC Pilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1147 times:

just watched it

pretty good

im slightly obsessed with planes and this was the show for me.

good shots of the aircraft


User currently offlineSkihigh2002 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1131 times:

Great show! Not biased in any way. They represented equally all the various elements of airline flight. The airlines, ATC, and the pax. Great special!


Chris/MEM


User currently offlineDeltaflot From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 63 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

CNN really did do a good job. Its nice to get the behind the scenes view of all the aspects that must be considered for just one flight. All the planning by flight dispatch to ATC seems like such a daunting task. I'm surprised things really do work as smoothly as they do. I'm glad they chose to use an AA filght as their example to follow from point to point. I haven't flown them with their new improved coach seating (MRTC) and wow...looked very comfortable! Wish VS would take some hints off of AA. All in all a great special...and what are those folks in Boston complaining about? I'd love to have a 767 cruise over my house at 500ft. Well, eventually it may get annoying but imagine the great photos.

User currently offlineCo/ba From United States of America, joined May 2001, 399 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1118 times:

I've seen this report before and I think it was almost unbiased and good journalism but it still has its moments. The best program I've seen about airlines/airports was Behind Closed doors on A&E with Joan London. AA lets her work for a day at ORD.

User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3997 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1117 times:

Did you guys se the part where they showed the Continental MD-80 coming in for a landing at ERW in the strong winds? those winds were blowing that plane all over the place! that looked like it was one hairy landing!


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User currently offlineSkihigh2002 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1104 times:

About the BOS thing.. I have never understood why people gripe that the jets come over their head. Even though I love airplanes, coming over that low can ruin your TV and radio signals as well as phone. BUT, if you hate it so much..... here's a novel idea..... MOVE!! It's not really hard in today's economy to find a new house! SO.. my point to these Bostonians is stop griping, air travel is an inevitable thing. The airport's already bordered on one side by water. What more do you want! So move away, it's not hard. Well that's my rant..  Smile

Chris/MEM


User currently offlineBlink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5485 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1098 times:

I thought it was good, and I was happy that CNN didn't make up a whole bunch of lies, but rather covered every step of the flight(from AA control center, cameras at ORD, EWR etc).
About the Bostonians opposing the new runway:
First of all: Massport WANTS to help you, the new runway would balance out the noise

Secondly: When you all moved over there, you knew it was going to happen, so the only people who have a right to complain are to the older people who have been living there when Logan was a small airport.

Third: They keep complaining about delays, but when Massport comes up with a solution, they oppose it!

No offence or anything, but that Boston family who was interviewed in their house said, " When we moved here, we knew what we were in for, and we knew it would be bad, but not this bad"

Gee, they KNEW this was going to happen, right away they shouldn't have moved there in the first place!

Those people sound like a lot of people complaining at DAL, the people KNOW about the plans, and THEN they move there and they complain!
rgds,
blink182



Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineIAHERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 677 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1093 times:

Thanks to the original poster of this topic as I found out about the program from this site.
I found the program to be one of the best accounts of the current situation that has been done in the past few years. I know EWR and regularly fly in and out of that airport. It is a love hate relationship. It keeps pilots on their toes while offering pasangers a great view of the city.
My respect for those in airline operations has increased to a new level as the program offered us insight as to the level of decesions that take place every hour in the war room.
This summer has been noticibly different than those in the past with regards to ground delays by ATC. It seems there is more communication than ever before and local controlers are kept in the loop by those in DC. Center delays are down a bit and the overall system has run quite smoothly. Both LGA and EWR are a good test bed for the nations ATC system and I believe they have both reported a decrease in long departure delays. We do need more runways at key airports and we need them yesterday! Those who will continue to fight noise yet move into neighborhoods known for airport noise will lose this battle. If ticket prices are to remain low as they are today, then we need to be able to increase capacity at the busy airports. The airspace issue will be worked out in the next 5 years I hope.
Good for CNN! Keep up the good work!



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User currently offlineHypermike From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1069 times:

I caught this last night, too.

One of the things that I found interesting, and I don't think enough focus was place on it, was the fact that a lot of congestion would be relieved if the airlines would stop scheduling flights for the top and bottom of the hour. By spreading out the number of flights around the hour, things would get much better.

The problem goes back to the early days of the CRS (computer reservation system). If you tell your travel agent you want to fly ORD-LGA at 10:00, and there is an AA flight at 10:00, a UA at 10:05, and a US at 10:10, AA will almost always carry more people because it would show up at the top of the listing. This happens because you wanted to leave at 10, and the AA flight at 10 is closest to when you wanted to leave. That's something the airlines really need to work out, IMHO.

Honestly, I think CNN has been really good about unbiased journalism. They tend to be a little more conservative than the other media outlets, making them appear to be biased. Again, just my opinion.


User currently offlineBlink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5485 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1059 times:

Hypermike- I too agree with you about the scheduling and CNN.

Also what makes it a little worse for the traveler, but yet better for the airlines is that they have "hub shifts" and at most major hubs, there are usually 2 or 3 times during the day in 2-3 hour blocks and they schedual the international arrivals and departures in between, and at the end of the day. This is when a lot of flights arrive and depart. This is easier for the airlines as they can schedual the long hauls to come in about an hour to an hour and a half before a lot of domestic flights depart so it moves in shifts.

This causes some delays for arriving flights(more gates will be occupied, longer wait for landing) and departing flights(long runway lines), but if you have an airport like DFW(I am not showing "favoritism, DFW is a perfect example here) or ATL is a good one too. Both airports have a lot of runways and none intersect with each other so you have shorter landing and takeoff ques. At DFW, you can get 7 planes in and out at the same time.
rgds,
blink182



Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1046 times:

The show was pretty good. The people that live next to BOS did piss me off. I'm affraid that because of people like them, new runways will not be built which would eventually lead to another air disaster, probably on the ground like what happened in 1977. I also cannot understand how airplanes flying low over your house can be a bad thing!  Smile I expressed my views in an e-mail I sent those people earlier today.
You can do the same thing by visiting their website at: http://www.unitedagainstmassport.org/index.html

LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineBaldguy From Canada, joined May 2001, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1025 times:

What I found most extraordinary on the show was when they shut down airspace for 25 miles around EWR to allow Air Force One to land.

I'm not saying security shouldn't be taken seriously, but couldn't the Air Force One boys lighten up a bit? It seems a bit imperialist to have a democratically-elected leader screwing up the lives of so many people every time he travels.

Couldn't they use Air Force bases exclusively for Air Force One? Or lighten up on the amount of airspace that is closed, and the time it is closed up?

And the CO M80 landing was spectack !


User currently offlinePenguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1015 times:

Chicago Tracon: Air Force One I told you to expedite!

Something about 747s and missles in the New York area..hmmm.

I'm JOKING people.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1010 times:

I forgot to watch the show, but that United Against Massport site just made me laugh. They want a moratorium on all takeoffs over Boston, etc. I will make sure I watch the program though when it reruns.

Jeff


User currently offlineFlygirl From Canada, joined Jun 2011, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1000 times:

For the people who missed seeing this program being aired on CNN you can pick it up on their website.

Here is the link:

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/presents/index.html

or read the transcript at:

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/02/cp.00.html


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