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Return Of Leased VS A330s  
User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4763 posts, RR: 14
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2009 times:
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Seems G-VGEM is back , when are VLUV and VINE returning to VS?

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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

G-VINE is already back with VS:


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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2013 times:
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G-VINE already back and is service with beach fleet at Gatwick/Manchester


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Only G-VLUV left to be returned/delivered of the ten ordered 333s

Right now operating HKG-TPE as CAL904 it is due back in the next few weeks .

Current allocation

G-VGBR HEATHROW
G-VGEM MANCHESTER PAINT SHOP
G-VINE BEACH FLEET (LGW/MAN)
G-VKSS BEACH FLEET (LGW/MAN)
G-VRAY HEATHROW
G-VSXY BEACH FLEET (LGW/MAN)
G-VNYC HEATHROW
G-VUFO ZURICH FITTING OUT PRE- ENTRY INTO SERVICE
G-VWAG HEATHROW


User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4763 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2015 times:
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With the CI planes are VS moving the PE seats to the front from the middle cabin? WTH did CI put them in the middle anyway??

User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2019 times:
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Three Class Heathrow seating Rows 1-9 Upper class (Front) Rows 18- 25 Premium Economy Rows 40- 65 Economy
Two Class Beach fleet Row 18- 26 (Front Cabin ) Premium Economy Remaining Economy.


User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5193 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2016 times:

All 330's will be in the same 3 class config by the end of next year. I believe Vine will be first in March/April.

User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4763 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2013 times:
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Were they always supposed to be 3 class but the delays in the seats forced them to have some 2 class birds for a while or did the market change in MCO etc requiring upper class.

User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

Didn't Ryan International have one of VS 330's at one point. Does it still have it?

User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4763 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2013 times:
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Quoting LV (Reply 7):
Didn't Ryan International have one of VS 330's at one point. Does it still have it?



that was GVINE which is apparently back with VS already


User currently offlinesevenheavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

Quoting trex8 (Reply 6):

They were always going to be three class, but to avoid delivery delays 2 were fitted with a 2 class cabin and put into service on leisure routes, primarily Orlando. This actually proved useful as it allowed the leisure B744s to be refurbished in quick succession.

Starting in march the three leisure configured A330s will be reconfigured to a 3 class config, as was always the intention. The aircraft will then be rotated on a combination of LHR and higher premium demand leisure routes from LGW.

Quoting LV (Reply 7):

Yes. That was G-VINE. it's already in service with VS



So long 701, it was nice knowing you.
User currently offlineAuchmithie From UK - England, joined Sep 2010, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

Quoting trex8 (Reply 3):
G-VGEM MANCHESTER PAINT SHOP
thevssource.com reports this positioning MAN-ZRH yesterday (16/11/)


User currently offlinejetset7e7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2014 times:

Quoting Auchmithie (Reply 10):
thevssource.com reports this positioning MAN-ZRH yesterday (16/11/)

Thats correct it came out of Air Livery and was replaced by G-VGOE - A346 as thats getting new revised livery.

Mark



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User currently offlinesevenheavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

Quoting jetset7e7 (Reply 11):

Do you mean G-VOGE? It's getting painted all white. It's being returned to its lessor and will be ferried to LDE.



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2968 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2014 times:

Quoting trex8 (Reply 3):
With the CI planes are VS moving the PE seats to the front from the middle cabin? WTH did CI put them in the middle anyway??

Yes. The new UCS product was delayed, and it's far cheaper/easier to simply remove one cabin of Y seats to retrofit the new J seats than to remove a cabin of W and a cabin of Y and fit both J and W in their new cabins.


User currently offlinejetset7e7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 12):

Do you mean G-VOGE? It's getting painted all white. It's being returned to its lessor and will be ferried to LDE.

Apologises yes bad typo G-VOGE, it has recently undergone maintanence prior to return to lessor.. then for disposal.

Mark



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User currently offlinesevenheavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

Quoting jetset7e7 (Reply 14):
Apologises yes bad typo G-VOGE, it has recently undergone maintanence prior to return to lessor.. then for disposal.

Disposal? Are you sure? It is being returned to the leasing company, and AFAIK being stored at LDE pending possibly finding a new home.

Whilst they may ultimately end up being scrapped I don't believe that this is the current plan, and efforts will first concentrate on leasing them to another carrier.



So long 701, it was nice knowing you.
User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2012 times:
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Disposal doesn't necessarily mean scrapping !

User currently offlinesevenheavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2010 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 16):
Disposal doesn't necessarily mean scrapping !

No, fair point. Maybe its just me, but considering all previous references were to the aircraft being returned to the lessor, I read the "then for disposal" point as a further action after its return to the leasing company - as if they were intending to dispose of the aircraft/airframe (which isnt the same as saying VS were disposing of its services)

Anyway, the intention is very much to find a new home for these aircraft. Undoubtedly they will be tricky to shift but equally the lease rates will be low and they have been well looked after.

At some point they will cross a line whereby they will make more money as scrap. A sad fate for such a nice (and relatively rare) aircraft, but ultimately its purely a financial transaction designed to get the most return for the owners.

As an aside, it would be interesting to know if these aircraft were ever profitable for the leasing company. VS got an EXTREMELY good deal initially. Now they face either being leased at even lower rates, sold cheaply, or scrapped. It doesnt seem to me that they ever had a period where they were generating a healthy return to the owners (Airbus leasing?) although that in turn depends on how much they paid for them to start with.....



So long 701, it was nice knowing you.
User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4763 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2010 times:
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Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 17):
As an aside, it would be interesting to know if these aircraft were ever profitable for the leasing company. VS got an EXTREMELY good deal initially. Now they face either being leased at even lower rates, sold cheaply, or scrapped. It doesnt seem to me that they ever had a period where they were generating a healthy return to the owners (Airbus leasing?) although that in turn depends on how much they paid for them to start with.....

If Airbus own them they can dangle them as an interim lift incentive till some carrier gets their A359/A35Js! A can eat the low lease rates if it gets them an order for A350s! Might even turn some carriers looking to replace 744s off the 747-8, which is available sooner, and wait for a A35J.


User currently offlinejetset7e7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2007 times:

Disposal from Virgin fleet, back to lessor


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