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LH Just Seems So Thrilled With Their 747-8i's  
User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2885 posts, RR: 10
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2379 times:
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Today I watched the 747-8 dedicated site on Lufthansa.com and by the way they talk about it, and all the footage and fly arounds and fly throughs, it would lead one to think it's the best choice for a jumbo bar-none!

Frankly they do a better job selling it than Boeing's site. With that kind of fan-fare from one of the world's most respected airlines...why aren't they selling? Lufthansa is reporting real life numbers supporting it's performance etc.

All I am aware of is the 25 orders from LH plus another 50 options, I think 16 for Korean and a few Asian carriers thinking about it.

I have read here all the "why's" it's the wrong plane and an old design...but not to LH!

So rather than bash it more (I have read enough of that) why is it so right?


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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

It's just right. Coz it's a 747   You don;t need any more explanation than that

I would love to see it in more airlines and even though it doesn't look too promising for the 748i at the moment, you never know what will happen. Fingers crossed we will see it sell well. Would love to see it in the colours of the likes of CX, NZ, KL, TG etc..


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30900 posts, RR: 87
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2431 times:
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Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
All I am aware of is the 25 orders from LH plus another 50 options, I think 16 for Korean and a few Asian carriers thinking about it.

LH has 20 orders and 20 options. KE and CA each have 5 and W3 has 2.



Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
So rather than bash it more (I have read enough of that) why is it so right?

It's right for LH because they have two types of routes: one with high-demand for both premium and tourist travel and one where premium demand is strong, but tourist is not as strong.

In the former, they send the A380-800 which has plenty of space for premium seating and plenty of space for tourist seating. In the latter, they send the 747-8 which, when configured for a heavy premium seating ratio, does not have as much space to offer for tourist seating.


User currently offlineEyeSky From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2420 times:
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Don't forget how slow out of the gate the 737 was. The program was nearly canceled several times and the whole thing was offered for sale at one point in the 70's. Much of this had to do with the enormous cost involved with Boeing developing new aircraft (757/767) and the overall bad economic conditions at the time. Today its the best selling single aisle twin out there.

True, unlike the 737 in the 70's the 747 is a mature airframe/program but I think the current world economy may be the key factor playing into many airlines holding back on ordering the 747-8i.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8703 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 2):
And to actually request that people only post saying nice things about the 748i is borderline insanity.

Come on, we aren't talking to the world's biggest fan of the 764.   VC10er was just asking for some background info as opposed to the usual comments aimed at slow-selling aircraft.



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User currently offlineJHCRJ700 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2407 times:

Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 2):
The reason you have read a lot of negative comments about the 748I is because there isn’t a lot of positive things to say about it. And to actually request that people only post saying nice things about the 748i is borderline insanity.

If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all.

I just read a great article where the author flew on a Lufty A380 over to Germany and flew back on a 748 and compared the two. He liked the 748 better. Had nothing but great things to say about the passenger experience on the new plane. Hearing that Lufthansa likes them so much is awesome. Here's hoping for more orders.



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User currently offlineCerecl From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

I think LH would be negligent if they do not publicise 748i. Clearly 748i suits their need very well and LH is happy about it.

Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
With that kind of fan-fare from one of the world's most respected airlines...why aren't they selling

There was/is lots of fan-fare about A380 from SQ, EK, QF etc, and I think we can all agree that one can't exactly say that A380 sold like hot cakes.

Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
All I am aware of is the 25 orders from LH plus another 50 options, I think 16 for Korean and a few Asian carriers thinking about it.

20 firm+20 options for LH, 5 for KE, 5 for CA. 2 for Arik Air, 9 Private.

Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
I have read here all the "why's" it's the wrong plane and an old design...but not to LH

For LH, it is clearly the right plane. However, just because it works for LH does not guarantee general acceptance. Unfortunately for 747-8i, most airlines that can make use of, as well as afford it have picked other types. One cannot really think of but a handful of airlines that may place sizable orders. With the prospect of 77X on the horizon, the long 748i go without new orders the less likely it will receive them.

[Edited 2012-11-16 18:03:28]

User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
So rather than bash it more (I have read enough of that) why is it so right?

To get people like you to buy a ticket on it?



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User currently offlineCM From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
Today I watched the 747-8 dedicated site on Lufthansa.com and by the way they talk about it, and all the footage and fly arounds and fly throughs, it would lead one to think it's the best choice for a jumbo bar-none!

With the exception of cases where there is some real problem with an aircraft (or if we're talking about Al Bakar   ), operators are generally going to speak in glowing terms about any aircraft they own and operate. The main reason is an airline is a business and they naturally are inclined to promote their own product.

There is a second less obvious why an operator will generally heap praise on their own product, and it may be particularly relevant for LH and the 747-8i. LH has invested a great deal of capital into these new and very expensive assets. If the FMV (market value) of a 747-8i goes down, this will hurt LH's balance sheet. For an aircraft like the 748i (high purchase price and limited market size), this is a particular risk for LH. Since financiers are timid about investing in the 748i, this has the effect of depressing not only the sale price of the aircraft when Boeing tries to sell it, but it also depresses the market value of aircraft on order and currently held in inventory by LH. No business will stand by and watch their investment harmed when they could help reinforce it. Setting up a website to make the 747-8i look great costs LH very little and may actually have some influence on how the public, airlines and financiers view the product. It's just smart business.

In any case, it should not surprise us when we see an airline promoting their product. I truly try to not be too cynical about things, but I'd be hesitant to put any more stock in LH praising the 748i than I would put in any other kind of marketing about a product.


User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

In an effort to derail the imminent A v B flame war, I'm going to ask about configurations because I think someone brought it up earlier in the thread. It's not something I understand very well so bear with me. LH's 747-8i configuration seems to pretty much be "A380 with smaller economy cabin" based on number of seats. Which makes sense I guess if premium demand holds steadier than economy demand on the routes you're using the two types on. But if an airline were hypothetically operating the 747-8i in isolation, would you want to still set it up that way?

User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1555 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2395 times:

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 13):
In an effort to derail the imminent A v B flame war, I'm going to ask about configurations because I think someone brought it up earlier in the thread. It's not something I understand very well so bear with me. LH's 747-8i configuration seems to pretty much be "A380 with smaller economy cabin" based on number of seats. Which makes sense I guess if premium demand holds steadier than economy demand on the routes you're using the two types on. But if an airline were hypothetically operating the 747-8i in isolation, would you want to still set it up that way?

It depends on the airline. Airline A may be structured such that a premium-heavy 748i may well work for them; Airline B may just not need the full capacity of a 380 and the 748 is just right with a more balanced layout. Also, LH supposedly has a different 748 config coming for a few frames that I believe has less J space. If true, that would be interesting to see as well.


User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 15):

It depends on the airline. Airline A may be structured such that a premium-heavy 748i may well work for them; Airline B may just not need the full capacity of a 380 and the 748 is just right with a more balanced layout. Also, LH supposedly has a different 748 config coming for a few frames that I believe has less J space. If true, that would be interesting to see as well.

I guess what I'm getting at, slowly and in a confusing manner with many rewrites, is whether some frames are better suited to high-premium duty than others or if it just comes down to what works for the route and/or airline. I guess ULH pretty much demands a fair amount of premium because you really need to make the most money out of every seat given how much fuel you're bringing along but I can't think of any less specific examples.


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2350 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

This moment is huge for LH's PR, MarCom, and Branding divisions.

The 748I EIS is LH's chance to capitalize on a great opportunity to portray LH as innovative, competitive, cutting edge, etc. And to LH's credit, they are. Assuming the 748I pax product is superb; it will be a unique offer compared to their TATL competitors. This is something the even most biased Airbus supporters must admit.

Whatever you think of the 748, it's still significant. Bottom line, at the highest level it's only between that and the A380. There aren't a whole lot of new VLA inaugurations... That alone speaks volumes...

Quoting CM (Reply 10):
With the exception of cases where there is some real problem with an aircraft (or if we're talking about Al Bakar   ), operators are generally going to speak in glowing terms about any aircraft they own and operate. The main reason is an airline is a business and they naturally are inclined to promote their own product.

Of course. But the LH 748I service entry will go far beyond the standard.

On another level, look at DL promote their second-hand MD-90 and 717 acquisitions. DL even commemorated the MD-88's 25th year of service on the company website:

http://blog.delta.com/2012/04/30/25-years-of-maddogs/

Well done.

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 7):
the longer the 748i goes without new orders the less likely it will receive them.



Not as long as there are PIPs in the works. That keeps the door open for smaller add-ons and top-offs, if nothing else.

Quoting CM (Reply 10):
LH has invested a great deal of capital into these new and very expensive assets. If the FMV (market value) of a 747-8i goes down, this will hurt LH's balance sheet. For an aircraft like the 748i (high purchase price and limited market size), this is a particular risk for LH. Since financiers are timid about investing in the 748i, this has the effect of depressing not only the sale price of the aircraft when Boeing tries to sell it, but it also depresses the market value of aircraft on order and currently held in inventory by LH.

Yes and no. Yes, if the 748I flops, that will not help LH.

No, because LH can still get maximum benefit by operating the life out of the frames. LH may eventually be in a position where they'll commit long-term loyalty early. It will be in the airline's best interest to operate the type in sustainable numbers for the next 25-30 years. Getting your return on investment. This should be expected as it makes the most business sense.

A successful strategy employed by US legacies for years. Not a popular practice among some elite Asian or European airlines. But then again, COGS and SG&A were never strong points for SQ...  
Quoting Newark727 (Reply 13):

In an effort to derail the imminent A v B flame war,

I think you're jumping the gun here... There is no A vs B flame war. Not in this thread... not yet.



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User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2350 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 15):
I guess ULH pretty much demands a fair amount of premium because you really need to make the most money out of every seat given how much fuel you're bringing along but I can't think of any less specific examples.

Remember, the 748I is not exclusive to ULH. Rather, it will need to find success in routes of 4,000-6,000 NM. Lots of TATL/TPAC, 8.5-12.5 hour flights.

The majority of the routes LH will operate the 748I on will not be classified as ULH.



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User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 17):

Remember, the 748I is not exclusive to ULH. Rather, it will need to find success in routes of 4,000-6,000 NM. Lots of TATL/TPAC, 8.5-12.5 hour flights.

The majority of the routes LH will operate the 748I on will not be classified as ULH.

That's just a for-instance, I wasn't really referring to the 747-8i specifically. Sorry I wasn't more clear.


User currently offlineCerecl From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 16):
Not as long as there are PIPs in the works. That keeps the door open for smaller add-ons and top-offs, if nothing else.

I was thinking about orders from new operators. Sure existing operators may place add-on orders, but the program can really do with new 10+ plane orders.


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2350 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 19):
I was thinking about orders from new operators.

I was too...I think with PIP mods in development, there's still a chance for a net-new operator. Like I said, add-on orders if nothing else.



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User currently offlinejustloveplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

Quoting JHCRJ700 (Reply 6):
I just read a great article where the author flew on a Lufty A380 over to Germany and flew back on a 748 and compared the two. He liked the 748 better. Had nothing but great things to say about the passenger experience on the new plane. Hearing that Lufthansa likes them so much is awesome. Here's hoping for more orders.

Do you have a link?


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1875 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Well, I'm glad Lufthansa loves it. They're paying good amount of cash for it, so they better do.

I, personally, am glad it isn't selling. The sooner it dies, the better.

Here's to the 777-9X, the final nail in the jumbo jet's coffin. _/



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User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

I think there is a real chance that the 748i will get up and run, about a month ago I think there was some thread on here asking weather airlines like TG and MH are going to have trouble fitting their 380s on some of their routes I wounder how many 380 operators will have the same thoughts to, so this might be the chance for a 748i, I hope to see more and more of them, nothing better than seeing the 747 in any variant.

User currently offlineka From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 660 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2394 times:

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 9):
LH's 747-8i configuration seems to pretty much be "A380 with smaller economy cabin" based on number of seats.

...and soon reducing the number of C-class seats aboard the B748 in favour of more Y...

Ka.



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User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10008 posts, RR: 96
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2399 times:
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Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
Today I watched the 747-8 dedicated site on Lufthansa.com and by the way they talk about it, and all the footage and fly arounds and fly throughs, it would lead one to think it's the best choice for a jumbo bar-none!

To be fair, we've seen exactly the same when the A380 has entered service with a number of airlines including LH.

Their A380 newsletter doesn't exactly talk down the A380.

No matter. For me its great to see any 4-engined VLA being appreciated.   
Whilst they have to survive on thier economics, for me they bring to flying a majesty, elegance and romance that no twin aisle twin engine is ever going to achieve.
But that's just me  
Quoting CM (Reply 8):
In any case, it should not surprise us when we see an airline promoting their product

Agree

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 18):
I, personally, am glad it isn't selling. The sooner it dies, the better.

It will be a sad day

Rgds


User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 19):

I think there is a real chance that the 748i will get up and run, about a month ago I think there was some thread on here asking weather airlines like TG and MH are going to have trouble fitting their 380s on some of their routes I wounder how many 380 operators will have the same thoughts to, so this might be the chance for a 748i, I hope to see more and more of them, nothing better than seeing the 747 in any variant.

As Tim Clark of Emirates has said.. the 748's problem isn't the A380, it's the 77W. If the 77W is too small, you can always fly another rotation or just leave the lower yielding passengers and cargo behind.

It is sad that it had to come to this.. the gorgeous 744 being replaced by something as uninspiring and boring as the 777. But economics dictate that even the 748 will not reverse this trend. The only two groups of airlines I can realistically see in the market for 748i's are airlines that a.) don't operate 77Ws or b.) receive 748s as compensation from Boeing.

South African could be a future customer. Iberia. ANA. United. El Al, TAM and Turkish. Delta and hadn't they stated their disinterest, possibly KLM.
Unless SA needs a quad, they will probably go for A350s. Same for IB. NH could well happen. UA too, but I find A380s more likely. LY could use A380s but they seem to love Boeing. JJ and TK will probably go A380. Infrastructure permitting, of course. DL will probably go for 77W but I sincerely hope to be proven wrong.



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2606 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2400 times:
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Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
Today I watched the 747-8 dedicated site on Lufthansa.com and by the way they talk about it, and all the footage and fly arounds and fly throughs, it would lead one to think it's the best choice for a jumbo bar-none!

Because it is  

But I agree with the people that say that this is nothing more than the airline advertising its product. SQ did the same with the A380, as it was the launch customer. Likewise, ANA is doing the same with the 787 to a lesser extent (I don't think it has a 787 mini-site, but seeing them paint "787" prominently on the forward fuselage, and reading the trip reports of its inaugural flight seem to point towards the fact that the airline are extremely proud of their new plane. And so they should.

Quoting something (Reply 22):
something as uninspiring and boring as the 777.

Wow. Really?  



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User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2406 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 18):
I, personally, am glad it isn't selling. The sooner it dies, the better.

Here's to the 777-9X, the final nail in the jumbo jet's coffin. _/

I get the message that if 748-i is successful there will be less incentive for Boeing to come up with a replacement. Any other types you would like to see failing in the market so that their replacements are brought forward?

Quoting CM (Reply 8):
With the exception of cases where there is some real problem with an aircraft (or if we're talking about Al Bakar ), operators are generally going to speak in glowing terms about any aircraft they own and operate. The main reason is an airline is a business and they naturally are inclined to promote their own product.

  


25 Post contains images airbazar : There's that. And then there are all those airports that LH operates to that are not A380 ready and in some cases won't be any time soon (DEL, BLR, B
26 trex8 : Unless CI are downgauging a la UA to A359s which they have on order but have stated are A343/longer route A333 replacements (or eventually A35Js) the
27 something : Yes, really. The 777 is a fantastic aircraft for airlines to have. But that's where my admiration for it ends. It is very noisy and rattly inside and
28 Rara : LH is trying sooo hard to market the 747-8 as something special, and they're failing. For passengers, it's just another jumbo jet. The A380, meanwhile
29 skipness1E : Am I the only one who notices that rather a lot of people are pleased that such a multi million pound order was based on how pretty it looks? Is this
30 Post contains images CXB77L : You missed my point. You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm just flabbergasted that another thread about the 747 has turned into a 777 bashing fest
31 Alnicocunife : Economics is what should drive aircraft purchase. If you (insert airline here) decide your aircraft type on any other factor than economics you will b
32 danielkandi : The fact is, it's probably the most recognisable design of a major aircraft that even tourists can name. A jumbo. Even my mum who knows squat about av
33 BlueSky1976 : When your airline is flying a dozen or two 777s, it makes no sense whatsoever to order a single 747.
34 Post contains images JAAlbert : From a passenger perspective, the cabin looks gorgeous with it's new sky interior and new windows and all. It's also interesting that LH's 748 economy
35 BoeingGuy : In my opinion and an experienced person in the industry, the 777 is the best airplane ever built, period. Until the 787 proves itself as being better
36 LHCVG : Ah, in that case yes, some frames are better suited to premium-heavy routes. Both the 747 and 380 are great in this respect because of the upper deck
37 flyingclrs727 : How did Boeing fit them in? Did they make the walls of the 747-8I thinner?
38 strfyr51 : we DON'T need to Bash the A380 to promote the 747-8i, The fact that the 747 series has been the Greatest in the skies for more than 40 years is enough
39 Post contains images bmacleod : I would love to see the 748i in those colors too, however.... NZ has indicated more than a few times that the 77W (777-300ER) is really as big as the
40 Daysleeper : Considering your username and previous posts I assume that you have excluded all none-Boeing made aircraft on account of them not being made by Boein
41 trex8 : Narrower aisles and arm rests?
42 UALWN : I love consistency.
43 Post contains images Newark727 : Not saying that it will happen, but since when has that ever stopped them?
44 Post contains images trex8 : Nah, more likely they will pick up more A380s but with EA engines this time!
45 VC10er : First I want to thank everyone who prevented this thread from becoming an A vs B fight, I wrote my original post hoping to avoid that. I am not inject
46 Post contains images ZKSUJ : All noted and chances may be slim but airlines change their mind. Branson and his 4 engines for long haul, thats kinda out the window now. There was
47 Post contains links something : Generic statements are usually true. Just as I thought I knew what the best airplane all around in the history of mankind was, you are telling me the
48 art : What's generic about singling out the 777? I have no idea what is the best airplane/aeroplane ever built but I do tend to think that DC3, Viscount, 7
49 Post contains links imiakhtar : Business traveler gives a LH A380 seat width of 18 inches: http://seatplans.businesstraveller.c...fthansa/seatplans/A380-800/classes I've found that
50 flyguy89 : I think the OP brings up a valid point. I would agree that the A380 has the "awe" or shock value right now being the first completely new VLA in decad
51 SEA : I think LH isn't necessarily an example of the 748i being amazing (though I certainly like the aircraft) but rather a great example of how the A380 an
52 something : It is just big. If Boeing, Embraer or ChingChong built a three story, 200 meter long, 9 engined aircraft then that would be the talk of the town. Peo
53 Post contains images KPDX : And this is true. The reason the A380 is so recognizable is because it is a massive aircraft that passengers use. That's it. That's not "hurt patriot
54 Post contains images astuteman : Put me in that category. And proud of it! Except in their A380 literature they say it (the A380) IS their flagship... Proud to be in this category to
55 CXB77L : As far as I'm aware, I don't believe they did widen the cabin. It would seem from the pictures that LH are using the same seats in economy on the A38
56 Post contains images astuteman : As an engineer I certainly agree. However, as technology advances, there can be a tendency for "humanity" to retreat. Efficiency shouldn't be the onl
57 airfrnt : There is very limited market for VLA. That doesn't really change if the digits include 3,8 or zero as well as 7, 4 and 7.
58 ltbewr : Here are some thoughts: The 747-8i is pretty much the same overall size as past 747's so you have the ability to operate in a number of airports the A
59 something : Maybe because admiring an achievement is a task of the rational mind. It's about understanding something. Admiring beauty is a thing of passion. It's
60 trex8 : Isn't the 747-8s wimgspan increased just enough to put it into the same airport handling category as the A380 -code F?
61 na : Wrong. First, the 747-8 is faster than the 777. Second, the VLAs beat it in economics on trunk routes. The 777 is the fashion at the moment. That so
62 airbazar : Nope, no even close. Althought the A388's wingspan is 10m longer than the 748i's, they are both in the same exact group VI/Code F category. However I
63 Post contains images USAF336TFS : Actually they say the 748i is their "newest flagship". By implication, both aircraft are considered their crowning achievements. I'm right there with
64 Post contains images CXB77L : He didn't mention anything about the 777 being faster than the 747 specifically. Not while it's still being produced and are highly sought after, and
65 Post contains links Rara : Well that's pure speculation. There are zero indications that LH may for whatever reason be happier with the 748 than with the A380. Remember that th
66 Stitch : They are both Code F, however the 747-8's 68m wingspan encroaches 3 meters into that Category whereas the A380-800's 80m wingspan encroaches 15 meter
67 Post contains images VC10er : I am ALWAYS surprised to read someone post poisonous words about a certain aircraft. I get we are all passionate about airplanes than most normal peop
68 na : No one speaks of hate, and I dont think that product preference or the opposite is immature as such. Immature is only if thats underlined with lies.
69 delta2ual : I think a lot of our personal preference comes down to what we are used to. I had only been an F/A on Boeing and MD products so when I did the SABENA
70 Speedbird2155 : Actually the 747-8 does affect the terminal infrastructure in that it can't use the same gates as the 744/777 but unless it is a code F gate that can
71 Viscount724 : It's not the width but the privacy and exclusivity. In my experience there is nothing comparable to the nose cabin of a 747.
72 Stitch : Is that a hard rule that can never be granted an exception or is it more a guideline? I ask because at IST, for example, one can see 777s and 747s in
73 Post contains images CXB77L : Where else but airliners.net would you see people argue so passionately about a tube with wings, be they metal or CFRP Please show me where in that p
74 BoeingGuy : No I did not. I wasn't considering the 747-8 as the 777's competition. I was more referring to some other 4-engine airplanes. And yes, the 747-8 is s
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