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Future Of Ex BA QF763's @ QF?  
User currently offlineTimetable From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 217 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7097 times:

Dose anybody kinow the future of the Ex BA 763's currently with QF? Does Qf plan to retire them in the future or are they going refurbish them & repaint them into the newer QF colours? Thanks in advance if you can help? Regards from Timetable.

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User currently offlineBAeRJ100 From Australia, joined Nov 2011, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7106 times:

QF intends to only keep the 16 767s with GE engines (registrations that begin with VH-OG*), and these are the aircraft being fitted with the refurbished cabin. I can't remember off the top of my head exactly when it is to occur (when the JQ A330's move back to QF after the 787 deliveries?), but they plan on very soon getting rid of all the 767s with RR engines, which happen to be all of the ex-BA birds (registrations beginning with VH-ZX*).

[Edited 2012-11-19 05:59:36]

[Edited 2012-11-19 06:00:22]

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4865 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7106 times:

Quoting BAeRJ100 (Reply 1):

I can't wait! The RR aircraft or better known as ACE aircraft are a nightmare of an aircraft...
On a sidenote QFs latest A332 Domestic configure aircraft will be arriving on the 25th of November...

EK413



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User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2949 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 7103 times:

The 767 refurbishment programme will be finished next March.

The latest guide for the JQ 787s is next October with a total of 3-4 next year from memory, so there's a good chance they'll all be gone by early 2014. Retiring these aircraft is the priority for the domestic fleet, so expect to see them leave pretty rapidly from March.

On another side note, do we have any word on what QF are doing with the international aircraft in this refit?


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4865 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7105 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 3):
On another side note, do we have any word on what QF are doing with the international aircraft in this refit?

I take it your referring to OGR, OGS, OGT and OGU... Interesting question and never really thought as to what would happen with these aircraft...

EK413



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7103 times:
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Quoting EK413 (Reply 2):
The RR aircraft or better known as ACE aircraft are a nightmare of an aircraft...

How come QF has kept them for so long if they are not good to work in? I seem to remember from earlier threads that the aircraft have hopless galley configs or something, but that could have been changed to QF standard during D-check, right?



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4865 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7103 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 5):
How come QF has kept them for so long if they are not good to work in? I seem to remember from earlier threads that the aircraft have hopless galley configs or something, but that could have been changed to QF standard during D-check, right?

The aircraft interiors have been upgraded to QF standards, however the galleys are BA ace galley standards which create a headache from the catering perspective... As for the power plants I believe they are same ratings as the RR power plants on the B744 fleet (3 RR aircraft to remain active)...

EK413

[Edited 2012-11-20 01:12:53]


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User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2949 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7062 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 5):
How come QF has kept them for so long if they are not good to work in? I seem to remember from earlier threads that the aircraft have hopless galley configs or something, but that could have been changed to QF standard during D-check, right?

The two aircraft have totally different exit configurations. QF could never have configured them in the same way without wasting a lot of space in the GE aircraft which have overwing exits in place of full size doors.

It's also worth noting that the aircraft were never originally meant to be a long term part of the QF fleet, so it didn't make sense to do massive work when they first came to QF. QF only took them on more permanently a few years later and at that stage they were only supposed to be staying in the fleet for a few more years until the 787s started arriving in 2008 causing the subsequent movement of A332s to replace the 767s.

So it's always been a lot of money to spend doing major galley/toilet moves for only a couple more years of QF service.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4865 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7052 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 7):
It's also worth noting that the aircraft were never originally meant to be a long term part of the QF fleet, so it didn't make sense to do massive work when they first came to QF.

I believe QF originally had plans to operate the type for 7 years (7 year lease) and then return the aircraft to BA... In the end I believe BA didn't want the aircraft therefore QF purchased / leased the aircraft to fill the B787 gap...

EK413



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User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6939 times:

Hi,

The only Intl B763 route is SYD-HNL-SYD... The current 4 Intl config B763s VH-OGR/S/T/U will be reconfigured to domestic config when the go thru the cabin refurbishment meaning that all 16 GE B763s will be in the same domestic config.

The longer term options I see for the QF SYD-HNL-SYD will be:

*B763 replaced with Intl A330s which are currently flying domestic routes.

*All HNL services handed over to JQ.

*B763 will continue to operate the route but in the new domestic config.

Only time will tell I guess......

[Edited 2012-11-20 21:36:43]

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4865 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6914 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 9):
The longer term options I see for the QF SYD-HNL-SYD will be:

*B763 replaced with Intl A330s which are currently flying domestic routes.

I would agree with B763s being replaced with A332s...

I believe the new QF have come to terms and realised there is room for both QF and JQ on key holiday routes with OOL as an example with mainline resuming services...

EK413



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User currently offlineDitzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6536 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 9):
The only Intl B763 route is SYD-HNL-SYD...

And SYD-NOU-SYD x 1pw.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4865 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6381 times:

Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 11):

Quoting vhebb (Reply 9):
The only Intl B763 route is SYD-HNL-SYD...

And SYD-NOU-SYD x 1pw.

The SYD-NOU-SYD QF91-QF92 service is usually operated by a domestic configure aircraft with the odd International aircraft from time to time...

EK413



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User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2949 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6344 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 9):

Thanks! I can only assume that QF will continue to fly to HNL past March (they're leaving it a bit late to make an announcement...), so it will be interesting to see which direction they go in with the equipment...

Quoting EK413 (Reply 10):
I would agree with B763s being replaced with A332s...

I think an A333 is more likely. It's a bigger jump in capacity, but the A332s have far too many J seats to work to HNL.

Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 11):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):

I imagine NOU will probably migrate to 738s over the next year or two. 1 weekly through the low season, with an extra weekly flight through peak periods.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4865 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6320 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 13):
I think an A333 is more likely. It's a bigger jump in capacity, but the A332s have far too many J seats to work to HNL.

That's a big jump in capacity 5J & 63Y seats but I certainly ain't complaining...

B763 - 25J 204Y
A333 - 30J 267Y

Quoting qf002 (Reply 13):
Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 11):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):

I imagine NOU will probably migrate to 738s over the next year or two. 1 weekly through the low season, with an extra weekly flight through peak periods.

Isn't the service already operated by a mix of B738 & B763... I'm a bit rusty with the days of operations with SB filling the gap too...

EK413



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User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2918 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6236 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 9):
B763 will continue to operate the route but in the new domestic config.

I tend to think this will be the QF option. That way the only difference between the QF operated servie and the JQ service is the standard of on-board service and the proper fitting of the IPAD's as IFE. But that's only speculation.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 10):
I would agree with B763s being replaced with A332s...

I would have thought the point to point Asia services would be a better use of the A332's in International config? Having said that I also think there is a case to be made to refit the International A332's to remove some of the business class seats. That would make them more workable on routes such as HNL, SIN, CGK and MNL where there is alot of leisure traffic but also a fair mix of people willing to pay business fares and burning FF points.


User currently offlineDitzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6155 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):
The SYD-NOU-SYD QF91-QF92 service is usually operated by a domestic configure aircraft with the odd International aircraft from time to time...

I am quite aware of that.

As part of the refresh bassinets will be removed from the J cabin on domestic-configured aircraft. This suggests to me that the international aircraft will be a sub-fleet of some description.


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6090 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 13):
I think an A333 is more likely. It's a bigger jump in capacity, but the A332s have far too many J seats to work to HNL.

Can QF's A333s fly that far? It's further than SYD-HKG which I'm not sure how they manage.


User currently offlineDitzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6081 times:

The 333s flew BOM-SYD non-stop, SYD-NRT, SYD-PVG and SYD-PEK. I am pretty sure that if a 763 can make SYD-HNL-SYD, then the 333 will do also.

User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6047 times:

Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 18):
The 333s flew BOM-SYD non-stop

I'm sure they flew SYD-DRW-BOM-SYD. And were load restricted on the route too, severely I believe.

Can't comment on the other routes you've said.


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6030 times:

Did the A333s have an upgrade to their MTOW in service, not reflected on the qantas.com.au website? I can't see how a 212t A333 could do SYD-PEK with a commercial load.

User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4805 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6008 times:

The main reason for the retirement of the RR 763s is that they need an expensive upgrade on the flight deck/navigation systems to bring them up to a new Australian standard... Something like $2m per aircraft which couldn't be justified considering they were due to be retired soon anyway.


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User currently offlinea36001 From Australia, joined Sep 2012, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5986 times:

When they are retired, will the engines be kept as spares for the remaining 744 fleet? or have I got it totally wrong and they can't interchange them. Do they even own the engines or are they leased separately from the airframe?  

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4865 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5912 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 20):

Did the A333s have an upgrade to their MTOW in service, not reflected on the qantas.com.au website? I can't see how a 212t A333 could do SYD-PEK with a commercial load.

I don't recall any load restrictions on the PEK route from memory... As mentioned by Ditzyboy if a B763 can operate the route with nil issues I doubt an A333 would have any load restrictions...

Quoting a36001 (Reply 22):
Do they even own the engines or are they leased separately from the airframe?

I've red in previous posts the engines are interchangeable with the B744 RR fleet...

EK413



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User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2382 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5698 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 19):
I'm sure they flew SYD-DRW-BOM-SYD. And were load restricted on the route too, severely I believe.

Can't comment on the other routes you've said.

The non-stop eastbound leg with the A333 didn't last long. In 2008, the A332 replaced the A333, and then in 2009 the flight to BOM became a 1 stop A333 via SIN.

A non-stop BOM-SYD, coming in at over 10,000 km, is an awful long way for the early version A330-303 that QF used on the route. Must have been quite a hefty payload restriction.

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2012-11-22 06:08:28]


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25 Post contains images JQflightie : Well they would want to have home's fast, the first 763 RR leaves in Decmber, then another in January. This is due to a new A330-200 entering the flee
26 skipness1E : Anyone know which two are leaving first?
27 EK413 : The new Airbus arrives on the 25th of November VH-EBV... The registration ring any bells... I'm aware the aircraft do not belong to BA... When the le
28 BA174 : BA did own the aircraft until circa 2008 when they sold them to a bank that now leases them to QF. They are also all registered with that company in
29 Post contains images Ditzyboy : That is correct, which is why is specified BOM-SYD. I am not sure if the fleet has ever been upgraded, but 333 was the main equipment on SYD-PEK. I w
30 Post contains links EK413 : The need for increased Domestic capacity saw QANTAS take seven Rolls-Royce powered 767-300s from British Airways which had become surplus to requireme
31 Post contains links thegeek : Well, I felt the need to clarify it, because it wasn't clear from that specification that you are referring to eastbound only. Call me pedantic if yo
32 CRJ900 : How come QF's A333s have such limited range? Did QF order the lowest-MTOW version? How old are those aircraft now? Factory fresh A333s can fly 10,000
33 gemuser : What registration are you referring to? They can't be on both the VH & G register at the same time, the G rego would have to have been cancelled
34 EK413 : He must be referring to the original VH-ZXA to ZXG registrations? EK413
35 JQflightie : Yes i know they OWNED them, but they havnt for a while...
36 emirates773 : An example of this is: B767-336ER (25443/419) with BA as G-BNWP was leased to Qantas as VH-ZXG. When it was sold by BA it was bought by a leasing com
37 EK413 : Probably have not owned them since 2007 when the lease expired...? So in other words the aircraft have been sold to the leasing firm with the UK regi
38 emirates773 : The UK registration was cancelled upon the uptake of the lease to Qantas on the aircraft. e.g G-BNWP De Reg : 10th November 2000 from UK, Reg'd VH-ZX
39 BA174 : BA hold a first right of repurchase clause on the aircraft I believe which is why for trading purposes they are still G-BNW* registered. BA might wan
40 Post contains images Ditzyboy : The ex-BA 763s were used on the Tasman (not sure if only AKL?) for a time. They featured ACE galleys which were also on the leased BA 744, which oper
41 Post contains images Ditzyboy : The initial three 333s were delivered in a Domestic configuration. All were identified as -301s. I am assuming they were derated to lower landing and
42 EK413 : Thanks for clearing the lease term and conditions for us... I'm not 100% on it being fact but from memory BA didn't want the aircraft when the leases
43 gemuser : But they are NOT G registered aircraft! That was cancelled on 10 Nov 2001 as per reply 38. The company names G-BNW* are NOT aircraft registrations! T
44 peterinlisbon : Out of curiousity, what is an ACE galley and what is so bad about them?
45 BA174 : Numerous people including me have stated the situation of these aircraft correctly very clearly, nobody has said that the aircraft operate under G-BN
46 Post contains links and images EK413 : Atlas Equipment... Qantas View Large View MediumPhoto © Gary Claridge-kingView Large View MediumPhoto © M Tian Ace Equipment... British Airways "Ac
47 skipness1E : What else would we be doing with them?
48 EK413 : When I said demonstration I was referring to the photo's not being that of a Qantas or British Airways aircraft... EK413
49 thegeek : So A333s #4 through #10 were delivered from the factory as 233t MTOW versions, is that what you are saying? If so, it makes complete sense now.
50 skipness1E : Ah thanks, I was genuinely confused. It's easily done(!)
51 EK413 : Easily confused and easily rectified... Cheers... EK413
52 gemuser : Then stop saying: (From reply 39) They are not! Gemusr
53 BA174 : You've taken that reply totally out of context and I go on to say "for trading purposes" . Now you're just being awkward. I will say it again, nobody
54 thenoflyzone : Unless -QPA go some new GE engines and some other mods that go with it, it is still an A330-301. The person who tagged that second photo incorrectly
55 Ditzyboy : I am absolutely aware that the type designation is nothing to do with the interior configuration (though I can see why you thunk that from what I had
56 EK413 : The 1st of 7 ex-BA B763 aircraft in the QF fleet is off to the desert middle of December... EK413
57 RyanairGuru : I believe that they popped up every now and then in CHC and NOU as well. Basically anything operated by Domestic. Yes, I remember a British poster ar
58 Post contains images EK413 : Cheers... I guess the lease price must've been appealing too... The 1st bird is being retired middle of December EK413
59 BA174 : The galley config on BAs LH aircraft is different to the SH configuration. The QF aircraft are ex short haul at BA and at around the same time of the
60 EK413 : Did the LH aircraft have chillers in the galleys? EK413
61 RyanairGuru : Right, that makes a lot more sense. This was a couple of years ago now, maybe 2010. But this poster was absolutely adamant that it was QF's gross inc
62 BA174 : The main difference is in the D2 galley I believe.
63 Ditzyboy : Judging by the number of deactivated circuit breakers, I thought it was the rear galley that is much smaller on the SH configuration. A whole galley
64 BA174 : Yes I forgot about the rear facing unit. I know G-BNWD was one that was converted and that the work was fairly extensive, not just a rip Club Europe
65 GCPET : The Long-Haul BA 767's that were previously Short-Haul don't have the fuel dumping option which is one way of telling if they're ex SH. GCPET
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