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UA Ending Challenging Year; 2013 Better?  
User currently offlinedelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 620 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 971 times:

Found what I thought was an interesting article about 2012 for UA and what comes next:

-UA is focused on paying down debt. They have warned that they have a "significant amount of debt maturities and capital lease obligations totalling USD4 billion due through 2016". This is why I predict we won't be seeing dramatic growth at UA.

-They expect their labor costs to increase in 2013 due to new contracts

-And "United’s troubles faced during 2012 show the carrier has much to prove in 2013 in reaching the promised potential of the merger with Continental. While its network strength should eventually bring lost passengers back into the fold, United needs to deliver solid revenue and profitability in order to declare the merger a success. Three years after the 2008 merger between Delta and Northwest, Delta achieved a profit of more than USD800 million in 2011. United faces many challenges in delivering similar results in 2013 three years after its merger, given the uncertainty surrounding its labour costs, and its ability to return to industry-leading revenue generation levels."

United did show a 2% revenue growth for 2012 so far, but it lags the 8% at rivals AA and DL. However, their unit revenue was 2nd to DL, so they are showing progress.
Will 2013 be a repeat of 2012 or will we finally see UA operate at their full potential? Are employees losing patience? The few I have talked to from Willis seem to think so.

Full article can be found here:
http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...hallenges-start-to-stabilise-88775


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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4106 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 975 times:

IMHO, it will be entirely up to how quickly UA can get joint CBAs done. Right now, the pilot contract isn't getting great reception, and the company missed its self-imposed deadline to finish talks with the IAM. Frankly, if they can't get this done by late 1Q I predict another sluggish year, because the full benefits of the merger can't be realized.

User currently offlinestrfyr51 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 1230 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 975 times:
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UAL needs to settle the Pilot's contract ASAP!! You can't get synergies from a combined company if your house is still divided, and it SA) and Eagle Air/Arnaflug (Iceland)">IS!!
We at S-SA)">UA work side by side with our counterparts at S-SA)">CO and whatever we do is still "us and them".
It's not a homogenized house and NOBODY will know WHEN it is, or What it is, until the Division is Ended.
Senior management hasn't done JACK in my opinion to bring the house together either! .
We haven't taken the Best Practices of each carrier and combined them to one cohesive unit and only a FOOL could NOT see that we have some REAL ADVANTAGES. Needless to say I don't have a lot good to say at this point about Senior management because I feel like they're wasting Time and Money Jockeying for their OWN positions rather than go for the "Gusto" of what made EACH carrier a leader in it's own right.
There seems to be little or No accountability and all I see is an emphasis on building needless management Infrastructure. My opinion is DAMN that !! Get to WORK!! !! Get this act together and build up from the Ground up!
We've gone Backwards and sideways with one policy after another. But NOT Forwards !! The S-co management threw out one S-ua policy after another to do it "their way" only to Come BACK and re-visit that SAME Policy when they found it ACTUALLY made SENSE. Why didn't they Just review the Policies side by side and see what the BEST policy was and junk the OTHER??
We've got Managing Directors up the "Wazoo" who couldn't manage an OUTHOUSE. Years ago UAL cut 500 Directors in ONE DAY and NOBODY saw any difference in the Operation. This time we could cut 800 today and we'd probably get something DONE!!
We've managed to build a WHOLE bunch of Empires for some and Not ONE IOTA of efficiency. We've put on a LOT of management Bulk but no Muscle. Pretty soon we're going to have so much bureaucracy we won't be ABLE to do anything! Everything we've done up to now has been common Sense. It does NOT take a Masters Degree in business administration to do what's right before your NOSE!! Any Fool could see what they've done up to now??
Needed to BE done!! With what We've got? I expect to see $1B Gross Profit EVERY YEAR !!!


User currently offlinemaxamuus From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 975 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 1):
the company missed its self-imposed deadline to finish talks with the IAM.

This could cause even more labor issues. This was the scene yesterday at SFO.



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5831 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 979 times:

I have high hopes, as a Premier passenger.
Flying in the last week (ignoring the computer glitch, which happens to EVERY airlines periodically, even the sacred cow Alaska Air Group), things seemed overall better than they were this past spring/summer. And not just the 787, either... crews better, cabins better, IRROPS handling almost approached sanity, etc.
And today, I've received a Premier Upgrade about 24 hours early, indicating that (at least on my flight) the much-heralded upgrade shenanigans / tens-of-dollars scheme from CO is not in play. That's a huge step.


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2900 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 975 times:
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From the POV of a UA FF: This year I flew 160,000 BIS miles, all international J class miles on United. Even with the big computer meltdown, this year was better for me than last. My experience has proven good ups and some real downs, but a net positive. The planes are very clean on both fleets, the cabins look nice, more bed seats in F and J, great IFE, better food and other details. The different crews and front line employees got more accustomed to the changes... so less CO people openly complaining and bashing of United and less United people complaining about being taken over by a rinky dink airline. Their is a palpable difference for the better. However, given the contracts not being settled, I am very unhappy about the lack of cross fleeting (like no F out of EWR except 2 flights) and the visable divide between ac and FA's is disappointing.

I'm pretty much over the loss of the "Tulip" and now I want ONE United and consistansy and then I would expect better service once they are....united!

I still love being able to choose one airline to take a 747 to HK and a 757 to Glasgow and a 767-400 to Sao Paulo from New York and countless more non-stops. It's very impressive and convienient.

Now I just have to wait for those contracts to get solved and fly on much newer and more modern aircraft as the 787's trickle in with a giant fleet of 737MAX's and A350's. That will be a long wait though.



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5831 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 975 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 5):
Now I just have to wait for those contracts to get solved and fly on much newer and more modern aircraft as the 787's trickle in with a giant fleet of 737MAX's and A350's.

While I suspect I'll end up enjoying flights on all three of those aircraft, give me a 744 any day over any of them!

Quoting VC10er (Reply 5):
The planes are very clean on both fleets,

Agreed, this HAS improved. I'm still waiting for the UA side to get refreshed- I was very encouraged to see the photos (in the Fleet Upgrade thread) of the refurb UA 752... looks worlds better, and getting rid of the galley carpet is a smart move that other carriers made in the 90's!!


User currently offlineairindia787 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 973 times:

If history might offer some clues (hopefully), 2010 was a somewhat rough year for DL, and it was also the first year that NW no longer operated. However, 2011 was better by leaps and bounds, and 2012 even more so. I hope that the same might happen ad UA, but no one can tell what will happen as of yet.

User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2900 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 973 times:
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Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):

Agreed on the old 747's, the refurb United did in F is beautiful. For my personal taste it is luxurious enough, simple, clean and modern. Also the seat is so comfortable. It's all about being in the nose cone!

One thing I think would be nice for United to do to show that unity into ONE airline will be to shout pride in their brand (like Delta has started doing) and the better airlines like Lufthansa or Singapore etc...and if I were Mr Smisek I'd put a beautiful chrome UNITED on the bulkheads in each class to tie the fleet together- even if interiors are a bit different between sCO and sCO.



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5597 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 975 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 5):
The planes are very clean on both fleets, the cabins look nice, more bed seats in F and J, great IFE, better food and other details.

The product improvements at UA over the past 12 months has been really great. If they can move forward from here together and put the last year behind them then I have no doubt that they can compete very effectively against Delta going forward.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 5):
I want ONE United

Amen from the Continental side



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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 973 times:

Rampers hope for a contract soon... that's what we want also one United..its the only way to save money and move forward

User currently offlineFlyHossD From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 890 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 973 times:

Let's hope that 2013 is a better year for UA than 2012 - can it really be any worse!?


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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2640 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 973 times:

Glad to hear some of the comments on this thread about things getting better and fleet coming along. From monitoring the UA fleet changes, I see a quickening in the pace of updates and upgrades. It's kind of like watching a long download of numerous files on your computer - the progress line moves slowly at first, but as some files are downloaded, the line moves faster.

On the sUA side

Airbus fleets are almost all painted - Just 7 more 319s and 3 more 320s to go.

752 are almost all painted - four left, but doubt they will be painted as they are on the list for fleet removal.

752 Interior Refresh ongoing - not sure of the extent of this program yet, but 3 to 8 units are done - there was a list going around showing 17 752s going into fleet retirement in 2012/2013 - replaced by new 739ERs

752s will get new ps configuration soon.

772 Paint has restarted - six left - should be completed in two months unless a second paint line is added at VCV when a 752 exits, which could mean completion by the end of the year.

772 IPTE moving forward at a consistent pace - five 772ERs left (three 772As rumored to become Hawaiian aircraft)

Airbus WiFi underway.

Airbus bins well underway - not sure which aircraft are completed

763ER 2 Class conversion well underway - 8 completed, three in HKG and 3 left. These aircraft are crucial to new and/or improved international flying. Hopefully 3 Class aircraft will get paint as 14 of 21 are still in UA Blue

On the sCO side

Winston Salem (INT) now has 2 mod lines for DTV installation on the 738 and 739 fleet.

764ER Lie Flats almost done - one in mod and one to go into mod. Rumored 4 Hawaiian configured units will get same Lie Flat mod and be replaced on Hawaiian flying with sUA 772A aircraft.

788s starting to be delivered (United aircraft, but ordered by sCO)

762s will be gone within a few months - five still in service

753s getting logical updates - ETOPS units all have E+ and overhead TVs for Hawaiian flying - non-ETOPS units getting E+ & DTV

735s going away quickly - 11 left and being replaced by new delivery 739ERs

E+ almost complete on sCO fleet.
Completed: 752, 772, 73G
Partial: 764ER (11 of 16), 739 (48 of 61), 738 (91 of 122) , 753 (15 of 21)


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2900 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 973 times:
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It is refreshing to read a long string of posts saying positive things about United Airlines. I have had many, many awesome flights on United over the years. And while more difficult to find nowadays there was always Ch 9! I love that odd hum of of feedback in between talking. I could listen for hours.

My last and loudest plea if Jeff Smisek is checked in here tonight (after settling the contracts) is to PLEASE update the United Clubs and the few United Global First lounges to international quality with a comfortable design. The newer ORD clubs are good, but IAD and EWR, horrible! The first step is to please turn down the lights in the big exCO club in TC at EWR. I come out looking like the TAN lady just waiting an hour for my flight.



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