spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1 Posted (6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 7812 times:
It seems that, in an effort to conserve funds, DL has purchased 49 MD-90s from China Southern as opposed to buying more new aircraft, supposedly saving over 1 billion dollars.
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5337 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 7865 times:
Quoting spiritair97 (Thread starter): DL has purchased 49 MD-90s from China Southern as opposed to buying more new aircraft, supposedly saving over 1 billion dollars.
China Southern doesn't have 49 MD-90's....they bought quite a few from various sources over the last few years (including China Southern) but the article is wrong in saying that they bought 49 from China Southern
Actually did some checking China Southern has no MD-90's...DL bought the few (10-15) they had sometime in the last 18 months.
seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 7857 times:
This is just a content farm's sloppy regurgitation of the WSJ article linked in another current thread. It means nothing.
There is no new purchase of MD-90s. DL has (or will shortly take delivery of) 65 MD-90s: 16 of their own, and 49 from various other sources. The 49 used MD-90s came from the following:
- SAS (and various lessees of SAS)
- China Southern
- China Eastern
- JAL
The only other MD-90s that might make sense for DL to acquire are the 11 in Taiwan.
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United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5337 posts, RR: 8 Reply 7, posted (6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 7856 times:
Quoting N62NA (Reply 5): Uh oh. So where are they coming from?
They are not coming from anywhere....DL has been buying MD-90's from various operators over the past few years. These are not additional aircraft these are aircraft that DL already either has on property and in service or has stored.
N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3681 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 7843 times:
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 6): The 49 used MD-90s came from the following:
- SAS (and various lessees of SAS)
- China Southern
- China Eastern
So this isn't a "new" move - I had read on here in the past that DL was buying up used MD90s. This is not a "new announcement" of 49 more MD90s in addition to the ones that have been announced, correct?
Anyway - it's good to see the descendent of the DC-9 will be in U.S. skies for years to come!
mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9197 posts, RR: 14 Reply 12, posted (6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 7838 times:
Quoting N62NA (Reply 11): So this isn't a "new" move - I had read on here in the past that DL was buying up used MD90s. This is not a "new announcement" of 49 more MD90s in addition to the ones that have been announced, correct?
I think this is more a compilation of all the other announcements of how many DL was acquiring, nothing more.
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tommy525 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 30 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 7840 times:
How come only the 11 in Taiwan makes sense? EVA and its subsidiary Uni Air are said to be planning to offload its Md90. It is getting A320 and the first is already in service or soon to be. They may have been in talks with Delta already.
mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9197 posts, RR: 14 Reply 14, posted (6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 7840 times:
Quoting tommy525 (Reply 13): How come only the 11 in Taiwan makes sense? EVA and its subsidiary Uni Air are said to be planning to offload its Md90. It is getting A320 and the first is already in service or soon to be. They may have been in talks with Delta already.
In it's latest filings to the SEC, DL shows 41 owned and 8 leased and NO more. I don't know if this is in addition to the 16 that were already in the fleet or included in those numbers.
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MEA330 From Lebanon, joined Aug 2002, 268 posts, RR: 8 Reply 18, posted (6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7834 times:
Understand DL was never interested in the Saudia MD90's due to the different cockpit layout; but now that DL has committed to lease 88 717's the ex Saudia MD90's look more appealing as they have a common cockpit with the 717 raising possibility of having a 717/MD90 (Saudia) fleet.
cargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1164 posts, RR: 9 Reply 19, posted (6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7836 times:
Quoting tommy525 (Reply 13): How come only the 11 in Taiwan makes sense?
The SV MD-90s don't share a common flight deck with the other MD-90s, and might also have some other spec differences. These aircraft might be a good choice for a small startup airline that wanted to focus on this one type - particularly since they are cheap and still modern, but not a good choice to join a large fleet.
EASTERN747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 384 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7834 times:
How old are these birds? and much duct tape is going to be needed to keep them together? Approx. rotations? Maybe DL can find a few DC-3's to buy and bring back into service: Not trans-con of course.
viasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1813 posts, RR: 7 Reply 23, posted (6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7834 times:
China Southern did only had 13 MD-90s in its fleet (former China Northern aircrafts). All of them were already in the fleet of Delta Air Lines (N953DN to N965DN). So the information of Airnation is absolutely incorrect!
In total there were 117 MD-90s build, 10 were already gone (crashed, damaged or scrapped). Of the 107 left, 50 MD-90s were in use with Delta, 10 more were registered with Delta but are not yet in service. Five more were still registered in Japan (with JAL) and I'm sure that Delta also will get the 11 Uni Air / Eva Air MD-90s. So, we have 31 MD-90s left, 28 are Saudia planes (and will not fly with Delta, because of other cockpit configuration). The three former Lion Airlines could also go to Delta, but I'm not sure, if they are in good condition (stored in GYR and CGK).
50 Delta (active)
10 Delta (inactive)
4 Japan Air Lines (active --> for Delta)
1 Japan Air Lines (inactive --> for Delta)
11 Uni Air / Eva Air (active --> for Delta?)
1 Saudia (active)
27 Saudia (inactive, some/all to be scrapped)
3 Lion Airlines (inactive)
10 gone (W/O or scrapped)
---------------------------
107 Total
28 mayor: The source of the article claims that they got this info from a contact at DL and that source insists that they bought 49 from China Southern. I think
29 seabosdca: Anyone who chooses to believe a "source" after being shown how that "source's" information can be conclusively disproved with publicly accessible inf
30 B757forever: Once the "source" completed his interview where he elaborated in great detail all the intimate secrets of Delta's fleet planning strategy, he returne
31 Flighty: Combine the modern design with DL's maintenance and upgrading skills, & the M90 is a totally modern aircraft. They could easily go another 20+ ye
32 AA767400: Speaking of the unique MD-90 - whatever happened to the former QQ/AA ships? I know there weren't that many in the fleet.
33 Polot: They all went to Lionair. One has since been scrapped and the other 4 are stored.
34 dtw9: The other option could be conversion to Freighter. AEI has reconsidered its previous position and now says they will convert the MD-90 to MD-90SF htt
35 United_fan: I bet DL wishes they could turn back the clock . I remember reading that Air Aruba's MD90's were scrapped at a young age.
36 akelley728: Indeed, that was a sad story. After Air Aruba gave up the MD90s they went over to a new start-up called Pro Air. Unfortunately that airline never got
37 mayor: Without getting into all the details, how much parts commonality is there between DC-9, MD-88, MD-90 and 717?
38 FWAERJ: Actually, Pro Air did fly. They were DET-based and used 737-400s, and the MD-90s were meant to replace the 737s. The MD-90s never flew with Pro Air f
39 United_fan: Looks like another is inbound from ANC. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N952DN
40 SSTeve: Interesting. For others who may have been confused, AEI is not Aersale, so it's up to Aersale... other than Delta & Aersale, is there any other M
41 dtw9: Uni-Air/EVA and Boeing. SAS still owns the eight MD-90's they have on lease to Delta[Edited 2012-12-01 10:57:58]
43 PMUA787: The reasons for this routing thru Petropavlosk, Russia PKC is the aircraft is probably not equipped with HF radios and life rafts. Very common routin
44 PHX787: Is this one of the ex-JL planes, I'm assuming?
45 falstaff: I think they were the last scheduled carrier using DET. I remember reading about a turbo prop operator flying to CLE, but I don't know if that got of
46 mcg: I'm curious as to how much work goes into these aircraft once DL takes ownership. Obviously there is an all new interior, but do they do substantial w
47 MD-90: When Delta retires the last 738 from the fleet the crew will fly home in an MD-90.
48 lightsaber: Interesting finding out the history of the MD-90. It implies that any that do not find their way to DL will be parted within 7 or so years. I love it!
50 NWAROOSTER: I have heard that Delta is buy some of the Saudi MD-90s for parts and has basically bought all of Saudi's MD-90 spare parts.
51 Dalmd88: They get full Heavy Maintenance Check, which is the same one that gets done every six years on the existing DL MD88/90 fleet. On an existing fleet ai
52 TrijetsRMissed: At now favorable economies of scale, the MD-90 is proving itself as far greater moneymaker over the A320, within DL's operations. I would be shocked i
53 Deltal1011man: ugh. I don't get why all the MD90 hate on here. They have this generation engines and have ~the same fuel burn/CASM as the A320/737NG. (and even have
54 B757forever: Very true. The three aircraft from Hello that became DL ships 9217, 9218 and 9219 had less than 14K hours and 9K cycles (approximate numbers) when th
55 dtw9: Delta has recently stated that they are looking at acquiring between 12 and 15 more frames. Interesting to note that Boeing is no longer offering the
56 Dalmd88: So is this going to happen. Last I official word I heard was, it is on hold. That was about a month ago.
57 lightsaber: What are the cycle numbers? FL had a reputation for very high (order of 14/day) on the 717. I see there is life, but not DC-9 life as they are also g
58 TrijetsRMissed: In particular, compared to the A320, the MD-90s are more profitable. Minus the SK frames, there no monthly leases, (the -90s are paid-in full by the
59 woodsboy: I think we can all agree that the 717 and MD90s will last a long time since there is no totally new narrowbody even on the drawing board at this point
60 lightsaber: Lower than I expected. Ok, you have a point there. My bad, I missed that. Then you are correct these frames have a long life ahead. I would expect DL
61 seabosdca: They were of their time. They were contemporaneous with the A320 and showed up not long before the 737NG. Except they're not. They lack the range. Th
62 TrijetsRMissed: Too late edit, but I was remiss in that the 11 aircraft owned by B7 are guaranteed for DL. Widgets, please confirm when this is acknowledged on Delta
63 mayor: The latest quarterly report shows 41 owned, 7 leased and committments for 7 more.
64 TrijetsRMissed: Which is largely due to the size of the fuel tanks; a comparison with -30ER is more fair. The MD-90 was to be offered in 3 or 4 additional versions -
65 TrijetsRMissed: Oops, small correction on me. Ships 9234, 9235, and 9236 were the ex-Hello jets leased from SK. Nonetheless, rather low cycles.
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