1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 5774 posts, RR: 2 Posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 548 times:
According to a post on FT, it looks like the planned T2 to T4 walkway has officially been scrapped. From what I heard, Delta will instead add more shuttle buses running more frequently, and the buses will use a dedicated travel path.
IMO, in addition to more frequent buses, Delta should add some New Flyer Xcelsior articulated buses. Articulated buses would provide more capacity, thus alleviating overcrowding.
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STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16270 posts, RR: 52 Reply 1, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 557 times:
It's was going to be too long of a walk anyway, even with moving sidewalks. It's pretty clear DL's plans for JFK have changed over the last couple years, ideas of turning JFK into a connecting hub (EWR) are not going to work. Thus the LGA slot swap, where they are building a terminal to terminal connector.
spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 557 times:
I am a bit disappointed . I hate hate hate the buses and being packed into them llike that. Personally, it doesn't bode well with my claustrophobia.
airliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 878 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 558 times:
Now, total speculation but this could be because they don't plan on keeping T2 much longer. They could plan on building a new terminal and connect that to T4. Or they could do some kind of gate swap where other airlines go to T2. My point being, they may not plan on using T2 long enough to make it worth while.
spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 560 times:
Would be cool if DL and AA switched terminals, but why would DL want to juat abandon a half-built terminal into which they've sunk a lot of money. Also, why would AA want to leave their terminal and move to an older one and a half-built one with less gate space?
klkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 803 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 558 times:
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 5): but why would DL want to juat abandon a half-built terminal into which they've sunk a lot of money. Also, why would AA want to leave their terminal and move to an older one and a half-built one with less gate space?
I think American would only need the nine new gates at T4 if this was to take place. T2 and T3 would close. Delta would instantly get the gates they need at T8. It would be a win/win situation for both airlines but I don't see it happening.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19721 posts, RR: 56 Reply 7, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 558 times:
Quoting klkla (Reply 6): I think American would only need the nine new gates at T4 if this was to take place. T2 and T3 would close. Delta would instantly get the gates they need at T8. It would be a win/win situation for both airlines but I don't see it happening.
It wouldn't be a win for AA - they can't run their JFK operation with nine gates, even if they scaled it down somewhat. They'd have to really draw down at the airport in order to fit into T4.
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PIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 469 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 558 times:
Well we do know that DL will get a few more gates in T4, i believe they will have 12-15 all together in T4. Plus if they decide to finish building out and make an RJ concourse at the end of the pier it would take care all of AA needs since they run a much smaller operation at JFK then DL does. I don't believe that this will happen at all just an opinion on how it could be done. This was one of the T4 renderings that they accidentally released into the press that was later pulled down, i was lucky enough to save it before it disapeared.
Deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8591 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 559 times:
Quoting klkla (Reply 6): I think American would only need the nine new gates at T4 if this was to take place. T2 and T3 would close. Delta would instantly get the gates they need at T8. It would be a win/win situation for both airlines but I don't see it happening.
minus the fact that Delta would have to build T8 all the way out.....and still end up with less gates than they have at T2/3
Oh and AA would need (at least) all of T4B
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16270 posts, RR: 52 Reply 16, posted (6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 559 times:
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 15): Delta was never trying to make JFK into EWR. JFK's domestic network will stay pretty much right where it is for the future...
I can remember a direct quote from Leo Mullin during the first attempt at the JFK project that DL was going to "replicate what CO has done with their EWR hub". I've been looking for that article this morning but I'm having trouble finding it, I remember discussing it on here.
Here's what I did find,
Quote: "Continental is a worthy opponent and has done a nice job at Newark," Mullin said. "But we feel the expansion opportunity is greater at JFK because Newark and LaGuardia are (physically) constrained."
delta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 576 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 561 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 16): I can remember a direct quote from Leo Mullin during the first attempt at the JFK project that DL was going to "replicate what CO has done with their EWR hub". I've been looking for that article this morning but I'm having trouble finding it, I remember discussing it on here.
There have been 2 CEO's since Mr. Mullin; I would hardly take what he said years ago as indicative of what DL's plans are now. He also thought hourly service to all major cities from ATL was key to success too (DFW,PHL,LGA,ORD,EWR,BOS, DCA, etc.). Does anyone remember SkyDeli? He was wrong on many accounts and some would say led DL to BK (well he and his other cronies).
Back to NYC and DL's strategy, I think the leaders of DL now see NYC for what it is: JFK for international, with connecting service to many "spokes" and LGA with service to as many cities as will support it, within perimeter. I don't think the current DL leadership have any delusions to think they can replicate what UA has at EWR. People forget how may folks thought CO was crazy for building up EWR when they began the buildup; the thinking then was "why EWR?" Clearly, it was a brilliant move (along with other initiatives CO achieved under Bethune). They really turned themselves around and now UA is benefitting from it.
And why in the world would AA ever let their Terminal 8 go to DL? That is one beautiful terminal! The only way I could see that happening would be if AA merged with JetBlue and got terminals 5/6.
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justplanenutz From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 428 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 563 times:
Quoting delta2ual (Reply 17): The only way I could see that happening would be if AA merged with JetBlue and got terminals 5/6.
A physical connection to T5 and a closer relationship with B6 (merger or codeshare) would be the only advantage to AA in swapping. Perhaps if BA said "no way, no how" to co-locating in an expanded T8 that might help too.
jfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2671 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 553 times:
Quoting delta2ual (Reply 17): Back to NYC and DL's strategy, I think the leaders of DL now see NYC for what it is: JFK for international, with connecting service to many "spokes" and LGA with service to as many cities as will support it, within perimeter. I don't think the current DL leadership have any delusions to think they can replicate what UA has at EWR. People forget how may folks thought CO was crazy for building up EWR when they began the buildup; the thinking then was "why EWR?" Clearly, it was a brilliant move (along with other initiatives CO achieved under Bethune). They really turned themselves around and now UA is benefitting from it.
That's interesting, because when they branded their hub at JFK just a few years ago, that wasn't their plan. Seems like Delta's plan for JFK and NYC changes frequently. Hopefully this one works for them. They seem to be in a good place now
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