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DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?  
User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 524 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11177 times:

As the previous thread has been archived, I'll start this again.
There seems to have been a delay in ship #1602 (N1602) being completed as it has been at HAECO in HKG for two months now, which is 2-3 weeks longer than most of the previous aircraft have taken to be modded.
Also ship #174 (N174DN) has been out of service since Nov 3rd and ship #191 arrived in SIN (QPG?) on Nov 12. Is DL using QPG as a second line for the B763ERs now that the B744s have been completed (though N661US is at QPG for more mods, having already been partially done in PEK)?
Also ship #1607 (N1607B), which has already been modded, has been at QPG since Oct 20th; is it there for International WiFi installation? Answers please DL Flight Ops!

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User currently offlineplateman From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11192 times:

I'm flying DL107 in early March and very confused ... the seatmap you can select seats on has BE as 1-2-1, indicating a refresh cabin and PTV in Y.

But the 'view seats' during booking has 2-2-2 767L and says overhead TV in Y. Anyone have any tips to figure it out? I'm in Y.



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User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11189 times:

Ship #1602 (N1602) has managed to find it's way to ATL without showing up on FlightAware as having done any scheduled flights getting there! I wonder if it was ferried all the way; it certainly didn't fly from HKG-NRT-SFO-ATL as the last few modded aircraft have done. It's flights today are from ATL-JFK-FRA.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N1602


User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11185 times:

Ship #1603 (N1603) may be the next one to go into mods to replace ship #1602. It last flew from ATL-SFO on Nov 14th and according to FlightAware it hasn't flown since.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N1603


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11181 times:

Quoting audidudi (Reply 2):

It ferried HKG-ANC-ATL on the 18th.



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User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11179 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 4):

Thanks for the update! Any further information about my opening thread would be greatly appreciated also!


User currently offlinen515cr From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11192 times:

Quoting audidudi (Thread starter):
Also ship #174 (N174DN) has been out of service since Nov 3rd and ship #191 arrived in SIN (QPG?) on Nov 12.
Quoting audidudi (Reply 2):
Ship #1602 (N1602) has managed to find it's way to ATL without showing up on FlightAware as having done any scheduled flights getting there
Quoting audidudi (Reply 3):
hip #1603 (N1603) may be the next one to go into mods to replace ship #1602. It last flew from ATL-SFO on Nov 14th and according to FlightAware it hasn't flown since.
Quoting timf (Reply 7):
1705 has been completed, not 175. Also, 1605 and 1606 have been out of service since mid-October, presumably in mods.

[Corrected] Totals include aircraft in for mods:

76G C30W38Y140
All Ships: 1501-6, 1521 [7 aircraft]
Completed: 0/0 (0%)

76L C36W32Y143 (*35 Business for sale, 1 for crew rest)
All Ships: 171-172, 174-186, 1200-1201, 1601-1606, 1701-1708 [31 aircraft]
Completed: 1601-3, 174, 182, 1200-1201, 1605-6, 1705 - 11/31 (35.5%)

76T C36W29Y143
All Ships: 1607-1613 [7 aircraft]
Completed: 100%

76Z C26W29Y171 (*25 Business for sale, 1 for crew rest)
All Ships: 187-199 [13 aircraft]
Completed: 191, 199 - 2/13 (15.4%)

Total Complete: 20/58 (34.5%)

[Edited 2012-11-20 12:08:16]

User currently offlinetimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 971 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11181 times:
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Quoting n515cr (Reply 6):
Completed: 1601-3, 174-175, 182, 1200-1201 - 9/31 (29.0%)

1705 has been completed, not 175. Also, 1605 and 1606 have been out of service since mid-October, presumably in mods.


User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11183 times:
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When is N173DN coming out of storage?

User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10925 times:

So after five weeks at QPG, ship #1607 (N1607B) has finished it's mysterious visit there and is scheduled to fly out today to SIN and from there to NRT or be ferried to ANC-ATL presumably. But we have been unable to get any help here from DL Flight Ops contacts as to why it was in QPG in the first place. I have previously suggested that it might have been for the installation of International WiFi........oh well I'm sure we'll all find out eventually! In the meantime, FlightAware will undoubtedly update it's progress home!
Meanwhile it appears that ship #1603 (N1603) is replacing #1607 as it's on it's way to SIN, then presumably to QPG.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N1607B

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N1603

[Edited 2012-11-24 04:21:44]

User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10554 times:

What's the difference between 76G, 76L, 76T, and 76Z?

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10485 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 10):
What's the difference between 76G, 76L, 76T, and 76Z?

76G: 6 doors; high density config
76L: 4 doors; run of the mill 763ER
76T: 4 doors; 12-hour missions (lower lobe pilot crew rest)
76Z: 4 doors; high density config

Note all a/c will have a lower lobe F/A crew rest, flat-bed business elite seats with direct aisle access, nose-to-tail AVOD, reconfigured ATLAS galleys, etc.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10479 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 11):
76G: 6 doors; high density config
76L: 4 doors; run of the mill 763ER
76T: 4 doors; 12-hour missions (lower lobe pilot crew rest)
76Z: 4 doors; high density config

Note all a/c will have a lower lobe F/A crew rest, flat-bed business elite seats with direct aisle access, nose-to-tail AVOD, reconfigured ATLAS galleys, etc.

FYI, the 76Gs after mods will also be designated as 76Z and will have the same number of seats in both cabins as the rest of the 76Z fleet, with the only difference being the exit layouts.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10465 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 12):
FYI, the 76Gs after mods will also be designated as 76Z and will have the same number of seats in both cabins as the rest of the 76Z fleet, with the only difference being the exit layouts.

Cabin layout in Y will be SLIGHTLY different but yes

[Edited 2012-11-24 20:56:45]


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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10379 times:

I just flew on N182DL the other day, it's had been flying ATL-STR-ATL almost everyday for the past week. Flat beds were pretty comfortable coming back from STR.


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User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10053 times:

Does anybody know which type does the JFK-BCN run?

User currently offlineklkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 946 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9772 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 15):
Does anybody know which type does the JFK-BCN run?

I was just checking that yesterday and it was showing the old 767-300 with recliner seats in BE  


User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2194 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9679 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 12):
FYI, the 76Gs after mods will also be designated as 76Z and will have the same number of seats in both cabins as the rest of the 76Z fleet, with the only difference being the exit layouts.

How many seats will be in each cabin?

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 13):
Cabin layout in Y will be SLIGHTLY different but yes

Other than the door location how will the 76Z/old 76G differ than the six door 76Z?


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9538 times:

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 17):
How many seats will be in each cabin?

26 in Business Elite and 200 in steerage.

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 17):
Other than the door location how will the 76Z/old 76G differ than the six door 76Z?

If you're asking how will the 6-door 76Z differ from the 4-door 76Z then it's a slight variation in the seat patten in the front portion of the Y cabin. DL doesn't use the L2 door for boarding on the 76ERs but just for reference if you were to walk on the a/c at L2 the first thing you will hit turning right to get to your seat would be a set of lavs in the middle of the cabin; 2 rows of 2-2 seats on each side. On the 4 door 76Zs the lavs are about 7 rows back into coach.

[Edited 2012-11-26 23:13:51]


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User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9417 times:

Quoting klkla (Reply 16):

I hope that changes by next july

Quoting klkla (Reply 16):
I was just checking that yesterday and it was showing the old 767-300 with recliner seats in BE

I hope that changes by next july since I might be going that way and I'm going to want my own entertainment!


User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2194 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9328 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 18):
26 in Business Elite and 200 in steerage.

Thanks - so both flavors of the 76Z will have 29 EC and 171 standard Y?


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4973 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9314 times:
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Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 18):
DL doesn't use the L2 door for boarding on the 76ERs

I have boarded through L2 on the 76Gs in ATL (IIRC, at gate E1 once for an ATL-ZRH flight).

Quoting rj777 (Reply 15):
Does anybody know which type does the JFK-BCN run?

Currently in the winter, it is run with the non-refurbed 763ERs. The spring/summer equipment is far from finalized for now - it is currently defaulted to a 763, but DL has been using thed A330-300s on JFK-BCN for the past few summers now.

Quoting timf (Reply 7):
Also, 1605 and 1606 have been out of service since mid-October, presumably in mods.

Ship 1605 should be done now; it is scheduled to operate DL618 NRT-SFO tomorrow (Wed Nov 28). Seatmap for flight has been updated to reflect the new 1-2-1 config in Business.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9238 times:

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 20):
Thanks - so both flavors of the 76Z will have 29 EC and 171 standard Y?

Exactly.

Quoting panamair (Reply 21):
I have boarded through L2 on the 76Gs in ATL (IIRC, at gate E1 once for an ATL-ZRH flight).

Interesting.

I'd never seen it personally and didn't think it was something they did.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9157 times:

Are the 76Qs (NonER 763s) going into interior mods now that most of the 763ERs are done?

As I posted in the PHX thread I worked the ferry flight of tail 125 to ANC and from ANC the plane will go on to SIN, where the mods are being done, correct?



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9161 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 23):
Are the 76Qs (NonER 763s) going into interior mods now that most of the 763ERs are done?

As I posted in the PHX thread I worked the ferry flight of tail 125 to ANC and from ANC the plane will go on to SIN, where the mods are being done, correct?

The 76Qs already have AVOD. However, if you mean the new bins, panels, and lavatories, no they will not be getting such mods since they are planned to be retired soon. However, it has been stated that DL will be keeping the 76Ps (ETOPS domestic 763s, ships 1401-1404) for the Hawaii routes. However, I don't expect them to get such mods either anytime soon.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9287 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 24):

Ok, then what other reason would it go to SIN? Putting it in storage?



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User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9334 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 24):

If the domestic B763 fleet are not getting the interior mods, then what on earth is ship #125 (N125DL) going to SIN/QPG for?


User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2194 posts, RR: 5
Reply 27, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9543 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 24):
However, it has been stated that DL will be keeping the 76Ps (ETOPS domestic 763s, ships 1401-1404) for the Hawaii routes.

What is the range of these four birds? Since they are ETOPS could they do JFK-LHR?


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 28, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9542 times:

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 27):
What is the range of these four birds? Since they are ETOPS could they do JFK-LHR?

Yes, but since they don't have a BusinessElite cabin, I don't see DL deploying them on such route. They will probably mainly be used on LAX/SLC-HNL, with occasional positioning transcons to ATL.

[Edited 2012-11-27 14:47:08]


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User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2194 posts, RR: 5
Reply 29, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9511 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 28):
Yes, but since they don't have a BusinessElite cabin, I don't see DL deploying them on such route.



I realize that. I was entertaining the thought that Delta could update the cabins of the 76Ps to the high-density 76Z layout, giving all of the 767s a consistent interior. Since they would then have BusinessElite, then it would be possible to send them to SNN or even LHR. There would be a reduction in seats; however, Delta wouldnt' have to keep two sets of parts for the 'old' 767 interior vs. the new.


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (2 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9271 times:

So still no info why the 76Q, ship 125, went to SIN???


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 31, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9200 times:

The 76Qs are not getting interior mods. Let's be clear about that.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 23):
As I posted in the PHX thread I worked the ferry flight of tail 125 to ANC and from ANC the plane will go on to SIN, where the mods are being done, correct?

It's actually in NRT. Scheduled for SIN tomorrow.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 25):
Ok, then what other reason would it go to SIN? Putting it in storage?
Quoting audidudi (Reply 26):
If the domestic B763 fleet are not getting the interior mods, then what on earth is ship #125 (N125DL) going to SIN/QPG for?

Let's not get too excited. It's going to Singapore for some TLC. There are several maintenance items that will be looked at and then it will be returned to service when complete. I'll leave it at that.



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User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 32, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9135 times:
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Again I ask-----when is N173DN going to leave the desert?

User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9083 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 31):

Thanks for the info. Did not know heavy mx was done in SIN as well.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 34, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9099 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 33):
Thanks for the info. Did not know heavy mx was done in SIN as well.

Never said it was the there for an HMV. Just some stuff that will require it to be offline for a while.

767 HMVs are done in China.

[Edited 2012-11-28 17:35:25]


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User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8899 times:

What are these "several maintenance items that are being looked at that" that couldn't be done by Tech Ops in ATL, or at least closer to the mainland US? Why doesn't Tech Ops have the facilities to perform them to save the ferry flight costs to SIN/QPG, or is it still less expensive to send the aircraft to Asia because of their lower labour costs?

[Edited 2012-11-29 04:22:45]

[Edited 2012-11-29 05:04:27]

User currently offlinelotpilot16 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8765 times:

Does anybody have any information regarding the aircraft operating the ORD-CDG-ORD route? Currently it is showing as a B76L, any chance it will be swapped out to an updated aircraft with IFE?    Thanks in advanced!  

User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8700 times:

Quoting lotpilot16 (Reply 36):

It all depends on when you are travelling. All the B763ERs will be modded by early to mid 2013 according to what I've read.


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4973 posts, RR: 25
Reply 38, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8644 times:
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Quoting audidudi (Reply 37):
All the B763ERs will be modded by early to mid 2013

Nope. The current schedule calls for 43 of the 58 763ERs to be done by June 2013. This will still leave 15 to be done Fall 2013 through January 2014 (mods will stop June 2013, and restart Oct 2013).

Between now and June 2013, they will be cranking out on average 4 to 5 refurbs a month.


User currently offlinelotpilot16 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8524 times:

Quoting audidudi (Reply 37):

I'll be travelling on 23 Dec. I doubt it would be swapped, but I can only hope!


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 40, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8504 times:

Quoting audidudi (Reply 35):
What are these "several maintenance items that are being looked at that" that couldn't be done by Tech Ops in ATL, or at least closer to the mainland US? Why doesn't Tech Ops have the facilities to perform them to save the ferry flight costs to SIN/QPG, or is it still less expensive to send the aircraft to Asia because of their lower labour costs?

That's digging a little too deep. They sent it to SIN for a reason. That's a little above my head. Specifically why SIN and not TechOps or SEA or NRT or JFK IDK. I'm just telling you it's there for scheduled maintenance not interior mods. If someone else wants to post specifics then they can but i'm not 100% comfortable doing that.

[Edited 2012-11-29 16:56:54]


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User currently offlineTR1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 275 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8482 times:

What is the possibility of additional aircraft being modified to the 76Z configuration? It seems that this current economic environment of high fuel costs, downward pressure of yields, and high YC loads is here to stay. Could a less premium cabin-heavy aircraft allow routes such as JFK-Berlin or JFK-Manchester to return?

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 42, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8353 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 32):
Again I ask-----when is N173DN going to leave the desert?

As of right now it's not scheduled to be returned so most likely it's going to sit until they need it. When that is, who knows. It's most likely do for some sort of check that they're holding off on paying for until they need the capacity and right now they don't need it.



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User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8316 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 42):

It was also painted into the current colours almost two years ago and then sent straight back to the desert again! It's almost like DL had plans for it, otherwise why go to the expense of painting it instead of waiting until it was ready to return to service, and then giving it a fresh paint job at that time! Now it's had almost two year's worth of hot baking sunlight to fade the paint as it sits motionless!

[Edited 2012-11-30 05:52:02]

User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4973 posts, RR: 25
Reply 44, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8278 times:
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Ship 1606 (N16065) is now done with mods and is scheduled to fly NRT-SFO tomorrow (Dec 1).
This will be #16 of 58 completed (28% of fleet).


User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2194 posts, RR: 5
Reply 45, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8050 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 18):
If you're asking how will the 6-door 76Z differ from the 4-door 76Z then it's a slight variation in the seat patten in the front portion of the Y cabin. DL doesn't use the L2 door for boarding on the 76ERs but just for reference if you were to walk on the a/c at L2 the first thing you will hit turning right to get to your seat would be a set of lavs in the middle of the cabin; 2 rows of 2-2 seats on each side. On the 4 door 76Zs the lavs are about 7 rows back into coach.

On the 4-door 76Z will there be a hard divider / bulkhead between Business Elite and Economy? Also do the four-door 76Z have the 2 rows of 2-2 seats on each side of the lavatory also?


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Reply 46, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7965 times:
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Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 42):
As of right now it's not scheduled to be returned so most likely it's going to sit until they need it. When that is, who knows. It's most likely do for some sort of check that they're holding off on paying for until they need the capacity and right now they don't need it.

Thanks so much for this answer----it just did not make sense for it to be there for so long!!


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 47, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7980 times:

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 45):
On the 4-door 76Z will there be a hard divider / bulkhead between Business Elite and Economy? Also do the four-door 76Z have the 2 rows of 2-2 seats on each side of the lavatory also?

Yes and yes. BTW, you won't find soft dividers on any international a/c.



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User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7734 times:

Quoting audidudi (Reply 43):

Here's the most recent photo of ship #173 (N173DN) taken at VCV on Aug 4th 2012.

http://airteamimages.com/boeing-767_..._delta-air-lines_157042_large.html


User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 799 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7310 times:

Interesting tidbit from yesterday, the first of the fore-mentioned 763s with the 2 forward of the wing exits (N394DL, the ex-Asiana bird) flew to Narita yesterday and presumably to HKG or QPG from there.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N394DL

It seemed to fly as an extra SEA-NRT segment apart from the usual A330 that day.

Delta needs a few of these birds high density done by next year so they can put them on the LAX-JFK routes as advertised. They're also supposed to be used for the SEA-HND flight.

As far as I've gathered from flightaware, these are the planes currently in mods:

N185DN Last flight: Oct 23
N183DN Last flight: Oct 29
N174DN Last flight: Nov 2
N191DN Last flight: Nov 11
N1603 Last flight: Nov 24
N197DN Last flight: Nov 30

And now we can probably add N394DL to the list.


User currently offlineflyabr From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7220 times:

Gosh I hope the ATL-DUB route next September will have a refurbished bird!!  

User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (2 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6784 times:

What aircraft will be operating ATL-MAN on Dec 22?
Will it be with refurbished interiors and PTV in Y?
What about MAN-ATL on Dec. 30?


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 52, posted (2 years 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6705 times:

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 29):

I realize that. I was entertaining the thought that Delta could update the cabins of the 76Ps to the high-density 76Z layout, giving all of the 767s a consistent interior. Since they would then have BusinessElite, then it would be possible to send them to SNN or even LHR. There would be a reduction in seats; however, Delta wouldnt' have to keep two sets of parts for the 'old' 767 interior vs. the new.

The 76P/Q are in a true domestic config. The Y seats are the same Weber model on the 737s, the F seat is IIRC the same as the 737s also.
and they wont be sent to Europe because they are used to Hawaii

Quoting audidudi (Reply 35):
What are these "several maintenance items that are being looked at that" that couldn't be done by Tech Ops in ATL, or at least closer to the mainland US? Why doesn't Tech Ops have the facilities to perform them to save the ferry flight costs to SIN/QPG, or is it still less expensive to send the aircraft to Asia because of their lower labour costs?

TechOps can do anything Delta wants.......just so happens Delta enjoys outsourcing.



yep.
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 53, posted (2 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6475 times:

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 51):
What aircraft will be operating ATL-MAN on Dec 22?
Will it be with refurbished interiors and PTV in Y?
What about MAN-ATL on Dec. 30?

Standard 76G, sorry.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlinecv880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 54, posted (2 years 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6236 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 44):
Ship 1606 (N16065) is now done with mods and is scheduled to fly NRT-SFO tomorrow (Dec 1).
This will be #16 of 58 completed (28% of fleet).

FWIW, delta.com shows modified 767's on SFO-NRT flights as of Feb1.


User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (2 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6040 times:

Ship #174 (N174DN) is the latest to be modded and is operating DL 618 NRT-SFO tomorrow (Dec 19th). An interesting observation is that it has been completed before ships #185 (N185DN) and #183 (N183DN) which went in to mods ten days and four days ahead respectively. All three already had winglets installed, so I wonder why it got modded quicker?

User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 814 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (2 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5863 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 40):
That's digging a little too deep. They sent it to SIN for a reason. That's a little above my head. Specifically why SIN and not TechOps or SEA or NRT or JFK IDK. I'm just telling you it's there for scheduled maintenance not interior mods. If someone else wants to post specifics then they can but i'm not 100% comfortable doing that.

I think it's in for the "stealth mod" to make it disappear on FlightAware so people stop obsessing with it.  



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User currently offlinen515cr From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (2 years 10 hours ago) and read 5586 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 44):
Ship 1606 (N16065) is now done with mods and is scheduled to fly NRT-SFO tomorrow (Dec 1).
Quoting audidudi (Reply 55):
Ship #174 (N174DN) is the latest to be modded and is operating DL 618 NRT-SFO tomorrow (Dec 19th). An interesting observation is that it has been completed before ships #185 (N185DN) and #183 (N183DN) which went in to mods ten days and four days ahead respectively. All three already had winglets installed, so I wonder why it got modded quicker?

76G C30W38Y140
All Ships: 1501-6, 1521 [7 aircraft]
Completed or in Mod: 0/0 (0%)

76L C36W32Y143 (*35 Business for sale, 1 for crew rest)
All Ships: 171-172, 174-186, 1200-1201, 1601-1606, 1701-1708 [31 aircraft]
Completed or in Mod: 1601-3, 174, 182-3, 185, 1200-1201, 1603, 1605-6, 1705 = 12/31 (38.7%)

76T C36W29Y143
All Ships: 1607-1613 [7 aircraft]
Completed: 100%

76Z C26W29Y171 (*25 Business for sale, 1 for crew rest)
All Ships: 187-199 [13 aircraft]
Completed or in Mod: 191, 199 = 2/13 (15.4%)

Total Complete: 21/58 (36.2%)

*There may be others in for mod that I'm not privy to...
As stated previously, please correct if wrong!


User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 799 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (2 years 9 hours ago) and read 5517 times:

Quoting n515cr (Reply 57):
76G C30W38Y140
All Ships: 1501-6, 1521 [7 aircraft]
Completed or in Mod: 0/0 (0%)

N394DL went to Asia on December 8th. I would assume it's getting the new seats.


User currently offlinen515cr From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (2 years 6 hours ago) and read 5438 times:

Quoting SR117 (Reply 58):
N394DL went to Asia on December 8th. I would assume it's getting the new seats.

76G C30W38Y140
All Ships: 1501-6, 1521 [7 aircraft]
Completed or in Mod: 1521* = 1/7 (14.3%)

76L C36W32Y143 (*35 Business for sale, 1 for crew rest)
All Ships: 171-172, 174-186, 1200-1201, 1601-1606, 1701-1708 [31 aircraft]
Completed or in Mod: 1601-3, 174, 182-3*, 185, 1200-1201, 1603, 1605-6, 1705 = 12/31 (38.7%)

76T C36W29Y143
All Ships: 1607-1613 [7 aircraft]
Completed: 100%

76Z C26W29Y171 (*25 Business for sale, 1 for crew rest)
All Ships: 187-199 [13 aircraft]
Completed or in Mod: 191*, 199 = 2/13 (15.4%)

Total Complete: 22/58 (37.9%)

-There may be others in for mod that I'm not privy to...
-Aircraft that are either in mod or presumed to be in mod are indicated with a *
As stated previously, please correct if wrong!


User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2194 posts, RR: 5
Reply 60, posted (2 years 3 hours ago) and read 5333 times:

Quoting n515cr (Reply 59):
76G C30W38Y140

This is incorrect. The 76G is also going to have the 76Z configuration of C26W29Y171 (*25 Business for sale, 1 for crew rest)


User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 61, posted (2 years ago) and read 5187 times:

Well, looks like the non-stop ATL-BCN goes to A330 effective end of March.

User currently offlineBDL757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 62, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5114 times:

Quoting n515cr (Reply 59):
76L C36W32Y143 (*35 Business for sale, 1 for crew rest)
Quoting n515cr (Reply 59):
76T C36W29Y143

How come the 76T will have 3 less seats in Y than the 76L?


User currently offlinelotpilot16 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5105 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 53):
Standard 76G, sorry.

Would you be able to tell me if DL593 CDG-ORD on 23 Dec will be refurbished or the 76G?
Thanks in advanced!   


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4973 posts, RR: 25
Reply 64, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5120 times:
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Quoting BDL757 (Reply 62):
How come the 76T will have 3 less seats in Y than the 76L?

The 76T has separate pilot rest bunk facilities whereas the 76Ls don't. The pilot rest seat on the 76L will be a BusinessElite seat instead; so there are 3 extra seats in the space that is used for the pilot bunks on the 76T.

Total complete now: 18 out of 58. The two latest to fly back to the US after completion of mods were ship 174 and ship 185; both are 76Ls.


User currently offlinepqdtw From Netherlands, joined Aug 2008, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5034 times:

Quoting lotpilot16 (Reply 63):
Would you be able to tell me if DL593 CDG-ORD on 23 Dec will be refurbished or the 76G?
Thanks in advanced!   

The schedule is showing as a generic 76ER, which means it is not a 76T that day. I originally posted that it was a 76T, but I accidentally looked up the flight for tomorrow instead of the 23rd. That said, it's always subject to change.

[Edited 2012-12-20 04:55:02] But at any rate, it's not the 76G.

[Edited 2012-12-20 04:55:52]

User currently offlineericaasen From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 66, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4775 times:

Quoting lotpilot16 (Reply 63):
Would you be able to tell me if DL593 CDG-ORD on 23 Dec will be refurbished or the 76G?

Well, 593/592 was operated with a 76T ship 1611 today. It was an equipment swap so you might get lucky.


User currently offlinelotpilot16 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4705 times:

Quoting pqdtw (Reply 65):
The schedule is showing as a generic 76ER, which means it is not a 76T that day. I originally posted that it was a 76T, but I accidentally looked up the flight for tomorrow instead of the 23rd. That said, it's always subject to change.
Quoting ericaasen (Reply 66):
Well, 593/592 was operated with a 76T ship 1611 today. It was an equipment swap so you might get lucky.

Thank you! Hope I get lucky!!   


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 68, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4606 times:

Quoting audidudi (Reply 9):
But we have been unable to get any help here from DL Flight Ops contacts as to why it was in QPG in the first place.

Mods have been done in QPG, that is where most of the 744's were done.



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User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4554 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 68):

But it was previously modded by HAECO in HKG, so you haven't answered the question as to why ships #1607 and now #1608 have now gone to QPG. For what mods, please?

[Edited 2012-12-21 08:10:57]

User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4227 times:

Quoting lotpilot16 (Reply 63):

DL593 from CDG-ORD on Dec 23rd is being operated by ship #1705 (N175DZ), so you got an early Xmas present of a modded aircraft!


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