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Delta Buys 49 MD-90s From China Southern  
User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 11372 times:

It seems that, in an effort to conserve funds, DL has purchased 49 MD-90s from China Southern as opposed to buying more new aircraft, supposedly saving over 1 billion dollars.

http://airnation.net/2012/11/17/delta-buys-49-used-md-90s/

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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7309 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 11414 times:
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49 mad dawg 90s? Where will they deploy them primarily? Good job DL!   


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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 11405 times:

Is this on top of the ones already aquired from other sources? Is this another batch than we've heard of before?


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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6005 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 11430 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Thread starter):
DL has purchased 49 MD-90s from China Southern as opposed to buying more new aircraft, supposedly saving over 1 billion dollars.

China Southern doesn't have 49 MD-90's....they bought quite a few from various sources over the last few years (including China Southern) but the article is wrong in saying that they bought 49 from China Southern

Actually did some checking China Southern has no MD-90's...DL bought the few (10-15) they had sometime in the last 18 months.

[Edited 2012-11-17 21:31:46]


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User currently offlinerojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2466 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 11436 times:

The followin airlines have MD90's (stored and active):

-Saudi Arabian: 29
-Eva Airways: 5
-Uni Air: 8
-Lion Air: 5
-JAL: 5

Is DL taking all MD90's from these airlines?

It will interesting to see DL taking over all MD90's and B717's in the market and become the sole operator of those 2 types...


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4520 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 11417 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 3):
China Southern doesn't have 49 MD-90's...

Uh oh. So where are they coming from?


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5596 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 11420 times:

This is just a content farm's sloppy regurgitation of the WSJ article linked in another current thread. It means nothing.

There is no new purchase of MD-90s. DL has (or will shortly take delivery of) 65 MD-90s: 16 of their own, and 49 from various other sources. The 49 used MD-90s came from the following:

- SAS (and various lessees of SAS)
- China Southern
- China Eastern
- JAL

The only other MD-90s that might make sense for DL to acquire are the 11 in Taiwan.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6005 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 11421 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 5):
Uh oh. So where are they coming from?

They are not coming from anywhere....DL has been buying MD-90's from various operators over the past few years. These are not additional aircraft these are aircraft that DL already either has on property and in service or has stored.



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7309 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 11422 times:
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Quoting N62NA (Reply 5):
Uh oh. So where are they coming from?

Boeing/MD is reopening the mad dawg line.   



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User currently offlineplatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 11414 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 8):
Boeing/MD is reopening the mad dawg line.

Mad Dog MAX      



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7309 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 11416 times:
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Quoting platinumfoota (Reply 9):
Mad Dog MAX      

Love it! MD90 NEO. Will give Airbus a run for their money.

This is confirmed? DL will purchase 49, MD90s? Seems shady.



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4520 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 11406 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 6):
The 49 used MD-90s came from the following:

- SAS (and various lessees of SAS)
- China Southern
- China Eastern

So this isn't a "new" move - I had read on here in the past that DL was buying up used MD90s. This is not a "new announcement" of 49 more MD90s in addition to the ones that have been announced, correct?

Anyway - it's good to see the descendent of the DC-9 will be in U.S. skies for years to come!


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 11401 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 11):
So this isn't a "new" move - I had read on here in the past that DL was buying up used MD90s. This is not a "new announcement" of 49 more MD90s in addition to the ones that have been announced, correct?

I think this is more a compilation of all the other announcements of how many DL was acquiring, nothing more.



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User currently offlinetommy525 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 11402 times:

How come only the 11 in Taiwan makes sense? EVA and its subsidiary Uni Air are said to be planning to offload its Md90. It is getting A320 and the first is already in service or soon to be. They may have been in talks with Delta already.

User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 11403 times:

Quoting tommy525 (Reply 13):
How come only the 11 in Taiwan makes sense? EVA and its subsidiary Uni Air are said to be planning to offload its Md90. It is getting A320 and the first is already in service or soon to be. They may have been in talks with Delta already.

In it's latest filings to the SEC, DL shows 41 owned and 8 leased and NO more. I don't know if this is in addition to the 16 that were already in the fleet or included in those numbers.



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6499 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 11401 times:

Quoting rojo (Reply 4):

Yeah. I think HA is happy with their 717s

Quoting fxramper (Reply 8):

I thought the term Mad Dog only referred to MD-80.

Quoting mayor (Reply 14):

Were the remaining 14 cancelled & not built or were they built & sold off before delivery?



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 11400 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Thread starter):
in an effort to conserve funds

Olllld news, but it's pretty true, and DL does a good job at it.

Quoting platinumfoota (Reply 9):
Mad Dog MAX

   That would be amazing!



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 11394 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 15):
Quoting mayor (Reply 14):
Were the remaining 14 cancelled & not built or were they built & sold off before delivery?

My mistake.....the filing also shows purchase commitments for 7 of the a/c.



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User currently offlineMEA330 From Lebanon, joined Aug 2002, 286 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 11396 times:

Understand DL was never interested in the Saudia MD90's due to the different cockpit layout; but now that DL has committed to lease 88 717's the ex Saudia MD90's look more appealing as they have a common cockpit with the 717 raising possibility of having a 717/MD90 (Saudia) fleet.

User currently offlinecargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1275 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 11398 times:

Quoting tommy525 (Reply 13):
How come only the 11 in Taiwan makes sense?

The SV MD-90s don't share a common flight deck with the other MD-90s, and might also have some other spec differences. These aircraft might be a good choice for a small startup airline that wanted to focus on this one type - particularly since they are cheap and still modern, but not a good choice to join a large fleet.


User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 870 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 11395 times:

AFAIK SV did manage to dispose of the MD90s in the end. Don't know where they ended up, though.

User currently offlineEASTERN747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 11399 times:

How old are these birds? and much duct tape is going to be needed to keep them together? Approx. rotations? Maybe DL can find a few DC-3's to buy and bring back into service: Not trans-con of course.

User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2257 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 11398 times:

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 20):
AFAIK SV did manage to dispose of the MD90s in the end. Don't know where they ended up, though.

They sold most (not all of them) to AerSale back in April. Now whether they are going to scrap them or attempt to lease them out is another question.


User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1884 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 11395 times:

China Southern did only had 13 MD-90s in its fleet (former China Northern aircrafts). All of them were already in the fleet of Delta Air Lines (N953DN to N965DN). So the information of Airnation is absolutely incorrect!

In total there were 117 MD-90s build, 10 were already gone (crashed, damaged or scrapped). Of the 107 left, 50 MD-90s were in use with Delta, 10 more were registered with Delta but are not yet in service. Five more were still registered in Japan (with JAL) and I'm sure that Delta also will get the 11 Uni Air / Eva Air MD-90s. So, we have 31 MD-90s left, 28 are Saudia planes (and will not fly with Delta, because of other cockpit configuration). The three former Lion Airlines could also go to Delta, but I'm not sure, if they are in good condition (stored in GYR and CGK).

50 Delta (active)
10 Delta (inactive)
4 Japan Air Lines (active --> for Delta)
1 Japan Air Lines (inactive --> for Delta)
11 Uni Air / Eva Air (active --> for Delta?)
1 Saudia (active)
27 Saudia (inactive, some/all to be scrapped)
3 Lion Airlines (inactive)
10 gone (W/O or scrapped)
---------------------------
107 Total


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 11394 times:

Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 21):
How old are these birds? and much duct tape is going to be needed to keep them together? Approx. rotations?



Are you referring to the a/c on hand with DL or the SV MD-90s...



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25 krisyyz : Will the avionics receive an upgrade before DL puts them into service? Is the MD90 SAT NAV/GNSS capable? KrisYYZ
26 FlyASAGuy2005 : Whatever differences there are, the a/c will be brought up to current Delta spec.
27 Post contains links and images Joshu : I recently shot one of the ex China Southern turned DL MD-90s at BWI: View Large View MediumPhoto © Joshua McGoun
28 mayor : The source of the article claims that they got this info from a contact at DL and that source insists that they bought 49 from China Southern. I think
29 seabosdca : Anyone who chooses to believe a "source" after being shown how that "source's" information can be conclusively disproved with publicly accessible inf
30 Post contains images B757forever : Once the "source" completed his interview where he elaborated in great detail all the intimate secrets of Delta's fleet planning strategy, he returne
31 Flighty : Combine the modern design with DL's maintenance and upgrading skills, & the M90 is a totally modern aircraft. They could easily go another 20+ ye
32 AA767400 : Speaking of the unique MD-90 - whatever happened to the former QQ/AA ships? I know there weren't that many in the fleet.
33 Polot : They all went to Lionair. One has since been scrapped and the other 4 are stored.
34 Post contains links dtw9 : The other option could be conversion to Freighter. AEI has reconsidered its previous position and now says they will convert the MD-90 to MD-90SF htt
35 United_fan : I bet DL wishes they could turn back the clock . I remember reading that Air Aruba's MD90's were scrapped at a young age.
36 akelley728 : Indeed, that was a sad story. After Air Aruba gave up the MD90s they went over to a new start-up called Pro Air. Unfortunately that airline never got
37 mayor : Without getting into all the details, how much parts commonality is there between DC-9, MD-88, MD-90 and 717?
38 FWAERJ : Actually, Pro Air did fly. They were DET-based and used 737-400s, and the MD-90s were meant to replace the 737s. The MD-90s never flew with Pro Air f
39 Post contains links United_fan : Looks like another is inbound from ANC. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N952DN
40 SSTeve : Interesting. For others who may have been confused, AEI is not Aersale, so it's up to Aersale... other than Delta & Aersale, is there any other M
41 dtw9 : Uni-Air/EVA and Boeing. SAS still owns the eight MD-90's they have on lease to Delta[Edited 2012-12-01 10:57:58]
42 PHX787 : Why is it going to MZJ from Russia?
43 PMUA787 : The reasons for this routing thru Petropavlosk, Russia PKC is the aircraft is probably not equipped with HF radios and life rafts. Very common routin
44 PHX787 : Is this one of the ex-JL planes, I'm assuming?
45 falstaff : I think they were the last scheduled carrier using DET. I remember reading about a turbo prop operator flying to CLE, but I don't know if that got of
46 mcg : I'm curious as to how much work goes into these aircraft once DL takes ownership. Obviously there is an all new interior, but do they do substantial w
47 MD-90 : When Delta retires the last 738 from the fleet the crew will fly home in an MD-90.
48 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Interesting finding out the history of the MD-90. It implies that any that do not find their way to DL will be parted within 7 or so years. I love it!
49 Post contains images dtw9 : Here you go
50 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : I have heard that Delta is buy some of the Saudi MD-90s for parts and has basically bought all of Saudi's MD-90 spare parts.
51 Dalmd88 : They get full Heavy Maintenance Check, which is the same one that gets done every six years on the existing DL MD88/90 fleet. On an existing fleet ai
52 Post contains links and images TrijetsRMissed : At now favorable economies of scale, the MD-90 is proving itself as far greater moneymaker over the A320, within DL's operations. I would be shocked i
53 Post contains images Deltal1011man : ugh. I don't get why all the MD90 hate on here. They have this generation engines and have ~the same fuel burn/CASM as the A320/737NG. (and even have
54 B757forever : Very true. The three aircraft from Hello that became DL ships 9217, 9218 and 9219 had less than 14K hours and 9K cycles (approximate numbers) when th
55 dtw9 : Delta has recently stated that they are looking at acquiring between 12 and 15 more frames. Interesting to note that Boeing is no longer offering the
56 Dalmd88 : So is this going to happen. Last I official word I heard was, it is on hold. That was about a month ago.
57 lightsaber : What are the cycle numbers? FL had a reputation for very high (order of 14/day) on the 717. I see there is life, but not DC-9 life as they are also g
58 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : In particular, compared to the A320, the MD-90s are more profitable. Minus the SK frames, there no monthly leases, (the -90s are paid-in full by the
59 woodsboy : I think we can all agree that the 717 and MD90s will last a long time since there is no totally new narrowbody even on the drawing board at this point
60 lightsaber : Lower than I expected. Ok, you have a point there. My bad, I missed that. Then you are correct these frames have a long life ahead. I would expect DL
61 seabosdca : They were of their time. They were contemporaneous with the A320 and showed up not long before the 737NG. Except they're not. They lack the range. Th
62 TrijetsRMissed : Too late edit, but I was remiss in that the 11 aircraft owned by B7 are guaranteed for DL. Widgets, please confirm when this is acknowledged on Delta
63 mayor : The latest quarterly report shows 41 owned, 7 leased and committments for 7 more.
64 TrijetsRMissed : Which is largely due to the size of the fuel tanks; a comparison with -30ER is more fair. The MD-90 was to be offered in 3 or 4 additional versions -
65 TrijetsRMissed : Oops, small correction on me. Ships 9234, 9235, and 9236 were the ex-Hello jets leased from SK. Nonetheless, rather low cycles.
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