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A380 Production Thread Part 13  
User currently offlineSA7700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
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User currently offlinetrent1000 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 67257 times:

KarelXWB reply 252 thread part 12:

MSN108 EK #27 rolled out at XFW
- MSN110 EK #29 undergoing customer flights, delivery rumoured for November 30
- MSN111 EK #30 rolled out at XFW
- MSN112 EK #31 inside the paint shop, roll out is eminent

What about MSN109? Is that #28 for EK? What stage is it at?

Thanks!

User currently offlinespeedygonzales From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 67244 times:

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 1):

What about MSN109? Is that #28 for EK? What stage is it at?

Delivered 09.11. according to the Hamburg spotters:
http://www.aviation-community.de/for...c.php?f=16&t=4110&p=110248#p110242

User currently offlinePM From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 67225 times:

I'm sure it has been asked before but I haven't seen the answer. Why no MSN97?

User currently onlineStitch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 67236 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 3):
I'm sure it has been asked before but I haven't seen the answer. Why no MSN97?

The A380 Production List site doesn't have any information, but I wonder if it was assigned to one of the freighters? Or from a customer that cancelled a passenger plane.

User currently onlineAF Cabin Crew From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 months 22 hours ago) and read 67230 times:

When is MSN93 Thai Airways HS-TUB supposed to the delivered and flown to Bangkok ?

User currently offlinePM From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 months 21 hours ago) and read 67226 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
I wonder if it was assigned to one of the freighters? Or from a customer that cancelled a passenger plane.

Must be something like that. I'd be curious to know.

User currently offlinefrancoflier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 months 16 hours ago) and read 67227 times:

I thought I'd ask on here:

What was an apparently unfinished A380 doing in Dresden in September?


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Is that a normal stopover during the production/fitting process?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 months 16 hours ago) and read 67230 times:

The A380 is Dresden is MSN5001, the fatigue test airframe.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/0690350/L/

User currently offlinefrancoflier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 months 15 hours ago) and read 67215 times:

Oh, right. Forgot about that one. Thanks.

Though I didn't know they would keep the rig up that long after certification.

User currently offlinetak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 months 14 hours ago) and read 67219 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 7):
What was an apparently unfinished A380 doing in Dresden in September?

Wondering if you selected the wrong picture? That is not an A380...

User currently offlineZKOKQ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 months 14 hours ago) and read 67220 times:

Quoting tak (Reply 10):
Wondering if you selected the wrong picture? That is not an A380...

Check out the back ground.

User currently offlinefrancoflier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 months 14 hours ago) and read 67222 times:

I guess I should have said it's hidden behind the scarred A300 walking out of surgery...

User currently offlinetak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 months 14 hours ago) and read 67222 times:

@ francoflier, My apologies    , I did not look carefully...

User currently offlineSomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 months 13 hours ago) and read 67215 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 9):
Though I didn't know they would keep the rig up that long after certification

Because it's the fatigue aircraft testing, which continues long after the certification is done

User currently offlineEPA001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 67221 times:
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Soon some new versions of the A380 will be produced offering different weight variants:

From: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ewest-a380-weight-variants-379235/

Three additional weight variants - designated WV006, WV007 and WV008 - have been included in a revision of the airframer's technical information. WV008 at 575 tons is now the highest weight variant to be offered to customers.  

User currently onlineStitch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 67225 times:
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Quoting EPA001 (Reply 15):
Three additional weight variants - designated WV006, WV007 and WV008 - have been included in a revision of the airframer's technical information.

As I expected, WV006 is the 573t MTOW variant.

WV007 looks to be for high-density regional missions as it has the lowest MTOW (492t) and ties for the highest MZFW (395t).

The 575t WV008 equals the RTO test with 16 main braking units, so to go any higher they will need to add the final four, which would then support TOWs of upwards of 625t.

User currently offlineSomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 66927 times:

MSN124, BA's #3, is confirmed as the aircraft on convoy 27,

User currently offlineWolbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 66847 times:

When will the modified wing with the final fix for the crack issue go into production?

User currently offlineswallow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 66243 times:

Quoting Wolbo (Reply 18):
When will the modified wing with the final fix for the crack issue go into production?

TC expects the new wing in Jan 2014, but the fix has not yet been certified by EASA. The permanent fix will restore the 380 to its full lifecycle of 90,000 hours.

Clark points out that it is key for Airbus to receive European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) certification for the new design soon. “If you are coming up with a new wing in Jan. 14, you are not far away from production start.

I'd expect production to commence later this year.

EK #45 will be the first one delivered with the new wings.


http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_11_19_2012_p0-519054.xml

User currently offlineSomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 66021 times:

MSN113, EK's #32' had its first flight today, which also was the transfer flight to XFW for outfitting

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 65784 times:

TG has taken delivery of MSN093, their second frame.

Next up:

- MSN096 KE #6 at TLS delivery centre
- MSN100 TG #3 rolled out at XFW
- MSN108 EK #27 rolled out at XFW
- MSN110 EK #29 undergoing customer flights, delivery rumoured for November 30
- MSN111 EK #30 rolled out at XFW
- MSN112 EK #31 rolled out at XFW, rejected take-off test today

[Edited 2012-11-26 10:53:51]

User currently offlineSomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 65051 times:

MSN094, MH's 5th, rolled out from outfitting yesterday. Apperently in full livery. Took 11 weeks, which is the fastest frame so far

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 21):
TG has taken delivery of MSN093, their second frame

Delivery flight was yesterday

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 21):
MSN110 EK #29 undergoing customer flights, delivery rumoured for November 30

Seems to be leaving for DXB today, unless there has been some last minutes changes

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 64578 times:

MSN110 delivery flight http://fr24.com/UAE7380

Airbus delivered 3 A380 aircraft in November:

MSN093 TG #2
MSN109 EK #28
MSN110 EK #29

Status of the 5 remaining frames for this year:

- MSN096 KE #6 at TLS delivery centre
- MSN100 TG #3 at TLS delivery centre
- MSN108 EK #27 rolled out at XFW
- MSN111 EK #30 rolled out at XFW
- MSN112 EK #31 flying from XFW

[Edited 2012-11-30 13:15:46]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 63892 times:

Update, Airbus delivered MSN096 KE #6 and MSN108 EK #27 is now flying.

26 deliveries for the current year and 4 to go:

- MSN100 TG #3 at TLS delivery centre
- MSN108 EK #27 flying from XFW
- MSN111 EK #30 rolled out at XFW
- MSN112 EK #31 flying from XFW

[Edited 2012-12-04 07:17:11]

User currently onlineStitch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 25, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 64396 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
26 deliveries for the current year

Which matches 2011's delivery rate.   

User currently offlineFocker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 26, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 64454 times:

Airbus' CEO Bregier confirms in a Reuters interview that the delivery target for 2013 is less than 30.

Quote:

Airbus expects to meet a target of delivering 30 superjumbos in 2012 as it catches up from a slowdown caused by the flaws in several components on each wing. Next year, deliveries could slip below 30 before exceeding that level in 2014, Bregier said. Airbus is sticking to a breakeven goal for the A380 by 2015.

Source:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...rbus-bregier-idUSBRE8B21AE20121203

User currently offlineN14AZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 27, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 65389 times:

Quoting Focker (Reply 26):
Airbus' CEO Bregier confirms in a Reuters interview that the delivery target for 2013 is less than 30.

Less? Spontaneously I thought you mixed up "less" with "more than" but it's actually true. The reason might be that during summer 2012 there was a long period of time (some weeks if not months) when they had stopped the wings production and when they didn't deliver any wings to TLS and the final assembly line was almost empty. This had no affect on the 2012-production but on the 2013-production.

Some weeks ago I found a report about Airbus' supplier for the hatracks (Diehl) and they said that in 2013 they will deliver sets for 32 A 380s to XFW. However, this doesn't mean that Airbus will deliver 32 A 380s in 2013 because the sets delivered at the end of 2013 will be for 2014-deliveries.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 28, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 65346 times:

Precisely. All 2012 frames were already in FAL when Airbus slowed down the convoys.

User currently offliner2rho From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 29, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 64849 times:

Interesting news on airliners.de: EFW, in charge of A300 (and future A330) freighter conversions at DRS, is bidding for A380 wing repair work. It is rumored that they could perform wing repairs of 9 EK A380's in 2013.

http://www.airliners.de/technik/mro/efw-will-a380-reparieren/28625

This would help offload the FAL by creating additional capacity for wing work. Looks like a pretty good arrangement to me if it goes forward.

User currently offlinesomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 30, posted (5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 64055 times:

Msn 133, another one for EK, is confirmed being on convoy 28/2012.

Btw: anyone know what happened to the forum at A380production?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 31, posted (5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 64062 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 30):
Btw: anyone know what happened to the forum at A380production?
http://www.facebook.com/a380production/posts/10151201030419825

User currently offlineSomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 32, posted (5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 63153 times:

MSN126, KE #7, har rolled out from the FAL in TLS. Used 11 weeks, which is the fastest KE frame so far

Deliveries for the next ones for EK, 108, 111 and 112 should be imminent and some of them is supposed to have had their customer acceptance flight. The same applies to MSN100, TG's #3

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 33, posted (5 months 6 hours ago) and read 62118 times:

Update:

- MSN108 A6-EEA delivery flight http://fr24.com/UAE7380
- MSN100 HS-TUC is now wearing its final registration http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/8287475930/

28 deliveries for 2012 so far, 2 to go (MSN111 & MSN112).

User currently offlineSomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 34, posted (4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 61590 times:

MSN116, EK's #33, was transfered to XFW for outfitting earlier this week

User currently offlineSomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 35, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 60522 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 33):
Update:
- MSN100 HS-TUC is now wearing its final registration http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/8287475930/

Delivery flight to BKK 20/12

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 36, posted (4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 59636 times:

The delivery flight of MSN112, the 30th whalejet for EK, is scheduled for today.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 37, posted (4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 58928 times:

MSN111 EK #31 delivery confirmed for today.

User currently offlineindia1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 38, posted (4 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 58793 times:
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Target met, 30th for the year delivered, as confirmed by Airbus -

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...very-target-as-new-orders-lag.html

User currently offlineRickNRoll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 39, posted (4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 58642 times:

From that article

"....concern a component in the aircraft’s wing is prone to cracking. Regulators are expected to approve a fix to the wing flaw early next year."

There isn't concern that a component is prone to cracking, it's a fact it's prone to cracking, and there is a manufacturing fix that has been developed for it. It would probably be in production already except that there is the approval process that has to be followed. For wings manufactured with the fault, the fix is being applied after the plane has finished manufacturing, or later at the buyers convenience.

User currently offlineN14AZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 40, posted (4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 58411 times:

@ RicknRoll: I noticed the same section in that article. It's actually bad news. Airbus was hoping to get the approval at the end of this year. So I suppose they still have to build the wings acc. to the old design, meaning that with every month delay of the approval they have to repair two additional airframes (unless they stop the wing production again), correct?

Anyhow, congratulation for delivering 30 A 380s in 2012.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 41, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 58107 times:

Approval for the wing fix is on track for January 2013.

User currently offlineEPA001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 42, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 57656 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 41):
Approval for the wing fix is on track for January 2013.

That is good news.  

User currently offlineN14AZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 43, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 56804 times:

Happy new year to all a-netters!

Sorry if this has been posted before but I don't think I have seen this here before.
Airbus is extending their A 380 facilities in XFW. See this picture: http://v2.airplaneupload.de/display-i7032bjp8xq.html
Source: http://www.aviation-friends-hamburg-forum.de/showthread.php?tid=6547

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 44, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 56775 times:

Yes, Airbus is building 2 new hangars for cabin outfitting. This is part of the production ramp-up plans.

User currently offlinelightsaber From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 45, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 56654 times:
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Quoting india1 (Reply 38):

Target met, 30th for the year delivered, as confirmed by Airbus -

Excellent. What is the target for 2013 after wing crack delays?

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
Yes, Airbus is building 2 new hangars for cabin outfitting. This is part of the production ramp-up plans.


Good to hear. That should allow for an increase in production.

Lightsaber

User currently offlineEPA001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 46, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 56446 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):

Yes, Airbus is building 2 new hangars for cabin outfitting

So the pressure on the cabin outfitting process can be better handled? This means no flights to Hamburg for the A380's which will be outfitted here in Toulouse?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 47, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 56434 times:

No, that picture was taken at Hamburg (XFW). They are building 2 new hangars at XFW.

User currently offlineferpe From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 48, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 56451 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 45):
Excellent. What is the target for 2013 after wing crack delays?

On 3rd Dec at EADS GIF 2012 Bregier stated A will deliver 60 A380 over 2013-2014, slightly less 2013 as the production wing fix gets implemented and slightly more 2014. What slightly is he did not define. Another interesting point was that he maintained the 380 will become production cost positive by 2015 despite wing problems, A has made quite some progress on 380 costs (I listened to his talk to get 350 info and also caught this).

User currently offlineEPA001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 49, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 56139 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
No, that picture was taken at Hamburg (XFW)

Thanks for correcting my mistake. I somehow had read Toulouse where it should have been Hamburg of course.

User currently offlinekanban From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 50, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 56006 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
Yes, Airbus is building 2 new hangars for cabin outfitting.

Well it them long enough to figure out where the problem was.. must have been reading A.net...      

User currently offlineSomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 51, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 55565 times:

MSN119, EK's 34th, had its first flight and transfer to XFW for outfitting today. In addition MSN125, TG's 5th, was confirmed as being on convoy 01/2013

User currently offlinebongodog1964 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 52, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 55717 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 50):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
Yes, Airbus is building 2 new hangars for cabin outfitting.

Well it them long enough to figure out where the problem was.. must have been reading A.net...

In my very humble opinion, rather than a lack of hangar space the problem appears to be that outfitting just takes far too long.

User currently offlineHeavierthanair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 53, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 55606 times:

G'day

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 51):
MSN119, EK's 34th, had its first flight and transfer to XFW for outfitting today

Presumably that's the one on its way to XFW at 43000 ft doing 500 kts  http://www.flightradar24.com/AIB01SY/view


Cheers

Peter

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 54, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 55539 times:

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 53):
Presumably that's the one on its way to XFW at 43000 ft doing 500 kts

Correct.

User currently offlinekanban From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 55, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 55266 times:
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Quoting bongodog1964 (Reply 52):
In my very humble opinion, rather than a lack of hangar space the problem appears to be that outfitting just takes far too long.

I perhaps jumped the gun.. since outfitting is the bottleneck, I reasoned that the new building would support outfitting with more work space.. however you may be correct ...

User currently onlineStitch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 56, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 55249 times:
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Having additional outfitting stations would allow Airbus to have more A380s in outfitting at the same time, so it should result in more A380s delivered per year, even if the outfitting time per A380 remains high.

User currently offlinebongodog1964 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 57, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 55245 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 56):
Having additional outfitting stations would allow Airbus to have more A380s in outfitting at the same time, so it should result in more A380s delivered per year, even if the outfitting time per A380 remains high.
Quoting kanban (Reply 55):
I perhaps jumped the gun.. since outfitting is the bottleneck, I reasoned that the new building would support outfitting with more work space.. however you may be correct ...

I'm sure that extra work space will allow faster deliveries, it is however a classic case of curing a problem by throwing money at it.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 58, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 55127 times:

The plan is to ramp up the production rate to 3 frames a month somewhere in 2014. That means we should see about 36 deliveries in 2015. The FAL at TLS has already the capacity to produce about 40 frames a year, but XFW hasn't. The 2 new outfit hangers currently being constructed at XFW must help Airbus to reach that target of 3 frames a month.

The outfitting process is also accelerating. For example, MSN094 MH #5 rolled out after 11 weeks in XFW, the fastest outfitting job ever.

User currently offlineEPA001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 59, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 54907 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 58):
The outfitting process is also accelerating. For example, MSN094 MH #5 rolled out after 11 weeks in XFW, the fastest outfitting job ever.

That is good news. They still seem to make progress in that department, which is a very good thing for the A380-program.

User currently offlinethegeek From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 60, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 54907 times:

Quoting bongodog1964 (Reply 57):
I'm sure that extra work space will allow faster deliveries, it is however a classic case of curing a problem by throwing money at it.

Might still be an appropriate solution. They haven't been able to solve the problem of A380s taking too long outfitting yet so it's fair enough that they would increase capacity.

User currently offliner2rho From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 61, posted (4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 54596 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 40):
congratulation for delivering 30 A 380s in 2012.

   Hitting the target and achieving a slight ramp-up respect to 2011 (26 deliveries) despite all the wing problems is definitely good news.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 40):
with every month delay of the approval they have to repair two additional airframes (unless they stop the wing production again), correct?

I see it that way too. But if the approval indeed comes this month the impact will be minimal.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 45):
What is the target for 2013 after wing crack delays?
Quoting ferpe (Reply 48):
On 3rd Dec at EADS GIF 2012 Bregier stated A will deliver 60 A380 over 2013-2014,
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 58):
The plan is to ramp up the production rate to 3 frames a month somewhere in 2014. That means we should see about 36 deliveries in 2015.

That's not very encouraging...    I hope there's a mistake in that info as it would mean an average of only 30 frames/year in 2013-14, a flat production rate. I would have expected more than that after the final wing solution is approved, with a ramp-up to 3 per month sometime in 2013.

I believe the current backlog and neverending uncertainties over production and delivery rates are holding potential A380 customers back. Achieving a stable and sustained 3/month rate sooner rather than later is essential to winning new customers IMO.

User currently offlineHeavierthanair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 62, posted (4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 54489 times:

G'day

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
Yes, Airbus is building 2 new hangars for cabin outfitting. This is part of the production ramp-up plans.
Quoting Stitch (Reply 56):
Having additional outfitting stations would allow Airbus to have more A380s in outfitting at the same time, so it should result in more A380s delivered per year, even if the outfitting time per A380 remains high.
Quoting ferpe (Reply 48):
On 3rd Dec at EADS GIF 2012 Bregier stated A will deliver 60 A380 over 2013-2014, slightly less 2013 as the production wing fix gets implemented and slightly more 2014

So if they were maintaining present production rates as per Bregier's quote why would they build these additional hangars. Or have plans changed since they started building these additional hangars? Or else will the additional hangarage be used for the wing fixes? The 100+ airframes requiring these fixes will have to be parked somewhere indoors while the modifications are done, there are not that many suitable hangars available. Question is when will these additional hangars be completed and when is the modified hardware becoming available to actually do the fixes? After the fixes are done on the airframes that are handled by Airbus itself the hangars could be used for production increases in say 2015?

Lots of assumptions I know, but there are not too many answers out there - for A-nutters anyway   

Cheers

Peter

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Reply 63, posted (4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 54167 times:
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Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 62):
Or else will the additional hangarage be used for the wing fixes?

These new hangars will not be used for wing fixes. Right now it takes so long to install the cabin on an A380 that Airbus has a backlog of completed airframes parked waiting for an open cabin outfitting position at XFW. By adding these two additional stations, Airbus can work on more A380s concurrently. So instead of being able to outfit two (?) A380s every three-four months, they can now outfit four (?).

User currently offlineSomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 64, posted (4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 53819 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 63):
So instead of being able to outfit two (?) A380s every three-four months, they can now outfit four (?).

AFAIK they'll go from six to eight outfittings stations, thus increasing capacity by 33%

User currently offlineN14AZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 65, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 53591 times:

@Someone83 / Stich: that's correct. Before, they had:
6 outfitting hangars
2 painting hangars
2 flightline hangars

Didn't Airbus' management analyse plans to allocate outfitting works to TLS? Well, the answer to who has won this fight is shown in the picture linked above and consists of steel beams and sandwich panels  

User currently offlineKennyK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 66, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 53264 times:

Does anyone know roughly what the 30 or so deliveries will be this year?

I know BA will be a new customer this year, Qatar was to have been but this has slipped to 2014 due to the wing crack issue and Malaysian and China Southern should have their orders completed this year.

User currently offlineRuscoe From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 67, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 53115 times:

Quoting Wolbo (Reply 18):
When will the modified wing with the final fix for the crack issue go into production?

Any further news or information on this?

Ruscoe

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 68, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 53126 times:

Quoting KennyK (Reply 66):
Does anyone know roughly what the 30 or so deliveries will be this year?

Not yet, it's too soon. So far Airbus has already 19 frames to be delivered this year:

- MSN002 private
- MSN094 MH #5
- MSN095 BA #1
- MSN113 EK #32
- MSN114 MH #6
- MSN115 AF #9
- MSN116 EK #33
- MSN119 EK #34
- MSN120 CZ #5
- MSN121 BA #2
- MSN122 TG #4
- MSN123 EK #35
- MSN124 BA #3
- MSN125 TG #5
- MSN126 KE #7
- MSN127 EK #36
- MSN128 KE #8
- MSN132 EK #37
- MSN133 EK #38

We should see more convoys for EK (MSN134, MSN135 and MSN136) and TH (MSN131) but for the moment I have no idea of the rest.

User currently offlineAviaponcho From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 69, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 52840 times:

Thank you very much KarelXWB
Only one new operator for the A380 in 2013 ? British Airways ?


Have a good day

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 70, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 52881 times:

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 69):
Only one new operator for the A380 in 2013 ? British Airways ?

Correct. 2014 will be more exciting with 4 new operators: Qatar, Asiana, Skymark and Etihad. Maybe a fifth if Air Austral will continue with the A380.

User currently offlineEPA001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 71, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 52825 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 70):
2014 will be more exciting with 4 new operators: Qatar, Asiana, Skymark and Etihad. Maybe a fifth if Air Austral will continue with the A380.

That could have an impact on the cabin outfitting times. It will be interesting to watch how far Airbus has developed that process with so many new customers for the A380. The extra outfitting facilities at XFW will be very useful then.  

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 72, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 52805 times:

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 67):
Any further news or information on this?

The final wing fix should be approved this month. There is an approximately 10-month lead-time on the wing, so we should see the first frames with the final fix in Q4 2013.

User currently offlineAviaponcho From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 73, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 52765 times:

Ok
So 2013 the focus is the wings...
2014 is back to business as usual but with a lot of new operators...

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 74, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 52769 times:

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 73):
So 2013 the focus is the wings...

  

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 73):
2014 is back to business as usual but with a lot of new operators...

   And ramping up the production to 3 frames a month.

User currently offlinethegeek From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 75, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 52367 times:

I make it that the backlog will theoretically be delivered mid-2020. Perhaps a bit earlier with cancellations to come such as IT. I'd think a higher production rate than 3/mth would be something they should be seeking, although I guess that depends on whether they can sell enough further frames.

User currently offlineBigJKU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 76, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 52232 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 48):

On 3rd Dec at EADS GIF 2012 Bregier stated A will deliver 60 A380 over 2013-2014, slightly less 2013 as the production wing fix gets implemented and slightly more 2014. What slightly is he did not define. Another interesting point was that he maintained the 380 will become production cost positive by 2015 despite wing problems, A has made quite some progress on 380 costs (I listened to his talk to get 350 info and also caught this).

Doing the math on this they will have delivered around 60% of the program before they are building a plane not for a cash loss on each individual unit? If R&D is 11 billion Euro's that would mean that, without interest, you need to make roughly 100 million Euro's in profit on everything left in the order book to recoup development cost? I have to think them putting more money into the outfitting side means more orders are coming because I can't see investing any more cash in the program at this point without substantially more orders coming in.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 75):
I make it that the backlog will theoretically be delivered mid-2020. Perhaps a bit earlier with cancellations to come such as IT. I'd think a higher production rate than 3/mth would be something they should be seeking, although I guess that depends on whether they can sell enough further frames.

I would think you would have to see program launch of the A389 relatively soon. At the pace they are proposing Airbus is sitting on a 4-5 year backlog as of today and you have to figure the 900 would take a couple of years to put together, you would not want a production gap. Unless they slowed down production they would be looking at being done in the 2018ish time frame. That means they need the orders or they have to slow the line down to keep it operating which does not sound appealing I would not think.

User currently offlinethegeek From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 77, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 52677 times:

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 76):
Airbus is sitting on a 4-5 year backlog as of today

Oops, must have miscalculated!

Theoretical backlog = 165
2013 expected production = 30
2014 onwards expected production = 36/year

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 76):
slow the line down to keep it operating which does not sound appealing

Certainly agree with this. But the A380 has seen steady orders, as well as a mediocre production ramp up, which have kept the backlog long. Who's to say that people won't keep ordering it?

[Edited 2013-01-06 00:08:37]

User currently offlineBA0197 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 78, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 52675 times:

What is the delivery date of the BA plane?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 79, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 52502 times:

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 76):
Doing the math on this they will have delivered around 60% of the program before they are building a plane not for a cash loss on each individual unit? If R&D is 11 billion Euro's that would mean that, without interest, you need to make roughly 100 million Euro's in profit on everything left in the order book to recoup development cost? I have to think them putting more money into the outfitting side means more orders are coming because I can't see investing any more cash in the program at this point without substantially more orders coming in.

Forget the R&D costs. Sometimes you have to invest to ensure your future. I see the A380 R&D costs as an investement for an aircraft that will generate a positive cash flow.

Quote:
I would think you would have to see program launch of the A389 relatively soon. At the pace they are proposing Airbus is sitting on a 4-5 year backlog as of today and you have to figure the 900 would take a couple of years to put together, you would not want a production gap. Unless they slowed down production they would be looking at being done in the 2018ish time frame. That means they need the orders or they have to slow the line down to keep it operating which does not sound appealing I would not think.

I don't see the A389 coming before the 777X. But the big airplane itself is not the problem, the weak VLA market is currently the problem. Both Boeing and Airbus believe that they will sell more VLA aircraft again from 2014 and beyond.

[Edited 2013-01-06 01:55:32]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 80, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 52582 times:

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 78):
What is the delivery date of the BA plane?

The first BA A380 is scheduled to arrive at LHR in July.

User currently offlineUnited885 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 81, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 52497 times:

What about the IT A380´s?
Are they still scheduled for 2016? Or is the order canceled after the bancrupt of IT?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 82, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 52314 times:

The IT A380 order has not been officially canceled yet, but I'm pretty sure we will never see an A380 in IT livery.

User currently offlineSomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 83, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 51633 times:

BA's #2, MSN121, has rolled out from FAL in TLS, after 13 weeks.

In XFW, the 6th and final aircraft for MH seems to have finished outfitting and are know waiting to be painted

User currently offlinescouseflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 84, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 51491 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 83):
In XFW, the 6th and final aircraft for MH seems to have finished outfitting and are know waiting to be painted

As I always do, I wonder if they'll order a top-up on delivery of the final one. I'm guessing probably not but it was perceived wisdon that MH didn't really need the A380 in the first place so they're doing ok getting their full order in

User currently offlineSomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 85, posted (4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 50714 times:

MSN131, TG's 6th and final A380, is being shipped on convoy 2/2013, arriving in TLS this week

User currently offlineN14AZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 86, posted (4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 50308 times:

I just read some new information about the wing fix issue on a German aviation forum and I thought it would be worth sharing it here:

Airbus is currently applying the final fix on MSN 095, BA #1.

Either they have the approval for the final fix, which was expected to be issued at the end of 2012 / beginning of 2013, or maybe kind of an exception to apply the final fix on an airframe currently in production (not an expert in that respect).

That's actually good news: before it was common understanding that only airframes convoyed to TLS after approval of the final fix would be delivered without any necessary repair works later on because only these airframes would have the wings built on the basis of the final fix.

The word is also that there is an "interim fix", which has been approved and which is sufficient until the middle of the life cycle of the airframe, where the most comprehensive check has to be done anyway and during which the final fix can be made.

User currently offlinekanban From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 87, posted (4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 50227 times:
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Quoting N14AZ (Reply 86):
Airbus is currently applying the final fix on MSN 095, BA #1.

so will regulatory want to see some actual testing on this plane prior to delivery?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 88, posted (4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 49978 times:

Airbus said that the wing fix won't be available until October 2013 because there is a lead time of 10 months on the wing. So I'm wondering how MSN095 can have it already.

Quote:
The word is also that there is an "interim fix", which has been approved and which is sufficient until the middle of the life cycle of the airframe, where the most comprehensive check has to be done anyway and during which the final fix can be made.

Airbus has an interim fix since several months now, some EK frames already have it installed.

[Edited 2013-01-10 15:27:28]

User currently offlineWingedMigrator From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 89, posted (4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 49539 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 88):
I'm wondering how MSN095 can have it already

It's a repair (restoring the item to its intended function and performance, although it will not conform to the baseline engineering drawings), as opposed to rework to the new wing standard (bringing the item into full conformance with the new baseline engineering drawings)

User currently offlineN14AZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 90, posted (4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 49279 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 88):
Airbus said that the wing fix won't be available until October 2013 because there is a lead time of 10 months on the wing. So I'm wondering how MSN095 can have it already.

Because they are installing it right now retroactively in Finkenwerder, in parallel to the outfitting works

The statement of Airbus you are refering to refers to the "normal" production where they will apply the final fix now in the production of the wings and considering the lead time of roughly one year, deliveries starting from early 2014 will not require any interim or final fix (assuming no new issue will pop up...).

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 88):
Airbus has an interim fix since several months now

I know this, of course. What was new, well, at least to me, that the interim fix lasts that long. Don't remember the previous figure but IIRC it was considerably less.

Quoting kanban (Reply 87):
so will regulatory want to see some actual testing on this plane prior to delivery?

Honestly, I have no clue. Maybe someone else knows the answer to that question.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 91, posted (4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 49230 times:

Off course, there is a difference between the frames currently in production and the wing production. Thanks for clearing that up.

Last December Airbus said that the fix would be certified in January 2013 so it's possible. We will probably hear more about it on January 17th. Now Qatar should advance their first delivery back to 2013  

User currently offlineA388 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 92, posted (4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 49247 times:

Hey guys,

My apologies if this has been asked before (as I haven't followed the A380 production thread in a long time) but which new A380 operator is the next to be rolled out of the factory? Qatar Airways, Vietnam Airlines, Etihad Airways, Asiana, Skymark? Am I missing other airlines who have ordered the A380 and who still need to receive their first A380?

Also, what's the status on Hong Kong Airlines, South African Airways, Iberia and their interest in the A380? Do they (still) have an interest in the A380?

A388

User currently offlineFocker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 93, posted (4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 49141 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 92):
My apologies if this has been asked before (as I haven't followed the A380 production thread in a long time) but which new A380 operator is the next to be rolled out of the factory? Qatar Airways, Vietnam Airlines, Etihad Airways, Asiana, Skymark? Am I missing other airlines who have ordered the A380 and who still need to receive their first A380?

BA mid of 2013 followed by QR early 2014 if I am not mistaken.

User currently offlineN14AZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 94, posted (4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 48375 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 92):
Vietnam Airlines

They never ordered the A 380. It was just a MoU. At that time we were joking that it would be a good moment to invest in companies active in producing dark-blue paint. Let's hope nobody took this seriously....

Finally, they are painting the MH A 380s in full colours in XFW. In particular, I love this picture.
http://v2.airplaneupload.de/images-i7351bsivay.jpg
Looks a little bit like Safari Airways (for those who remember this airline...)

Source: http://www.aviation-community.de/for...viewtopic.php?f=8&p=113155#p113155

User currently offlineLH422 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 95, posted (4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 47870 times:

So many planes delivered and still not a single special livery in sight. I'm not even comparing it to the 787. Every other widebody must have a higher ratio of special liveries per frame delivered (i.e., more than 1%). We don't even have a plane in an alliance scheme yet. Why is that so?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 96, posted (4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 47641 times:

MSN089 MH #4 will probably get an oneworld livery next month.

User currently offlineba319-131 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 97, posted (4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 47353 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 96):
MSN089 MH #4 will probably get an oneworld livery next month.

- Now that would be nice to see.

User currently offlineLH422 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 98, posted (4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 47217 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 96):
MSN089 MH #4 will probably get an oneworld livery next month.

Ah, finally! Would have preferred something like Wunala Dreaming, but it's a start.  

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 99, posted (4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 46617 times:

From http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...ands-defis-d-airbus-pour-2013.html

"The manufacturer must be submitted first to the successful implementation of the technical solution to the microcracks - it has been validated - in order to deliver aircraft smoothly in 2014. The first wing with all aluminum ribs started on the site UK Broughton mid-December for a unit of Qatar Airways."

User currently offlineSomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 100, posted (3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 45796 times:

MSN134, EK's #39, is being confirmed on convoy 3/2013. Arriving in TLS this week

User currently offlineA388 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 101, posted (3 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 45649 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 94):
They never ordered the A 380. It was just a MoU.

Thanks I thought the VN A380 order was finalized/confirmed. Guess not...

A388

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 102, posted (3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 46364 times:

Back in 2009 Vietnam Airlines is/was interested in the A380 but they couldn't firm the order because 1) they have no suitable airport for the whalejet 2) the A380 performance was not good enough and 3) there were some issues with the FAA standarts too.

Now with the 2013 facts:

1) The newLong Thanh International Airport should support the A380 but won't be ready until 2020 at least. Construction has yet to start.
2) The new 2013 improved A380 should do the job.
3) Those issues should be fixed by now.

The number of air passengers in Vietnam's airports will reach 82 million by 2020 so the A380 might work for them, but don't expect a firm order before 2018 or so. An A380 order depends on the new airport.

[Edited 2013-01-22 06:13:54]

User currently offlineSomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 103, posted (3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 45553 times:

Some movements in TLS:
MSN127, KE's 7th, had its first flight. Stayed in TLS and didn't transfer to XFE
MSN125, TG's 5th, seems to have gone from body join to FAL1
MSN132, EK's 37th, has rolled out from FAL after 11 weeks

User currently offlineart From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 104, posted (3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 44504 times:

Airbus say that 2013 production rates will remain the same:

A320 - 42pm
A330 - 10pm
A380 - 3pm

The A380 production rate of three aircraft per month will not increase in 2013 as the manufacturer deals with the wing crack issue and weak demand for very large aircraft (VLA).

“But we have enough flexibility in the A380 system and we can increase production any time if necessary,” - Airbus COO Guenter Butschek.

To me it sounds like he is saying that Airbus is currently able to build and outfit 33 A380's a year and could increase that rate fairly easily. Have they found a way to accelerate outfitting, I wonder?

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...30-a380-production-rates-year-0125

User currently offlinesomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 105, posted (3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 43613 times:

Yesterday MSN126, KE's #7, was transfered to XFW for outfitting, while MSN094, MH's #5, went the opposite way and is now in TLS for final preparations before delivery

User currently offliner2rho From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 106, posted (3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 43639 times:

Quoting art (Reply 104):
it sounds like he is saying that Airbus is currently able to build and outfit 33 A380's a year and could increase that rate fairly easily. Have they found a way to accelerate outfitting, I wonder?

As mentioned above, 2 new outfitting hangars are being built at XFW. So while the total outfitting time may not be significantly reduced, there will be more capacity to outfit more a/c at the same time, thus giving more ramp-up flexibility. But indeed it seems that at least for 2013 things will stay as they are in terms of production rates and deliveries, to our disappointment :-/

User currently offlineart From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 107, posted (3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 43252 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 106):
But indeed it seems that at least for 2013 things will stay as they are in terms of production rates and deliveries, to our disappointment

It takes nearly a year from convoy of parts to delivery IIRC. That means an average of about 3 complete frames convoyed each month in 2013 to achieve 3 deliveries per month in 2014. It will be interesting to see what the convoy rate is in the next few months.

User currently offlinesomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 108, posted (3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 42256 times:

MSN136, EK's 40th, is being confirmed on convoy 4/2013.

MSN114, the sixth and last to MH, has finished outfitting in XFW, while MSN121, BA's 2nd, has done its RTO in TLS and should soon transfer to XFW for outfitting

User currently offlinePW100 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 109, posted (3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 41499 times:

Seems Airbus has a little wing-transportation snag . . . :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-21305011

User currently offlinespeedygonzales From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 110, posted (3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 41223 times:

Subsection assembly for Asisna's first, MSN 152, has started in Hamburg.
http://www.aviation-community.de/forum-nord/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=10450

User currently offlineWolbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 111, posted (3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 40583 times:

MSN094 (9M-MNE) was delivered today, the 5th for Malaysia Airlines and the 98th A380 in total.

Two more and it's party time....   

User currently offlineSomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 112, posted (3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 40366 times:

Quoting PW100 (Reply 109):
Seems Airbus has a little wing-transportation snag . . . :

Is this the reason for the splitting up of the recent convoys, or is this due to other issues?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 113, posted (3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 40253 times:

Quoting Wolbo (Reply 111):
Two more and it's party time....

   MSN120 CZ #5 should be next (99th). Number 100 could be MSN113 (EK #32), MSN114 (MH #6) or MSN122 (TG 4).

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 112):
Is this the reason for the splitting up of the recent convoys, or is this due to other issues?

It is.

User currently offlineEPA001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 114, posted (3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 40252 times:
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Quoting Wolbo (Reply 111):
Two more and it's party time....  

The first century is coming up. Though much later the originally anticipated, it will still be quite a memorable moment.  

User currently offlineKL5147 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 115, posted (3 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 39794 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 113):
MSN120 CZ #5 should be next (99th). Number 100 could be MSN113 (EK #32), MSN114 (MH #6) or MSN122 (TG 4).

What about MSN115 (intended for AF)? it won't be #100 but it seems to be a long time in FAL. It left Langon for road transport to Toulouse on august 17th.

[Edited 2013-02-08 07:09:28]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 116, posted (3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 39732 times:

MSN115 rolled out after ~ 23 weeks in FAL.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/8447092799/

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 117, posted (3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 38931 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 108):
MSN136, EK's 40th, is being confirmed on convoy 4/2013.

Confirmed now.

User currently offlinecaliatenza From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 118, posted (3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 38943 times:

will the new EK 380's have the range to do DXB to the US West Coast?

User currently offliner2rho From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 119, posted (3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 38447 times:

Quoting caliatenza (Reply 118):
will the new EK 380's have the range to do DXB to the US West Coast?

Very possibly, but only those assembled after MSN95, BA's first, and the first aircraft introducing a higher MTOW and other tweaks like a wing twist change. It's not about having the range, but about the range to do it with a meaningful payload for EK. If those couple extra tons MTOW are enough, I guess we'll find out through future EK route annoucements  

User currently offlinejumpjet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 120, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 37506 times:

A few daft questions please...

Anyone any idea when the first BA A380 will emerge from the paintshop? Is the interior fully fitted out before paint and how many BA airframes are now "complete"?

User currently onlineStitch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 121, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 37194 times:
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Quoting jumpjet (Reply 120):
Is the interior fully fitted out before paint...

BA performs cabin outfitting (at least for the premium cabins) at Cardiff so I would guess this would be the case for the A380.

User currently offlineart From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 122, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 37153 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 121):
BA performs cabin outfitting (at least for the premium cabins) at Cardiff so I would guess this would be the case for the A380

If it still takes Airbus a long time to outfit an A380 after doing it 100 times, how long would it take BA with no previous experience?

User currently offlineTristarsteve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 123, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 36981 times:

Quoting art (Reply 122):
If it still takes Airbus a long time to outfit an A380 after doing it 100 times, how long would it take BA with no previous experience?

You are comparing apples and oranges.
BA installs the premium seats at Cardiff, the Boeings arrive with all the wall and ceiling panels and PSUs etc fitted.
But I believe the A380 is being fully fitted at XFW, all the A320 fleet are.

User currently offlinesomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 124, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 36807 times:

China Southern's firth and final (MSN120) was ferried down to TLS for preparation for delivery today


To bad the A380production blogg has died making in harder to follow the production these days

User currently offlinepetera380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 125, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 36864 times:
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Quoting someone83 (Reply 124):
To bad the A380production blogg has died making in harder to follow the production these days

I believe Airbus had a hand in shutting it down!   

User currently offlinelightsaber From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 126, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 36573 times:
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Quoting N14AZ (Reply 86):
Airbus is currently applying the final fix on MSN 095, BA #1.

Either they have the approval for the final fix, which was expected to be issued at the end of 2012 / beginning of 2013, or maybe kind of an exception to apply the final fix on an airframe currently in production (not an expert in that respect).
Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 89):
It's a repair (restoring the item to its intended function and performance, although it will not conform to the baseline engineering drawings), as opposed to rework to the new wing standard (bringing the item into full conformance with the new baseline engineering drawings)

Just to clarify, it sounds like this will be built *at risk* with the "permanent repair" instead of the new wing? Its perfectly legal to make an aircraft off drawing to a new as yet un-certified standard. But there is a risk that they must be brought to a new standard to enter commercial service. (The best example would be the 'terrible teen 787s.')

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 102):
1) The newLong Thanh International Airport should support the A380 but won't be ready until 2020 at least.

And then domestic flights will be split... I am not in favor of split hubs. That pushes connections elsewhere (I've yet to see 'easy enough' domestic transfers for the 1st time traveler between airports.).

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 114):
The first century is coming up. Though much later the originally anticipated, it will still be quite a memorable moment.

I'm excited.   


Lightsaber

User currently offlineN14AZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 127, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 36984 times:

Quoting petera380 (Reply 125):
I believe Airbus had a hand in shutting it down!

Is that really true? I mean they didn't do anything illegal there so an which basis would Airbus be able to threaten them?
Spotting movements in TLS and in XFW is not illegal, nor is it to take photos during the convoy when the fuselage parts pass this little village in France.

I thought it was rather about the fees for keeping the forum online.
Any information would be highly appreciated. Anyway, thank you for your good work in the last years.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 121):
BA performs cabin outfitting (at least for the premium cabins) at Cardiff so I would guess this would be the case for the A380.

Did they make this for all their recent B 777 deliveries?

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 123):
But I believe the A380 is being fully fitted at XFW, all the A320 fleet are.

I also would be suprised if they didn't do it in XFW. It would be the first A 380-operator that completes the cabin outfitting on his own. But who knows.

User currently onlineStitch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 128, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 36920 times:
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Quoting N14AZ (Reply 127):
Did they make this for all their recent B 777 deliveries?

Yes. Boeing delivered the planes with the World Traveller Plus and World Traveller cabins installed. BA Engineering than handled installation of First Class and Club World at Cardiff.

User currently offlinejumpjet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 129, posted (2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 36605 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 128):
Yes. Boeing delivered the planes with the World Traveller Plus and World Traveller cabins installed. BA Engineering than handled installation of First Class and Club World at Cardiff.

So, can anyone confirm that this is going to happen with the BA A380s? Sounds a bit improbable to me!

S when is the first BA A380 going to be emerging from the paintshop and is the normal way of doing things to fully outfit the interior before final paint?

User currently offlineZKCIF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 130, posted (2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 36392 times:

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 129):
S when is the first BA A380 going to be emerging from the paintshop and is the normal way of doing things to fully outfit the interior before final paint?

Hard to say but the plane will be delivered in June 2013 if it helps

User currently offlineBongodog1964 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 131, posted (2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 36433 times:

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 129):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 128):
Yes. Boeing delivered the planes with the World Traveller Plus and World Traveller cabins installed. BA Engineering than handled installation of First Class and Club World at Cardiff.

So, can anyone confirm that this is going to happen with the BA A380s? Sounds a bit improbable to me!

Silly question, but is Cardiff maintenance A380 compatible space wise, and secondly with the BA long haul fleet gradually expanding at what point does Cardiff run out of capacity ?

User currently offlineN14AZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 132, posted (2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 36214 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 128):
Yes. Boeing delivered the planes with the World Traveller Plus and World Traveller cabins installed. BA Engineering than handled installation of First Class and Club World at Cardiff.

Thanks for the information.

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 129):
is the normal way of doing things to fully outfit the interior before final paint?

So far we saw two approaches. A - painting after cabin outfitting or B - cabin outfitting interrupted for two weeks for painting.
The latter is most probably to optimize the utilization of the painting facilities.

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 129):
So when is the first BA A380 going to be emerging from the paintshop

If delivery is planned for the end of June I would say roll-out from the painting hangar at the end of April at the latest.

User currently offlinejumpjet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 133, posted (2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 36201 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 132):
So far we saw two approaches. A - painting after cabin outfitting or B - cabin outfitting interrupted for two weeks for painting.
The latter is most probably to optimize the utilization of the painting facilities.

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 129):
So when is the first BA A380 going to be emerging from the paintshop

If delivery is planned for the end of June I would say roll-out from the painting hangar at the end of April at the latest.

Many thanks for your reply. Very grateful...

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 134, posted (2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 36326 times:

The first BA A380 (MSN095) is now in its 15th outfit-week since arrival at XFW. Outfitting usually takes ~ 17 weeks for a new customer, so I expect the roll out somewhere next month. However, MSN095 will also undergo wing repair but it's not clear to me if this will be done in XFW or TLS. Depending on this issue the roll out might last longer.

User currently offlinejumpjet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 135, posted (2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 36065 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 134):
The first BA A380 (MSN095) is now in its 15th outfit-week since arrival at XFW. Outfitting usually takes ~ 17 weeks for a new customer, so I expect the roll out somewhere next month. However, MSN095 will also undergo wing repair but it's not clear to me if this will be done in XFW or TLS. Depending on this issue the roll out might last longer.

Should be worth the wait. I always think it's quite exciting to see a new airliner in the livery of a new customer airline. As BA is something of a national icon in the UK as it's the "flag carrier", it'll be something of a landmark occasion. I went up to LHR especially for the first ever visit of an A380 when a test aircraft landed. I remember all the A-Netters at the Green Man pub with their laptops racing to get the first photo on the web!

I'll do my best to be there when the first BA A380 lands at it's home base...   

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 136, posted (2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 35244 times:

MSN094 MH #5 has been delivered today.

User currently offlinespeedygonzales From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 137, posted (2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 35128 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 127):
Is that really true? I mean they didn't do anything illegal there so an which basis would Airbus be able to threaten them?
Spotting movements in TLS and in XFW is not illegal, nor is it to take photos during the convoy when the fuselage parts pass this little village in France.

It might have been due to copyright issues as that blog was notorious for using Airbus' and other people's pictures without giving credit or obtaining permission.

User currently offlineart From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 138, posted (2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 35037 times:

Quoting Wolbo (Reply 111):
MSN094 (9M-MNE) was delivered today, the 5th for Malaysia Airlines and the 98th A380 in total.

Above was posted 7 Feb 2013.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 136):
MSN094 MH #5 has been delivered today.

Above was posted 22 Feb 2013. Which one is right? You haven't confused MSN094 with another, have you KarelXWB?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 139, posted (2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 35009 times:

Sorry, my mistake. MSN094 was delivered around February 7 but the delivery flight to KUL was today.

User currently offlineKL5147 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 140, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 34565 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 139):
MSN094 was delivered around February 7 but the delivery flight to KUL was today

I saw a MH A380 at Finkenwerder Monday Feb 18th. She made one take off roll but did not get airborne. It then returned to the facility again. (I could not read the regi, nor the MSN #, but guess this was MSN 094)
There was also a CZ A380 on the ramp.
Tuesday 19th I saw the MH bird climb out and on Wednesday Feb 20, no A380's were seen at EDHI / XFW.

User currently onlinemjoelnir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 141, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 34503 times:

Quoting KL5147 (Reply 140):
I saw a MH A380 at Finkenwerder Monday Feb 18th. She made one take off roll but did not get airborne. It then returned to the facility again. (I could not read the regi, nor the MSN #, but guess this was MSN 094)

You saw a rejected take of, it is a test. It could be the next MH MSN 114.

MSN 094 was at that time at the delivery centre in TLS.

User currently offlineZKCIF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 142, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 34518 times:

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 137):
It might have been due to copyright issues as that blog was notorious for using Airbus' and other people's pictures without giving credit or obtaining permission.

if Airbus contributed to the end of the blog, they were not wise. have you ever seen a band or a sports team trying to ban a fan club promoting them?

User currently onlinemjoelnir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 143, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 34517 times:

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 137):

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 127):
Is that really true? I mean they didn't do anything illegal there so an which basis would Airbus be able to threaten them?
Spotting movements in TLS and in XFW is not illegal, nor is it to take photos during the convoy when the fuselage parts pass this little village in France.

It might have been due to copyright issues as that blog was notorious for using Airbus' and other people's pictures without giving credit or obtaining permission.

I followed the blog and forum and posted a few times pictures and videos were usually by the guys themselves or it was a link.

If you would be right, than in comparison A-Net should be down a long time ago.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 144, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 34373 times:

Quoting KL5147 (Reply 140):
I saw a MH A380 at Finkenwerder Monday Feb 18th. She made one take off roll but did not get airborne. It then returned to the facility again. (I could not read the regi, nor the MSN #, but guess this was MSN 094)
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 141):
You saw a rejected take of, it is a test. It could be the next MH MSN 114.

   MSN114 performed a cabin flight test too.

Here is a nice video of MSN114's CFF: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FFnqdwNdP2M (uploaded by xfw-spotter).

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 145, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 34453 times:

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 142):
if Airbus contributed to the end of the blog, they were not wise. have you ever seen a band or a sports team trying to ban a fan club promoting them?
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 143):
I followed the blog and forum and posted a few times pictures and videos were usually by the guys themselves or it was a link.

If you would be right, than in comparison A-Net should be down a long time ago.

Airbus did not shut down the a380production blog, I believe the owner has found other interests. A new production forum has been created at http://doubledecker.boards.net/

Anyway, let's not go offtopic in this thread.

User currently onlinemjoelnir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 146, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 34010 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 145):
Airbus did not shut down the a380production blog, I believe the owner has found other interests. A new production forum has been created at http://doubledecker.boards.net/

Thank you for that information.

User currently offlinesomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 147, posted (2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 33215 times:

MSN132 (EK's 36th) has been transfered to XFW for outfitting

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 148, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 32252 times:

MSN138 EK 42th has been confirmed as the new frame carried on the latest convoy. 3 more frames to go and EK will have half of their A380 order.

11 frames for EK are now in various stages of assembly:

- MSN113 #32 rolled out in XFW
- MSN116 #33 cabin outfitting in XFW
- MSN119 #34 cabin outfitting in XFW
- MSN123 #35 cabin outfitting in XFW
- MSN132 #36 cabin outfitting in XFW
- MSN127 #37 undergoing final assembly in TLS
- MSN133 #38 undergoing final assembly in TLS
- MSN134 #39 undergoing final assembly in TLS
- MSN135 #40 undergoing final assembly in TLS
- MSN136 #41 undergoing body join in TLS
- MSN138 #42 awaiting body join in TLS

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 149, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 31710 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 124):
China Southern's firth and final (MSN120) was ferried down to TLS for preparation for delivery today

MSN120 is now wearing its final registration (B-6140):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/8512697035/in/photostream

This was the last CZ A380 on order.

User currently offlinescouseflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 150, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 31227 times:

Is the boat still stuck on the sandbank outside Mostyn - when I took the kids to the beach last Sunday it was still there - it's got to be really hurting now if it's still out of action.

User currently onlinemjoelnir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 151, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 31218 times:

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 150):
Is the boat still stuck on the sandbank outside Mostyn - when I took the kids to the beach last Sunday it was still there - it's got to be really hurting now if it's still out of action.

It was refloated on the 9th of February.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 152, posted (2 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 30760 times:

Expected deliveries for the next months:

March
- MSN114 MH
- MSN122 TG

April
- MSN113 EK

May
- MSN116 EK
- MSN119 EK

User currently onlinebycac From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 153, posted (2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 30258 times:

Acceptance flight for MSN114 , to be delivered soon normaly.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bycac/8535967189/in/photostream

User currently offlineKennyK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 154, posted (2 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 29872 times:

Is MSN120 for China Southern the next delivery?, #99, if so when, and will that mean MSN114 for MH will be #100?

That will also mean the completion of both these airlines order books with 5 and 6 delivered respectively.

User currently onlinemjoelnir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 155, posted (2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 29828 times:

Quoting KennyK (Reply 154):
Is MSN120 for China Southern the next delivery?,

MSN 120 was delivered on the first of March.

User currently offlineSomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 156, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 29484 times:

MSN115, #9 for AF finallay had its first flight at TLS today

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 157, posted (2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 28796 times:

MSN139 EK #43 has been confirmed as the new frame being carried on Convoy #10.

User currently offliner2rho From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 158, posted (2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 28078 times:

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 151):
Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 150):
Is the boat still stuck on the sandbank outside Mostyn - when I took the kids to the beach last Sunday it was still there - it's got to be really hurting now if it's still out of action.

It was refloated on the 9th of February.

Interestingly, this ship was also the first carrying A400M wings from Filton. Due to the definitive closure of FZO by BAE, Airbus can no longer fly the Beluga there, so A400M wings will be sent by road to Royal Portbury dock, where they are loaded onto the ro-ro vessels. So apparently A380 and A400M wings will be sharing the ride from now on.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 159, posted (2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 27299 times:

MSN114 is now wearing its final registration which means the 100th A380 has been delivered.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/8552380250/in/photostream/

User currently offlineEPA001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 160, posted (2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 27288 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 159):

MSN114 is now wearing its final registration which means the 100th A380 has been delivered.

Which is a milestone reached. Even if it was much more of a burden then expected, still congrats to all involved parties and persons are in place.     

User currently offlinehannahpa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 161, posted (2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 26682 times:
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I know this has been discussed adnausium, but every time I see any information on the A380, I ask myself: When are they going to build the 380-900??? I just cant wait to see that bahemouth in the air, let alone get a chance to fly in it....

Please bear with me. I am like a kid in a candy store when it comes to this subject.

User currently onlineVV701 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 162, posted (2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 26296 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 131):
with the BA long haul fleet gradually expanding at what point does Cardiff run out of capacity ?

This may have already happened. For example 744 G-BNLI positioned to SIN on 13 January for heavy maintenance. It returned to LHR on 3 March. G-CIVC then positioned to SIN for maintenance the following day, 4 March.

User currently offlineskipness1E From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 163, posted (2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 26192 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 162):
This may have already happened.

This is due to lack of hangar capacity at Heathrow as the second of two hangars are made A380 ready, hence a drop in capacity.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 164, posted (2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25252 times:

MSN140 EK #44 will be carried on convoy #11 (convoy will start tonight).

1 more frame to go and Airbus is half through the EK order of 90 A380s.

User currently offlinethegeek From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 165, posted (2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 24443 times:

Quoting hannahpa (Reply 161):
When are they going to build the 380-900???

This article reckons 2020 for launch: http://www.ausbt.com.au/supersizing-...1-000-seat-airbus-a380-due-by-2020

I guess that would mean EIS in the early to mid 2020s. Don't hold your breath, is I guess what I'm saying.

User currently offlinesf260 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 166, posted (2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 24266 times:

I think Airbus can launch it as early as (Le Bourget) 2017 with EIS for 2020-22, with (slightly) updated engines for -800 and -900. Most of A350 and A320neo engineering should be finished (not that the -900 derivative requires that much work) and A380 production should be as streamlined as it can get by 2017.
Current order book dries up around 2018 and I see no airline in a hurry to order large quatities soon (except TK and some smaller follow-on orders). I can see some current A380 operators start thinking about A380 replacement by the end of this decade, and these will also be the most likely candidates for the -900.

The 'problem' is the current -800 is just 'too good' and has almost no competition, Airbus is not in a hurry to launch the -900 as it will only cannibalize -800 sales for the moment. Then there is also the current economic climate and production issues which are not helping either.

User currently offlineSemaex From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 167, posted (2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 23977 times:

So which operators are interested in a -900?
Out of my head I can remember LH stating they have an interest, EK wouldn't be a hard guess and CX would in fact only order the bigger jet.
Is that it or were there more?

User currently offlinesf260 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 168, posted (2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 23745 times:

Off the top of my head, LH, AF, EK, CX, VS (fwiw) and SUH have all publicly stated they are interested in a larger variant. I can imagine other airlines like BA and SQ also showing interest in the -900 by the end of this decade, for EIS 2022-2025, as well as some Chinese carriers.

User currently offlinethegeek From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 169, posted (2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 23365 times:

QF could use a small number, particularly for SYD-LAX. Not sure about their LHR ops.

User currently offlineZKCIF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 170, posted (1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 22702 times:

A little overview of where we stand is due.
Prior to January 1, 2013 we had 97 deliveries. With the completion of Convoy 11 it looks like we can know what will be delivered in 2013 as there is a long long break befoe Convoy 12 starts, and the new frame will hardly make it this year.

In short, in the most optimistic scenario this year will see 25 deliveries (in comparison with 30 we saw in 2012). this is of course the consequence of the wing crack issue.

The change during this year should be:

EK 31+13=44
SQ 19-------19
QF 12--------12
LH 10--------10
AF 8+1=9
KE 6+2=8
MH 4+2=6 (both already delivered)
TG 3+3=6 (the first of those may be ferried to BKK before the weekend, already wearing HS-TUD reg.)
CZ 4+1=5 (already delivered)
BA 0+3=3

What to think of MSN 002, I just don't know.

Some people (who are likely to be in the know) write http://doubledecker.boards.net/thread/321/2014-deliveries that 4 EK frames may have deliveries shifted to 2014 because of wing fixes. Of course, in this case we will only get 21 deliveries this year and will thus reach 118 rather than 122.

It is highly likely that the next frame to be convoyed is MSN137, #1 Qatar which is the one with the permanent wing fix.

Good flights to everyone.

User currently onlinebycac From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 171, posted (1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 22206 times:

BAW number 3 ! Normally RTO today but not seen...noramlly first flight tomorrow and after go to XFW !
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bycac/8578375834/in/photostream

User currently offlineart From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 172, posted (1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 21832 times:

Sorry if this has been raised before...

The flow of A380 production throughout the year does not look very smooth:

Deliveries

***** Q Q Q Q
2009 0 3 3 4
2010 3 4 7 4
2011 3 7 6 9
2012 4 6 7 13
2013 4

Q1 2011 + Q1 2012 deliveries = 7
Q4 2011 + Q4 2012 deliveries = 22

Is this end of year target chasing? If so, what's the point - it looks like it just reduces the following year's Q1 figures. I imagine it would be more efficient for production to run more smoothly.

User currently offlineJValjean From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 173, posted (1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 21704 times:

Quoting art (Reply 172):
Is this end of year target chasing? If so, what's the point - it looks like it just reduces the following year's Q1 figures. I imagine it would be more efficient for production to run more smoothly.

Perhaps it might be a means of avoiding/minimizing significant financial penalties (i.e. penalties > potential savings derived from increased production efficiency) that would otherwise be due to customers if deliveries "slip" into a later quarter than has been contractually stipulated.

User currently offlinethegeek From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 174, posted (1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 21659 times:

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 170):
In short, in the most optimistic scenario this year will see 25 deliveries (in comparison with 30 we saw in 2012). this is of course the consequence of the wing crack issue.

Interesting. So is there a realistic chance of reaching 3 per month in 2014?

User currently offlineHB-IWC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 175, posted (1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 21669 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 169):
Some people (who are likely to be in the know) write http://doubledecker.boards.net/thread/321/2014-deliveries that 4 EK frames may have deliveries shifted to 2014 because of wing fixes. Of course, in this case we will only get 21 deliveries this year and will thus reach 118 rather than 122.

Emirates has stated that it will put 9 frames into operation during 2013, so your information of 10 frames delivered to EK in 2013 is likely correct as frame #10 will more than likely be put into operation on 01JAN14.

User currently offlinesomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 176, posted (1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 21527 times:

MSN128, KE's #8, was transfered to outfitting in XFW earlier this week

User currently onlinebycac From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 177, posted (1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 21723 times:

HS-TUD was delivered this morning THA8945 !

User currently offlinehannahpa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 178, posted (1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 21172 times:
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Quoting bycac (Reply 177):

Who did it go to???? Is this #101????

User currently offlineAsiaflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 179, posted (1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 21037 times:

Quoting hannahpa (Reply 178):

It is TG's #4. See reply 170 above.  

User currently offlinesomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 180, posted (1 month 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20264 times:

MSN124, BA's third, is having its first flight and is being ferried from TLS to outfitting in XFW today

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 181, posted (1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 20018 times:

Lufthansa Technik has been carrying out a full-life repair on one of the German carrier's A380s at Frankfurt since February, and says the work takes 40-50 days.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...0-wing-fix-nearly-complete-383847/

User currently offlineLH422 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 182, posted (1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 19749 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 181):
Lufthansa Technik has been carrying out a full-life repair on one of the German carrier's A380s at Frankfurt since February, and says the work takes 40-50 days.

So this is D-AIMB?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 183, posted (1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 19758 times:

Yes, D-AIMB it is  

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 184, posted (1 month 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19248 times:

MSN095, the first A380 for BA, entered the paint hanger today.

User currently offlinetimboflier215 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 185, posted (1 month 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19179 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 184):

Hurrah! About time!!

User currently offlineEPA001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 186, posted (1 month 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19202 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 184):
MSN095, the first A380 for BA, entered the paint hanger today.

Good news for BA and the A380.

User currently offlinejumpjet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 187, posted (1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 18667 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 184):
MSN095, the first A380 for BA, entered the paint hanger today.

Not long to wait then before we see the finished article in all it's glory!

How long will it be in the paint shop?

User currently onlineVV701 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 188, posted (1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 18497 times:

I think - but do not know - that the reason BA has either installed the premium class seats in new long-haul aircraft or had them installed by Marshalls Aerospace at CBG (Cambridge) is that the seats concerned were of European manufacture. So transporting them to PAE and then back to LHR on delivery was more costly than installing them on the eastern side of the Atlantic after delivery.

I think this all started with the delivery of 744 G-CIVP back in early 1998 just after BA had launched their 1st generation lie-flat J Class seat. That aircraft was ferried PAE-CBG to Marshalls on delivery on 17 February 1998 . I think all of the remaining sixteen BA 744s followed it directly to CBG to be fitted with the new J Class seat with the exception of G-CIVT that I believe had its seats fitted by BA at LHR.

Much more recently BA fitted the F and J Class seats to its small fleet of 77Ws after they were ferried PAE-CWL on delivery.

So I expect that all the seats will be fitted in the BA 380s at XFW. But I think that the two 77Ws scheduled to be delivered in September and November and the first of the 787s will have their J and, where appropriate, F Class seats fitted by BA at CWL after delivery.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 189, posted (1 month 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18359 times:

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 187):
Not long to wait then before we see the finished article in all it's glory!

How long will it be in the paint shop?

A week or so.

Latest information however says that BA won't pull it to the flightline but instead keep it inside until the official roll-out ceremony. So it may take a while before we will see it.

Also, David Kaminski-Morrow from Flightglobal just tweeted this:

Quote:
Little bird tells me British Airways is considering a proposition to fly its first #Airbus #A380 at the Paris Air Show. #PAS13


[Edited 2013-03-27 10:41:33]

User currently offlineEPA001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 190, posted (1 month 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17991 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 189):
Also, David Kaminski-Morrow from Flightglobal just tweeted this:

Quote:
Little bird tells me British Airways is considering a proposition to fly its first #Airbus #A380 at the Paris Air Show. #PAS13

That would be a good marketing deal for BA there.  

User currently offlineTristarsteve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 191, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 17426 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 188):
So I expect that all the seats will be fitted in the BA 380s at XFW. But I think that the two 77Ws scheduled to be delivered in September and November and the first of the 787s will have their J and, where appropriate, F Class seats fitted by BA at CWL after delivery.

I have seen pictures taken at Hamburg of the BA A380 with Club seats installed, and the B787 at Seattle also with Club seats installed.
The same source (internal BA) says the A380 will leave the paint bay on April 15.

User currently offlinesomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 192, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16673 times:

MSN132, Emirates #32, had its Cabin first flight at XFW today. Delivery is expected later this month

User currently offlineFocker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 193, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16566 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 192):
MSN132, Emirates #32, had its Cabin first flight at XFW today. Delivery is expected later this month

It is MSN 113

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 194, posted (1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15863 times:

MSN095 BA #1 is now outside in full livery, no pictures yet.

User currently offlineMWHCVT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 195, posted (1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15841 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 194):

MSN095 BA #1 is now outside in full livery, no pictures yet.

Now that's just teasing  

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 196, posted (1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15968 times:

Pictures are coming in:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHFsR2-CAAEDRpk.jpg:large

User currently offlineMWHCVT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 197, posted (1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15892 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 196):

Pictures are coming in:



Best looking A380 ever hands down

User currently offlineEPA001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 198, posted (1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 15430 times:
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Quoting MWHCVT (Reply 197):
Best looking A380 ever hands down

I like the liveries of Thai International Airways and especially Korean Air also very much on the A380. But this looking quite good as well to me.  .

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 196):
Pictures are coming in:

Thanks for posting the picture.

User currently offlineSemaex From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 199, posted (1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14675 times:

Quoting MWHCVT (Reply 197):
Best looking A380 ever hands down

I'll decide when (if?) the VN bird comes out of the paint hangar  
But I must give credit to BA, they've done a good job. The only tiny bit I would change is the shade of blue. Darker would be nice.

So which paintjob are we going to see next for a first on the A380? QR, EY, OZ or something completely different?

// edit
on second thought.... I will absolutely Love the Qatar livery!

[Edited 2013-04-07 12:18:26]

User currently offlinelightsaber From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 200, posted (1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 14111 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 196):
Pictures are coming in:

I rather like how they've adapted the livery for the size of the A380. I expected to say otherwise (or more likely, hold my tongue),

Lightsaber

User currently offlineAviaponcho From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 201, posted (1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13799 times:

Hello

It could have been better with a more refined wing to body joint ... The grey of the wings is interrupting the blue belly line unfortunately (in my opinion)

User currently offlinebongodog1964 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 202, posted (1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14041 times:

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 201):
It could have been better with a more refined wing to body joint ... The grey of the wings is interrupting the blue belly line unfortunately (in my opinion)

From the side you are right, if however you were looking up in the sky as it flies overhead the blue and grey will look correct. Taking the blue higher up onto the fairing, would then spread it outwards when viewed in flight.

User currently onlineVV701 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 203, posted (1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14027 times:

Quoting Semaex (Reply 199):
The only tiny bit I would change is the shade of blue. Darker would be nice.

This is likely a function of the colour temperature of the night time lighting.

Overcast daylight has a colour temperature of around 5,500 degrees Kelvin (the colour of a black body heated to 5,500 degrees Absolute or Kelvin).

Blue sky daylight can have a much higher colour temperature - 15.000 to 25,000 degrees Kelvin or even higher.

But photoflood lighting has a low colour temperature of around 3,200 degrees Kelvin and this is visually significantly different to daylight.

Variations in the colour of the illumination will change the apparent appearance of many different colours. So if you are trying to match colours, view the items you are trying to match under the lighting conditions they are most likely to be seen in. Two items that look to match in daylight can look very different to each other in tungsten light. Indeed back in the days of silver halide colour film the manufacturers produced two different types of colour positive (slide or cine) film "Daylight" (for daylight or electronic flash) and "Type A" (for 3,200 degree tungsten lighting). Hence "Kodachrome II" and "Kodachrome II Type A".

I am sure that the blue paint used by BA on their 380s will be the same as that used of all their other frames. It will look darker in daylight.

User currently offlineart From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 204, posted (1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13934 times:

Sorry if this is a bit off the current topic (A380 livery production). Regarding thw wing fix:

Quote:
Work still is being performed on these aircraft, he adds. Last month, Lufthansa Technik Chairman August Wilhelm Henningsen told Aviation Week that the company was carrying out the permanent wing feet repairs on one of Lufthansa’s A380s at its Frankfurt facility, and that the retrofit takes 40 to 50 days.

The MRO division of the Lufthansa Group has contracts to perform the permanent retrofits on 31 A380s: 10 from Lufthansa’s fleet, 12 for Qantas and nine for Emirates Airline.

The work on the Qantas A380 fleet will be conducted at Lufthansa Technik’s facility in Manila, while Ameco Beijing will carry out the Emirates retrofits.

Air France Industries KLM Engineering & Maintenance, meanwhile, says it may perform permanent retrofits on Air France’s A380; until now, the temporary wing repairs of Air France’s fleet have been “mostly handed over to Airbus,” says AFI KLM E&M
http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....l/avd_04_03_2013_p03-01-565033.xml

40-50 days is a long time out of service but perhaps that is the time it would take for any company to do the work. I wonder how much it will cost Airbus to compensate airlines for roughly 100 x 40-50 days = 4,000-5,000 days loss of service + cost of doing the work if Airbus does not do it.

User currently offlinebongodog1964 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 205, posted (1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13898 times:

Quoting art (Reply 204):
40-50 days is a long time out of service but perhaps that is the time it would take for any company to do the work. I wonder how much it will cost Airbus to compensate airlines for roughly 100 x 40-50 days = 4,000-5,000 days loss of service + cost of doing the work if Airbus does not do it.

It was mentioned a while back that the work would be done in conjunction with a major check. I know that BA takes about 30 days to do a D check on a 744, on that basis its not a huge extra amount of down time.

User currently offlinequeb From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 206, posted (1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13680 times:

Quoting bongodog1964 (Reply 205):
It was mentioned a while back that the work would be done in conjunction with a major check. I know that BA takes about 30 days to do a D check on a 744, on that basis its not a huge extra amount of down time.

the first A380 structural check is due after 6000 flight hours, they can not wait so long.

User currently offlinebongodog1964 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 207, posted (1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13628 times:

Quoting queb (Reply 206):
the first A380 structural check is due after 6000 flight hours, they can not wait so long.

Why not, after all many of the early 380's are way beyond 6000 hours now. Airbus was reported in January as offering a repair schedule that could be incorporated into the planes next C check. If the cut off tiem for the repair was 6000 hours there would be a lot of grounded 380's now, as thats only about 16 months utilisation.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 208, posted (1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13123 times:

MSN137 QR #1 has been confirmed as the new frame being carried on Convoy 2013/12. The convoy is currently on its way to TLS.

[Edited 2013-04-09 02:18:21]

User currently offlineswallow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 209, posted (1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13014 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 208):
MSN137 QR #1 has been confirmed as the new frame being carried on Convoy 2013/12

And the first convoy with the modified wings. Great to see.

User currently offlinesomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 210, posted (1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12336 times:

MSN133, 37th to EK, had first flight and ferry to XFW today

User currently offline747classic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 211, posted (1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 11904 times:

According several sources Air France has negotiated a delivery delay of four A380 aircraft (two scheduled for 2013 and two for 2014), also one option has been cancelled.

See (Dutch only) : http://www.telegraaf.nl/dft/bedrijve...elt_levering_Airbussen_uit___.html

See (French only) : http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...ison-de-plusieurs-airbus-a380.html

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 212, posted (1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 11837 times:

There is/was only 1 AF delivery scheduled for this year (MSN 115).

[Edited 2013-04-11 01:11:08]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 213, posted (1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 11794 times:

I read the article and I'm wondering where they get that information. Air France last 2 units were already postponed until 2016 (a year ago). This is the current schedule I have:

- MSN115: 2013 delivery, currently in XFW for outfitting
- MSN117: 2014 delivery, will be on one of the next convoys
- MSN??? & MSN???: 2016 delivery, numbers not yet allocated

[Edited 2013-04-11 01:23:19]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 214, posted (1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 11491 times:

Ok, it seems like the Dutch websites have translated it incorrectly (as usual  ).

Quote:
Discussions therefore focus on four copies, which should be initially delivered in spring 2013 (for the 9th and 10th copies) in 2014 and for the last two. Asked Air France said finalizing discussions for the delivery of the ninth A380 is shifted to September 2013 as the tenth is in April 2014.

MSN115 AF #9 will be delivered in September 2013
MSN117 AF #10 will be delivered in April 2014

The delivery of MSN115 shifted a few months to September 2013 while MSN117 slips from 2013 into 2014, that also explains why the convoy of MSN117 is later than expected. And the last 2 units of the order of 12 will be delivered 'later', but as far as I know that has always been 2016.

[Edited 2013-04-11 04:13:44]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 215, posted (1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 11037 times:

MSN5001, the fatigue test frame, is now being slowly dismantled. The fatigue testing comes to an end.

Quote:
Nach 8 Jahren Ermüdungstest des A380 bei der IMA/IABG in Dresden, wird dieser nun langsam demontiert. Der lange Zeitraum zeigt die Komplexität der neuen Werkstoffe und Konstruktion, und der damit verbundenen Probleme bzw. der neu eingeschlagenen Wege in der Luftfahrt.
Interessant dürft noch einmal der Abtransport der einzelnen Zellen werden, es sei denn, es wird alles fein säuberlich vor Ort zerlegt.

Translated:

Quote:
After 8 years of fatigue testing of the A380 at the IMA / IABG in Dresden, this is now being slowly dismantled. The long period shows the complexity of the new materials and construction, and the associated problems and the newly chosen path in aviation. Dared to be interesting again, the removal of the individual cells, unless it is all disassembled neatly on the ground.
http://www.flugzeugforum.de/airbus-a...aktuell-23086-176.html#post1858525

http://www.dresden-airport.de/tycon/pic.php?imgurl=%2Fmedia%2Fbildergalerien%2Fgebaeude%2F13_testhalle.jpg&height=372&width=520

User currently offlinesomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 216, posted (1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10358 times:

Yesterday, both MSN127 (EK #37) and MSN131 (TG #6) had their first engine runs. So first flight and transfer to XFW shouldn't be that far away. MSN116 (EK #33) had its first cabin flight, so on schedule for a May delivery

User currently offlineSomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 217, posted (3 weeks 5 days 15 hours 18 minutes ago) and read 9298 times:

MSN144, BA's #4, is being confirmed as the frame on convoy 13/2013

User currently offlinequeb From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 218, posted (3 weeks 5 days 13 hours 41 minutes ago) and read 9060 times:

The vertical tail section for the first A380 for Qatar Airways has been painted.

http://www.servimg.com/u/f79/17/03/84/59/a380_q10.jpg

User currently offlineA388 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 219, posted (3 weeks 5 days 13 hours 30 minutes ago) and read 9004 times:

Quoting queb (Reply 218):
The vertical tail section for the first A380 for Qatar Airways has been painted.

That tail looks really small compared to the guys walking in front of it but I'm sure that's just the obtical illusion (the tail is probably much further away than you think it is on the photo).

In any case, that QR 380 will be one of the best looking 380's yet. I also love the BA 380 

A388

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 220, posted (3 weeks 5 days 13 hours 28 minutes ago) and read 9023 times:

And here is the press release (including a high-res picture):

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...irst-a380-rolls-out-of-paint-shop/

User currently offlineEPA001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 221, posted (3 weeks 5 days 13 hours 22 minutes ago) and read 8994 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 219):
In any case, that QR A380 will be one of the best looking 380's yet. I also love the BA 380 

I have high expectations of the QR-livery on the A380 as well.  .

User currently offlineLH422 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 222, posted (3 weeks 5 days 11 hours 57 minutes ago) and read 8782 times:

It seems that D-AIMB, the LH plane receiving the final wing crack fixes, did a test flight yesterday after being in maintenance for a long time.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/d-aimb

User currently offlineUnflug From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 223, posted (3 weeks 5 days 10 hours 46 minutes ago) and read 8614 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 219):
That tail looks really small compared to the guys walking in front of it but I'm sure that's just the obtical illusion (the tail is probably much further away than you think it is on the photo).

If you look at the building you see that the camera view is not horizontal, it is looking upwards...

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 224, posted (3 weeks 5 days 10 hours 22 minutes ago) and read 8664 times:

Another view:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BId2nlaCMAATIZY.jpg:large

User currently offlinetravelavnut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 225, posted (3 weeks 5 days 6 hours 8 minutes ago) and read 8358 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 219):
That tail looks really small compared to the guys walking in front of it but I'm sure that's just the obtical illusion (the tail is probably much further away than you think it is on the photo).

I had the same feeling, until...

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 224):
Another view:

Love the livery on the tail, think the Whale will look awesome in the Qatar colors...

User currently offlineSomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 226, posted (3 weeks 3 days 22 hours 57 minutes ago) and read 7790 times:

MSN127, EK #38, had its first flight and transfer to XFW for outfitting yesterday. MSN131, TG #6, should follow soon

User currently offlineSomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 227, posted (2 weeks 5 days 11 hours 35 minutes ago) and read 7309 times:

Seems like MSN121, BA's 2nd, now is on the flightline in XFW fully painted

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 228, posted (2 weeks 1 day 11 hours 18 minutes ago) and read 6558 times:

MSN137 in body join:


(uploaded by A380_TLS)

User currently offlineBoeingVista From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 229, posted (2 weeks 1 day 9 hours 37 minutes ago) and read 6277 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 215):
MSN5001, the fatigue test frame, is now being slowly dismantled. The fatigue testing comes to an end.

Heres a question, did the fatigue frame pick up the wing cracking issue?

User currently onlineStitch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 230, posted (2 weeks 1 day 9 hours 31 minutes ago) and read 6276 times:
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Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 229):
Heres a question, did the fatigue frame pick up the wing cracking issue?

As I understand it, the cracks were discovered during the inspection of the QF31 airframe after the engine failure.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 231, posted (2 weeks 1 day 9 hours 28 minutes ago) and read 6285 times:

Correct. A blessing in disguise  

User currently offlineBoeingVista From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 232, posted (2 weeks 1 day 9 hours 17 minutes ago) and read 6232 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 230):
As I understand it, the cracks were discovered during the inspection of the QF31 airframe after the engine failure.

Yes, I know this but did the fatigue test frame also see the cracking issue.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 233, posted (2 weeks 1 day 9 hours 14 minutes ago) and read 6234 times:

As far as I know no cracks were discovered in the fatigue frame.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 234, posted (2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6144 times:

Airbus delivered EK's 32th A380 today: MSN113 / AF-EEF.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 235, posted (1 week 5 days 9 hours 19 minutes ago) and read 5507 times:

MSN095 engine run today.


(uploaded by XFW-Spotter)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/xfwspotter/8713713485/in/photostream

[Edited 2013-05-06 09:51:05]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 236, posted (1 week 4 days 15 hours 59 minutes ago) and read 5024 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 235):
MSN095 engine run today.

And taxi test today:


(uploaded by XFW-Spotter)

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 237, posted (1 week 4 days 15 hours 54 minutes ago) and read 4983 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 234):
Airbus delivered EK's 32th A380 today: MSN113 / AF-EEF.

Oops I meant 32nd, not 32th  

Anyway, Emirates has taken delivery of their 33th A380 today: MSN116 / A6-EEG.

User currently offlineEPA001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 238, posted (1 week 4 days 15 hours 28 minutes ago) and read 4932 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 236):
And taxi test today:

She is quite a beauty in BA's colours. Thanks for posting the picture.  .

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 239, posted (1 week 13 hours 30 minutes ago) and read 4125 times:

Emirates number 45 (MSN141) is on its way to TLS (convoy 14/2013).

[Edited 2013-05-11 05:40:22]

User currently offlineAustrianZRH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 240, posted (1 week 13 hours 2 minutes ago) and read 4043 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 237):
Oops I meant 32nd, not 32th

Anyway, Emirates has taken delivery of their 33th A380 today: MSN116 / A6-EEG.

I think you meant 33rd there    .

User currently offlinesomeone83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 241, posted (5 days 12 hours 32 minutes ago) and read 3163 times:

MSN119, EK #34, had it's CFF and MSN134, EK #39, was transfered TLS-XFW for outfitting today

User currently offlinequeb From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 242, posted (5 days 8 hours 2 minutes ago) and read 2950 times:

MSN 137

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7319/8734775231_ff69a95f56_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/8734775231/in/photostream/

User currently offlinemiami From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 243, posted (5 days 5 hours 8 minutes ago) and read 2698 times:

Quoting queb (Reply 242):

The QR livery on the A380 will be AMAZING. It will be on my top 3 favorite A380 liveries

User currently offlinena From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 244, posted (5 days 4 hours 16 minutes ago) and read 2606 times:

Quoting miami (Reply 243):
The QR livery on the A380 will be AMAZING. It will be on my top 3 favorite A380 liveries

KE, BA, and TH liveries look good on the A380. And QR´s colours will certainly suit it too.

User currently offlineEK413 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 245, posted (4 days 15 hours 59 minutes ago) and read 2196 times:

Quoting queb (Reply 242):

Under tow to have her power plants fitted  http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7287/8737162254_5cc963686c_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7288/8737161918_819966c7fc_b.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/openskyphotographer/

EK413

User currently offlineJumpjet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 246, posted (4 days 14 hours 31 minutes ago) and read 1932 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 236):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 235):
MSN095 engine run today.

And taxi test today:


(uploaded by XFW-Spotter)

Q1. So can someone please tell me what they're doing with this one now in terms of outfitting and testing?

Q2. How far are we away from the actual delivery of this one?

Q3. How many BA A380s are up and "flying" now and where are they, Toulouse or Hamburg?

Sorry if I'm going over old ground here.....

User currently offlinena From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 247, posted (4 days 14 hours 28 minutes ago) and read 1927 times:

Why are new Airbus planes always painted so patchily in different shades of green coating? Cant they decide on a single colour? It does look unprofessional and like a low quality product.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 248, posted (4 days 14 hours 15 minutes ago) and read 1880 times:

Quoting na (Reply 247):
Why are new Airbus planes always painted so patchily in different shades of green coating? Cant they decide on a single colour? It does look unprofessional and like a low quality product.

Different materials = different colors.

Quoting Jumpjet (Reply 246):
Q1. So can someone please tell me what they're doing with this one now in terms of outfitting and testing?

G-XLEA should have its CFF this week, if no issues are found the customer acceptance flight will follow afterwards.

Quoting Jumpjet (Reply 246):
Q2. How far are we away from the actual delivery of this one?

Delivery is slated for July.

Quoting Jumpjet (Reply 246):
Q3. How many BA A380s are up and "flying" now and where are they, Toulouse or Hamburg?

4 BA A380s are in different stages of assembly:

G-XLEA: rolled out at XFW, RTO last week, awaiting CFF
G-XLEB: rolled out at XFW, awaiting RTO
G-XLEC: undergoing cabin outfitting at XFW
G-XLED: undergoing body join at TLS

[Edited 2013-05-14 04:55:28]

[Edited 2013-05-14 04:55:53]

User currently offlineJumpjet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 249, posted (4 days 14 hours 8 minutes ago) and read 1837 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 248):
4 BA A380s are in different stages of assembly:

G-XLEA: rolled out at XFW, RTO last week, awaiting CFF
G-XLEB: rolled out at XFW, awaiting RTO
G-XLEC: undergoing cabin outfitting at XFW
G-XLED: undergoing body join at TLS

Thanks KarelXWB.

Sorry, but what's RTO? CFF?

Cheers!

User currently offlinetravelavnut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 250, posted (4 days 14 hours 7 minutes ago) and read 1841 times:

Quoting na (Reply 247):
It does look unprofessional and like a low quality product.

Good thing than that nobody cares what it looks like during production.....

User currently offlineKarelXWB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 251, posted (4 days 13 hours 58 minutes ago) and read 1802 times:

Quoting Jumpjet (Reply 249):
Sorry, but what's RTO? CFF?

RTO is the Rejected Take Off test. This high-speed taxi test is done to be sure the brakes work as expected.

CFF stands for Cabin First Flight, this is a check flight to test the whole cabin. Testing the cabin lights, the entertainment systems etc.

CAF is the Customer Acceptance Flight.

User currently offlineba319-131 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 252, posted (4 days 13 hours 58 minutes ago) and read 1848 times:
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Quoting Jumpjet (Reply 249):
Sorry, but what's RTO? CFF?

- RTO = Rejected Take Off CFF = Cabin First Flight