fun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 839 posts, RR: 1 Posted (6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7803 times:
- What is the fate of the long term City onsite parking lot? It's crumbling badly.
- Haven't heard lately about the CIty purchasing the Sheraton and tearing it down for a new long term parking lot? That was something we heard from Airport management as a possibility.
- They aren't pulling out as everyone on a.net predicted
- Few new destinations added: OKC, BNA, etc. Any others for 2013?
- Other UA updates?
- Frontier adding DEN
- DL added LGA
- Will WN remain or go all in at CAK?
- New construction of the ATC tower updates?
- 2013 volume projections? Ohio just announced 6.9% unemployment so things are going in the right direction.
- Will the opening of Medical Mart in October 2013 mean anything to CLE?
- Onsite gas station by the rental car return center?
I'm liking where we rank compared to many of the A.netter "darling" cities, but ignorant A.netters will continue to cling to the 30 year old image of the so called "rustbelt" bestowed upon the region primarily due to steel industry reduction decades ago.
UA opinion: substituting destinations similar to the way CO always did and getting a little publicity, beyond that, no news is good news for now.
Medical Mart won't increase CLE O&D to a measurable amount. CLE is in the middle of a huge population base more easily accessed by driving rather than facing the cost effectiveness of CLE being a high airfare airport and the overall increase in travel time from A to B via airlines, whether it be due to connections or security, etc... Probably the biggest impacts that generate relatively low O&D for a metro area it's size, except for the CAK alternative and to an extent PIT ((both airports advertise in the market)
Glad there's been a couple blips of new service from DL and F9, first such stuff in years
n797mx From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 96 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7832 times:
I just flew out of CLE last week and through the Bravo yesterday and I can attest it it pretty dead there comparatively. I was there for three hours and only saw maybe ten planes take off or land in that period. IMO I think it should be a Class C airport since not many go in and out.
Frontier only added DEN to CLE because WN moved into CAK with flights to Denver and were underpricing them.
WN should remain at CLE because I don't think CAK has the capacity to handle what Southwest would bring. Plus the flight students at Kent State University fly into there all the time and it would cause some delays they wouldn't like... (Not my fault )
mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22707 posts, RR: 88 Reply 3, posted (6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7826 times:
Quoting n797mx (Reply 2): Frontier only added DEN to CLE because WN moved into CAK with flights to Denver and were underpricing them.
The switch from CAK to CLE because Frontier has to have at aircraft at CLE for the CUN/PUJ services and it was expensive to split it over two airports. It previously had to fly non-revs to get the aircraft to CLE.
ncflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 446 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7811 times:
I will tell you what's new in cle. Airfares, they are sky high outrageous. It used to be that PIT residents would make the two hour drive to CLE to save some serious change, Now it's completely reversed. I am flying To LGA from NE Ohio in a couple weeks, and if I had the time, which I don't, I'd literally save 50% driving to Erie and connecting back in CLE. I guess higher prices are good news for the carriers, but not great for us residents.
If UA ever dehubs CLE and WN decides to expand there's not much room at CAK without building out. It makes sense for WN to keep their limited presence at the B concourse and see what happens. Also, if UA an WN walk out of CLE it would invite another carrier into the market in no time. It makes sense for WN to stay.
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4721 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7811 times:
Quoting joeman (Reply 1): Medical Mart won't increase CLE O&D to a measurable amount.
Two premier companies, GE and Johnson Controls said they are setting up the equivalent of "national salesrooms" in the MM, which is exactly the reason it was initially proposed. JC said it's extremely difficult to take potential customers to a working hospital - that the CLE facility will work much better for them. Given the price of even trivial medical projects, the added cost of a plane ticket to CLE for a facilities preview will be insignificant.
If things work the way JC and GE are planning, they will boost traffic - not mega-growth, but a nice piece of high-end business.
Just me: the MM is going to be far more successful that people expect.
Highflier92660 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 591 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7810 times:
There is just something about the word Cleveland that brings out Pavlovian reactions in some people. Cleveland, the city who's sports teams snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and who's vibrant nightlife make the Australian Outback look like Miami's South Beach by comparison. Yet I will resist the equally cliché rebuttal retorted by we thin-skinned folks that were born there. I will not mention the international corporate ties, the Cleveland Clinic or the cultural scene including the Cleveland Orchestra that can play a Respighi's The Pines of Rome with the best of 'em. Oh I just did.
As for CLE, that temporary parking garage built sometime in the early 70s still stands. It is south of the Sheraton and may appear crumbling but is entering its fourth decade of use. That is remarkable for a structure the Plain Dealer described as temporary.
I have never heard anything about the city of Cleveland purchasing the Sheraton Hopkins and tearing it down. That hotel has been on that property since the 1960s and has been through many phases and renovations. At one time the top floor of the Sheraton was the home of a nightclub called "The Final Approach" and is now an excellent executive floor of rooms to watch aircraft take-off and land.
greenair727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 442 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7807 times:
Quoting cle757: The aiport is waiting for approval from the FAA to get a new customs/FIS among other improvements.
That's great to hear. Two responses.
1. Why is FAA approval needed --- is it so they would pay for it or some other regulatory issue?
2. That's great for CLE. For LH, UA, BA or whomever, it makes the city a more attractive port of entry. CLE, IMO, could surely support service to LHR, FRA, AMS, MEX, and perhaps a few others. The economy, and UA's preference for EWR, killed CLE's LHR (and previously LGW) service. The FIS is probably the singlemost urgent need for CLE right now.
Quoting MasseyBrown: Just me: the MM is going to be far more successful that people expect.
I agree here. Also, the MM was the impetus for the new convention center, which will definitely increase traffic to/from the city.
Also, the city is in the early stages of developing land on the SW section of BKL for office development--that may have the potential to increase demand at Burke for service some 5 or so years from now, beyond air taxi operations. It'd be great to get a scheduled carrier back in there--for at least for LGA, MDW, and DTW.
COSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1473 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7809 times:
CO now UA has some deal with CLE to have right of resusal for BKL they get the chance to serve the route before BKL can be used by others...so if airline B wants to run BKL-LGA the UA gets first crack if they refuse then B can start BKL-LGA
fun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 839 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7808 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 19): My question is what affect will the energy boom in Northeast Ohio have on the Cleveland economy and airtravel, any?
Was anyone every able to verify the OKC flight was directly related to the energy shale boom?
Quoting STT757 (Reply 19): While another trans-Atlantic flight would be nice, I think the FIS will mostly be handling flights to Cancun, Dominica Republic etc..
Well, it at least takes the " you dont have a good FIS facility out of the excuse list". Once TATL rebounds in 2014, I'd guess there is some potential even if CLE has to waive fees or what not to entice someone to do so. Might be a good announcement in Oct 2013 when the MM opens for a 2014 start.
With the Sherwin Williams major acquisition in MEX, I wonder if that will be enough volume to finally see a daily direct flight vs. all via IAH. I know researched extensively under CO.
greenair727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 442 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7806 times:
Quoting fun2fly: With the Sherwin Williams major acquisition in MEX, I wonder if that will be enough volume to finally see a daily direct flight vs. all via IAH. I know researched extensively under CO.
A while back, AM had applied for and received operating authority on CLE-MEX. They kept this authority active for a few years, then finally let it lapse just recently, maybe around 2007. There's a lot of trade between Ohio (not sure what part) and Mexico; the Sherwin-Williams deal likely adds to the pot. Would be great to see a CLE-MEX.
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4721 posts, RR: 7 Reply 22, posted (6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7807 times:
I'm not sure how much, if anything, the Feds would put up for new customs and immigration, although they do pay for almost all runway and tower work. The last time CO was interested in FIS, the projected cost was $3-5 million. The current Master Plan shows a 2015-17 timeframe for some kind of Concourse C facility.
The airport's debt level jumped $50 million in 2011. Does anybody know what that went for? AirMall construction? The 2012 FAA numbers aren't out yet and the city doesn't release much useful data.