planesofthepast From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 14 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2553 times:
The story about the American Eagle Saab 340 storage facility in Abilene is fascinating. It has seemed an unlikely place for an airliner boneyard, in West Texas.
I've wanted to see it for myself, and had the opportunity recently. I've posted a few photos I shot, at ...
JBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2279 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2559 times:
Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 1): Interesting article. I still think there is a future for the Saab 340s. Especially the B and B+ models.
How much support do the aircraft still get from Saab Aerospace? That's a big factor. At least they aren't orphaned aircraft like the Dornier 328 and 328JET, those aircraft became really expensive to maintain after Fairchild-Dornier went under.
The Saab is a workhorse and it's a shame nobody wants to operate them (at least in the U.S.). I think the only way we will truly see these aircraft make a comeback is if it involves some sort of modernization program that improves performance and economics.
I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
woodreau From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 890 posts, RR: 7 Reply 4, posted (6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2558 times:
You should check out the EMB-120 Brasilia boneyard in Hot Springs Ark. There's about 40 of the parked out there ASA colors. Who ever owns them seems to keep these planes running and maintained and doing periodic engine run-ups. But they're parked out there on the airport ramps at HOT.
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floridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1985 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2563 times:
At XJ, I did more than 500 flights on the Saab 340 and loved every last minute of it. It was very sad to see it go, but nice to see Silver pick up a few of them. Passengers loved the aircraft, the crews, airport staff, etc. were always very close. Too bad to see the end of an era to some extent.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2560 times:
The Saab 2000 is not approved to operate under an airline in the US by the FAA. I know a few that have looked into adding it, but due to a limited number of airframes and the cost with getting it approved they have all passed. It's an awesome aircraft and very fast.
[Edited 2012-11-18 14:10:59]
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planesofthepast From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 14 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2412 times:
Just saw this article ... might bring a new life and purpose to the Saab 340 and other similar aircraft.
miaskies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2220 times:
The rumor is wil be seeing some of these ex-AE Saab 340B's down at SJU come next year as Seaborne takes over Eagle flying. What is yet to be seen is if Seaborne will fly as an "Eagle" carrier using AE livery or their own.
freakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 534 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2081 times:
B6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2767 posts, RR: 7 Reply 16, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2028 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9): The Saab 2000 is not approved to operate under an airline in the US by the FAA. I know a few that have looked into adding it, but due to a limited number of airframes and the cost with getting it approved they have all passed. It's an awesome aircraft and very fast.
Weren't y'all working on a bunch of 340's the last time I was down there? I can't remember the entire story, but if my memory serves me correctly, they were from NW Airlink and going all the way to Australia when you were done with them...REX I think was who was taking them. How many of those birds did you guys work on?
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Thomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2266 posts, RR: 31 Reply 17, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1897 times:
Quoting miaskies (Reply 12): The rumor is wil be seeing some of these ex-AE Saab 340B's down at SJU come next year as Seaborne takes over Eagle flying. What is yet to be seen is if Seaborne will fly as an "Eagle" carrier using AE livery or their own.
They will get three ex-Calm Air Saab 340Bs:
340B-166: N327SA
340B-336: N336SA
340B-351: Still with Calm Air as C-FSPB
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asqx From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 589 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1409 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 15): They don't fly under part 121 so there is no need to go through all of the FAA hoops to get certified
Even though not operated by any 121 certificated air carriers, the Saab 2000 is fully certified to do so. In fact, unless someone wants to get an experimental aircraft waiver, any plane that carries passengers be it under Part 91 (owner/operator), Part 135 (commuter/on demand), or Part 121 (domestic, flag, and supplemental) has to be certified.
The Saab 2000's FAA Type Certificate Data Sheet lists it as being certified under Part 25 which is AIRWORTHINESS STANDARDS: TRANSPORT CATEGORY AIRPLANES.
FlyHossD From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 545 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1366 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9): The Saab 2000 is not approved to operate under an airline in the US by the FAA. I know a few that have looked into adding it, but due to a limited number of airframes and the cost with getting it approved they have all passed. It's an awesome aircraft and very fast.
Quoting blueflyer (Reply 10): Are there underlying issues, or is jut a matter of not being approved because no one's asked?
Quoting asqx (Reply 20): Even though not operated by any 121 certificated air carriers, the Saab 2000 is fully certified to do so. In fact, unless someone wants to get an experimental aircraft waiver, any plane that carries passengers be it under Part 91 (owner/operator), Part 135 (commuter/on demand), or Part 121 (domestic, flag, and supplemental) has to be certified.
The Saab 2000's FAA Type Certificate Data Sheet lists it as being certified under Part 25 which is AIRWORTHINESS STANDARDS: TRANSPORT CATEGORY AIRPLANES.
As I recall, Air Marshall Islands did operate the Saab 2000 on a U.S. 121 Certificate. At least think they had a U.S. Certificate...
I sometimes kick myself for passing on the chance to ride on one of their Saab 2000 flights.
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mhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 377 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (5 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1224 times:
Private Saab 2000s swing by MHK from time to time. It is an absolutely stunning airplane, inside it feels like a Thoroughbred. A plane surely a few years before it's time. Imagine if legacies had bought fleets of Saabs 2000's to replace the 340s and short-range ERJs and CRJs? Maybe the day will come. Bombardier and ATR seem to have a tough time cracking the US legacy market with the turbos.
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