3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 162 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (6 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 822 times:
No, what I am asking for is fleets with either: no boeing aircraft, or no airbus aircraft. i.e. American Airlines, which contains MDs and Boeings (although they have airbus on order). There are very few large airlines that lack either an Airbus or Boeing type.
Quoting Stitch (Reply 2): And I believe you would consider Southwest and Ryanair to be large and they're all-Boeing. As is easyjet (all Airbus).
Ya its easy with the LCCs, because they usually only fly one type anyway, so its not hard. I was thinking more along the lines of a Legacy carrier with a number of different types for different missions, short/medium/long haul. American is the best example I can think of
leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 647 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (6 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 814 times:
I too was confused by the thread title; thought you were asking for airlines operating neither Airbus nor Boeing (in which case there aren't any, depending on your definition of "large airline"). Only one manufacturer out of the two; now that's a long list. PlymSpotter named quite a few.
n729pa From UK - England, joined Jan 2011, 262 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 811 times:
Japan Airlines....no Airbuses now
Swiss......no Boeings
Alaska.....no Airbuses
South African Airways.....no Boeings?
Transaero, Kenya Airways, LOT , Ethiopian .....no Airbuses
Cyprus Airways, Air Malta, MEA .....no Boeings
LH still has quite a few B737 and B747-400 to get rid of first. However, LH have just recently started taking delivery of the new B747-8i, so I guess Boeing aircraft will remain in the LH fleet for a while yet.
spottingpete93 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 68 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (6 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 817 times:
The largest one i can think of that doesn't operate either Airbus or Boeing is Flybe - they operate Dash 8s and Embraers only and have a fleet of about 70 aircraft
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11111 posts, RR: 63 Reply 12, posted (6 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 814 times:
Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 3): There are very few large airlines that lack either an Airbus or Boeing type.
I'd venture a guess that there are more majors/flag carriers with such a fleet than major LCCs flying just one type.
AeroMexico
TACA
Belavia
LOT
Swiss
Olympic Air/Agean
UTAir (A321 on order)
Gulf Air (788 on order)
Air Mauritius
Yemenia
MEA
Ethiopian (350 on order)
Kenya Airways
Brussels Airlines (737s wfu)
Transaero
Air Malta
Cyprus Airways
For every carrier with a new manufacturer on order, I can think of another which is going to a one manufacturer fleet.
Caspian27 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 359 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (6 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 812 times:
Probably not what you're thinking of, but regional airlines can be quite large and don't possess either Boeing or Airbus equipment. OO for example has over 320 airframes, all Bombardier or Embraer.
You must be joking! In addition to the 737s and 747s of LH mainline that have already been pointed out, their wholly owned subsidiaries operate one of the most varied fleets of western airliners that you can find. ATRs, Avros, Boeings, Bombardiers/Canadairs, Embraers, Fokkers, MDs... they have them all.
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mogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (6 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 810 times:
Quoting aloges (Reply 20): You must be joking! In addition to the 737s and 747s of LH mainline that have already been pointed out, their wholly owned subsidiaries operate one of the most varied fleets of western airliners that you can find. ATRs, Avros, Boeings, Bombardiers/Canadairs, Embraers, Fokkers, MDs... they have them all.
Really ... you're counting cargo divisions now ?
LH mainline is ~75% Airbus so calling it "mostly Airbus" isn't too stretching it. LH+OS+LX probably increases the Airbus ratio even further.
flyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 992 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (6 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 810 times:
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 21): LH mainline is ~75% Airbus so calling it "mostly Airbus" isn't too stretching it.
I think the reason people are disagreeing so strongly is that the absolute numbers involved are so large.
On LH mainline, there about 220 Airbus aircraft vs. over 70 Boeing aircraft.
That does make LH a "mostly Airbus" airline, but it makes them irrelevant to this thread because - after all - they operate a sub-fleet of Boeings that is larger than most airlines' total fleet.
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mogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (6 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 810 times:
Quoting flyingalex (Reply 22): That does make LH a "mostly Airbus" airline, but it makes them irrelevant to this thread because - after all - they operate a sub-fleet of Boeings that is larger than most airlines' total fleet.
Then at what point is "mostly" a suitable descriptor ? 90%? 95%?
UA mainline is "only" 78% Boeing, so I guess you can't call it "mostly Boeing" either.
25 flyPBA: y'all are forgetting SkyWest/ExpressJet ...
26 PlymSpotter: Technically 50.000000001% and above
27 UALWN: IB doesn't fly any Boeing. Neither do VY or U2.
28 aloges: "Mostly" is far from the same as "nearly all", your use of which was the reason for my strong disagreement in the first place. I'll happily agree wit
29 blueflyer: By my book, flybe is pretty large, certainly larger than some of the other airlines already mentioned, and it has no aircraft from Airbus and Boeing.
30 American 767: Those who live in France probably remember Air Inter, it used to be a French domestic airline. They flew mostly French built planes (A300, A320, A330,
31 anrec80: There is also Air Koryo - neither A nor B.
32 HOONS90: All Airbus Sri Lankan Airlines Aegean Airlines Sichuan Airlines Afriqiyah MEA Cyprus Airways Onur Air Aircalin Virgin America Mandala Tiger Airways Sp
33 KFlyer: Perhaps why not change the thread title to "Which large airlines have either only A or B planes". I feel that it is still a bit misleading.
34 rotating14: What ever happened to the speculation of the widebody order from South African Airways?
35 American 767: I think they have two left, one 300 and one 400. They'll be gone early next year. By then SN will be Boeing free.
36 PlymSpotter: I was under the impression that they are being used as 'hot spares' but are weeks from leaving altogether. Well they have Antonovs but no Berievs Dan
37 liftsifter: Apart from the Ebrarer regionals, Royal Jordanian operates an entirely Airbus fleet, until the 787 begins arriving.
41 rjm777ual: Finnair still has their fleet of 757's, and ANA still has A320's, so they're out of the question. South African has some 737's, I believe they are -80
42 MattH: Westjet in Canada has a fleet of Boeing 737NGs. As an aside, Jazz Air has a fairly large (relative to other CDN airlines) fleet of Bombardier aircraft
43 American 767: This will change already in one year from now, even if AA doesn't merge with US or B6. The first A319 or A321 is expected end of 2013. American will
45 BoeingGuy: Didn't they have them on order? Yes, that's what I said in an earlier post - 737-800s. I think they merged with AF. Air Inter did look seriously at t
46 BoeingGuy: Didn't they have them on order? I think it was more than just considering. Yes, that's what I said in an earlier post - 737-800s. I think they merged
47 Viscount724: And originally all Boeing. TWA ordered 20 A330s (with options on 20 more) in 1989, 3 years before the A330 had even flown. http://www.nytimes.com/198
48 B6JFKH81: ...and soon the A321 too. B6 flies the E190, but not the E170. They were actually the launch customer for the E190.
50 B6JFKH81: The A321's are not going to be NEOs, in fact they are going to start arriving in 2013. The NEOs (as of right now) are A320's and those aren't due to
51 vhqpa: Well Virgin Blue doesn't exist in that form anymore. However Virgin Australia operates the following (not counting Skywest's ATR72 operation) - 18 Em
52 AirframeAS: Which you would be correct. So? The QX pilots don't fly the 737 and the AS pilots don't fly the Q400 nor the CR7's. Horizon may be under the AAG but
53 yeelep: Well, to be pedantic, QX doesn't fly the CR7 for AS anymore. That flying is now done by OO. Skywest (OO) is also non A or B airline, that while operat
55 scbriml: Doesn't matter as it still doesn't apply in the context this thread.
56 afterburner: AirAsia group of airlines only operates A320 and A330. Indonesia AirAsia used to operates several classic 737 though.
57 TK1244: Not the largest airlines but to name a few: All Boeing Arkefly Transavia Pegasus Airlines Turkmenistan Airlines SunExpress Anadolujet All Airbus Atlas
58 Alasizon: That is not true, as some people have brought up, Skywest, although a regional, is still not operating either and operates a very large and vast flee
59 fanofjets: There's Mesa Airlines, which flies a Canadair/Bombardier/De Havilland Canada fleet for a host of legacy carriers. Thus neither Airbus nor Boeing.
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