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TUL New Air Service Monday 11/19/12  
User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1516 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

From Tulsa International Airport Facebook page,

Quote:
It's already the weekend, but we're ready for Monday!! Why? Because of the new non-stop service coming to TUL!!! Stayed tuned for the Monday announcement!

The same day Southwest extends their schedule...

Your thoughts?


"When everything seems to be going against you, remember that the airplane takes off against the wind, not with it."- HF
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User currently offlinecatdaddy63 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

If it's WN then I'd bet TUL-MDW. But likely SFO on UA.

Here's the current non stop destination list:

http://tulsaairports.com/flight-information/non-stop-destinationa/


User currently offlineFiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1013 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

My bet is on WN to either MDW or BWI. OKC has had BWI for a while and usually TUL follows suit if OKC does well on something. I work for UA in TUL and we have heard nothing about it so I would be surprised if we added SFO!


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User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

My bid is UA to SFO. Possibly LAX?

[Edited 2012-11-16 15:23:10]

User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 3):

Why would TUL be announcing new nonstop service for TUS?



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User currently offlinecatdaddy63 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 3):
My bid is UA to SFO. Possibly LAX?

UA already serves LAX nonstop using the CR7.


User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

WN schedule extension is Monday so BWI or MDW would be good guesses. Maybe a weekly MCO for the summer?


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User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

I agree that TUL-MDW or BWI by WN or TUL-SFO by UA are the most likely contenders, but here are some thoughts.

WN TUL-MCI (reinstatement)
AA TUL-MIA (reinstatement of sorts, unlikely)
WN TUL-AUS (might work well with continuing service to South Texas)
US TUL-CLT

Far-fetched pipe dreams:
G4 TUL-AZA
WN TUL-ICT-DEN x1 (currently nonstop multiple times a day)
WN TUL-ABQ (reinstatement from years ago)
WN TUL-LIT
WN TUL-CUN (although we'd see HOU-CUN first)
DL TUL-LGA
AC TUL-YYC or TUL-YYZ (either operated by Jazz)
B6 or DL TUL-JFK (once flown by TW, I believe)
AS*/QX TUL-SEA
F9 TUL-DEN (reinstatement)
F9 TUL-MSY


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

I put my money on TUL-MDW WN

and CLT-TUL on US


User currently offlineFiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1013 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

US tried OKC-PHX and LAS a few years back and I believe it didn't last long so I wouldn't count on any US service at TUL.


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User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4433 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2115 times:
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Interesting. I will be surprised if it is not WN, and I will be surprised if it's something other than TUL-MDW or BWI. These cities are served out of OKC along with MCI, which I'd say is highly unlikely to come back being such a short distance. This will be an extension covering most of the summer so we may see quite a few changes. TUL should be lucky to get be getting any "LUV" if they do as systemwide capacity planned to be relatively flat for the time being.

User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2113 times:
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How about SeaPort service to Altus, Enid, Ponca City , etc? lol.

Seriously, like to see n/s to MDW.



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User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

wow I didnt realize TUL didnt have MDW service, that kinda surprises me...I'd think that would probaly be a good bet

User currently offlinenomorerjs From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

Doesn't WN have a new schedule coming out on Monday? If so, could be WN to MDW and/or BWI.

User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

I still see a chance of US. I no they flew to OKC(AW) it's funny how people don't say CLT will work where there is 646 flights a day that's double than PHX so wouldn't you think CLT stands a chance

But at the end I honestly believe it will be WN with a TUL-MDW or TUL-BWI


User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4433 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2109 times:
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As with many airports, TUL has seen quite the capacity cuts over the past decade or so. Here are some stats the TUL fans might be enjoy:

2001 2007 2012

Total daily flights 92 85 64

Total airports 17 23 17

Total cities 15 21 15

Total seats 9,428 7,244 5,914


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

Could B6 possibly come to TUL with 1 daily E190

User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33278 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 7):
AA TUL-MIA (reinstatement of sorts, unlikely)

What reinstatement? AA still flies this route seasonally. Actually, it resumed today, Novemer 17th.



a.
User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 6):
Maybe a weekly MCO for the summer?

OKC will get this LONG before TUL does.

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 7):
AA TUL-MIA (reinstatement of sorts, unlikely)
WN TUL-AUS (might work well with continuing service to South Texas)
US TUL-CLT

See my previous statement about OKC > TUL.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33278 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 18):
OKC will get this LONG before TUL does.

Why? As it stands now, Tulsa has non-stop service to Florida, and OKC does not. The markets are very similar - no reason one would get a route over another. And their respective destinations list are extremely similar.



a.
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5594 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Quoting iowaman (Reply 15):

2001 2007 2012

Total daily flights 92 85 64
Total airports 17 23 17
Total cities 15 21 15
Total seats 9,428 7,244 5,914

Interesting. It would be telling to also see the total pax volume at TUL for those 3 years listed; I'm sure all of the categories would continue to show obvious relationships/synergies.

Nice to hear of something new coming to TUL. I hope it's something significant.

Just since nobody's mentioned it, I'll go with Spirit to DFW. (But down deep inside, I'd probably bet on Canyon Blue.)

Good luck everyone!

bb


User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 19):

Why? As it stands now, Tulsa has non-stop service to Florida, and OKC does not. The markets are very similar - no reason one would get a route over another. And their respective destinations list are extremely similar

The MIA service is solely due to AA's maintenance hub at TUL. Take that away, and TUL is pretty close to an all-RJ airport (minus WN).


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33278 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 21):
The MIA service is solely due to AA's maintenance hub at TUL. Take that away, and TUL is pretty close to an all-RJ airport (minus WN).

It was introduced as a temporary route at the time to route planes for seat reconfiguration while the 738s were getting new interiors.

With that no longer needed, the route actually was suspended, but later resumed as a winter-only service (when it was done for maintenance purposes it ran during the summer, too).



a.
User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

I was talking about TUL's AA mx hub...not the route...sorry about the ambiguity.

User currently offlinejetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2850 posts, RR: 33
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 19):
Why? As it stands now, Tulsa has non-stop service to Florida, and OKC does not. The markets are very similar - no reason one would get a route over another. And their respective destinations list are extremely similar.

Not really.

OKC has:

AA: DFW, LAX, ORD
WN: DAL, HOU, DEN, LAS, MCI, STL, BWI, MDW, PHX
UA: CLE DEN IAH SFO LAX IAD EWR ORD
DL: MEM SLC ATL DTW MSP
F9: DEN

TUL: AA: DFW, ORD, MIA
WN: DAL, HOU, DEN, LAS, PHX, STL
UA: DEN, IAH, LAX, IAD, EWR, ORD
DL: MEM, SLC, ATL, DTW, MSP

TUL has that OKC does not: MIA-AA

OKC has that TUL does not: LAX-AA, CLE-UA, SFO-UA, MDW-WN, MCI-WN, BWI-WN, DEN-F9

Total pax 2011 Jan-Dec:
OKC: 3,561,605 (+2.75% over 2010)
TUL: 2,794,290 (-1.84% from 2010)

[Edited 2012-11-17 18:48:53]


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User currently offlineFiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1013 posts, RR: 14
Reply 25, posted (2 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

I'm standing on WN to either/both MDW and BWI. If we (UA) get SFO, I'll be really surprised as again, we haven't heard anything about it internally. Also, mornings are pretty crazy as it is with 4 usable gates with 7 RONs and 6 departures in the first hour or so!


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User currently offlinestock1985 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

While I do think the new service will be WN to MDW or BWI, since it is coinciding with Southwest's new network release. I wonder when AA will expand LAX services to TUL? This seems like AA's gaping network whole as they continue to expand their LAX.

User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4433 posts, RR: 6
Reply 27, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2329 times:
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TUL-MDW is coming next June:

916 6:25A 8:10A _____6_ N/S
918 11:45A 1:30P 12345_7 N/S

MDW-TUL:

2113 2:30P 4:15P _____6_ N/S
3336 3:20P 5:05P 12345_7 N/S

Other new routes discussed in other thread as well:

WN November 19 Schedule Release/Route Discussions (by iowaman Oct 24 2012 in Civil Aviation)

For those too lazy to look in the other thread, so far others have also found:

LGA-HOU (2x)
DAL-ICT (2x)
MDW-ICT(2x)
LAS-ICT(1x)

Cuts:

BHM-JAX
BHM-MSY


User currently offlineFiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1013 posts, RR: 14
Reply 28, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

So that's it? TUL-MDW on WN? The TAA Facebook site hasn't posted yet...they say "It's not time yet."


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User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 29, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

It's posted now, with a notation about the "918" flight number. Very cute. There is now too much service from Tulsa to Chicago. AA does not fill its 738 on most days (unless you count nonrevs), and AA and UA both fly to O'Hare. More capacity will be cut, but Southwest will thrive. My guess is that AA will downgrade ORD to an RJ over the summer. Tulsans love Southwest Airlines in spite of their love/hate relationship with AA. What I wonder, though, is what the future is of the TUL-STL flight; would a number of those passengers now connect over MDW instead of STL? Or is there enough O&D demand between TUL and STL to sustain the flight?

User currently offlinecontrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1834 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

The MDW news is more than a bit disappointing. I was hoping for a Florida destination.


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User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1516 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

Quoting contrails (Reply 30):
The MDW news is more than a bit disappointing. I was hoping for a Florida destination.

Its not disappointing at all. It will allow for a lot more connections and great for business passengers. You can easily connect to Florida if you wish but MDW is a much better choice.



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User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4433 posts, RR: 6
Reply 32, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2175 times:
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Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 29):
Or is there enough O&D demand between TUL and STL to sustain the flight?

Barely.

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 29):
would a number of those passengers now connect over MDW instead of STL?

I suspect there will be a loss of some connecting passengers in STL, but not all will choose MDW of course. STL offers markets like DCA (not offered out of MDW), LGA, BOS, Florida, and other places to supplement available MDW connections from TUL.

Quoting contrails (Reply 30):
The MDW news is more than a bit disappointing. I was hoping for a Florida destination.

Maybe we could see Allegiant some day TUL-PIE and/or TUL-SFB? This may be the best shot of Florida service from TUL.


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4615 posts, RR: 23
Reply 33, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2156 times:

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 29):
My guess is that AA will downgrade ORD to an RJ over the summer.

Depends on what is needed for mx re-positioning. At some point you just need to get the a/c there and loads be damned.

Quoting contrails (Reply 30):

The MDW news is more than a bit disappointing. I was hoping for a Florida destination.

This is good news for TUL. Could it mean STL goes away over time? Maybe. However, Florida sucks from Oklahoma. Many airlines have tried they all have failed.

Quoting iowaman (Reply 32):
Maybe we could see Allegiant some day TUL-PIE and/or TUL-SFB? This may be the best shot of Florida service from TUL.

G4 gave OKC a shot to LAS. They were also ready to announce OKC-SFB, but realized it wasn't going to work and shut the market down (at least we still see a several of their a/c here for mx). Delta, Frontier, and Southwest all had nonstop flights to MCO and they all flopped.


User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 34, posted (2 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 33):
However, Florida sucks from Oklahoma. Many airlines have tried they all have failed.

My impression is that Oklahoma beach traffic is spread too thinly over Mexico, California and Florida to warrant nonstop service. It's hard being in the middle of the country with a population of less than a million. Everyone wants to go every which direction at a given time, but there's not enough demand to warrant nonstop flights. By offering MDW, WN likely made a good decision, as that gives TUL flyers more choices for connections to the Upper Midwest and Northeast.


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4615 posts, RR: 23
Reply 35, posted (2 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 34):
My impression is that Oklahoma beach traffic is spread too thinly over Mexico, California and Florida to warrant nonstop service. It's hard being in the middle of the country with a population of less than a million. Everyone wants to go every which direction at a given time, but there's not enough demand to warrant nonstop flights. By offering MDW, WN likely made a good decision, as that gives TUL flyers more choices for connections to the Upper Midwest and Northeast.

TUL is probably more prone to leakage than OKC when it comes to Florida as well. You have G4 a short drive away in Springfield and Fayetteville. OKC doesn't really have that exposure, but there is some leakage to DFW if the fares are good enough. The bigger problem is the lack of incentive to run N/S flights to Florida with no real business traffic. If they found massive natural gas pockets in FL that could be drilled, then we would be in business.


User currently offlinecontrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1834 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (2 years 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2095 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 31):
Its not disappointing at all. It will allow for a lot more connections and great for business passengers. You can easily connect to Florida if you wish but MDW is a much better choice.

It's disappointing to me.



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