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Which Large Airlines Have Either No A Or B Planes?  
User currently offline3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 235 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

Just wondering, which large(ish) airlines have no aircraft from one of the major two manufacturers, Airbus or Boeing?

The only ones that come to mind, and I'm not sure if I'm correct but:

American (Boeing only? No more A300s)
Iberia?

And low cost carriers don't count either, because almost all of them fly a single manufacturer.

[Edited 2012-11-16 10:46:55]

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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11638 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

Quoting 3rdGen (Thread starter):
And low cost carriers don't count either, because almost all of them fly a single manufacturer.

That does seem slightly odd, considering it's single manufacturer fleets that you are asking for.

Others which come to mind:

TAP
Aer Lingus
Finnair
El Al
RAM
Icelandair

If you discount those also operating BAe, Bombardier or Embraer aircraft under the main brand, there are many more.


Dan  



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30872 posts, RR: 86
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1775 times:
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American currently doesn't have any Airbus planes, but that will be changing in the years ahead (doubly so if they merge with US Airways).

I don't know if you'd consider them "large", but Alaska Airlines only flies Boeing.

And I believe you would consider Southwest and Ryanair to be large and they're all-Boeing. As is easyjet (all Airbus).

[Edited 2012-11-16 10:32:20]

User currently offline3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

No, what I am asking for is fleets with either: no boeing aircraft, or no airbus aircraft. i.e. American Airlines, which contains MDs and Boeings (although they have airbus on order). There are very few large airlines that lack either an Airbus or Boeing type.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
And I believe you would consider Southwest and Ryanair to be large and they're all-Boeing. As is easyjet (all Airbus).

Ya its easy with the LCCs, because they usually only fly one type anyway, so its not hard. I was thinking more along the lines of a Legacy carrier with a number of different types for different missions, short/medium/long haul. American is the best example I can think of

[Edited 2012-11-16 10:34:34]

User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1764 times:

I too was confused by the thread title; thought you were asking for airlines operating neither Airbus nor Boeing (in which case there aren't any, depending on your definition of "large airline"). Only one manufacturer out of the two; now that's a long list. PlymSpotter named quite a few.

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3048 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1764 times:

Alaska
Southwest
West Jet
ANA (I think they phased out their A321s already)
Ryanair


User currently offline3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 4):
I too was confused by the thread title; thought you were asking for airlines operating neither Airbus nor Boeing

Ya sorry for that, don't really know what else to call this thread.

EDIT: added the "either" in the title, maybe that will help.

[Edited 2012-11-16 10:48:02]

User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

isn't JAL all Boeing ? LH is nearly all Airbus

User currently offlinen729pa From UK - England, joined Jan 2011, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1761 times:

Japan Airlines....no Airbuses now
Swiss......no Boeings
Alaska.....no Airbuses
South African Airways.....no Boeings?
Transaero, Kenya Airways, LOT , Ethiopian .....no Airbuses
Cyprus Airways, Air Malta, MEA .....no Boeings

Interesting question....gets the brain going!


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7396 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1761 times:

Quoting n729pa (Reply 8):
Japan Airlines....no Airbuses now

NH is retiring their A320s soon, (or already have) so they'll too become an all-B airline.

JS flies neither Airbus or Boeing

  



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User currently offlineFuling From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
Finnair

Has AY already phased out all their Boeing 757?

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 7):
LH is nearly all Airbus

LH still has quite a few B737 and B747-400 to get rid of first. However, LH have just recently started taking delivery of the new B747-8i, so I guess Boeing aircraft will remain in the LH fleet for a while yet.


User currently offlinespottingpete93 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

The largest one i can think of that doesn't operate either Airbus or Boeing is Flybe - they operate Dash 8s and Embraers only and have a fleet of about 70 aircraft

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11638 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1764 times:

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 3):
There are very few large airlines that lack either an Airbus or Boeing type.

I'd venture a guess that there are more majors/flag carriers with such a fleet than major LCCs flying just one type.

AeroMexico
TACA
Belavia
LOT
Swiss
Olympic Air/Agean
UTAir (A321 on order)
Gulf Air (788 on order)
Air Mauritius
Yemenia
MEA
Ethiopian (350 on order)
Kenya Airways
Brussels Airlines (737s wfu)
Transaero
Air Malta
Cyprus Airways

For every carrier with a new manufacturer on order, I can think of another which is going to a one manufacturer fleet.


Dan  



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11638 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

Quoting Fuling (Reply 10):
Has AY already phased out all their Boeing 757?

Good point, was thinking they were operated by Air Finland, but they are no longer around.


Dan 



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3048 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 7):
LH is nearly all Airbus


LH is the launch customer for the 747-8I, so "nearly" doesn't count.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 7):
isn't JAL all Boeing ?

Yep, if you count the MD-90s they inherited from JAS as Boeing.

Quoting n729pa (Reply 8):
South African Airways.....no Boeings?

They fly the 737-800.


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3411 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1761 times:

Widerøe neither A or B only Bombardier

Flybe neither A or B only Embraer & Bombardier



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User currently offlinehorstroad From Germany, joined Apr 2010, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1760 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 7):
LH is nearly all Airbus

LH has 221 Airbus and 70 Boeing. that´s 3.1 : 1, I wouldn´t call that 'nearly all airbus'


User currently offlineFuling From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1760 times:

Jetstar could be put in if we include LCC, however they have B787 on order.

User currently offlineCaspian27 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

Probably not what you're thinking of, but regional airlines can be quite large and don't possess either Boeing or Airbus equipment. OO for example has over 320 airframes, all Bombardier or Embraer.


Meanwhile, somewhere 35,000 ft above your head...
User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1760 times:

COPA in Panama has a whole lot of Boeing 737NGs, a couple Embraers, but no Airbus aircraft.


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User currently onlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1760 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 7):
LH is nearly all Airbus

You must be joking! In addition to the 737s and 747s of LH mainline that have already been pointed out, their wholly owned subsidiaries operate one of the most varied fleets of western airliners that you can find. ATRs, Avros, Boeings, Bombardiers/Canadairs, Embraers, Fokkers, MDs... they have them all.



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1760 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 20):
You must be joking! In addition to the 737s and 747s of LH mainline that have already been pointed out, their wholly owned subsidiaries operate one of the most varied fleets of western airliners that you can find. ATRs, Avros, Boeings, Bombardiers/Canadairs, Embraers, Fokkers, MDs... they have them all.

Really ... you're counting cargo divisions now ?

LH mainline is ~75% Airbus so calling it "mostly Airbus" isn't too stretching it. LH+OS+LX probably increases the Airbus ratio even further.


User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1760 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 21):
LH mainline is ~75% Airbus so calling it "mostly Airbus" isn't too stretching it.

I think the reason people are disagreeing so strongly is that the absolute numbers involved are so large.

On LH mainline, there about 220 Airbus aircraft vs. over 70 Boeing aircraft.

That does make LH a "mostly Airbus" airline, but it makes them irrelevant to this thread because - after all - they operate a sub-fleet of Boeings that is larger than most airlines' total fleet.



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User currently onlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1760 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 21):
Really ... you're counting cargo divisions now ?

Since LH Cargo is a wholly owned subsidiary, I counted it - that shouldn't be

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 21):
stretching it

too far for someone who considers a fleet with 25% Boeing aircraft in it to be

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 7):
nearly all Airbus



[Edited 2012-11-16 13:35:54]


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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1760 times:

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 22):
That does make LH a "mostly Airbus" airline, but it makes them irrelevant to this thread because - after all - they operate a sub-fleet of Boeings that is larger than most airlines' total fleet.

Then at what point is "mostly" a suitable descriptor ? 90%? 95%?

UA mainline is "only" 78% Boeing, so I guess you can't call it "mostly Boeing" either.


25 flyPBA : y'all are forgetting SkyWest/ExpressJet ...
26 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Technically 50.000000001% and above
27 UALWN : IB doesn't fly any Boeing. Neither do VY or U2.
28 Post contains images aloges : "Mostly" is far from the same as "nearly all", your use of which was the reason for my strong disagreement in the first place. I'll happily agree wit
29 blueflyer : By my book, flybe is pretty large, certainly larger than some of the other airlines already mentioned, and it has no aircraft from Airbus and Boeing.
30 American 767 : Those who live in France probably remember Air Inter, it used to be a French domestic airline. They flew mostly French built planes (A300, A320, A330,
31 anrec80 : There is also Air Koryo - neither A nor B.
32 HOONS90 : All Airbus Sri Lankan Airlines Aegean Airlines Sichuan Airlines Afriqiyah MEA Cyprus Airways Onur Air Aircalin Virgin America Mandala Tiger Airways Sp
33 KFlyer : Perhaps why not change the thread title to "Which large airlines have either only A or B planes". I feel that it is still a bit misleading.
34 rotating14 : What ever happened to the speculation of the widebody order from South African Airways?
35 American 767 : I think they have two left, one 300 and one 400. They'll be gone early next year. By then SN will be Boeing free.
36 Post contains images PlymSpotter : I was under the impression that they are being used as 'hot spares' but are weeks from leaving altogether. Well they have Antonovs but no Berievs Dan
37 liftsifter : Apart from the Ebrarer regionals, Royal Jordanian operates an entirely Airbus fleet, until the 787 begins arriving.
38 metjetCEO : Azul is all ERJ, right
39 AirframeAS : Frontier is all Airbus. Horizon Air has neither A or B.
40 JumboJim747 : Virgin blue doesnt operate airbus
41 rjm777ual : Finnair still has their fleet of 757's, and ANA still has A320's, so they're out of the question. South African has some 737's, I believe they are -80
42 MattH : Westjet in Canada has a fleet of Boeing 737NGs. As an aside, Jazz Air has a fairly large (relative to other CDN airlines) fleet of Bombardier aircraft
43 American 767 : This will change already in one year from now, even if AA doesn't merge with US or B6. The first A319 or A321 is expected end of 2013. American will
44 brilondon : I thought that they had B737's.
45 BoeingGuy : Didn't they have them on order? Yes, that's what I said in an earlier post - 737-800s. I think they merged with AF. Air Inter did look seriously at t
46 BoeingGuy : Didn't they have them on order? I think it was more than just considering. Yes, that's what I said in an earlier post - 737-800s. I think they merged
47 Post contains links Viscount724 : And originally all Boeing. TWA ordered 20 A330s (with options on 20 more) in 1989, 3 years before the A330 had even flown. http://www.nytimes.com/198
48 Post contains images B6JFKH81 : ...and soon the A321 too. B6 flies the E190, but not the E170. They were actually the launch customer for the E190.
49 rjm777ual : Neo!
50 B6JFKH81 : The A321's are not going to be NEOs, in fact they are going to start arriving in 2013. The NEOs (as of right now) are A320's and those aren't due to
51 vhqpa : Well Virgin Blue doesn't exist in that form anymore. However Virgin Australia operates the following (not counting Skywest's ATR72 operation) - 18 Em
52 AirframeAS : Which you would be correct. So? The QX pilots don't fly the 737 and the AS pilots don't fly the Q400 nor the CR7's. Horizon may be under the AAG but
53 yeelep : Well, to be pedantic, QX doesn't fly the CR7 for AS anymore. That flying is now done by OO. Skywest (OO) is also non A or B airline, that while operat
54 abrown532 : Air Tahiti Nui is only A340!
55 Post contains images scbriml : Doesn't matter as it still doesn't apply in the context this thread.
56 afterburner : AirAsia group of airlines only operates A320 and A330. Indonesia AirAsia used to operates several classic 737 though.
57 TK1244 : Not the largest airlines but to name a few: All Boeing Arkefly Transavia Pegasus Airlines Turkmenistan Airlines SunExpress Anadolujet All Airbus Atlas
58 Alasizon : That is not true, as some people have brought up, Skywest, although a regional, is still not operating either and operates a very large and vast flee
59 fanofjets : There's Mesa Airlines, which flies a Canadair/Bombardier/De Havilland Canada fleet for a host of legacy carriers. Thus neither Airbus nor Boeing.
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