m11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1207 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1549 times:
What other airlines could potentially become 'American Eagle' carriers? Is it just going to be Skywest, ExpressJet, Chautauqua and American Eagle Airlines or is American interested in adding additional airlines to the American Eagle umbrella?
My opinions, statements, etc. are my own and do not have any association with those of any employer.
CARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 706 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1547 times:
Quoting dtw757 (Reply 8): I don't envy the crews of OO/EV. It's going to be a hostile environment for them especially going in to DFW alongside MQ crews.
Why should it be hostile in any way? Everyone in his right state of mind knows it is not the fault of the OO and EV crews that work is outsourced at MQ.
And everyone at MQ and AA should know, too, if they would give up some percent of their income, so costs could be lowered to industry standard there would be no outsourcing at all. It is just all coming back at the greedy unions...
And hostile environment is the wrong term anyway, soldiers in Afghanistan can call their work-place a hostile environment, but not cabin and cockpit crews doing outsourced work. Too much hate out there. Life goes on...
dtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1417 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1545 times:
Quoting CARST (Reply 9): Why should it be hostile in any way? Everyone in his right state of mind knows it is not the fault of the OO and EV crews that work is outsourced at MQ.
Clearly anyone who sees their job as threatened would not welcome an outsourced crew with open arms. Is it the fault of the RP/OO/EV crews? Of course not
Quoting CARST (Reply 9): And hostile environment is the wrong term anyway
Hostile work environment is a commonly used term in the United States. It refers to a workplace where there is some sort of harassment taking place.
American Eagle pilots took over $46 million worth of annual cuts in order to be competitive. Other emoter groups took millions in cuts too. AMR decided to outsource flying anyways.
It has nothing to do with saving money, it's actually rumored that the OO/EV bid was higher than the MQ bid. AMR still decided to outsource because they want multiple carriers so they can whipsaw them against each other.
They want to create hostility and fear amongst regional employees. They then wonder why they end up with hostile unionized employees
jfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2666 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1544 times:
Quoting CARST (Reply 9): And everyone at MQ and AA should know, too, if they would give up some percent of their income, so costs could be lowered to industry standard there would be no outsourcing at all. It is just all coming back at the greedy unions...
Are you kidding dude? How out of touch can you be?
Regional pilots make nothing. When I worked for Eagle, I was lucky to bring in $35,000 a year. It is a hell hole. And there is no incentive to take cuts because 1. That salary can be replicated just about anywhere 2. Other regionals are hiring 3. Pilot shortage
skyguyB727 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 589 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1543 times:
Quoting JBo (Reply 10): And everyone at MQ and AA should know, too, if they would give up some percent of their income, so costs could be lowered to industry standard there would be no outsourcing at all. It is just all coming back at the greedy unions...
I certainly didn't feel greedy or overpaid when I was making $5.00 an hour (minimum wage) as an agent in the late 1990s. I had 13 years of industry experience. At that time, McDonalds in my city was starting at $7.50 an hour. BTW, JBo, there was, and still is no union for agents. They are a non-union workgroup.
N353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 739 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (6 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1542 times:
Quoting CARST (Reply 9): And everyone at MQ and AA should know, too, if they would give up some percent of their income, so costs could be lowered to industry standard there would be no outsourcing at all. It is just all coming back at the greedy unions...
If that's your hypothesis, then explain this:
Quoting norcal (Reply 12): American Eagle pilots took over $46 million worth of annual cuts in order to be competitive. Other emoter groups took millions in cuts too. AMR decided to outsource flying anyways.
FWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3179 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (6 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1542 times:
Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 3): MKE/FAR - DFW in a CR2.....,.yikes, no thanks.
Makes me glad that FWA-DFW remains on the ER4. I strongly prefer the ERJ to the CR2, and going from FWA-DFW (a long, thin route) in a CR2 with the cramped seating and low windows would have been a major downgrade. FWA-ORD/DTW on a CR2 is uncomfortable as is, and FWA-MSP is stretching it (though hopefully DL has the sense to upgrade the latter to a CR9).
OTOH, where will the freed-up MQ ERJs go? I assume MIA to replace the ATRs, but I thought that there was going to be new flying as well.
SLCGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 104 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1542 times:
So far, I've only seen one Skywest CR2 here at SLC in AA colors, all the other Skywest Eagle flights have been in the generic Skywest colors.
For those that don't know, Skywest keeps a small fleet of CRJ's in house colors that they can substitute for any of their partners flights. Since obiviously for example: Delta would never allow a Connection flight to be operated by a plane in United Express colors.
futureualpilot From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 2561 posts, RR: 8 Reply 19, posted (6 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1542 times:
Quoting dtw757 (Reply 8):
I don't envy the crews of OO/EV. It's going to be a hostile environment for them especially going in to DFW alongside MQ crews.
I've had no issues while jump seating with Eagle crews (thank you for the rides and making sure I make it on, as stressful as commuting can be you guys help make it that much easier!), they've been friendly and professional even after the OO Eagle flying began. They're understandably frustrated but most also know the pilots at OO/EV had nothing to do with the decisions made.
futureualpilot From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 2561 posts, RR: 8 Reply 20, posted (6 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1542 times:
Quoting CARST (Reply 9): And everyone at MQ and AA should know, too, if they would give up some percent of their income, so costs could be lowered to industry standard there would be no outsourcing at all. It is just all coming back at the greedy unions...
Right, let the employee groups bail out poor management yet again. Management can do no wrong. If you honestly believe what the employees would give up would be returned if the company became profitable again, you're in a fantasy world I'd like to visit.
flyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 978 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (6 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1542 times:
Quoting CARST (Reply 9): And everyone at MQ and AA should know, too, if they would give up some percent of their income, so costs could be lowered to industry standard there would be no outsourcing at all. It is just all coming back at the greedy unions...
Huh? Do you have any knowledge of how much eagle pilots are paid compared to the industry average? Because based on your comment it is very clear you do not.
"None are more hopelessly enslaved, than those who falsly believe they are free" -Goethe
JBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2279 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (6 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1540 times:
Quoting skyguyB727 (Reply 15): I certainly didn't feel greedy or overpaid when I was making $5.00 an hour (minimum wage) as an agent in the late 1990s. I had 13 years of industry experience. At that time, McDonalds in my city was starting at $7.50 an hour. BTW, JBo, there was, and still is no union for agents. They are a non-union workgroup.
That wasn't my quote, Skyguy, that was CARST, but no harm no foul
I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
You got to be kidding! How the the unions being greedy? They took cuts after cuts and upper management still want to take more! So how are the union greedy? I don't see AA upper managements and executive leadership taking any cut!
durangomac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 586 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (6 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1443 times:
Quoting norcal (Reply 12): It has nothing to do with saving money, it's actually rumored that the OO/EV bid was higher than the MQ bid.
I can tell you that isn't true. My knowledge of the situation is the OO/EV bid was cheaper than MQ. Apparently CASM at OO is cheaper hands down even with the more "expensive" CRJ-200's.
25 futureualpilot: Much better economies of scale at OO, me thinks.
26 N766UA: Unions absolutely can be and often are greedy, however this whole situation is obviously not the fault of the union. Mismanagement comes from, surpri
27 B377: While I do not know what pricing AA was able to obtain with the EV bid in particular, I did check some XXX to DFW and return markets in April 2013 an
28 Deltal1011man: So all I get from this is your just posting to post anti-labor crap without a real reason. I can think of tons of airline employees who have less and
29 CARST: Not only aimed at you Delta1011man, but everyone who commented on my "heartless" comment. What I posted is not anti-union-crap. This are facts. And i
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