airliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 878 posts, RR: 1 Posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 958 times:
From Tulsa International Airport Facebook page,
Quote: It's already the weekend, but we're ready for Monday!! Why? Because of the new non-stop service coming to TUL!!! Stayed tuned for the Monday announcement!
Fiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1009 posts, RR: 12 Reply 2, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 964 times:
My bet is on WN to either MDW or BWI. OKC has had BWI for a while and usually TUL follows suit if OKC does well on something. I work for UA in TUL and we have heard nothing about it so I would be surprised if we added SFO!
usdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 756 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 971 times:
I agree that TUL-MDW or BWI by WN or TUL-SFO by UA are the most likely contenders, but here are some thoughts.
WN TUL-MCI (reinstatement)
AA TUL-MIA (reinstatement of sorts, unlikely)
WN TUL-AUS (might work well with continuing service to South Texas)
US TUL-CLT
Far-fetched pipe dreams:
G4 TUL-AZA
WN TUL-ICT-DEN x1 (currently nonstop multiple times a day)
WN TUL-ABQ (reinstatement from years ago)
WN TUL-LIT
WN TUL-CUN (although we'd see HOU-CUN first)
DL TUL-LGA
AC TUL-YYC or TUL-YYZ (either operated by Jazz)
B6 or DL TUL-JFK (once flown by TW, I believe)
AS*/QX TUL-SEA
F9 TUL-DEN (reinstatement)
F9 TUL-MSY
southwest737500 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 594 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 971 times:
I put my money on TUL-MDW WN
and CLT-TUL on US
Planes I've been on: Dash8,CRJ 200,CRJ 700,CRJ 900,ERJ 175, ERJ 190, 717,732,733,734,735,737,738.A319,A320,A321,762,763
iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4099 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 972 times:
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Interesting. I will be surprised if it is not WN, and I will be surprised if it's something other than TUL-MDW or BWI. These cities are served out of OKC along with MCI, which I'd say is highly unlikely to come back being such a short distance. This will be an extension covering most of the summer so we may see quite a few changes. TUL should be lucky to get be getting any "LUV" if they do as systemwide capacity planned to be relatively flat for the time being.
mtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2122 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 970 times:
How about SeaPort service to Altus, Enid, Ponca City , etc? lol.
southwest737500 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 594 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 965 times:
I still see a chance of US. I no they flew to OKC(AW) it's funny how people don't say CLT will work where there is 646 flights a day that's double than PHX so wouldn't you think CLT stands a chance
But at the end I honestly believe it will be WN with a TUL-MDW or TUL-BWI
Planes I've been on: Dash8,CRJ 200,CRJ 700,CRJ 900,ERJ 175, ERJ 190, 717,732,733,734,735,737,738.A319,A320,A321,762,763
AWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1420 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 965 times:
Quoting usflyguy (Reply 6): Maybe a weekly MCO for the summer?
OKC will get this LONG before TUL does.
Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 7): AA TUL-MIA (reinstatement of sorts, unlikely)
WN TUL-AUS (might work well with continuing service to South Texas)
US TUL-CLT
Why? As it stands now, Tulsa has non-stop service to Florida, and OKC does not. The markets are very similar - no reason one would get a route over another. And their respective destinations list are extremely similar.
Total daily flights 92 85 64
Total airports 17 23 17
Total cities 15 21 15
Total seats 9,428 7,244 5,914
Interesting. It would be telling to also see the total pax volume at TUL for those 3 years listed; I'm sure all of the categories would continue to show obvious relationships/synergies.
Nice to hear of something new coming to TUL. I hope it's something significant.
Just since nobody's mentioned it, I'll go with Spirit to DFW. (But down deep inside, I'd probably bet on Canyon Blue.)
AWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1420 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 963 times:
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 19):
Why? As it stands now, Tulsa has non-stop service to Florida, and OKC does not. The markets are very similar - no reason one would get a route over another. And their respective destinations list are extremely similar
The MIA service is solely due to AA's maintenance hub at TUL. Take that away, and TUL is pretty close to an all-RJ airport (minus WN).
mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 73 Reply 22, posted (6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 965 times:
Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 21): The MIA service is solely due to AA's maintenance hub at TUL. Take that away, and TUL is pretty close to an all-RJ airport (minus WN).
It was introduced as a temporary route at the time to route planes for seat reconfiguration while the 738s were getting new interiors.
With that no longer needed, the route actually was suspended, but later resumed as a winter-only service (when it was done for maintenance purposes it ran during the summer, too).
jetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2663 posts, RR: 36 Reply 24, posted (6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 963 times:
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 19): Why? As it stands now, Tulsa has non-stop service to Florida, and OKC does not. The markets are very similar - no reason one would get a route over another. And their respective destinations list are extremely similar.
Not really.
OKC has:
AA: DFW, LAX, ORD
WN: DAL, HOU, DEN, LAS, MCI, STL, BWI, MDW, PHX
UA: CLE DEN IAH SFO LAX IAD EWR ORD
DL: MEM SLC ATL DTW MSP
F9: DEN
TUL: AA: DFW, ORD, MIA
WN: DAL, HOU, DEN, LAS, PHX, STL
UA: DEN, IAH, LAX, IAD, EWR, ORD
DL: MEM, SLC, ATL, DTW, MSP
TUL has that OKC does not: MIA-AA
OKC has that TUL does not: LAX-AA, CLE-UA, SFO-UA, MDW-WN, MCI-WN, BWI-WN, DEN-F9
Total pax 2011 Jan-Dec: OKC: 3,561,605 (+2.75% over 2010) TUL: 2,794,290 (-1.84% from 2010)
Fiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1009 posts, RR: 12 Reply 25, posted (6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1042 times:
I'm standing on WN to either/both MDW and BWI. If we (UA) get SFO, I'll be really surprised as again, we haven't heard anything about it internally. Also, mornings are pretty crazy as it is with 4 usable gates with 7 RONs and 6 departures in the first hour or so!
stock1985 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 81 posts, RR: 0 Reply 26, posted (6 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1041 times:
While I do think the new service will be WN to MDW or BWI, since it is coinciding with Southwest's new network release. I wonder when AA will expand LAX services to TUL? This seems like AA's gaping network whole as they continue to expand their LAX.
usdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 756 posts, RR: 2 Reply 29, posted (6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1089 times:
It's posted now, with a notation about the "918" flight number. Very cute. There is now too much service from Tulsa to Chicago. AA does not fill its 738 on most days (unless you count nonrevs), and AA and UA both fly to O'Hare. More capacity will be cut, but Southwest will thrive. My guess is that AA will downgrade ORD to an RJ over the summer. Tulsans love Southwest Airlines in spite of their love/hate relationship with AA. What I wonder, though, is what the future is of the TUL-STL flight; would a number of those passengers now connect over MDW instead of STL? Or is there enough O&D demand between TUL and STL to sustain the flight?
airliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 878 posts, RR: 1 Reply 31, posted (6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1041 times:
Quoting contrails (Reply 30): The MDW news is more than a bit disappointing. I was hoping for a Florida destination.
Its not disappointing at all. It will allow for a lot more connections and great for business passengers. You can easily connect to Florida if you wish but MDW is a much better choice.
iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4099 posts, RR: 7 Reply 32, posted (6 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1030 times:
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Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 29): Or is there enough O&D demand between TUL and STL to sustain the flight?
Barely.
Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 29): would a number of those passengers now connect over MDW instead of STL?
I suspect there will be a loss of some connecting passengers in STL, but not all will choose MDW of course. STL offers markets like DCA (not offered out of MDW), LGA, BOS, Florida, and other places to supplement available MDW connections from TUL.
Quoting contrails (Reply 30): The MDW news is more than a bit disappointing. I was hoping for a Florida destination.
Maybe we could see Allegiant some day TUL-PIE and/or TUL-SFB? This may be the best shot of Florida service from TUL.
ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4007 posts, RR: 23 Reply 33, posted (6 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1012 times:
Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 29): My guess is that AA will downgrade ORD to an RJ over the summer.
Depends on what is needed for mx re-positioning. At some point you just need to get the a/c there and loads be damned.
Quoting contrails (Reply 30):
The MDW news is more than a bit disappointing. I was hoping for a Florida destination.
This is good news for TUL. Could it mean STL goes away over time? Maybe. However, Florida sucks from Oklahoma. Many airlines have tried they all have failed.
Quoting iowaman (Reply 32): Maybe we could see Allegiant some day TUL-PIE and/or TUL-SFB? This may be the best shot of Florida service from TUL.
G4 gave OKC a shot to LAS. They were also ready to announce OKC-SFB, but realized it wasn't going to work and shut the market down (at least we still see a several of their a/c here for mx). Delta, Frontier, and Southwest all had nonstop flights to MCO and they all flopped.
Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
usdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 756 posts, RR: 2 Reply 34, posted (6 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1008 times:
Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 33): However, Florida sucks from Oklahoma. Many airlines have tried they all have failed.
My impression is that Oklahoma beach traffic is spread too thinly over Mexico, California and Florida to warrant nonstop service. It's hard being in the middle of the country with a population of less than a million. Everyone wants to go every which direction at a given time, but there's not enough demand to warrant nonstop flights. By offering MDW, WN likely made a good decision, as that gives TUL flyers more choices for connections to the Upper Midwest and Northeast.
ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4007 posts, RR: 23 Reply 35, posted (6 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 996 times:
Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 34): My impression is that Oklahoma beach traffic is spread too thinly over Mexico, California and Florida to warrant nonstop service. It's hard being in the middle of the country with a population of less than a million. Everyone wants to go every which direction at a given time, but there's not enough demand to warrant nonstop flights. By offering MDW, WN likely made a good decision, as that gives TUL flyers more choices for connections to the Upper Midwest and Northeast.
TUL is probably more prone to leakage than OKC when it comes to Florida as well. You have G4 a short drive away in Springfield and Fayetteville. OKC doesn't really have that exposure, but there is some leakage to DFW if the fares are good enough. The bigger problem is the lack of incentive to run N/S flights to Florida with no real business traffic. If they found massive natural gas pockets in FL that could be drilled, then we would be in business.
Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
contrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1818 posts, RR: 0 Reply 36, posted (6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 952 times:
Quoting airliner371 (Reply 31): Its not disappointing at all. It will allow for a lot more connections and great for business passengers. You can easily connect to Florida if you wish but MDW is a much better choice.
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