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New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 3  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 61301 times:
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This is a continuation thread of part 2 which can be found here: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 2

Please feel free to continue your discussion in this thread.


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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3823 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 61518 times:

The old threads became so long and chaotic. Could somebody give us a quick overview of what the current status on this subject is, instead of just continuing the discussion?

Soren   



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User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 61373 times:

Sure, Nothing has happened yet.

User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6596 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 61383 times:

I think AA should wait to rebrand to when they come out of bankruptcy. That would show that they are starting a new chapter in their history. Also with the possible/likely merger with USairways, why re-brand now when you may have to do something very soon any way ?

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User currently offlinePDX88 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 61379 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 3):
Also with the possible/likely merger with USairways, why re-brand now when you may have to do something very soon any way ?

Plan A is to emerge from bankruptcy independent, plan B is to merge with US Airways, not vice versa. Either way, if the slim chance (and growing slimmer every day) they did merge with US, they're going to need a new brand anyways. Like hell they keep the US livery and slap AA on the side.


User currently onlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5555 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 61374 times:

If there is a consolidation of AA and US/HP, it will amount to an acquisition, more than a merger, and AA will be the acquiring entity. The airline will be called, "American Airlines," and branded accordingly, with its headquarters in Fort Worth, Texas.

AA's emergence from bankruptcy is (within the constructs of the gavial movement of court proceedings) imminent. One anticipates the rebranding to occur at that point, or (perhaps) coincident with the rollout of AA's 787.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12634 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 61366 times:
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Quoting sccutler (Reply 5):
If there is a consolidation of AA and US/HP, it will amount to an acquisition, more than a merger, and AA will be the acquiring entity. The airline will be called, "American Airlines," and branded accordingly, with its headquarters in Fort Worth, Texas.

Is this fact, or your opinion?

Quoting sccutler (Reply 5):
or (perhaps) coincident with the rollout of AA's 787

Do you mean 777?



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User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1099 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 61377 times:

AA will not be acquiring anything . US will be doing the Acquiring keeping the AA name and brand . Also the chances of a US/AA merger are not growing slimmer every day like someone else said . This merger is closer to reality than you think . And that my friend is no opinion . It's a fact !
Back to the color scheme . It should be introduced once the merger is announced . Plain and simple .


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19943 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 61475 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 6):
Is this fact, or your opinion?

It's his opinion, of course, but I agree with him that this is the most likely scenario.

Whether US or AA do the acquiring is ultimately unimportant. Back when HP acquired US, HP quickly grabbed US's name. Kept the "cactus" callsign, though.

However the merger works out, assuming it happens, the new carrier will be called "American Airlines." We can assume, given that AA has already started their rebranding process and obviously have a new brand image in mind, that any such merger would not result in an entirely new brand, but would adopt the new AA brand much as the DL/NW merger adopted DL's very recent new brand (at the time).

Of course it's possible that the new carrier will be called "America West Airlines" and return to the old HP 1980's colors (which would be pretty amusing to see on a 77W). There is an enormous list of possibilities, but the most likely scenario is outlined above.  


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 61372 times:

I was checking in for my commute today and noticed that the kiosks have changed. The overall structure has remained mostly the same but the colors are different. I wonder if this is a sample of a wider rebranding for the future?

User currently offlineAAIL86 From Finland, joined Feb 2011, 417 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 61457 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 5):

AA's emergence from bankruptcy is (within the constructs of the gavial movement of court proceedings) imminent. One anticipates the rebranding to occur at that point, or (perhaps) coincident with the rollout of AA's 787.
Quoting etops1 (Reply 7):
Back to the color scheme . It should be introduced once the merger is announced . Plain and simple .

US Airways merger or not, US the acquiring carrier or not, the rebranding is going to happen with the rollout of this 77W in January. Either that or maybe AA will go the DL route of multiple - rebrandings  



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User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1441 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 61364 times:

Quoting PDX88 (Reply 4):
(and growing slimmer every day)

It really isn't growing slimmer, we have just been completely in the dark because of the non disclosure agreement.



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2558 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 61373 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
would adopt the new AA brand much as the DL/NW merger adopted DL's very recent new brand (at the time).

Excellent comparison - I think you nailed it.


User currently offlineAA94 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 603 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 61478 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 1):
The old threads became so long and chaotic. Could somebody give us a quick overview of what the current status on this subject is, instead of just continuing the discussion?

What we know:

1. There is an AA-registered 77W, AA's first, painted with a greyish color scheme and a white tail (sort of in the Qantas style) parked at PAE. It is presumed that these colors are not primers due to the outlining of the exit doors (done once all top coats of paint have been applied).

2. A new kiosk design has been rolling out across the system at AA. The new design, conceived by AA's tech contractor Blockdot (the designers of their iPhone app). The new kiosk has done away with the horrendous all-caps block lettering that appears on nearly all of their current branding. You can view the new kiosk flow at http://www.behance.net/gallery/Ameri...an-Airlines-Airport-Kiosk/5935297.

Aside from that, everything else is speculation.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 6):
Is this fact, or your opinion?

Sort of both. While it's not a confirmed 100% fact, it's fairly accurate according to statements by both Tom Horton and Doug Parker. AA isn't going to simply be putting their name on US's airplanes, it will be a full and total rebranding for AA regardless of the merger with US.

With regards to the merger as a whole, I believe many members of the forum have been much too quick to speculate on the status of the US/AA merger. Regardless of anyone's personal politics regarding the merger, the fact is that a NDA being signed doesn't mean a merger. AA going to bankruptcy protection / restructuring doesn't mean a merger.



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 61367 times:

Quoting AA94 (Reply 13):
http://www.behance.net/gallery/American-Airlines-Airport-Kiosk/5935297.

Not working



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2259 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 61441 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 14):
Not working

He accidentally included the period in the url. Here is the correct link:
http://www.behance.net/gallery/American-Airlines-Airport-Kiosk/5935297


User currently offlineLDVAviation From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 1095 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 61409 times:

Quoting etops1 (Reply 7):
AA will not be acquiring anything . US will be doing the Acquiring keeping the AA name and brand .

When AA stakeholders would end up with 70%+ of the equity in the combined company, it is hardly an acquisition.


User currently offlineAA94 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 603 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 61468 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 15):
He accidentally included the period in the url. Here is the correct link:
http://www.behance.net/gallery/American-Airlines-Airport-Kiosk/5935297

Whoops, my bad everyone.  



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User currently offlineusafret From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 61362 times:

I noticed the self service kiosks last week, thought I was at another airline at first, even though I'm Ex Plat. I like change and anything to shake up AA is good, as long as they survive.

User currently offlinebaldwin471 From UK - England, joined Mar 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 61359 times:

Quoting AA94 (Reply 17):

I think AA should wait to rebrand to when they come out of bankruptcy. That would show that they are starting a new chapter in their history. Also with the possible/likely merger with USairways, why re-brand now when you may have to do something very soon any way ?

The777Man

They should make a WP8 app with that design. Looks very Metro.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3392 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 61349 times:

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 9):
I was checking in for my commute today and noticed that the kiosks have changed. The overall structure has remained mostly the same but the colors are different. I wonder if this is a sample of a wider rebranding for the future?

The new self-service machine software went live last Monday. As an agent, I love the new look, and I'm hoping the rest of the brand follows this aesthetic pleasantness.


User currently onlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5555 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 61350 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 6):

Quoting sccutler (Reply 5):
If there is a consolidation of AA and US/HP, it will amount to an acquisition, more than a merger, and AA will be the acquiring entity. The airline will be called, "American Airlines," and branded accordingly, with its headquarters in Fort Worth, Texas.

Is this fact, or your opinion?

Strictly opinion; my policy (it should be all of ours, I'd think) is to cite to reliable authority on any statement I make which is intended to be relied upon as fact, and to expect any statement I make which lacks such citation to be considered merely my opinion.

But, I believe time will prove-up the validity of my opinion. (grin)

Quoting etops1 (Reply 7):
AA will not be acquiring anything . US will be doing the Acquiring keeping the AA name and brand .

Common sense and math both argue against this result. But, you may be able to say, "See, I told you so!" one day. I mean, who'd have ever guessed that little Texas International Airlines would grow to be United?

Quoting etops1 (Reply 7):
Also the chances of a US/AA merger are not growing slimmer every day like someone else said . This merger is closer to reality than you think . And that my friend is no opinion . It's a fact !

Oh yeah!?! (chuckle)

I think it is a near certainty, as well, for reasons of common sense and competition.

But AA will do the acquiring!



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 61348 times:

Has the second one had any paint put on it yet?


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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6596 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 61345 times:

Quoting PDX88 (Reply 4):
Plan A is to emerge from bankruptcy independent, plan B is to merge with US Airways, not vice versa. Either way, if the slim chance (and growing slimmer every day) they did merge with US, they're going to need a new brand anyways. Like hell they keep the US livery and slap AA on the side.

Regardless of merger or not, it makes more sense to re-brand AFTER emerging from bankruptcy for the reasons that I stated in my post.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 22):
Has the second one had any paint put on it yet?

Second one has rolled out with a metallic fuselage......

The777Man



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User currently offlineAA94 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 603 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 61412 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 24):
Second one has rolled out with a metallic fuselage......

It has, however, the engines are painted in that white / grey combo that we saw on the first 773.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8189367049/in/photostream/



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25 scbriml : The rudder is painted as per the first one as well.
26 MD13 : The iphone app has also been updated and looks similar to the pictures of the self-service machines... No logos or branding in the app though...
27 Post contains images jmw99ttu : I just installed the iPad app update. It's completely different from the old version. It's much sleeker than the old version. Thankfully the sudoku ga
28 FL787 : If the app and kiosk are indicators, it definitely seems like the new brand will either have no red or very little of it. Guess they're letting DL hav
29 OB1504 : That's because it hasn't been painted yet. What you are seeing is the primer. The look of the new iPhone/iPad app matches the new SSM software. I thi
30 AAIL86 : Well the app does feature a new logo on the phone desktop ... a metallic blue field with either off-white or sliver AA + eagle. (sorry, haven't found
31 Antoniemey : Most of the rebranding will be afterwards... rolling out a new color scheme with a new fleet type gets them a jump on it, though. As you probably wel
32 AirAfreak : I agree. When I saw Part 3, it made me realize this post should not say confirmed until something solid is shown for our viewing. This is becoming ri
33 baw716 : It's premature I believe to speculate on a "rebranding" of AA. In order to rebrand something, you really have to have a product to rebrand. AA is not
34 allegiantflyer : So AA has confirmed that they are getting a new livery? yes?no?
35 Antoniemey : Well, the design hasn't been confirmed, but it's been confirmed that one is coming... According to various sources a new brand (and livery to go with
36 allegiantflyer : Is there a release date set??
37 JAAlbert : I see the kiosks as interim -- really there is no logo or any design. It's sorta like the Window's screen when you first boot up or something. Add my
38 FWAERJ : AA has a Windows Phone app, and has had one since shortly after Windows Phone 7 came out. IIRC, it currently has a bare-aluminum look a la AA's plane
39 Post contains links posti : Link to the iPhone app: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/american-airlines/id382698565?mt=8[Edited 2012-11-19 20:50:34]
40 Post contains images PHX787 : This is my best guess too. It looks too empty for it to be a representative of a new livery....maybe a transition livery... it does look awfully simi
41 Post contains images ZSOFN : I'd be inclined to agree, although the whiter area below the tail is a big hint as to what's to come. I've had a go based on what we might see - the
42 FWAERJ : Looks like AA's Android app got the update as well: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aa.android&feature=nav_result#?t=W251bGwsMSw
43 Post contains images PHX787 : That's a livery I can get behind
44 runway23 : Nice, what about a billboard style name with just "American" rather than "American Airlines" ?
45 Post contains images ZSOFN : That could work nicely... ...I had assumed based on the kiosk branding that they were sticking primarily with the "Airlines" bit too but you never kn
46 817Dreamliiner : Nice work! Not bad. Im really looking forward to see what they come up with.
47 aajfksjubklyn : Best rendition I have seen, although I presume there will be red somewhere...
48 FWAERJ : A bit of an update regarding the new look on AA's mobile apps: I checked the Windows Phone Marketplace, and the AA app for Windows Phone still has the
49 Post contains images Grude1087 : I would like to point out that the font in the title has changed, and now there is a space between "American" and "Airlines" in the last iPad update.
50 Post contains images American 767 : The one shown on reply 45 would be a great idea. I don't know how good it would look on an MD-80 but it doesn't really matter because those are on the
51 JAAlbert : It seems that Delta managed to redo its entire fleet in short order. How long did it take? Are there still DL planes in the old livery?
52 SXDFC : I think the NW merger helped speed things up with that aspect. If you look at UA prior to its merger with CO they still had plenty of planes flying a
53 Boeing777300 : That base colour really screams out for a touch of red and blue paint, or is this the new AA stealth colour sheme? A foggy day in LHR and you would ne
54 squad55 : Just saw a post on KPAE Blog Spot, with the AA 773 on a flight to Grant County Airport. Just wondering why is "Experimental" decaled on the side? Are
55 Deltal1011man : and you know this as a fact because......?
56 BOACCunard : Both this and the billboard version of the same are quite nice. And I've disliked nearly all the other renderings I've ever seen for a new AA livery.
57 ZSOFN : Thanks - I agree it would look better with some red in there; I just produced this based on what we've seen so far and one thing that's stood out is
58 LostSound : Looks nice! Reminds me of Silverjet. I think we're going to see a bit more though. People who have seen the actually livery (we don't know if this is
59 FWAERJ : I don't think any of the MD-80s will be getting the new livery. All the Mad Dogs will be replaced by A319s and 738s in four or so years, eliminating
60 American 767 : Your thinking reminds me of Air France and the Caravelle. Air France bar code livery was introduced in the late 70s (1977 or so) and none of the Cara
61 FWAERJ : DL also painted at least one MD-11 in the wavy gravy livery, and I think a few 727s as well, even though they were out the door shortly after they wer
62 Post contains links LostSound : From Facebook: AA has started a new subsite, www.aa.com/progress It says too keep checking in, so AA will most likely be updating that as they make an
63 FWAERJ : You may be right on the MD-80s, as there will probably be some in the AA fleet until 2019 or so. But all the 762ERs will be gone and replaced by A321
64 LDVAviation : ... the WSJ reported on the proposed equity split after the recent meeting between AMR management and the UCC.
65 Post contains images ZSOFN : Here we go...
66 iFlyLOTs : I think the bottom one looks better, but I hope we see at least some red in the actual finished product
67 Post contains images ZSOFN : Same. One option...
68 miaskies : how about removing the AA from the back tail and just having a larger eagle that is "supersized" (not sure how you call it...similiar to delta's enlar
69 Post contains images ZSOFN : Something like this perhaps?
70 by738 : Very good work. I like the one with the red eagle
71 miaskies : Awesome, very cool...love the red. IMO now that this is a total rebrand.
72 whappeh : Somewhere, someone working for American is kicking them selves for either not paying you hundreds of thousands of dollars to create that, OR for reali
73 N766UA : Me too, though I think it's a bit TOO negative-spacey. If you could fit more of the eagle on there it'd look better, and maybe flip him around and fa
74 IMissPiedmont : Airplanes are always labeled experimental before the final certification.
75 JAAlbert : I think the AA branding will include the word "Airlines" so I'd go with the top
76 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Wow!!!!! That bottom one with the red eagle really nails it!!! I'm very, very impressed! I have a sinking feeling their actual rebrand won't look near
77 AVENSAB727 : I think the rebranding will end up being a tweaked version of the current livery.
78 BOACCunard : Thanks. I really like the one the billboard titles, in particular. I also like the one with the blue eagle on the tail. Oddly enough, I'm not as fond
79 Post contains images ZSOFN : It probably is on a 77W, but I reckon this would probably work better on an A319 which is probably the key aim, much to the chagrin of many on a.net
80 timboflier215 : Loving these! Though I'm sure a few people have mentioned that the new livery will have a 'ribbon' style cheatline fading blue/white/red (or v.v.), s
81 EA CO AS : Ugh, please no billboard titles...
82 danfearn77 : Excellent work. I love the bottom one. If only their livery turned out like this. You, sir, should have been hired to complete this American rebrandi
83 Post contains links and images rikkus67 : ZSOFN... AMAZING ideas of the new paintscheme! OK, With all the talk and hints of Retro, Here is a mock-up (based on ZSOFN's work so far) that I would
84 Colombia : Hello new here, I don't understand how if AA is bankrupt they could acquire US, not trying to fight your point, I just really don't see how they coul
85 Post contains images ZSOFN : Thanks, all... Always a divisive one - I'm still on the fence. Here's my take on those rumours: I'm not sure firstly which of these I prefer, or - mor
86 runway23 : In the US when you are in chapter 11 bankruptcy, you are technically not bankrupt, just reorganizing. AA has a lot of cash on hand and could potentia
87 Post contains images danfearn77 : Amazing. I'd say number 3. Like the way those colour waves fade before the tail. Chance of emailing these to Horton?
88 dtw757 : Does anyone think that the entire first 777-300 is just a decoy and that when it is actually rolled out in full AA colors it will be something complet
89 iFlyLOTs : I like the one in the middle a lot, why are you so good at this? And why hasn't AA gotten in contact with you?
90 UA735WL : IMO would blow even AS out of the water w/ "American" billboard style as per earlier!
91 polot : While your designs are good, I think they would be better if the white on the fuselage was actually somehow integrated into the design (i.e. your des
92 ZSOFN : Got an address?! Well they've not had much time yet to be fair! I'm sure we'll see something from a brand agency that will be worth the wait. I compl
93 ZSOFN : Nice thinking - I'd be surprised if they go with something that retro. I'll have a play with those ideas though!
94 ThePinnacleKid : I admire and respect your designs... you've had some good ideas... I personally am not a band wagon guy though and don't think you or anyone can impr
95 B727FA : I like these overall...if the grey at the tail (the "bands") were red that would sharpen it up in my mind. I love the silver eagles on the engines. I
96 B727FA : I would love to see the red stripe version of 67 combined with a large blue eagle like the middle one of 85. I don't have a strong opinion either way
97 American 767 : I looks like they already decided the tail will be white. Based on all the proposed designs in the above replies, I think it is safe to say the tail w
98 Colombia : Thanks for the explanation.
99 Post contains images PHX787 : Waaait wasn't US going to acquire AA? Either way, If a merger was indeed finalized behind those closed doors, I wonder why AA is doing these transfor
100 boberito6589 : 2 319s (761 and 704) got the current livery repainted US Express side: ZW repainted the blue CRJs to current livery EN is finishing the Dash-8s all b
101 B727FA : Never ones to rush into anything...
102 Post contains images 817Dreamliiner : These Are really good! Wish I could design stuff like this. Well done! I think the first looks better than the third. I wish AA would paint the plane
103 ZSOFN : I think that once the excitement over a rebrand (I find rebrands fascinating) the current livery will be missed greatly. If AA hadn't ordered aircraf
104 Post contains images danfearn77 : Thorton@hotmail.com?! Seriously, even if it fell on deaf ears you should get in touch with the AA press department somehow. Some of your designs woul
105 Post contains links and images 797 : Well, is this the second baby coming out of the wound? View Large View MediumPhoto © Bernie Leighton
106 brilondon : Well I am a little late to come to this discussion but I have some observances you can shoot down. looking at the pictures that have been shown here,
107 Post contains images garpd : How about this sort of idea? The middle one would give you the mix of red, white and blue that a lot of you are foaming at the mouth for. Just an idea
108 micstatic : I would much rather either see something different than the posts we are seeing here, or just turn the polished aluminum white and be done with it. I
109 TSS : I'd say combine the blue eagle from #1 with a red version of the logo from #3, make the titles red as well, and that's a livery I could live with.
110 LostSound : Since when is AC's livery grey?
111 micstatic : My bad. Was referring to the green livery that almost looks gray
112 garpd : If your colour blind it might. It looks cool spearmint green to me
113 LostSound : It is definitely one of those tricky liveries where the lighting swaps the colour on you. When freshly painted it is quite mint green, but once faded
114 HermansCVR580 : I'm hoping for something with a bit of retro in it like mentioned before. These new airline schemes are all starting to look blah to me. I hope AA com
115 SXDFC : Everyone here is posting pictures of the new AA colorscheme, well what about American Eagle? I assume if AA is going to re-branding their mainline pla
116 American 767 : Why is everyone obsessed with red? Every time someone proposes a scheme with grey and blue only, right away I read: " Oh and what about the red? We ne
117 AA94 : I think you may be overestimating the current status of an AA/US acquisition. Granted, I'm a cynic, but I don't think anything has been finalized or
118 YXwatcherMKE : If I had a voice in the re-branding of AA it would have to be a very close to the Middle a/c design in #85, but with the red and blue stripe on the bo
119 TSS : I wouldn't consider myself "obsessed" with the color red, but a livery composed only of grey/silver, blue, and white is a rather drab livery. Some re
120 WingedMigrator : Here's my suggestion: in your concept from reply 85, make the ribbons straighten out as they reach the tail, forming the same red/white/blue line and
121 PDX88 : It looks the same as N717AN to me, as does the silver/grey paint behind 718's tail #.
122 timboflier215 : Amazing - thank you! I think I prefer the ones without the ribbons though! Think garpd may be on to something with the tail design.....
123 Post contains links TSS : I went back and checked the earlier photos of N717AN, and I must respectfully disagree. Compare these two photos... http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabi
124 rikkus67 : ZSOFN... look forward to it! Regardless of fading or not... When an AC plane is outside of Canada, you can instantly recognize it, even without lookin
125 rikkus67 : Looking on my monitor, the rudder appears to hava a couple of distinct shades of grey, with the very top a small band of white. With the rest of the
126 B727FA : The red "bands" at the base of the tail (forward edge) and the band aft of the tail. Please see 65 (the grey version) and 67 with the red that I was
127 Post contains links PDX88 : Compare them to this picture of N718AN then. http://paineairport.com/kpae5615.htm It just looks like the rudder in the pic in #105 is shadowed becaus
128 TSS : Right you are, sir. It appears that white will indeed be the main color on the tail, then.
129 Post contains links PHX787 : Hold on a second guys: http://paineairport.com/kpae5615.htm Look at the very front of the vertical stabilizer. You see the metallic color? Maybe the
130 kanban : yes, it's unpainted, unadorned, un-beatified, un remarkable just out of the factory wearing various intensities of protective films.
131 JBo : That metallic color at the very front of the vertical stabilizer is just the heated leading-edge area. It's almost always unpainted/bare metal.
132 blink182 : Or maybe AA and the Boeing painters are having fun at livery speculators' expense!
133 797 : I think a new livery has never caught so much attention as AA has managed to do with their 777!
134 ZSOFN : Spent a couple of hours over the weekend trying to come up with something that fits the bill and doesn't look a bit awkward but to no avail. I think
135 tonytifao : Just heard rumor of gray body and red stripe! Not sure about the tail
136 Post contains links and images blueshamu330s : The more I hear, grey fuselage, tail work extending down fuselage, flashes of red, the more I think someone in AA picked up a magazine containing an
137 Giancavia : The problem will be when its revealed to be an absolutely bland disgusting pile of nothing. Not because it's American Airlines but when you look arou
138 YYZBound : I did get some new info from one of the members of management that had seen the new scheme. So here goes. The blue that is being used in the updated k
139 Post contains images tonytifao : I like blue, so I think I will like it
140 lollomz : In my opinion, without the red color in the livery AA will loose something.....
141 Post contains images spacecadet : I'll start I'm just so sick of blue and white. First we have blue/grey/white interiors on almost every airline, now we're going to have blue/grey/whi
142 TSS : I couldn't possibly have put it better myself. We are in full agreement.
143 JBAirwaysFan : It would make sense for them to redo their paint scheme after they emerge from Chapter 11. Delta did this as well.
144 babybus : The thing I don't believe is that there isn't one AA employee on here. It's such a big airline and this site has so many posters that you'd expect one
145 YYZBound : I've been flying for them for 13 years
146 Post contains images aviatortj : Don't forget you also have that calming TSA blue too.
147 Post contains images teme82 : I think they have and as I said earlier they are laughing their butt's off when reading this thread. Since they are under NDA contract they cant even
148 spacecadet : I used to work for a major video game company that has had a string of #1 games on various systems... we were constantly monitoring public forums to
149 AJMIA : I really like these designs. It would be cool if the plane with the red eagle had AMERICAN in red. I think the planes would look sharp parked in a li
150 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : My niece was recently fired from a job at Wizards of the Coast for mentioning something about an upcoming release on-line. I don't know what she was
151 aajfksjubklyn : I suspect something with the AA logo and bubbles or circles like you see on the map on their new APP for Ipad. There is definately something hinting t
152 miaami : Are there any updates on a new delivery date for the new 777-300s yet? First flight is scheduled for Jan 31, 2013 and thats just a little over a month
153 Post contains links KarelXWB : The first customer flight of N717AN is scheduled for today. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/276746622849937408
154 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Picture of N717AN's first customer flight: http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8251653792/in/photostream (taken and uploaded by moonm) Still not in pai
155 teme82 : Man now that's a great picture. Still gives a lot of room for speculation for the new livery!
156 N737AA : We are here.....17 years for me. I've already given my input into this discussion but it has been discounted by those who know more. I used to be the
157 Post contains images Birdwatching : Could we please delete this thread or at least rename it? The title is totally confusing. For the 3rd time already, the thread title says "confirmed,
158 tugger : I hate to tell you but as excellent as they may be, American Airlines (or AMR) is the worldwide exclusive owner of all rights to designs and concepts
159 Post contains images lostsound : Yeesh, is that a Grinch emoticon you have place next to your name.
160 777STL : On the same token, low level front line employees who claim to be all knowing insiders when in reality they don't know jack are a dime dozen here as
161 Post contains links BlueSky1976 : http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8251653792/in/photostream/lightbox/ Having in mind the branding recently revealed on AA self-service kiosk, the lon
162 YYZBound : Guys! Let's all just calm down! People are getting incredibly angry and dramatic over this...we'll find out soon enough what AA is gonna do. Personall
163 AVENSAB727 : I think it could end up only being a tweak.
164 aacun : Well, I dont think its going to be only a tweak........... I just read Hortons letter to employees today and it is very clear..... It talks about, amo
165 PlanesNTrains : I agree with BlueSky1976. This airborne photo gives the impression that little remains to be added other than titles and logos. Even the gray appears
166 lostsound : Guys read some of these posts. People who have talked to some higher-ups have all said the same thing. What we see now is nowhere near the finished pr
167 liftsifter : I feel like paint technology is far enough along to be able to nearly mimic the mirror effect of the polished body. Guess not.
168 JAAlbert : Can someone post the Kiosk or iPad screen again? I didn't see any bubbles on the previous AA kiosk quotes - but then maybe I don't know what a bubble
169 ZSOFN : That's a misconception. They can only trademark the designs / logos they already have. They can't claim rights over something they haven't created.
170 Post contains links and images lostsound : Sorry miss remembered what the Kiosk looked like. What I meant is that the blue halo effect at the bottom is something that will probably be transfer
171 Stitch : It is, but like polished metal, it needs to be well-maintained. A brand-new SU or AM (in the older scheme) delivery looks mighty sharp with it's meta
172 Post contains links tugger : I very much doubt that anyone else could successfully trademark or copyright a design with a brand and logo that they have no rights too. Also if you
173 DeltaMD90 : Oh boy, hope you are wrong, it's looking pretty nasty so far. Hope there is some color to separate the white and gray, it still looks kind of awkward
174 777STL : No, it is. The Mercedes F1 team used a paint on its cars that looked much like polished metal several years ago. Although, I'd venture to guess it's
175 ZSOFN : Yes, but I think you've got the wrong end of the stick here. AA of course own rights to their name, logo, current livery and any new versions they ha
176 PlanesNTrains : Those kiosk shots are reminiscent of Deltas wavy gravy tails. It'll be interesting to see if it's incorporated. -Dave
177 skipness1E : Twelve million posts in and we're not much further forward than the first one? When is N717AN likely to be delievered? As things stand, it may be end
178 iFlyLOTs : They're waiting on seats so they can't deliver it yet. Everything needs to be installed for it to be delivered. It has nothing to do with the livery
179 skipness1E : OK cool, so when will the seats be ready then? Actually not having seats explains a lack of delivery but not a lack of paint.....
180 airliner371 : The fact that the new kiosks have no red tells me the person who said the new livery doesn't have red is correct. (sadly)
181 Post contains links ThePinnacleKid : Don't fret.. Red will most certainly be there and associated with American Airlines... call it a hunch... I'm basing it on their own publicly release
182 Post contains links ZSOFN : New video up that doesn't give much away livery-wise but interesting nonetheless with their mention of the 77W. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSNH2uj
183 miaskies : Um...did anyone else notice the end of the video? The tail hidden behind the black tarp? suspense! suspense!
184 jonnyclark : The fact they've focussed on the tail makes me think that their new brand will be logo based. I am guessing you will see a dramatic change to the AA
185 airliner371 : I noticed 3 main things, calling it American and not American Airlines, the hidden tail at the end and the 777-300ER painted as we have seen without
186 lostsound : That tail, was that a 777-300ER? Kind of looked 757ish.
187 Post contains links and images PHX787 : I'm guessing we'll see this in a few weeks: Yeah pretty sure that was a T7 tail
188 JoePatroni707 : N717AN AKA 7LA will be delivered to American Airlines tomorrow the 11th of December. Leaves PAE at 1000am ETA DFW 1545.. Be on the lookout and post pi
189 Post contains images ER757 : Yeah, A new logo seems imminent - that seem clear from the covered tail at the end. I agree with the poster that thinks the Eagle and/or the AA will
190 aa1818 : Awesome! Anyone know if she's painted yet- I mean with logo/ decals/ titles? Very exciting for AA. I assume all the interior issues are sorted out wi
191 Post contains links gdg9 : Do we know the flight number yet? Although I guess I'll just search for PAE into DFW flights! Set up a tracker on flight aware, but those don't alway
192 N766UA : Why would AA fly their brand new livery into DFW in the middle of the afternoon? If they haven't officially unveiled it, it must not be painted, othe
193 gdg9 : Yeah, after poking around a bit longer (see my edited post above), it seems highly doubtful its painted, as it was in all grey just three days ago.
194 Post contains images jalapeno : Interesting... Any guesses on equipment?
195 N766UA : That's what I'm thinking. Not to pick on you, it just seems weird that people seem to think that AA would just fly it in at 3PM without making a HUGE
196 rj777 : Is there a paint shop somewhere in DFW?
197 JoePatroni707 : IIRC flight will be AA9703... Its in DECS under extra flying summary for Tuesday. Rumor is it will NOT be delivered in the new livery. A temporary gen
198 gdg9 : No, very good point. I guess we are all excited to see the new livery. There is a paint shop at KFTW that handles some of the new 787s and others.
199 JAAlbert : I scanned the video in detail and noticed also that "Airlines" is nowhere mentioned or identified even in the logos appearing in the background durin
200 Post contains images etops1 : I Hortons shot of him Boarding the aircraft . Hopefully that's his exit shot
201 Post contains links CapEd388 : Heres a little excerpt from an interview that Horton had with Dallas Morning News. Heres his response when asked about the rebrand. He really doesnt a
202 american 767 : It looks like it's the tail of a 737 (800 of course, since it's the only 737 American flies) that's hidden behind the black bag, if you observe close
203 Post contains images N737AA : This is the flight number assigned in the company computer (DECS), departing PAE at 1000 lcl arriving DFW at 1545 lcl....thats a 3:45min block time.
204 JoePatroni707 : IMHO I really dont think we will see the new colors today. Just 4 days ago airplane was seen as we have already seen (all grey).. I dont think 4 days
205 777STL : Yeah, the plane under the black bag does look like a 738. You can see the angular piece where the tail meets the fuselage.
206 gdg9 : DWH? Is this short for something else? I thought these were due at DFW. Anyone know the 737 flight number?
207 miaami : Flight numbers for today are AA9703 777-300 PAE - DFW AA9702 737-800 BFI - DFW
208 crAAzy : Considering AA is asking for an extension into March 2013 now and the 77W should be flying scheduled service months before then I highly doubt they'l
209 dtw757 : The 737 flight is scheduled to leave BFI in a few minutes. Anyone there with a camera? It's probably in the old colors is my guess.
210 rj777 : HMMMM............. if that tarp was over the 737...... maybe Horton was being deceitful when he said the new colors were going to be unveiled on the 7
211 FWAERJ : Maybe it will be a simultaneous launch on the 738 and 77W. Just my guess. After all, NW simultaneously launched their final livery on several fleet t
212 Post contains links and images panam330 : View Large View MediumPhoto © Andras Kisgergely Fixed it.
213 Post contains images lostsound : Well both aircraft are supposedly flying to DFW today. I'd say we're looking at a dual aircraft livery reveal. That 737 can't be flying with a tarp.
214 deltaffindfw : According to AA.com, flight 9703 is going to Hangar 5. (Terminal H, Gate HGR 5)
215 JoePatroni707 : This suspense is driving me nuts... Meanwhile the AA execs are laughing at us A.Netters going nuts... I really dont think we will see anything today,
216 NYCAAer : AA just made a press release concerning the delivery of the 77W today. It's been delivered in the blank gray fuselage and white tail. The press releas
217 N737AA : DWH is the old Delta hangar 5 on the East side of the field between 17C/35C and 17L/35R off PAPPA.
218 Post contains links YYZBound : Well for what it's worth...here's the posted photo of the new First Class on it http://photos.prnewswire.com/prnfull/20121211/DA27769
219 817Dreamliiner : Saw it posted a while ago... looks nice in my opinion!
220 Post contains links lostsound : More interior images on the AA facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/AmericanAirlines
221 ABQopsHP : On closer look of the F-class seats. I know they may be those new light weight cushions. However they give the cabin a bit of a cheap look to it. The
222 Hamlet69 : I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but has anyone else considered that beneath that black tarped tail is. . . the current AA livery? It does ver
223 lostsound : They look fine to me. Then again, premium economy would be fancy to me. :P
224 Post contains images 817Dreamliiner : Well thats your opinion, nothing wrong with that of course I think it looks fine.
225 gdg9 : Well it looks like the 773 won't arrive until 530pm or later, so with sunset at 520ish, no photos today upon arrival. I can still catch the 738 if it
226 jalapeno : Looks like the 738 will land on 13R most likely.
227 LDVAviation : Definitely not cheap. This is what I notice... The bottom portion of the seat is wider than the current seat as evidenced by the bottom flap of the s
228 JoePatroni707 : The 777-300 is in the air and on its way to DFW! But as said it will be all grey for now.
229 AAIL86 : The current AA F seat on the 77E is quite comfortable - having taken a few long haul flights in them myself. I can't imagine that this slightly updat
230 TwoSixLeft : Albeit after a 90-minute delay at PAE... does anyone know what the hold-up was? Are these delays common in delivery flights?
231 Post contains links KarelXWB : Following N717AN http://fr24.com/N717AN
232 N737AA : Yes quite common. N737AA
233 gdg9 : Sure enough it landed on 17. A group of us were waiting and watched it float in at 420pm.
234 SXDFC : Is the 738 painted in the same colors as the 773?
235 N766UA : The 773 is grey.
236 jalapeno : Yup, I missed it. Waited by the cemetery, bummer!
237 tguman : Was that a typo? The question was whether the 737-800 was painted the same as the 777-300ER. so are you saying that the 777-300ER was grey with white
238 SXDFC : What I wanted to know is if the brand new 737-800 will be wearing the same colors as on the 777-300ER.
239 N766UA : I'm saying the 773 is grey, as in not painted yet, and the 738 is in the familiar silver.
240 Post contains images scbriml : If the 777-300ER is grey, as opposed to bare metal, then it is painted.
241 Post contains links and images lostsound : Looks like that's the 737-800 in the background, full current AA livery.
242 817Dreamliiner : Matt Cawby just tweeted that N718AN is now painted like N717AN.
243 N766UA : Unfinished then lol.
244 Post contains links EricR : According to this article from USA Today, we should know what the new livery looks like before January 31st. "The airline said Tuesday that the Boeing
245 Post contains images iFlyLOTs : They're on to us!
246 PHX787 : Were any photos included in this?
247 mcmax : I've been reading with amusement all the speculation about the new livery, and the supposed grey fuselage with the white QF-like tail. I guess I can a
248 blink182 : Will AA fly the aircraft around for a week or two between hubs for crew familiarization/PR, or is this considered to be identical to the 77E with the
249 Post contains links 817Dreamliiner : Yes, but he tweeted another pic of it a couple hours ago: http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8267924281/
250 rj777 : is it just me or does 718 look darker?
251 Post contains images DocLightning : With all the talk of "Retro," I'm wondering if they're going to go back to the older eagle symbol. Like this: Some variant of this could be the tail
252 Post contains images scbriml : It does*. OMG, that's it! AA is doing "Fifty ShAAdes of Grey" *It's exactly the same, even the caption says it's a grotty day so everything looks dar
253 Post contains images PHX787 : Nah I think it's just the crap weather. .......... Noooooooooo don't start that
254 Post contains images Deltal1011man : Delta West Hangar *sigh* (not at you, at the fact its not Delta's ) the idea was TOC in Atlanta was Delta east and the hangar in DFW was Delta west.
255 Post contains images teme82 : Yeah the AA folks have been reading this thread since post No. 1
256 Post contains images trigged : Is this Boeing's prototype for a B777 tanker for the USAF?
257 Post contains links and images Wilco737 : Part 4 now available as this is getting a little too long now. Link to part 4 here: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4 (by Wilco737 Dec
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