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User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2947 posts, RR: 53
Posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3917 times:
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The aviation scene in South Korea is often overlooked on airliners.net, perhaps in part due to language barriers that preclude many Korean aviation enthusiasts from participating in the forums.

There was one South Korean aviation master thread back in 2007, and there hasn't been one ever since. Here it is: South Korea Aviation Thread # 1 (by 747Dreamlifter Dec 17 2007 in Civil Aviation)

The past few months have been very exciting for Korean aviation, so I thought I'd give it a shot as well. If it ends up flopping, ah well.

Here are some topics that relate to recent happenings in Korean aviation:

- Korean Air's once strong fleet of A300s is now down to three, and the last ones will retire early next year. Korean Air has operated the type for 37 years and was Airbus' first customer outside of Europe.

- British Airways 6x weekly LHR-ICN service will commence on December 2nd.

- American Airlines has announced new service from DFW to ICN.

- Korean Air will launch a 3x weekly ICN-CMB-MLE service in March of next year.

- Korean Air is strongly rumored to launch ICN-LIM service next year. However, no aircraft in KE's fleet is capable of flying the route nonstop, and it is yet unknown as to which stopover point KE will use for the route.

- Korean Air will drop Melbourne service next spring. It is unclear whether this is a seasonal drop, but as it stands now KE is facing a shortage of wide body aircraft.

- Korean Air will go daily to DFW next may, which will result in a frequency of 14x per week between ICN and DFW.

- On certain days in January, Korean Air will offer up to 1,331 daily seats to LAX and 814 to JFK.

- Korean Air will upgauge its new Yangon service from a 737-800 to an A330-300, and increase frequency to daily from 4x weekly.

- Asiana Airlines plans to go daily to ORD (finally) next summer. Asiana has faced a chronic shortage of widebody aircraft recently.


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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3918 times:

Korean aviation update would have been better as it would not involve the risk of flopping nor expectations of continuing on a regular basis, I dont know why people havent done this for their unsuccesful country related threads, Sri Lankan, North Korean, Armenian, Lebanese, Japanese, Chinese, Malaysian were some.

Hope your thread is succesful.

Any thing new on Korean air network expansion? what about KE Cargo routes? any new ones coming.


User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2947 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3920 times:
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Quoting 777way (Reply 1):
Korean aviation update would have been better as it would not involve the risk of flopping nor expectations of continuing on a regular basis, I dont know why people havent done this for their unsuccesful country related threads, Sri Lankan, North Korean, Armenian, Lebanese, Japanese, Chinese, Malaysian were some.

Good idea, point taken.

Quoting 777way (Reply 1):
Hope your thread is succesful.

Thanks!

Quoting 777way (Reply 1):
Any thing new on Korean air network expansion? what about KE Cargo routes? any new ones coming.

There have been rumors about a certain city in Northern California, but nothing has come to fruition yet.

Not sure about cargo routes, but KE is due to take delivery of a 748F next year. Hopefully that will free up some aircraft for expansion.



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User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
- Korean Air will drop Melbourne service next spring. It is unclear whether this is a seasonal drop, but as it stands now KE is facing a shortage of wide body aircraft.

As a Melbourne boy it is very sad to see this beautie disappear from our skies, along with the KE girls gliding through the terminal. I hope to see it return when KE have enough capacity. I would have thought MEL would have been a big enough market for a Korean airline. Obviously not.


User currently offlinechootie From Germany, joined May 2007, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

I am still hoping for that OZ non-stop ICN-IAD!!!!!! wishful thinking but ......         


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User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2947 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3922 times:
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Quoting smi0006 (Reply 3):
As a Melbourne boy it is very sad to see this beautie disappear from our skies, along with the KE girls gliding through the terminal. I hope to see it return when KE have enough capacity. I would have thought MEL would have been a big enough market for a Korean airline. Obviously not.

I am hoping to see it return as well. It's just that Korea-Australia traffic is very seasonal.

Quoting chootie (Reply 4):

I am still hoping for that OZ non-stop ICN-IAD!!!!!! wishful thinking but ......

Asiana has mentioned that it plans to add new destinations in the US in the near future, subject to aircraft procurement.

Not sure about IAD, but the IAH and PHL airport authorities have been in talks with Asiana for new service.



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User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3921 times:
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Congrats and good luck for this thread!!!

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
Korean Air's once strong fleet of A300s is now down to three, and the last ones will retire early next year.

Which aircraft types are used to replace the A300 flights?

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
Asiana has faced a chronic shortage of widebody aircraft recently.

Will the airline order new planes or will they (wet/dry) lease additional aircraft to cope with the shortage?

Also, how are the other airlines (Air Busan, Jin Air, Jeju Air, etc) doing?



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User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2947 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3919 times:
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Quoting TK1244 (Reply 6):
Congrats and good luck for this thread!!!

Thanks!

Quoting TK1244 (Reply 6):
Which aircraft types are used to replace the A300 flights?
KE started basing some 747-400s at Gimpo Airport (Seoul's regional airport) to replace flights previously operated by A300s. For the A300 routes that flew out of Busan and Jeju, it seems like most of the A300 flying has been replaced by a mix of 737-900s and A330-300s.

Quoting TK1244 (Reply 6):
Will the airline order new planes or will they (wet/dry) lease additional aircraft to cope with the shortage?

Asiana is expected to take (a much needed) delivery of a couple of 777-200ERs and A330-300s next year. For the longer term, they have 30 A350s on order.

Quoting TK1244 (Reply 6):
Also, how are the other airlines (Air Busan, Jin Air, Jeju Air, etc) doing?

Jeju Air has recently started flights to Guam, and Air Busan recently took delivery of an A320. They seem to be doing reasonably well, although they have recently started to face a lot more competition on their Japan routes from Peach and Air Asia Japan.

[Edited 2012-11-18 16:53:16]


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
- Korean Air will go daily to DFW next may, which will result in a frequency of 14x per week between ICN and DFW.
Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
- American Airlines has announced new service from DFW to ICN.

I wonder how well this route will do. How's the loads with the current KE service? Obviously good enough to warrant daily service.


Also: Any updates on the DL and KE operations? Is this supposed to be a J.V. or something else? Will we see additional DL ops at ICN, or is it just in relation to KE's service?

Thanks for the thread! Look forward to some great reads!



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User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3919 times:
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Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 7):
KE started basing some 747-400s at Gimpo Airport

I did expected the 737 and A330 as replacement, but not the 747. Are the loads that good on these flights?

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 7):
Asiana is expected to take (a much needed) delivery of a couple of 777-200ERs and A330-300s next year. For the longer term, they have 30 A350s on order.

How many are on order? (According to Wikipedia only 1 77L and 2 A333)

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 7):
Jeju Air has recently started flights to Guam, and Air Busan recently took delivery of an A320. They seem to be doing reasonably well, although they have recently started to face a lot more competition on their Japan routes from Peach and Air Asia Japan.

Good to hear that they are doing well.

I noticed that Korean Air has some Bombardier CS300 on order. At the moment, the smallest plane used in Korea are the 737 and A320 planes. Jeju Air retired its Bombardier Q-Series turboprops and Yeongnam Air operating a single Fokker 100 regional jet went bankrupt. Why aren't there regional props or jets used in Korea and could Korean Air make a success of the Bombardier C-series?



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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8644 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

Has anyone heard of a Korean Air A330 that had a very heavy landing into ICN, I understand the aircraft was operating BNE-ICN flight around 2-3 months ago ?


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User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3919 times:

I think another big news is Jin air's Okinawa entrance next month. It used to be Asiana's territory since 1992, but KE is about to invade. Asiana and KE has been splitting pies and enjoying super-high fare. For example,
Asiana's territory: Okinawa, Sendai, Saipan
KE's pie: Sapporo, Guam
Now multiple LCCs are shaking up all those monopoly cash cows, thankfully.

TG wants to add BKK-ICN-LAX frequency (currently 4/w and that's maximum allowed) but Korean government doesn't permit additional 5th freedom. Thailand is threatening that they may reduce allowed number of airlines into Thailand, but we'll see where it goes. TG is doing well on ICN-LAX.

EK wants to add 2nd DXB-ICN (it's been a while), but also blocked by Korean government which heavily lobbied by KE.

Peach, Air Asia Japan, and many LCCs from Philippine and Thailand are approaching Korean market, and Air Asia will increase to 11/w (from 1 daily) next summer. However, there are so many news articles about how bad foreign LCCs are and what should a traveler prepare when taking a foreign LCC, and it's not really cheap, etc. These airlines will face some of these problems until stabilize all.

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
- Asiana Airlines plans to go daily to ORD (finally) next summer. Asiana has faced a chronic shortage of widebody aircraft recently.

I wouldn't believe this news yet. Asiana loaded and scrapped this plan this year. I guess codesharing with UA should precede. Why UA won't codeshare Asiana's ORD-ICN anyway?

Quoting TK1244 (Reply 6):
Also, how are the other airlines (Air Busan, Jin Air, Jeju Air, etc) doing?

Air Busan and Jin Air are doing fine as they belong to the established airlines. All others began to earn money recently, and the only troublesome airline is T-way which has been in M&A market for more than a year. Tiger and Air Asia both tried to invest on T-way, but KE+OZ+Jeju air all lobbied very well and blocked successfully.

Quoting TK1244 (Reply 9):
How many are on order? (According to Wikipedia only 1 77L and 2 A333)

I think Asiana will add 1 772 and 1 333 in 2013 along with a few 321. KE, in the meantime, plans 2 380 (#7 and #8), 2 77W, 2 332, 1 748F, and a few 738, in 2013. Plans may change and even wikipedia is not reliable because Asiana leases a lot recently.


User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2947 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3919 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8):
I wonder how well this route will do. How's the loads with the current KE service? Obviously good enough to warrant daily service.

Unfortunately I don't have any load factor information for that route. Hopefully our resident analysts will be able to provide more information.

It is expected that KE will carry the bulk of the leisure traffic and AA will handle the majority of the business traffic.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8):
Also: Any updates on the DL and KE operations? Is this supposed to be a J.V. or something else? Will we see additional DL ops at ICN, or is it just in relation to KE's service?

The announcement was made very recently, so there aren't enough details about it yet. I would assume it's a joint venture since Korean Air and Delta already have anti-trust immunity.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8):
Thanks for the thread! Look forward to some great reads!

Thanks for reading  
Quoting TK1244 (Reply 9):
I did expected the 737 and A330 as replacement, but not the 747. Are the loads that good on these flights?

Not too sure about the loads, but without the A300s on the Gimpo-Jeju route, KE will be short on capacity for that route. Gimpo-Jeju is the world's busiest air route with 9.9 million passengers annually.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2012/05/daily-chart-8

Quoting TK1244 (Reply 9):
How many are on order? (According to Wikipedia only 1 77L and 2 A333)

Looks like that's it for next year. The A380s will arrive in two years. That should free up some 777s and allow the last 744s to be retired.

Quoting TK1244 (Reply 9):
Why aren't there regional props or jets used in Korea and could Korean Air make a success of the Bombardier C-series?

KE did have F-28s in the distant past that served smaller regional airports, but the proliferation of high speed rail and better ground transport infrastructure made those routes unviable. KE and OZ already have big 737 and 320 fleets respectively that are used very flexibly on both domestic and short haul international flights. Keeping a small, separate fleet of RJs or props would be unviable unless KE contracted out some of their flying.

The granddaddy of all domestic routes in Korea would be Gimpo-Jeju. There's around 95-105 flights a day each way between those cities. Capacity is key on this route and the proliferation of RJs would cause havoc. There's departures every 10-15 minutes on various airlines with 737s and even A330s and 747s.

There's one or two B1900D operators in Korea running scheduled services to Tsushima island in Japan.

Korean Air ordered the larger CS300 series which should serve them well to secondary cities in Japan and China, as well as some trunk domestic routes.

Quoting zeke (Reply 10):

Has anyone heard of a Korean Air A330 that had a very heavy landing into ICN, I understand the aircraft was operating BNE-ICN flight around 2-3 months ago ?

Haven't heard of it, but all KE long haul A330s were in revenue service this month, so any damage incurred must have been fixed by now.



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User currently offlinepuercaeli From South Korea, joined Sep 2008, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

Thanks for reactivating this thread. Hoping for thread like this..

My question is why did get rid of all 77W from LAX ICN line for Jan? Was this just in anticipation that they will be introducing second A380?

And whilst on topic of VLA what is KE's plan for 744 retirement? With the newest 744 being leased to Kr government age of youngest 744 is 15 and many approaching 20years mark. How long will we see them flying for?


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7322 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 5):
Not sure about IAD, but the IAH and PHL airport authorities have been in talks with Asiana for new service.

I know the city of Houston sent a delegation to Seoul to ask for service. I read an article where one of the members said something to the effect of "If Dallas has service to Korea, then we should too!". Not a very good argument, but thats a very typical attitude of many Houstonians.

Looking at O&D data, IAH-ICN is not a particularly large market and not much larger than AUS-ICN, so it would depend on connections beyond ICN and IAH. The IAH based market could no doubt help fill the plane with traffic to China, Vietnam, and MNL, but I dont know what purpose the IAH hub serves that cant already be attained elsewhere.

Time will tell if they are successful.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8):
I wonder how well this route will do. How's the loads with the current KE service? Obviously good enough to warrant daily service.

During the Spring, Summer, and Fall, DFW-ICN has loads in the 80's.

That said, I dont know if 2x daily is sustainable for DFW-ICN, but it might be. AA runs 2x daily on DFW-NRT and DFW-ICN is a much larger local market. Plus I think KE and AA are going after too different audiences. KE is more popular with Asia based traffic and DFW's Asian ethnic community. AA is going to be more targeted towards American based business traffic.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3920 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
During the Spring, Summer, and Fall, DFW-ICN has loads in the 80's.

I see, thanks.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):

That said, I dont know if 2x daily is sustainable for DFW-ICN, but it might be. AA runs 2x daily on DFW-NRT and DFW-ICN is a much larger local market. P

Yeah we will definitely have to wait and see.


Does this thread pertain to JS/DPRK as well?   

Does JS have any more 204s on order?



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User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3920 times:

Quoting puercaeli (Reply 13):
And whilst on topic of VLA what is KE's plan for 744 retirement? With the newest 744 being leased to Kr government age of youngest 744 is 15 and many approaching 20years mark. How long will we see them flying for?

Out of 16 (15?) KE 744, 3 is being retired this year (not sure exact number, though), and others will follow once 380, 77W and 748i arrive. Thus, we will see 744 until at least 2015/16. KE recently added more Y and reduced C on 3 744 for lower yield routes (MXP, FCO, KUL, GUM). KE is also retiring 744 BCF and replace them by 748 F.


User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2947 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3919 times:
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Quoting puercaeli (Reply 13):
My question is why did get rid of all 77W from LAX ICN line for Jan? Was this just in anticipation that they will be introducing second A380?

I think KE61/62 will still be a 77W.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
I know the city of Houston sent a delegation to Seoul to ask for service. I read an article where one of the members said something to the effect of "If Dallas has service to Korea, then we should too!". Not a very good argument, but thats a very typical attitude of many Houstonians.

Rumors of IAH-ICN go as far back as 2005. With CO's defection to Star and subsequent merger with UA, it's far less likely now.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
Does this thread pertain to JS/DPRK as well?

I guess so, although I'm no expert.

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 11):
I think another big news is Jin air's Okinawa entrance next month. It used to be Asiana's territory since 1992, but KE is about to invade. Asiana and KE has been splitting pies and enjoying super-high fare. For example,
Asiana's territory: Okinawa, Sendai, Saipan
KE's pie: Sapporo, Guam
Now multiple LCCs are shaking up all those monopoly cash cows, thankfully.

Asiana is also getting VVO.

Maybe KE should get CTU, CKG, UUS while OZ should get ULN, CTS and WUH.

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 11):
TG wants to add BKK-ICN-LAX frequency (currently 4/w and that's maximum allowed) but Korean government doesn't permit additional 5th freedom. Thailand is threatening that they may reduce allowed number of airlines into Thailand, but we'll see where it goes. TG is doing well on ICN-LAX.

I'm sick of KE and OZ charging astronomical fares from North America. Really hope that the Korean government will grant TG more frequencies.

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 11):
EK wants to add 2nd DXB-ICN (it's been a while), but also blocked by Korean government which heavily lobbied by KE.

Hopefully this won't escalate to what happened between the UAE and Canada. Did EK and KE stop codesharing recently?

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 11):
I wouldn't believe this news yet. Asiana loaded and scrapped this plan this year. I guess codesharing with UA should precede. Why UA won't codeshare Asiana's ORD-ICN anyway?
UA or AA ORD-ICN would be awesome, but sadly I doubt it will ever become reality.

I'd also like to see EWR-ICN on UA.

[Edited 2012-11-18 20:22:27]


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User currently offlinewinglets747 From Australia, joined Mar 2007, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3921 times:
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Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 11):
there are so many news articles about how bad foreign LCCs are and what should a traveler prepare when taking a foreign LCC, and it's not really cheap, etc. These airlines will face some of these problems until stabilize all.

Could you list some of those articles? Not doubting you - just interested to read them.



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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8644 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3920 times:

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 12):
Haven't heard of it, but all KE long haul A330s were in revenue service this month, so any damage incurred must have been fixed by now.

Does BNE only get long haul A330s ? Seen different ones down there as well as the odd 777. The sort of hard landing I hear of being reported would probably have required a landing gear change.



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User currently offlinepuercaeli From South Korea, joined Sep 2008, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3920 times:

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 16):

Thank you for the info!

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 3):

Surprisee that MEL traffic dried up.. I guess even when SYD gets 772 in off seasons it musr be difficult for the other routes. I think SYD route is largely students driven seeing that peak is around Aus summer holiday time no?


User currently offlineSPIM2EDDN From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3919 times:

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
- Korean Air is strongly rumored to launch ICN-LIM service next year. However, no aircraft in KE's fleet is capable of flying the route nonstop, and it is yet unknown as to which stopover point KE will use for the route.



That is right, KE already has cargo operations at LIM and a couple of days ago an airline representative in Lima told a local newspaper the ICN-LIM service could start between March and June 2013. The final decision regarding frequencies, equipment and stop-over would be made in December.

The Korea-Peru bilateral grants Korean airlines 5th freedom rights for the following cities: ATL, MEX, LAX, JFK, SFO and SEA.

In my opinion if this ever happens it would probably be via LAX...


User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2910 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3919 times:

Hello from the country across the Korea Strait.

Any news on when KE will take delivery of their 1st 748i?

Any news of when the last few Asiana 763s are to go? They are getting up there in age.

Starting winter schedule KE has added a fourth daily ICN-FUK. The aircraft RONs at FUK.
It would be nice to see GMP-FUK added in the near future.

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 11):
I think Asiana will add 1 772

So weird that any airline, with exception of NH's new domestic 772ERs, that an airline is taking delivery of 772s.
I suppose it would be even odder to have a few GE-powered 777s, since OZ has only PW-powered ones.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

Is KE still operating wide bodies to Vladivostok 772, A330, 747, what was the reason for this big upgrade of capacity from 737

User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3918 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 23):
Is KE still operating wide bodies to Vladivostok 772, A330, 747, what was the reason for this big upgrade of capacity from 737

From the recent aviation talk, May 2012, Korea-VVO is fully opened and KE, all of a sudden, increased capacity before other airline enters the market. Asiana is about to launch this route (if not already) and some of LCC may join soon. KE is using 739 this month but 333 next month.

(I'll try to answer other questions soon..)


25 TK1244 : HeeseokKoo and HOONS90, thank you both for your reply and explaining! Are the 747s only used on Gimpo-Jeju route? Or are other regional/domestic fligh
26 HOONS90 : Hi, thanks for checking the thread out! From what I've heard the delivery dates are still being finalized, and it's expected sometime in 2014. There
27 HOONS90 : I'm not sure if the A330-322s have the range to operate to BNE nonstop. Usually it's operated by the A330-323X delivered in the early 2000s: HL7553,
28 carpethead : HOONS90 thanks for the replies. The Japanese Aviation thread died a long time ago and nobody is going to rejuvenate it, so hopefully this will do bett
29 Post contains links and images RAGAZZO777 : Hey guys. Seems like Los Angeles will be the stopover point used for the new flights between Seoul and Lima according to Korean Air's COO. He's also
30 LAXdude1023 : I highly doubt it will launch that soon unless they get a schedule out for it. From the time we get a schedule, it usually takes about 6 months until
31 IrishAyes : Is this summer seasonal or year-round? I don't think it will. Yeah, it seems like the Korean carriers have more of this segment as opposed to the Jap
32 RAGAZZO777 : Yeah, that's true. However, and as pointed out by SPIM2EDDN, an official announcement is expected in December, so that would leave about 6 months unt
33 LAXdude1023 : Thats good. Ill be interested to see what the schedule looks like.
34 wedgetail737 : Hi there from the Seattle area! Busan (or Pusan) is such a large Asian port city. Why is that there has been no attempt to fly US to PUS? Korean Gover
35 Post contains images HeeseokKoo : When both carriers have operational right and there's enough demand for multiple carriers, but simply not opt to operate to protect other carrier's y
36 HOONS90 : This has been the subject of much controversy for a while now among Busan residents. KE (and I believe OZ?) commenced flights from ICN to PUS and vic
37 Post contains images HeeseokKoo : In my youth, if I remember correctly, KE operated direct PUS-HNL one-way (the other way was via SEL, weird). I heard it from my grandma, so it might
38 Fly2yyz : How would they schedule this? I figure the current A332 that they have from Korea to the US is KE001/002 ICN-NRT-LAX. Could they maybe time it so the
39 HOONS90 : Up until 2005, JAL had the following flights to Korea: JL951 NRT-ICN Daily 763/772/D10 JL953 NRT-ICN Daily 763 JL955 NRT-ICN Daily 747/77W JL957 PUS-
40 HOONS90 : I don't think KE's winter schedule has been finalized yet, but I would be very surprised if daily service is sustained to DFW in the winter. KE tends
41 puercaeli : KE seemed to be in so much love with 332HGW opening all these new long haul routes. Same seem to be the case for 737s on short/med haul. Is 332HGW rea
42 Post contains images RAGAZZO777 : Same here. In any case I'm sure it will be 3 flights per week, just like GRU. It will also be interesting to see LAN's reaction; they're currently op
43 zeke : CAPA had a bit of an update today on the Asiana fleet going forward in the next few years "Asiana aims to significantly expand capacity on US routes a
44 HeeseokKoo : I'm not sure but I saw ANA 777 standing at remote stand in the afternoon. ANA does quick-turn for all GMP flights, so I think bus boarding was made.
45 carpethead : Couple of questions regarding KE's fleet of 739s. Where does KE fly their 739ERs? Does KE plan to install winglets to the generic 739s? There aren't t
46 PHX787 : I heard some Japanese LCCs are planning on expanding into Korea, any of them already fly there? I haven't any information on this.
47 carpethead : AirAsia Japan flies daily between NRT-ICN. Peach flies three daily KIX-ICN. Jetstar Japan will soon fly from somewhere in Japan next year.
48 HOONS90 : This week I'm seeing 739ER assignments to the following routes from ICN: Aomori, Changsha, Dalian, Haneda, Komatsu, Kota Kinabalu, Niigata, Phnom Pen
49 HeeseokKoo : Regarding KE's dense 738, all dense 738s (162 seater) are now transferred to Jin, and leftovers are lower dense ones (147/138 seaters). 147 seater is
50 Post contains links softrally : AC announces YYZ-ICN. http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=601
51 HOONS90 : BA's first scheduled flight to ICN is about to depart in 7 minutes as we speak. Wonder how the loads are. Thanks for the info! Excellent news. Hopeful
52 FreshSide3 : Any possibilty of Korean carriers going into Athens? The number of Koreans visiting Greece has increased, for one thing. Also, no more SQ or Thai serv
53 Fly2yyz : I think KE might find it hard to compete with the ME3 and also its a bit of a side track to go to ICN then to OZ/NZ isnt it?
54 HeeseokKoo : https://www.ana.co.jp/eng/aboutana/press/2012/index_121203-2.html ANA suspends NRT-ICN from Mar 31, 2013. First victim after LCCs' invasion on Korea-J
55 IndianicWorld : Given that the ME3 have the Australia-Europe routes well and truly covered, I struggle to see how KE would go after a ATH service as the yields are b
56 FreshSide3 : Yes, the Australians, in the years since OA and QF stopped service between ATH and SYD/MEL, have indeed gravitated to the Middle East carriers. But t
57 Fly2yyz : Socioeconomically, the majority of the Filipinos in Greece work in domestic fields thus not being a group that would help drive yields for KE for ins
58 FreshSide3 : Just got the connction statistics, from another thread, with Turkish Airlines' statistics.......for the onward connections in Asian markets, from the
59 Fly2yyz : Awesome wow! Well go figure where can we find the tread for the TK stats?
60 Post contains links FreshSide3 : Here it is.... Turkish Aviation December 2012 (by TK787 Nov 30 2012 in Civil Aviation)
61 LAXintl : Yes ATH might be the #1 beyond market on TK's ICN flight, but its still only about 20-pax per day. A longhaul can easily have 30-40 connection market
62 FreshSide3 : So, with the combination of being #4 connection in PEK/NRT, #3 in HKG, and #1 in ICN, that changes the whole perspective on how ICN-ATH will look, in
63 LAXintl : Market size for ICN-ATH is 14,086 annual passengers each way. Not very large. Compare that to the large European capitals or places like Frankfurt whi
64 777way : PIA 772ER is in Seoul today having operated a VIP flight for Pakistani president, previous visits to the city in the last decade or more have used A31
65 777way : CSA starting twice weekly PRG-ICN from June with A333. A Qatar Airways 773ER flight from ICN was diverted to Karachi when a woman went into labour and
66 HOONS90 : Surprise of the year! Hope that both are doing fine. Did PIA ever plan to serve Seoul on a regular basis? I know that Shaheen Air officials were in t
67 777way : Yes PIA wanted to serv Seoul in the 90s and then again around 2005 but nothing came about, its still part of their future routes I'm sure. Sri Lankan
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