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2nd Generation Of Concordes May Be Here Soon!  
User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

Read this guys:

New supersonic executive jets dubbed the 'Sons of Concorde' are being developed.

The imminent resumption of commercial Concorde flights has encouraged companies to develop smaller supersonic passenger jets.

Engineers and designers for companies including Boeing, Lockheed and Nasa are drawing up blueprints for planes which would be cleaner, quieter and quicker than Concorde.

The next generation of supersonic aircraft could be taking off in five to 10 years, The Sunday Telegraph reports.

A top-of-the-range 10-seater supersonic business jet could cost about £60 million, according to industry estimates.

Concorde is not allowed to fly supersonically over land because it is the world's dirtiest and loudest commercial aircraft. Its sonic booms can shatter windows and damage buildings.

Engineers believe they can produce a new generation of aircraft that will be quiet enough to allow them to fly supersonically across land.

This will be done by extending the nose and tail sections, "flattening" the pressure waves created when a plane passes through the sound barrier.

Peter Coen, a spokesman for Nasa, said: "We already have a sonic boom that is a quarter of Concorde's. That may not be quiet enough but we can cut it even more."

*Concorde story sent by Ananova



See this story on the web at http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_388312.html

Wouldnt it be good if some of you could do designs for new Concordes, then post them here, and we'll think about them and discuss them  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

BA777  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 1672 times:

I thought people here liked concorde, maybe i was wrong :-(

plz reply with your comments  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

BA777  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineNotar520AC From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1606 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 21 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

Yeah, Dassault Falcon is making a supersonic business jet- here's the link.

http://www.falconjet.com/pubs/falconer/fr3q98/3qtr-98-p3.html







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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13168 posts, RR: 78
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

They've been talking about supersonic business jets for 10 years, Grumman and Russian companies produced the first proposals in 1991.
I don't think ANY boom will be acceptable overland, look at the opposition quiet conventional aircraft increasingly encounter.
Also, the lack of a suitable engine, not to mention noise/emission issues.
It might happen, but I doubt it for the near term.



User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 1609 times:

Actually, I have heard that Boeing is now studying another Supersonic Aircraft. Hope it will succeed!

User currently offlineMark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 1599 times:

Yup be great to see, but.. lotta issues, to tackle. Not least of which huge development budgets, even for a small-sized jet! Lot of risk, maybe the Europeans or Russians might go for it though, with some overt or covert state backing and a fairly courageous attitude stuck to, by the design teams.

For guys in the States, seems there's an ongoing priority for development of just the X-33 prototype, which apparently the Air Force has now taken over, from Lockheed-Martin.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13168 posts, RR: 78
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

What an airliner? They could not wait to pull out of the HSCT project with NASA in 1999, when they realised that they may build an aircraft that met stage 3 noise requirements, but by the time it would enter service, stage 4 would be in force.
Plus the huge costs, and likely major objections from enviromentalists. (Hundreds of SST's at 60-70,000ft would not be good for the ozone layer, and Boeing, or anyone else, are not going to start a project unless they think they can build at least 300).
People bitched about Concorde, just 14 in service at most, even 20% less emissions than Concorde, which is what the HSCT team were looking at, would not be sufficent.
Then there's the sonic-boom problem, and it's a problem however much it's reduced.
Maybe this is a reference to a developed SC doing Mach 1.2?
Every few years the manufacturers produce SST proposals, I'll belive it when they start cutting metal.



User currently offlineAlaskaMVP From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 1598 times:

Alright! Go Dassault!!! With their vast experience this project should be a piece of cake for them. I know their is concern about noise, but a sonic boom from a small plane 12 miles above your head can't bother too many people.

If worse comes to worse, maybe they can compromise and fly supersonic only over relatively unihabited regions. Perhaps the US and Canada can designate supersonic corridors for travel cross country?


User currently offlineAlaskaMVP From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 1589 times:

One other point, Exec Jets, the world wide leader in fractional jet ownership (owned by Berkshire Hathaway, Warren Buffet's investment company) has already announced they would order several hundred supersonic exec jets from the first company to develop them. That should show what the level of demand is among existing executive airplane owners is, I'm guessing that Paul Allen alone will probably buy 3 or 4 for his air force...

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 1584 times:

After Boeing's expierence with their SST in the 60s, they won't build a new SST for a loooooooooong time.

User currently offlineAloha 737-200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 1586 times:

Alright!!!

However, isn't there already a European design to replace the Concorde? I thought it was the NG SST2007, which really does look sleek.

I also hear about an Aerospatiale Matra or something like that, but that one had no windows in the flight deck. Perhaps that killed the project?

But wow this is exciting news, it'd be great to see a Boeing supersonic jet, it'd be even better if it resembled the 1970s design!  Big thumbs up

Aloha 737-200!!  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13168 posts, RR: 78
Reply 11, posted (12 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1527 times:

Europe, led by EADS France and BAE Systems still produce proposals for SST's, but that's all they are.
Airbus a few years ago had the choice between a new SST and the A380, no matter what you may think of the superjumbo, who would doubt that Airbus has made the safer, more practical choice?


User currently offlineSSTjumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

I'm looking for a widebody SST aircraft personally.  Big grin

United Airline: Are you talking about the SC? That's supposed to cruise @ the sound barrier.


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (12 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1456 times:

Wasn't the reason that Boeing pulled out of the HCST program was because of the differences between two market studies done in 1996 and in 1999 where the first one said that passengers were willing to pay 25% more to fly faster and then later said that they wouldn't pay more?

Wasn't this 25% increase in fare the base for the entire research program? What makes a plane fly, money, right?

I like the idea of smaller SST's. Smaller size means a smaller mass to push, less fuel burn for less force required and since fuel makes up for most of the fare, there wouldn't be a need to increase it.

BTW: I'm sure the SC will either be cancelled or conservitized within a few years tops, that Valkyre-ski shape isn't going to last.

peace out dudes,

lehpron




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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (12 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1455 times:

The supersonic Biz-jet is probably the most likely aircraft catagory to be developed as a supersonic aircraft.

That is because time is money and there are quite a number companies that will be willing to spend the money on the aircraft and the fuel burn to get their executives back and forth as quickly as possible.

Since the Gulfstream/Sukhoi deal fell through, the Dassault team is the one with the best experience to develop this aircraft.



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (12 years 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1431 times:

SSTjumbo:

Nope. They are studying another Supersonic Aircraft.

Regards.


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