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A380 Production Thread Part 13  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
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User currently offlinetrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 561 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 74438 times:

KarelXWB reply 252 thread part 12:

MSN108 EK #27 rolled out at XFW
- MSN110 EK #29 undergoing customer flights, delivery rumoured for November 30
- MSN111 EK #30 rolled out at XFW
- MSN112 EK #31 inside the paint shop, roll out is eminent

What about MSN109? Is that #28 for EK? What stage is it at?

Thanks!


User currently offlinespeedygonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 729 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 74421 times:

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 1):

What about MSN109? Is that #28 for EK? What stage is it at?

Delivered 09.11. according to the Hamburg spotters:
http://www.aviation-community.de/for...c.php?f=16&t=4110&p=110248#p110242



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6887 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 74401 times:

I'm sure it has been asked before but I haven't seen the answer. Why no MSN97?

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30898 posts, RR: 87
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 74413 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 3):
I'm sure it has been asked before but I haven't seen the answer. Why no MSN97?

The A380 Production List site doesn't have any information, but I wonder if it was assigned to one of the freighters? Or from a customer that cancelled a passenger plane.


User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1040 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 74407 times:
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When is MSN93 Thai Airways HS-TUB supposed to the delivered and flown to Bangkok ?


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6887 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 74402 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
I wonder if it was assigned to one of the freighters? Or from a customer that cancelled a passenger plane.

Must be something like that. I'd be curious to know.


User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3744 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 74403 times:

I thought I'd ask on here:

What was an apparently unfinished A380 doing in Dresden in September?


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Is that a normal stopover during the production/fitting process?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 74407 times:

The A380 is Dresden is MSN5001, the fatigue test airframe.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/0690350/L/



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3744 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 74391 times:

Oh, right. Forgot about that one. Thanks.

Though I didn't know they would keep the rig up that long after certification.



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User currently offlinetak From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 74396 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 7):
What was an apparently unfinished A380 doing in Dresden in September?

Wondering if you selected the wrong picture? That is not an A380...


User currently offlineZKOKQ From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 74396 times:

Quoting tak (Reply 10):
Wondering if you selected the wrong picture? That is not an A380...

Check out the back ground.


User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3744 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 74398 times:

I guess I should have said it's hidden behind the scarred A300 walking out of surgery...


Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlinetak From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 74399 times:

@ francoflier, My apologies    , I did not look carefully...

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 74391 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 9):
Though I didn't know they would keep the rig up that long after certification

Because it's the fatigue aircraft testing, which continues long after the certification is done


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4722 posts, RR: 39
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 74397 times:
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Soon some new versions of the A380 will be produced offering different weight variants:

From: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ewest-a380-weight-variants-379235/

Three additional weight variants - designated WV006, WV007 and WV008 - have been included in a revision of the airframer's technical information. WV008 at 575 tons is now the highest weight variant to be offered to customers.  


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30898 posts, RR: 87
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 74401 times:
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Quoting EPA001 (Reply 15):
Three additional weight variants - designated WV006, WV007 and WV008 - have been included in a revision of the airframer's technical information.

As I expected, WV006 is the 573t MTOW variant.

WV007 looks to be for high-density regional missions as it has the lowest MTOW (492t) and ties for the highest MZFW (395t).

The 575t WV008 equals the RTO test with 16 main braking units, so to go any higher they will need to add the final four, which would then support TOWs of upwards of 625t.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 74103 times:

MSN124, BA's #3, is confirmed as the aircraft on convoy 27,

User currently offlineWolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 487 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 74023 times:

When will the modified wing with the final fix for the crack issue go into production?

User currently offlineswallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 73419 times:

Quoting Wolbo (Reply 18):
When will the modified wing with the final fix for the crack issue go into production?

TC expects the new wing in Jan 2014, but the fix has not yet been certified by EASA. The permanent fix will restore the 380 to its full lifecycle of 90,000 hours.

Clark points out that it is key for Airbus to receive European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) certification for the new design soon. “If you are coming up with a new wing in Jan. 14, you are not far away from production start.

I'd expect production to commence later this year.

EK #45 will be the first one delivered with the new wings.


http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_11_19_2012_p0-519054.xml



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 73197 times:

MSN113, EK's #32' had its first flight today, which also was the transfer flight to XFW for outfitting

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 72960 times:

TG has taken delivery of MSN093, their second frame.

Next up:

- MSN096 KE #6 at TLS delivery centre
- MSN100 TG #3 rolled out at XFW
- MSN108 EK #27 rolled out at XFW
- MSN110 EK #29 undergoing customer flights, delivery rumoured for November 30
- MSN111 EK #30 rolled out at XFW
- MSN112 EK #31 rolled out at XFW, rejected take-off test today

[Edited 2012-11-26 10:53:51]


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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 72227 times:

MSN094, MH's 5th, rolled out from outfitting yesterday. Apperently in full livery. Took 11 weeks, which is the fastest frame so far

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 21):
TG has taken delivery of MSN093, their second frame

Delivery flight was yesterday

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 21):
MSN110 EK #29 undergoing customer flights, delivery rumoured for November 30

Seems to be leaving for DXB today, unless there has been some last minutes changes


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 71754 times:

MSN110 delivery flight http://fr24.com/UAE7380

Airbus delivered 3 A380 aircraft in November:

MSN093 TG #2
MSN109 EK #28
MSN110 EK #29

Status of the 5 remaining frames for this year:

- MSN096 KE #6 at TLS delivery centre
- MSN100 TG #3 at TLS delivery centre
- MSN108 EK #27 rolled out at XFW
- MSN111 EK #30 rolled out at XFW
- MSN112 EK #31 flying from XFW

[Edited 2012-11-30 13:15:46]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 71068 times:

Update, Airbus delivered MSN096 KE #6 and MSN108 EK #27 is now flying.

26 deliveries for the current year and 4 to go:

- MSN100 TG #3 at TLS delivery centre
- MSN108 EK #27 flying from XFW
- MSN111 EK #30 rolled out at XFW
- MSN112 EK #31 flying from XFW

[Edited 2012-12-04 07:17:11]


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30898 posts, RR: 87
Reply 25, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 71576 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
26 deliveries for the current year

Which matches 2011's delivery rate.   


User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 71634 times:

Airbus' CEO Bregier confirms in a Reuters interview that the delivery target for 2013 is less than 30.

Quote:

Airbus expects to meet a target of delivering 30 superjumbos in 2012 as it catches up from a slowdown caused by the flaws in several components on each wing. Next year, deliveries could slip below 30 before exceeding that level in 2014, Bregier said. Airbus is sticking to a breakeven goal for the A380 by 2015.

Source:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...rbus-bregier-idUSBRE8B21AE20121203


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Reply 27, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 72584 times:

Quoting Focker (Reply 26):
Airbus' CEO Bregier confirms in a Reuters interview that the delivery target for 2013 is less than 30.

Less? Spontaneously I thought you mixed up "less" with "more than" but it's actually true. The reason might be that during summer 2012 there was a long period of time (some weeks if not months) when they had stopped the wings production and when they didn't deliver any wings to TLS and the final assembly line was almost empty. This had no affect on the 2012-production but on the 2013-production.

Some weeks ago I found a report about Airbus' supplier for the hatracks (Diehl) and they said that in 2013 they will deliver sets for 32 A 380s to XFW. However, this doesn't mean that Airbus will deliver 32 A 380s in 2013 because the sets delivered at the end of 2013 will be for 2014-deliveries.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 28, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 72541 times:

Precisely. All 2012 frames were already in FAL when Airbus slowed down the convoys.


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User currently onliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2611 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 72043 times:

Interesting news on airliners.de: EFW, in charge of A300 (and future A330) freighter conversions at DRS, is bidding for A380 wing repair work. It is rumored that they could perform wing repairs of 9 EK A380's in 2013.

http://www.airliners.de/technik/mro/efw-will-a380-reparieren/28625

This would help offload the FAL by creating additional capacity for wing work. Looks like a pretty good arrangement to me if it goes forward.


User currently onlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 30, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 71251 times:

Msn 133, another one for EK, is confirmed being on convoy 28/2012.

Btw: anyone know what happened to the forum at A380production?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 31, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 71257 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 30):
Btw: anyone know what happened to the forum at A380production?
http://www.facebook.com/a380production/posts/10151201030419825



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 32, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 70348 times:

MSN126, KE #7, har rolled out from the FAL in TLS. Used 11 weeks, which is the fastest KE frame so far

Deliveries for the next ones for EK, 108, 111 and 112 should be imminent and some of them is supposed to have had their customer acceptance flight. The same applies to MSN100, TG's #3


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 33, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 69313 times:

Update:

- MSN108 A6-EEA delivery flight http://fr24.com/UAE7380
- MSN100 HS-TUC is now wearing its final registration http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/8287475930/

28 deliveries for 2012 so far, 2 to go (MSN111 & MSN112).



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 34, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 68784 times:

MSN116, EK's #33, was transfered to XFW for outfitting earlier this week

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 35, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 67716 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 33):
Update:
- MSN100 HS-TUC is now wearing its final registration http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/8287475930/

Delivery flight to BKK 20/12


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 36, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days ago) and read 66830 times:

The delivery flight of MSN112, the 30th whalejet for EK, is scheduled for today.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 37, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 66122 times:

MSN111 EK #31 delivery confirmed for today.


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User currently onlineindia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 65987 times:
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Target met, 30th for the year delivered, as confirmed by Airbus -

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...very-target-as-new-orders-lag.html


User currently offlineRickNRoll From Afghanistan, joined Jan 2012, 812 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days ago) and read 65837 times:

From that article

"....concern a component in the aircraft’s wing is prone to cracking. Regulators are expected to approve a fix to the wing flaw early next year."

There isn't concern that a component is prone to cracking, it's a fact it's prone to cracking, and there is a manufacturing fix that has been developed for it. It would probably be in production already except that there is the approval process that has to be followed. For wings manufactured with the fault, the fix is being applied after the plane has finished manufacturing, or later at the buyers convenience.


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Reply 40, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 65606 times:

@ RicknRoll: I noticed the same section in that article. It's actually bad news. Airbus was hoping to get the approval at the end of this year. So I suppose they still have to build the wings acc. to the old design, meaning that with every month delay of the approval they have to repair two additional airframes (unless they stop the wing production again), correct?

Anyhow, congratulation for delivering 30 A 380s in 2012.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 41, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 65301 times:

Approval for the wing fix is on track for January 2013.


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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4722 posts, RR: 39
Reply 42, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 64851 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 41):
Approval for the wing fix is on track for January 2013.

That is good news.  


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Reply 43, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 63999 times:

Happy new year to all a-netters!

Sorry if this has been posted before but I don't think I have seen this here before.
Airbus is extending their A 380 facilities in XFW. See this picture: http://v2.airplaneupload.de/display-i7032bjp8xq.html
Source: http://www.aviation-friends-hamburg-forum.de/showthread.php?tid=6547


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 44, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 63970 times:

Yes, Airbus is building 2 new hangars for cabin outfitting. This is part of the production ramp-up plans.


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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13003 posts, RR: 100
Reply 45, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 63849 times:
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Quoting india1 (Reply 38):

Target met, 30th for the year delivered, as confirmed by Airbus -

Excellent. What is the target for 2013 after wing crack delays?

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
Yes, Airbus is building 2 new hangars for cabin outfitting. This is part of the production ramp-up plans.


Good to hear. That should allow for an increase in production.

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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4722 posts, RR: 39
Reply 46, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 63640 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):

Yes, Airbus is building 2 new hangars for cabin outfitting

So the pressure on the cabin outfitting process can be better handled? This means no flights to Hamburg for the A380's which will be outfitted here in Toulouse?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 47, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 63628 times:

No, that picture was taken at Hamburg (XFW). They are building 2 new hangars at XFW.


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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2803 posts, RR: 59
Reply 48, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 63647 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 45):
Excellent. What is the target for 2013 after wing crack delays?

On 3rd Dec at EADS GIF 2012 Bregier stated A will deliver 60 A380 over 2013-2014, slightly less 2013 as the production wing fix gets implemented and slightly more 2014. What slightly is he did not define. Another interesting point was that he maintained the 380 will become production cost positive by 2015 despite wing problems, A has made quite some progress on 380 costs (I listened to his talk to get 350 info and also caught this).



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4722 posts, RR: 39
Reply 49, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 63333 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
No, that picture was taken at Hamburg (XFW)

Thanks for correcting my mistake. I somehow had read Toulouse where it should have been Hamburg of course.


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3494 posts, RR: 27
Reply 50, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 63200 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
Yes, Airbus is building 2 new hangars for cabin outfitting.

Well it them long enough to figure out where the problem was.. must have been reading A.net...      


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 51, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 62761 times:

MSN119, EK's 34th, had its first flight and transfer to XFW for outfitting today. In addition MSN125, TG's 5th, was confirmed as being on convoy 01/2013

User currently onlinebongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3563 posts, RR: 3
Reply 52, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 62909 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 50):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
Yes, Airbus is building 2 new hangars for cabin outfitting.

Well it them long enough to figure out where the problem was.. must have been reading A.net...

In my very humble opinion, rather than a lack of hangar space the problem appears to be that outfitting just takes far too long.


User currently onlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 795 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 62799 times:

G'day

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 51):
MSN119, EK's 34th, had its first flight and transfer to XFW for outfitting today

Presumably that's the one on its way to XFW at 43000 ft doing 500 kts  http://www.flightradar24.com/AIB01SY/view


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 54, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 62731 times:

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 53):
Presumably that's the one on its way to XFW at 43000 ft doing 500 kts

Correct.



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3494 posts, RR: 27
Reply 55, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 62458 times:
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Quoting bongodog1964 (Reply 52):
In my very humble opinion, rather than a lack of hangar space the problem appears to be that outfitting just takes far too long.

I perhaps jumped the gun.. since outfitting is the bottleneck, I reasoned that the new building would support outfitting with more work space.. however you may be correct ...


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30898 posts, RR: 87
Reply 56, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 62442 times:
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Having additional outfitting stations would allow Airbus to have more A380s in outfitting at the same time, so it should result in more A380s delivered per year, even if the outfitting time per A380 remains high.

User currently onlinebongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3563 posts, RR: 3
Reply 57, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 62437 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 56):
Having additional outfitting stations would allow Airbus to have more A380s in outfitting at the same time, so it should result in more A380s delivered per year, even if the outfitting time per A380 remains high.
Quoting kanban (Reply 55):
I perhaps jumped the gun.. since outfitting is the bottleneck, I reasoned that the new building would support outfitting with more work space.. however you may be correct ...

I'm sure that extra work space will allow faster deliveries, it is however a classic case of curing a problem by throwing money at it.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 58, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 62320 times:

The plan is to ramp up the production rate to 3 frames a month somewhere in 2014. That means we should see about 36 deliveries in 2015. The FAL at TLS has already the capacity to produce about 40 frames a year, but XFW hasn't. The 2 new outfit hangers currently being constructed at XFW must help Airbus to reach that target of 3 frames a month.

The outfitting process is also accelerating. For example, MSN094 MH #5 rolled out after 11 weeks in XFW, the fastest outfitting job ever.



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4722 posts, RR: 39
Reply 59, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 62099 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 58):
The outfitting process is also accelerating. For example, MSN094 MH #5 rolled out after 11 weeks in XFW, the fastest outfitting job ever.

That is good news. They still seem to make progress in that department, which is a very good thing for the A380-program.


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 62099 times:

Quoting bongodog1964 (Reply 57):
I'm sure that extra work space will allow faster deliveries, it is however a classic case of curing a problem by throwing money at it.

Might still be an appropriate solution. They haven't been able to solve the problem of A380s taking too long outfitting yet so it's fair enough that they would increase capacity.


User currently onliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2611 posts, RR: 1
Reply 61, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 61788 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 40):
congratulation for delivering 30 A 380s in 2012.

   Hitting the target and achieving a slight ramp-up respect to 2011 (26 deliveries) despite all the wing problems is definitely good news.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 40):
with every month delay of the approval they have to repair two additional airframes (unless they stop the wing production again), correct?

I see it that way too. But if the approval indeed comes this month the impact will be minimal.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 45):
What is the target for 2013 after wing crack delays?
Quoting ferpe (Reply 48):
On 3rd Dec at EADS GIF 2012 Bregier stated A will deliver 60 A380 over 2013-2014,
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 58):
The plan is to ramp up the production rate to 3 frames a month somewhere in 2014. That means we should see about 36 deliveries in 2015.

That's not very encouraging...    I hope there's a mistake in that info as it would mean an average of only 30 frames/year in 2013-14, a flat production rate. I would have expected more than that after the final wing solution is approved, with a ramp-up to 3 per month sometime in 2013.

I believe the current backlog and neverending uncertainties over production and delivery rates are holding potential A380 customers back. Achieving a stable and sustained 3/month rate sooner rather than later is essential to winning new customers IMO.


User currently onlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 795 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 61682 times:

G'day

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
Yes, Airbus is building 2 new hangars for cabin outfitting. This is part of the production ramp-up plans.
Quoting Stitch (Reply 56):
Having additional outfitting stations would allow Airbus to have more A380s in outfitting at the same time, so it should result in more A380s delivered per year, even if the outfitting time per A380 remains high.
Quoting ferpe (Reply 48):
On 3rd Dec at EADS GIF 2012 Bregier stated A will deliver 60 A380 over 2013-2014, slightly less 2013 as the production wing fix gets implemented and slightly more 2014

So if they were maintaining present production rates as per Bregier's quote why would they build these additional hangars. Or have plans changed since they started building these additional hangars? Or else will the additional hangarage be used for the wing fixes? The 100+ airframes requiring these fixes will have to be parked somewhere indoors while the modifications are done, there are not that many suitable hangars available. Question is when will these additional hangars be completed and when is the modified hardware becoming available to actually do the fixes? After the fixes are done on the airframes that are handled by Airbus itself the hangars could be used for production increases in say 2015?

Lots of assumptions I know, but there are not too many answers out there - for A-nutters anyway   

Cheers

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30898 posts, RR: 87
Reply 63, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 61360 times:
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Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 62):
Or else will the additional hangarage be used for the wing fixes?

These new hangars will not be used for wing fixes. Right now it takes so long to install the cabin on an A380 that Airbus has a backlog of completed airframes parked waiting for an open cabin outfitting position at XFW. By adding these two additional stations, Airbus can work on more A380s concurrently. So instead of being able to outfit two (?) A380s every three-four months, they can now outfit four (?).


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 64, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 61011 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 63):
So instead of being able to outfit two (?) A380s every three-four months, they can now outfit four (?).

AFAIK they'll go from six to eight outfittings stations, thus increasing capacity by 33%


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Reply 65, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 60784 times:

@Someone83 / Stich: that's correct. Before, they had:
6 outfitting hangars
2 painting hangars
2 flightline hangars

Didn't Airbus' management analyse plans to allocate outfitting works to TLS? Well, the answer to who has won this fight is shown in the picture linked above and consists of steel beams and sandwich panels  


User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 60456 times:

Does anyone know roughly what the 30 or so deliveries will be this year?

I know BA will be a new customer this year, Qatar was to have been but this has slipped to 2014 due to the wing crack issue and Malaysian and China Southern should have their orders completed this year.


User currently offlineRuscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 67, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 60307 times:

Quoting Wolbo (Reply 18):
When will the modified wing with the final fix for the crack issue go into production?

Any further news or information on this?

Ruscoe


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 68, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 60319 times:

Quoting KennyK (Reply 66):
Does anyone know roughly what the 30 or so deliveries will be this year?

Not yet, it's too soon. So far Airbus has already 19 frames to be delivered this year:

- MSN002 private
- MSN094 MH #5
- MSN095 BA #1
- MSN113 EK #32
- MSN114 MH #6
- MSN115 AF #9
- MSN116 EK #33
- MSN119 EK #34
- MSN120 CZ #5
- MSN121 BA #2
- MSN122 TG #4
- MSN123 EK #35
- MSN124 BA #3
- MSN125 TG #5
- MSN126 KE #7
- MSN127 EK #36
- MSN128 KE #8
- MSN132 EK #37
- MSN133 EK #38

We should see more convoys for EK (MSN134, MSN135 and MSN136) and TH (MSN131) but for the moment I have no idea of the rest.



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User currently offlineAviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 613 posts, RR: 8
Reply 69, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 60032 times:

Thank you very much KarelXWB
Only one new operator for the A380 in 2013 ? British Airways ?


Have a good day


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 70, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 60075 times:

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 69):
Only one new operator for the A380 in 2013 ? British Airways ?

Correct. 2014 will be more exciting with 4 new operators: Qatar, Asiana, Skymark and Etihad. Maybe a fifth if Air Austral will continue with the A380.



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4722 posts, RR: 39
Reply 71, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 60017 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 70):
2014 will be more exciting with 4 new operators: Qatar, Asiana, Skymark and Etihad. Maybe a fifth if Air Austral will continue with the A380.

That could have an impact on the cabin outfitting times. It will be interesting to watch how far Airbus has developed that process with so many new customers for the A380. The extra outfitting facilities at XFW will be very useful then.  


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 72, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 59997 times:

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 67):
Any further news or information on this?

The final wing fix should be approved this month. There is an approximately 10-month lead-time on the wing, so we should see the first frames with the final fix in Q4 2013.



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User currently offlineAviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 613 posts, RR: 8
Reply 73, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 59957 times:

Ok
So 2013 the focus is the wings...
2014 is back to business as usual but with a lot of new operators...


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 74, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 59961 times:

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 73):
So 2013 the focus is the wings...

  

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 73):
2014 is back to business as usual but with a lot of new operators...

   And ramping up the production to 3 frames a month.



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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 59559 times:

I make it that the backlog will theoretically be delivered mid-2020. Perhaps a bit earlier with cancellations to come such as IT. I'd think a higher production rate than 3/mth would be something they should be seeking, although I guess that depends on whether they can sell enough further frames.

User currently offlineBigJKU From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 879 posts, RR: 12
Reply 76, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 59424 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 48):

On 3rd Dec at EADS GIF 2012 Bregier stated A will deliver 60 A380 over 2013-2014, slightly less 2013 as the production wing fix gets implemented and slightly more 2014. What slightly is he did not define. Another interesting point was that he maintained the 380 will become production cost positive by 2015 despite wing problems, A has made quite some progress on 380 costs (I listened to his talk to get 350 info and also caught this).

Doing the math on this they will have delivered around 60% of the program before they are building a plane not for a cash loss on each individual unit? If R&D is 11 billion Euro's that would mean that, without interest, you need to make roughly 100 million Euro's in profit on everything left in the order book to recoup development cost? I have to think them putting more money into the outfitting side means more orders are coming because I can't see investing any more cash in the program at this point without substantially more orders coming in.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 75):
I make it that the backlog will theoretically be delivered mid-2020. Perhaps a bit earlier with cancellations to come such as IT. I'd think a higher production rate than 3/mth would be something they should be seeking, although I guess that depends on whether they can sell enough further frames.

I would think you would have to see program launch of the A389 relatively soon. At the pace they are proposing Airbus is sitting on a 4-5 year backlog as of today and you have to figure the 900 would take a couple of years to put together, you would not want a production gap. Unless they slowed down production they would be looking at being done in the 2018ish time frame. That means they need the orders or they have to slow the line down to keep it operating which does not sound appealing I would not think.


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 59869 times:

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 76):
Airbus is sitting on a 4-5 year backlog as of today

Oops, must have miscalculated!

Theoretical backlog = 165
2013 expected production = 30
2014 onwards expected production = 36/year

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 76):
slow the line down to keep it operating which does not sound appealing

Certainly agree with this. But the A380 has seen steady orders, as well as a mediocre production ramp up, which have kept the backlog long. Who's to say that people won't keep ordering it?

[Edited 2013-01-06 00:08:37]

User currently onlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 307 posts, RR: 1
Reply 78, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 59867 times:

What is the delivery date of the BA plane?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 79, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 59694 times:

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 76):
Doing the math on this they will have delivered around 60% of the program before they are building a plane not for a cash loss on each individual unit? If R&D is 11 billion Euro's that would mean that, without interest, you need to make roughly 100 million Euro's in profit on everything left in the order book to recoup development cost? I have to think them putting more money into the outfitting side means more orders are coming because I can't see investing any more cash in the program at this point without substantially more orders coming in.

Forget the R&D costs. Sometimes you have to invest to ensure your future. I see the A380 R&D costs as an investement for an aircraft that will generate a positive cash flow.

Quote:
I would think you would have to see program launch of the A389 relatively soon. At the pace they are proposing Airbus is sitting on a 4-5 year backlog as of today and you have to figure the 900 would take a couple of years to put together, you would not want a production gap. Unless they slowed down production they would be looking at being done in the 2018ish time frame. That means they need the orders or they have to slow the line down to keep it operating which does not sound appealing I would not think.

I don't see the A389 coming before the 777X. But the big airplane itself is not the problem, the weak VLA market is currently the problem. Both Boeing and Airbus believe that they will sell more VLA aircraft again from 2014 and beyond.

[Edited 2013-01-06 01:55:32]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 80, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 59775 times:

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 78):
What is the delivery date of the BA plane?

The first BA A380 is scheduled to arrive at LHR in July.



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User currently offlineUnited885 From Germany, joined Apr 2011, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 59689 times:

What about the IT A380´s?
Are they still scheduled for 2016? Or is the order canceled after the bancrupt of IT?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 82, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 59506 times:

The IT A380 order has not been officially canceled yet, but I'm pretty sure we will never see an A380 in IT livery.


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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 83, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 58826 times:

BA's #2, MSN121, has rolled out from FAL in TLS, after 13 weeks.

In XFW, the 6th and final aircraft for MH seems to have finished outfitting and are know waiting to be painted


User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 84, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 58683 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 83):
In XFW, the 6th and final aircraft for MH seems to have finished outfitting and are know waiting to be painted

As I always do, I wonder if they'll order a top-up on delivery of the final one. I'm guessing probably not but it was perceived wisdon that MH didn't really need the A380 in the first place so they're doing ok getting their full order in


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 85, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 57906 times:

MSN131, TG's 6th and final A380, is being shipped on convoy 2/2013, arriving in TLS this week

User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Reply 86, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 57502 times:

I just read some new information about the wing fix issue on a German aviation forum and I thought it would be worth sharing it here:

Airbus is currently applying the final fix on MSN 095, BA #1.

Either they have the approval for the final fix, which was expected to be issued at the end of 2012 / beginning of 2013, or maybe kind of an exception to apply the final fix on an airframe currently in production (not an expert in that respect).

That's actually good news: before it was common understanding that only airframes convoyed to TLS after approval of the final fix would be delivered without any necessary repair works later on because only these airframes would have the wings built on the basis of the final fix.

The word is also that there is an "interim fix", which has been approved and which is sufficient until the middle of the life cycle of the airframe, where the most comprehensive check has to be done anyway and during which the final fix can be made.


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3494 posts, RR: 27
Reply 87, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 57419 times:
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Quoting N14AZ (Reply 86):
Airbus is currently applying the final fix on MSN 095, BA #1.

so will regulatory want to see some actual testing on this plane prior to delivery?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 88, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 57172 times:

Airbus said that the wing fix won't be available until October 2013 because there is a lead time of 10 months on the wing. So I'm wondering how MSN095 can have it already.

Quote:
The word is also that there is an "interim fix", which has been approved and which is sufficient until the middle of the life cycle of the airframe, where the most comprehensive check has to be done anyway and during which the final fix can be made.

Airbus has an interim fix since several months now, some EK frames already have it installed.

[Edited 2013-01-10 15:27:28]


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User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2212 posts, RR: 56
Reply 89, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 56732 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 88):
I'm wondering how MSN095 can have it already

It's a repair (restoring the item to its intended function and performance, although it will not conform to the baseline engineering drawings), as opposed to rework to the new wing standard (bringing the item into full conformance with the new baseline engineering drawings)


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Reply 90, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 56471 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 88):
Airbus said that the wing fix won't be available until October 2013 because there is a lead time of 10 months on the wing. So I'm wondering how MSN095 can have it already.

Because they are installing it right now retroactively in Finkenwerder, in parallel to the outfitting works

The statement of Airbus you are refering to refers to the "normal" production where they will apply the final fix now in the production of the wings and considering the lead time of roughly one year, deliveries starting from early 2014 will not require any interim or final fix (assuming no new issue will pop up...).

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 88):
Airbus has an interim fix since several months now

I know this, of course. What was new, well, at least to me, that the interim fix lasts that long. Don't remember the previous figure but IIRC it was considerably less.

Quoting kanban (Reply 87):
so will regulatory want to see some actual testing on this plane prior to delivery?

Honestly, I have no clue. Maybe someone else knows the answer to that question.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 91, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 56422 times:

Off course, there is a difference between the frames currently in production and the wing production. Thanks for clearing that up.

Last December Airbus said that the fix would be certified in January 2013 so it's possible. We will probably hear more about it on January 17th. Now Qatar should advance their first delivery back to 2013  



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9779 posts, RR: 11
Reply 92, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 56440 times:

Hey guys,

My apologies if this has been asked before (as I haven't followed the A380 production thread in a long time) but which new A380 operator is the next to be rolled out of the factory? Qatar Airways, Vietnam Airlines, Etihad Airways, Asiana, Skymark? Am I missing other airlines who have ordered the A380 and who still need to receive their first A380?

Also, what's the status on Hong Kong Airlines, South African Airways, Iberia and their interest in the A380? Do they (still) have an interest in the A380?

A388


User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 56333 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 92):
My apologies if this has been asked before (as I haven't followed the A380 production thread in a long time) but which new A380 operator is the next to be rolled out of the factory? Qatar Airways, Vietnam Airlines, Etihad Airways, Asiana, Skymark? Am I missing other airlines who have ordered the A380 and who still need to receive their first A380?

BA mid of 2013 followed by QR early 2014 if I am not mistaken.


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Reply 94, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 55569 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 92):
Vietnam Airlines

They never ordered the A 380. It was just a MoU. At that time we were joking that it would be a good moment to invest in companies active in producing dark-blue paint. Let's hope nobody took this seriously....

Finally, they are painting the MH A 380s in full colours in XFW. In particular, I love this picture.
http://v2.airplaneupload.de/images-i7351bsivay.jpg
Looks a little bit like Safari Airways (for those who remember this airline...)

Source: http://www.aviation-community.de/for...viewtopic.php?f=8&p=113155#p113155


User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 55062 times:

So many planes delivered and still not a single special livery in sight. I'm not even comparing it to the 787. Every other widebody must have a higher ratio of special liveries per frame delivered (i.e., more than 1%). We don't even have a plane in an alliance scheme yet. Why is that so?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 96, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 54833 times:

MSN089 MH #4 will probably get an oneworld livery next month.


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User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8533 posts, RR: 54
Reply 97, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 54545 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 96):
MSN089 MH #4 will probably get an oneworld livery next month.

- Now that would be nice to see.



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User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 54409 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 96):
MSN089 MH #4 will probably get an oneworld livery next month.

Ah, finally! Would have preferred something like Wunala Dreaming, but it's a start.  


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 99, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 53810 times:

From http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...ands-defis-d-airbus-pour-2013.html

"The manufacturer must be submitted first to the successful implementation of the technical solution to the microcracks - it has been validated - in order to deliver aircraft smoothly in 2014. The first wing with all aluminum ribs started on the site UK Broughton mid-December for a unit of Qatar Airways."



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 100, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 52988 times:

MSN134, EK's #39, is being confirmed on convoy 3/2013. Arriving in TLS this week

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9779 posts, RR: 11
Reply 101, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 52843 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 94):
They never ordered the A 380. It was just a MoU.

Thanks I thought the VN A380 order was finalized/confirmed. Guess not...

A388


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 102, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 53557 times:

Back in 2009 Vietnam Airlines is/was interested in the A380 but they couldn't firm the order because 1) they have no suitable airport for the whalejet 2) the A380 performance was not good enough and 3) there were some issues with the FAA standarts too.

Now with the 2013 facts:

1) The newLong Thanh International Airport should support the A380 but won't be ready until 2020 at least. Construction has yet to start.
2) The new 2013 improved A380 should do the job.
3) Those issues should be fixed by now.

The number of air passengers in Vietnam's airports will reach 82 million by 2020 so the A380 might work for them, but don't expect a firm order before 2018 or so. An A380 order depends on the new airport.

[Edited 2013-01-22 06:13:54]


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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 103, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 52748 times:

Some movements in TLS:
MSN127, KE's 7th, had its first flight. Stayed in TLS and didn't transfer to XFE
MSN125, TG's 5th, seems to have gone from body join to FAL1
MSN132, EK's 37th, has rolled out from FAL after 11 weeks


User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 104, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 51699 times:

Airbus say that 2013 production rates will remain the same:

A320 - 42pm
A330 - 10pm
A380 - 3pm

The A380 production rate of three aircraft per month will not increase in 2013 as the manufacturer deals with the wing crack issue and weak demand for very large aircraft (VLA).

“But we have enough flexibility in the A380 system and we can increase production any time if necessary,” - Airbus COO Guenter Butschek.

To me it sounds like he is saying that Airbus is currently able to build and outfit 33 A380's a year and could increase that rate fairly easily. Have they found a way to accelerate outfitting, I wonder?

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...30-a380-production-rates-year-0125


User currently onlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 105, posted (1 year 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 50808 times:

Yesterday MSN126, KE's #7, was transfered to XFW for outfitting, while MSN094, MH's #5, went the opposite way and is now in TLS for final preparations before delivery

User currently onliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2611 posts, RR: 1
Reply 106, posted (1 year 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 50832 times:

Quoting art (Reply 104):
it sounds like he is saying that Airbus is currently able to build and outfit 33 A380's a year and could increase that rate fairly easily. Have they found a way to accelerate outfitting, I wonder?

As mentioned above, 2 new outfitting hangars are being built at XFW. So while the total outfitting time may not be significantly reduced, there will be more capacity to outfit more a/c at the same time, thus giving more ramp-up flexibility. But indeed it seems that at least for 2013 things will stay as they are in terms of production rates and deliveries, to our disappointment :-/


User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 107, posted (1 year 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 50446 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 106):
But indeed it seems that at least for 2013 things will stay as they are in terms of production rates and deliveries, to our disappointment

It takes nearly a year from convoy of parts to delivery IIRC. That means an average of about 3 complete frames convoyed each month in 2013 to achieve 3 deliveries per month in 2014. It will be interesting to see what the convoy rate is in the next few months.


User currently onlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 108, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 49451 times:

MSN136, EK's 40th, is being confirmed on convoy 4/2013.

MSN114, the sixth and last to MH, has finished outfitting in XFW, while MSN121, BA's 2nd, has done its RTO in TLS and should soon transfer to XFW for outfitting


User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2445 posts, RR: 12
Reply 109, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 48696 times:

Seems Airbus has a little wing-transportation snag . . . :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-21305011



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Reply 110, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 48418 times:

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User currently offlineWolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 487 posts, RR: 1
Reply 111, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 47777 times:

MSN094 (9M-MNE) was delivered today, the 5th for Malaysia Airlines and the 98th A380 in total.

Two more and it's party time....   


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 112, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 47561 times:

Quoting PW100 (Reply 109):
Seems Airbus has a little wing-transportation snag . . . :

Is this the reason for the splitting up of the recent convoys, or is this due to other issues?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 113, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 47447 times:

Quoting Wolbo (Reply 111):
Two more and it's party time....

   MSN120 CZ #5 should be next (99th). Number 100 could be MSN113 (EK #32), MSN114 (MH #6) or MSN122 (TG 4).

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 112):
Is this the reason for the splitting up of the recent convoys, or is this due to other issues?

It is.



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4722 posts, RR: 39
Reply 114, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 47447 times:
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Quoting Wolbo (Reply 111):
Two more and it's party time....  

The first century is coming up. Though much later the originally anticipated, it will still be quite a memorable moment.  


User currently offlineKL5147 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 46988 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 113):
MSN120 CZ #5 should be next (99th). Number 100 could be MSN113 (EK #32), MSN114 (MH #6) or MSN122 (TG 4).

What about MSN115 (intended for AF)? it won't be #100 but it seems to be a long time in FAL. It left Langon for road transport to Toulouse on august 17th.

[Edited 2013-02-08 07:09:28]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 116, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 46926 times:

MSN115 rolled out after ~ 23 weeks in FAL.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/8447092799/



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 117, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 46125 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 108):
MSN136, EK's 40th, is being confirmed on convoy 4/2013.

Confirmed now.



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User currently offlinecaliatenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 118, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 46137 times:

will the new EK 380's have the range to do DXB to the US West Coast?

User currently onliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2611 posts, RR: 1
Reply 119, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 45643 times:

Quoting caliatenza (Reply 118):
will the new EK 380's have the range to do DXB to the US West Coast?

Very possibly, but only those assembled after MSN95, BA's first, and the first aircraft introducing a higher MTOW and other tweaks like a wing twist change. It's not about having the range, but about the range to do it with a meaningful payload for EK. If those couple extra tons MTOW are enough, I guess we'll find out through future EK route annoucements  


User currently offlinejumpjet From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 44700 times:

A few daft questions please...

Anyone any idea when the first BA A380 will emerge from the paintshop? Is the interior fully fitted out before paint and how many BA airframes are now "complete"?


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30898 posts, RR: 87
Reply 121, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 44388 times:
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Quoting jumpjet (Reply 120):
Is the interior fully fitted out before paint...

BA performs cabin outfitting (at least for the premium cabins) at Cardiff so I would guess this would be the case for the A380.


User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 122, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 44350 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 121):
BA performs cabin outfitting (at least for the premium cabins) at Cardiff so I would guess this would be the case for the A380

If it still takes Airbus a long time to outfit an A380 after doing it 100 times, how long would it take BA with no previous experience?


User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4000 posts, RR: 34
Reply 123, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 44176 times:

Quoting art (Reply 122):
If it still takes Airbus a long time to outfit an A380 after doing it 100 times, how long would it take BA with no previous experience?

You are comparing apples and oranges.
BA installs the premium seats at Cardiff, the Boeings arrive with all the wall and ceiling panels and PSUs etc fitted.
But I believe the A380 is being fully fitted at XFW, all the A320 fleet are.


User currently onlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 124, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 44003 times:

China Southern's firth and final (MSN120) was ferried down to TLS for preparation for delivery today


To bad the A380production blogg has died making in harder to follow the production these days


User currently offlinepetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 349 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 44059 times:
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Quoting someone83 (Reply 124):
To bad the A380production blogg has died making in harder to follow the production these days

I believe Airbus had a hand in shutting it down!   


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13003 posts, RR: 100
Reply 126, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 43768 times:
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Quoting N14AZ (Reply 86):
Airbus is currently applying the final fix on MSN 095, BA #1.

Either they have the approval for the final fix, which was expected to be issued at the end of 2012 / beginning of 2013, or maybe kind of an exception to apply the final fix on an airframe currently in production (not an expert in that respect).
Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 89):
It's a repair (restoring the item to its intended function and performance, although it will not conform to the baseline engineering drawings), as opposed to rework to the new wing standard (bringing the item into full conformance with the new baseline engineering drawings)

Just to clarify, it sounds like this will be built *at risk* with the "permanent repair" instead of the new wing? Its perfectly legal to make an aircraft off drawing to a new as yet un-certified standard. But there is a risk that they must be brought to a new standard to enter commercial service. (The best example would be the 'terrible teen 787s.')

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 102):
1) The newLong Thanh International Airport should support the A380 but won't be ready until 2020 at least.

And then domestic flights will be split... I am not in favor of split hubs. That pushes connections elsewhere (I've yet to see 'easy enough' domestic transfers for the 1st time traveler between airports.).

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 114):
The first century is coming up. Though much later the originally anticipated, it will still be quite a memorable moment.

I'm excited.   


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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Reply 127, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 44177 times:

Quoting petera380 (Reply 125):
I believe Airbus had a hand in shutting it down!

Is that really true? I mean they didn't do anything illegal there so an which basis would Airbus be able to threaten them?
Spotting movements in TLS and in XFW is not illegal, nor is it to take photos during the convoy when the fuselage parts pass this little village in France.

I thought it was rather about the fees for keeping the forum online.
Any information would be highly appreciated. Anyway, thank you for your good work in the last years.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 121):
BA performs cabin outfitting (at least for the premium cabins) at Cardiff so I would guess this would be the case for the A380.

Did they make this for all their recent B 777 deliveries?

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 123):
But I believe the A380 is being fully fitted at XFW, all the A320 fleet are.

I also would be suprised if they didn't do it in XFW. It would be the first A 380-operator that completes the cabin outfitting on his own. But who knows.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30898 posts, RR: 87
Reply 128, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 44113 times:
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Quoting N14AZ (Reply 127):
Did they make this for all their recent B 777 deliveries?

Yes. Boeing delivered the planes with the World Traveller Plus and World Traveller cabins installed. BA Engineering than handled installation of First Class and Club World at Cardiff.


User currently offlinejumpjet From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 43800 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 128):
Yes. Boeing delivered the planes with the World Traveller Plus and World Traveller cabins installed. BA Engineering than handled installation of First Class and Club World at Cardiff.

So, can anyone confirm that this is going to happen with the BA A380s? Sounds a bit improbable to me!

S when is the first BA A380 going to be emerging from the paintshop and is the normal way of doing things to fully outfit the interior before final paint?


User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 130, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 43585 times:

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 129):
S when is the first BA A380 going to be emerging from the paintshop and is the normal way of doing things to fully outfit the interior before final paint?

Hard to say but the plane will be delivered in June 2013 if it helps


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3563 posts, RR: 3
Reply 131, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 43626 times:

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 129):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 128):
Yes. Boeing delivered the planes with the World Traveller Plus and World Traveller cabins installed. BA Engineering than handled installation of First Class and Club World at Cardiff.

So, can anyone confirm that this is going to happen with the BA A380s? Sounds a bit improbable to me!

Silly question, but is Cardiff maintenance A380 compatible space wise, and secondly with the BA long haul fleet gradually expanding at what point does Cardiff run out of capacity ?


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Reply 132, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 43407 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 128):
Yes. Boeing delivered the planes with the World Traveller Plus and World Traveller cabins installed. BA Engineering than handled installation of First Class and Club World at Cardiff.

Thanks for the information.

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 129):
is the normal way of doing things to fully outfit the interior before final paint?

So far we saw two approaches. A - painting after cabin outfitting or B - cabin outfitting interrupted for two weeks for painting.
The latter is most probably to optimize the utilization of the painting facilities.

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 129):
So when is the first BA A380 going to be emerging from the paintshop

If delivery is planned for the end of June I would say roll-out from the painting hangar at the end of April at the latest.


User currently offlinejumpjet From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 43394 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 132):
So far we saw two approaches. A - painting after cabin outfitting or B - cabin outfitting interrupted for two weeks for painting.
The latter is most probably to optimize the utilization of the painting facilities.

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 129):
So when is the first BA A380 going to be emerging from the paintshop

If delivery is planned for the end of June I would say roll-out from the painting hangar at the end of April at the latest.

Many thanks for your reply. Very grateful...


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 134, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 43524 times:

The first BA A380 (MSN095) is now in its 15th outfit-week since arrival at XFW. Outfitting usually takes ~ 17 weeks for a new customer, so I expect the roll out somewhere next month. However, MSN095 will also undergo wing repair but it's not clear to me if this will be done in XFW or TLS. Depending on this issue the roll out might last longer.


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User currently offlinejumpjet From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 43260 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 134):
The first BA A380 (MSN095) is now in its 15th outfit-week since arrival at XFW. Outfitting usually takes ~ 17 weeks for a new customer, so I expect the roll out somewhere next month. However, MSN095 will also undergo wing repair but it's not clear to me if this will be done in XFW or TLS. Depending on this issue the roll out might last longer.

Should be worth the wait. I always think it's quite exciting to see a new airliner in the livery of a new customer airline. As BA is something of a national icon in the UK as it's the "flag carrier", it'll be something of a landmark occasion. I went up to LHR especially for the first ever visit of an A380 when a test aircraft landed. I remember all the A-Netters at the Green Man pub with their laptops racing to get the first photo on the web!

I'll do my best to be there when the first BA A380 lands at it's home base...   


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 136, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 42441 times:

MSN094 MH #5 has been delivered today.


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User currently offlinespeedygonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 729 posts, RR: 0
Reply 137, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 42323 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 127):
Is that really true? I mean they didn't do anything illegal there so an which basis would Airbus be able to threaten them?
Spotting movements in TLS and in XFW is not illegal, nor is it to take photos during the convoy when the fuselage parts pass this little village in France.

It might have been due to copyright issues as that blog was notorious for using Airbus' and other people's pictures without giving credit or obtaining permission.



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User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 138, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 42233 times:

Quoting Wolbo (Reply 111):
MSN094 (9M-MNE) was delivered today, the 5th for Malaysia Airlines and the 98th A380 in total.

Above was posted 7 Feb 2013.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 136):
MSN094 MH #5 has been delivered today.

Above was posted 22 Feb 2013. Which one is right? You haven't confused MSN094 with another, have you KarelXWB?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 139, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 42205 times:

Sorry, my mistake. MSN094 was delivered around February 7 but the delivery flight to KUL was today.


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User currently offlineKL5147 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 140, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 41761 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 139):
MSN094 was delivered around February 7 but the delivery flight to KUL was today

I saw a MH A380 at Finkenwerder Monday Feb 18th. She made one take off roll but did not get airborne. It then returned to the facility again. (I could not read the regi, nor the MSN #, but guess this was MSN 094)
There was also a CZ A380 on the ramp.
Tuesday 19th I saw the MH bird climb out and on Wednesday Feb 20, no A380's were seen at EDHI / XFW.



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User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1427 posts, RR: 2
Reply 141, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 41697 times:

Quoting KL5147 (Reply 140):
I saw a MH A380 at Finkenwerder Monday Feb 18th. She made one take off roll but did not get airborne. It then returned to the facility again. (I could not read the regi, nor the MSN #, but guess this was MSN 094)

You saw a rejected take of, it is a test. It could be the next MH MSN 114.

MSN 094 was at that time at the delivery centre in TLS.


User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 41712 times:

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 137):
It might have been due to copyright issues as that blog was notorious for using Airbus' and other people's pictures without giving credit or obtaining permission.

if Airbus contributed to the end of the blog, they were not wise. have you ever seen a band or a sports team trying to ban a fan club promoting them?


User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1427 posts, RR: 2
Reply 143, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 41711 times:

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 137):

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 127):
Is that really true? I mean they didn't do anything illegal there so an which basis would Airbus be able to threaten them?
Spotting movements in TLS and in XFW is not illegal, nor is it to take photos during the convoy when the fuselage parts pass this little village in France.

It might have been due to copyright issues as that blog was notorious for using Airbus' and other people's pictures without giving credit or obtaining permission.

I followed the blog and forum and posted a few times pictures and videos were usually by the guys themselves or it was a link.

If you would be right, than in comparison A-Net should be down a long time ago.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 144, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 41571 times:

Quoting KL5147 (Reply 140):
I saw a MH A380 at Finkenwerder Monday Feb 18th. She made one take off roll but did not get airborne. It then returned to the facility again. (I could not read the regi, nor the MSN #, but guess this was MSN 094)
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 141):
You saw a rejected take of, it is a test. It could be the next MH MSN 114.

   MSN114 performed a cabin flight test too.

Here is a nice video of MSN114's CFF: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FFnqdwNdP2M (uploaded by xfw-spotter).



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 145, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 41649 times:

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 142):
if Airbus contributed to the end of the blog, they were not wise. have you ever seen a band or a sports team trying to ban a fan club promoting them?
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 143):
I followed the blog and forum and posted a few times pictures and videos were usually by the guys themselves or it was a link.

If you would be right, than in comparison A-Net should be down a long time ago.

Airbus did not shut down the a380production blog, I believe the owner has found other interests. A new production forum has been created at http://doubledecker.boards.net/

Anyway, let's not go offtopic in this thread.



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User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1427 posts, RR: 2
Reply 146, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 41204 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 145):
Airbus did not shut down the a380production blog, I believe the owner has found other interests. A new production forum has been created at http://doubledecker.boards.net/

Thank you for that information.


User currently onlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 147, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 40409 times:

MSN132 (EK's 36th) has been transfered to XFW for outfitting

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 148, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 39447 times:

MSN138 EK 42th has been confirmed as the new frame carried on the latest convoy. 3 more frames to go and EK will have half of their A380 order.

11 frames for EK are now in various stages of assembly:

- MSN113 #32 rolled out in XFW
- MSN116 #33 cabin outfitting in XFW
- MSN119 #34 cabin outfitting in XFW
- MSN123 #35 cabin outfitting in XFW
- MSN132 #36 cabin outfitting in XFW
- MSN127 #37 undergoing final assembly in TLS
- MSN133 #38 undergoing final assembly in TLS
- MSN134 #39 undergoing final assembly in TLS
- MSN135 #40 undergoing final assembly in TLS
- MSN136 #41 undergoing body join in TLS
- MSN138 #42 awaiting body join in TLS



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 149, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 38905 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 124):
China Southern's firth and final (MSN120) was ferried down to TLS for preparation for delivery today

MSN120 is now wearing its final registration (B-6140):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/8512697035/in/photostream

This was the last CZ A380 on order.



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User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 150, posted (1 year 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 38420 times:

Is the boat still stuck on the sandbank outside Mostyn - when I took the kids to the beach last Sunday it was still there - it's got to be really hurting now if it's still out of action.

User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1427 posts, RR: 2
Reply 151, posted (1 year 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 38412 times:

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 150):
Is the boat still stuck on the sandbank outside Mostyn - when I took the kids to the beach last Sunday it was still there - it's got to be really hurting now if it's still out of action.

It was refloated on the 9th of February.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 152, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 37952 times:

Expected deliveries for the next months:

March
- MSN114 MH
- MSN122 TG

April
- MSN113 EK

May
- MSN116 EK
- MSN119 EK



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User currently offlinebycac From France, joined Mar 2010, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 37449 times:

Acceptance flight for MSN114 , to be delivered soon normaly.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bycac/8535967189/in/photostream


User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 37063 times:

Is MSN120 for China Southern the next delivery?, #99, if so when, and will that mean MSN114 for MH will be #100?

That will also mean the completion of both these airlines order books with 5 and 6 delivered respectively.


User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1427 posts, RR: 2
Reply 155, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 37019 times:

Quoting KennyK (Reply 154):
Is MSN120 for China Southern the next delivery?,

MSN 120 was delivered on the first of March.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 156, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 36676 times:

MSN115, #9 for AF finallay had its first flight at TLS today

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 157, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 35987 times:

MSN139 EK #43 has been confirmed as the new frame being carried on Convoy #10.


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User currently onliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2611 posts, RR: 1
Reply 158, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 35269 times:

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 151):
Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 150):
Is the boat still stuck on the sandbank outside Mostyn - when I took the kids to the beach last Sunday it was still there - it's got to be really hurting now if it's still out of action.

It was refloated on the 9th of February.

Interestingly, this ship was also the first carrying A400M wings from Filton. Due to the definitive closure of FZO by BAE, Airbus can no longer fly the Beluga there, so A400M wings will be sent by road to Royal Portbury dock, where they are loaded onto the ro-ro vessels. So apparently A380 and A400M wings will be sharing the ride from now on.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 159, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 34490 times:

MSN114 is now wearing its final registration which means the 100th A380 has been delivered.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/8552380250/in/photostream/



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4722 posts, RR: 39
Reply 160, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 34479 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 159):

MSN114 is now wearing its final registration which means the 100th A380 has been delivered.

Which is a milestone reached. Even if it was much more of a burden then expected, still congrats to all involved parties and persons are in place.     


User currently offlinehannahpa From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 161, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 33873 times:
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I know this has been discussed adnausium, but every time I see any information on the A380, I ask myself: When are they going to build the 380-900??? I just cant wait to see that bahemouth in the air, let alone get a chance to fly in it....

Please bear with me. I am like a kid in a candy store when it comes to this subject.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7468 posts, RR: 17
Reply 162, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 33487 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 131):
with the BA long haul fleet gradually expanding at what point does Cardiff run out of capacity ?

This may have already happened. For example 744 G-BNLI positioned to SIN on 13 January for heavy maintenance. It returned to LHR on 3 March. G-CIVC then positioned to SIN for maintenance the following day, 4 March.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 163, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 33383 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 162):
This may have already happened.

This is due to lack of hangar capacity at Heathrow as the second of two hangars are made A380 ready, hence a drop in capacity.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11348 posts, RR: 33
Reply 164, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 32444 times:

MSN140 EK #44 will be carried on convoy #11 (convoy will start tonight).

1 more frame to go and Airbus is half through the EK order of 90 A380s.



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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 165, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 31634 times:

Quoting hannahpa (Reply 161):
When are they going to build the 380-900???

This article reckons 2020 for launch: http://www.ausbt.com.au/supersizing-...1-000-seat-airbus-a380-due-by-2020

I guess that would mean EIS in the early to mid 2020s. Don't hold your breath, is I guess what I'm saying.


User currently offlinesf260 From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 166, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 31458 times:

I think Airbus can launch it as early as (Le Bourget) 2017 with EIS for 2020-22, with (slightly) updated engines for -800 and -900. Most of A350 and A320neo engineering should be finished (not that the -900 derivative requires that much work) and A380 production should be as streamlined as it can get by 2017.
Current order book dries up around 2018 and I see no airline in a hurry to order large quatities soon (except TK and some smaller follow-on orders). I can see some current A380 operators start thinking about A380 replacement by the end of this decade, and these will also be the most likely candidates for the -900.

The 'problem' is the current -800 is just 'too good' and has almost no competition, Airbus is not in a hurry to launch the -900 as it will only cannibalize -800 sales for the moment. Then there is also the current economic climate and production issues which are not helping either.


User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 823 posts, RR: 2
Reply 167, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 31169 times:

So which operators are interested in a -900?
Out of my head I can remember LH stating they have an interest, EK wouldn't be a hard guess and CX would in fact only order the bigger jet.
Is that it or were there more?



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User currently offlinesf260 From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 168, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 30938 times:

Off the top of my head, LH, AF, EK, CX, VS (fwiw) and SUH have all publicly stated they are interested in a larger variant. I can imagine other airlines like BA and SQ also showing interest in the -900 by the end of this decade, for EIS 2022-2025, as well as some Chinese carriers.

User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 169, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 30558 times:

QF could use a small number, particularly for SYD-LAX. Not sure about their LHR ops.

User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 170, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 29896 times:

A little overview of where we stand is due.
Prior to January 1, 2013 we had 97 deliveries. With the completion of Convoy 11 it looks like we can know what will be delivered in 2013 as there is a long long break befoe Convoy 12 starts, and the new frame will hardly make it this year.

In short, in the most optimistic scenario this year will see 25 deliveries (in comparison with 30 we saw in 2012). this is of course the consequence of the wing crack issue.

The change during this year should be:

EK 31+13=44
SQ 19-------19
QF 12--------12
LH 10--------10
AF 8+1=9
KE 6+2=8
MH 4+2=6 (both already delivered)
TG 3+3=6 (the first of those may be ferried to BKK before the weekend, already wearing HS-TUD reg.)
CZ 4+1=5 (already delivered)
BA 0+3=3

What to think of MSN 002, I just don't know.

Some people (who are likely to be in the know) write http://doubledecker.boards.net/thread/321/2014-deliveries that 4 EK frames may have deliveries shifted to 2014 because of wing fixes. Of course, in this case we will only get 21 deliveries this year and will thus reach 118 rather than 122.

It is highly likely that the next frame to be convoyed is MSN137, #1 Qatar which is the one with the permanent wing fix.

Good flights to everyone.


User currently offlinebycac From France, joined Mar 2010, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 171, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 29399 times:

BAW number 3 ! Normally RTO today but not seen...noramlly first flight tomorrow and after go to XFW !
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bycac/8578375834/in/photostream


User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 172, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 29027 times:

Sorry if this has been raised before...

The flow of A380 production throughout the year does not look very smooth:

Deliveries

***** Q Q Q Q
2009 0 3 3 4
2010 3 4 7 4
2011 3 7 6 9
2012 4 6 7 13
2013 4

Q1 2011 + Q1 2012 deliveries = 7
Q4 2011 + Q4 2012 deliveries = 22

Is this end of year target chasing? If so, what's the point - it looks like it just reduces the following year's Q1 figures. I imagine it would be more efficient for production to run more smoothly.


User currently offlineJValjean From Belgium, joined Mar 2013, 69 posts, RR: 1
Reply 173, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 28897 times:

Quoting art (Reply 172):
Is this end of year target chasing? If so, what's the point - it looks like it just reduces the following year's Q1 figures. I imagine it would be more efficient for production to run more smoothly.

Perhaps it might be a means of avoiding/minimizing significant financial penalties (i.e. penalties > potential savings derived from increased production efficiency) that would otherwise be due to customers if deliveries "slip" into a later quarter than has been contractually stipulated.


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 174, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 28851 times:

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 170):
In short, in the most optimistic scenario this year will see 25 deliveries (in comparison with 30 we saw in 2012). this is of course the consequence of the wing crack issue.

Interesting. So is there a realistic chance of reaching 3 per month in 2014?


User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 175, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 28862 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 169):
Some people (who are likely to be in the know) write http://doubledecker.boards.net/thread/321/2014-deliveries that 4 EK frames may have deliveries shifted to 2014 because of wing fixes. Of course, in this case we will only get 21 deliveries this year and will thus reach 118 rather than 122.

Emirates has stated that it will put 9 frames into operation during 2013, so your information of 10 frames delivered to EK in 2013 is likely correct as frame #10 will more than likely be put into operation on 01JAN14.


User currently onlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 176, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 28720 times:

MSN128, KE's #8, was transfered to outfitting in XFW earlier this week

User currently offlinebycac From France, joined Mar 2010, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 177, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 28915 times:

HS-TUD was delivered this morning THA8945 !