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New American Eagle Service By EV/OO  
User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 595 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

Any pics of the new CR2 service operated by EV & OO for eagle?

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User currently offlinedtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1552 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

Yes here is an OO CRJ. Wont the EV flights be ERJ?



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User currently offlinedeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1436 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 1):
Wont the EV flights be ERJ?

No, EV flights will be CRJ-200.

If anyone wants to know, destinations out of DFW are:

BRO, HOU, BPT, SJT, CLL, MAF, ABI, AMA, TYR, TXK, BTR, VPS, TYS, MKE, RAP, FAR, DRO


User currently offlineclrd4t8koff From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2775 times:

MKE/FAR - DFW in a CR2.....,.yikes, no thanks. I guess some service is better than nothing.

User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

What other airlines could potentially become 'American Eagle' carriers? Is it just going to be Skywest, ExpressJet, Chautauqua and American Eagle Airlines or is American interested in adding additional airlines to the American Eagle umbrella?


My opinions, statements, etc. are my own and do not have any association with those of any employer.
User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

LAX-PHX is was being run by OO for MQ the other day as well.

User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3356 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2768 times:

How is this working? Is there an "operated by ... " on the plane at all?

User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2768 times:

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 4):

I wouldn't be surprised to see either Republic or Shuttle America doing E-jet flying for AA eventually.



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User currently offlinedtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1552 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2768 times:

I don't envy the crews of OO/EV. It's going to be a hostile environment for them especially going in to DFW alongside MQ crews.


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User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 809 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2768 times:

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 8):
I don't envy the crews of OO/EV. It's going to be a hostile environment for them especially going in to DFW alongside MQ crews.

Why should it be hostile in any way? Everyone in his right state of mind knows it is not the fault of the OO and EV crews that work is outsourced at MQ.

And everyone at MQ and AA should know, too, if they would give up some percent of their income, so costs could be lowered to industry standard there would be no outsourcing at all. It is just all coming back at the greedy unions...



And hostile environment is the wrong term anyway, soldiers in Afghanistan can call their work-place a hostile environment, but not cabin and cockpit crews doing outsourced work. Too much hate out there. Life goes on...


User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 6):
How is this working? Is there an "operated by ... " on the plane at all?

There has to be per FAA/DOT regulations ... there's an "Operated by Skywest" logo near the L1 door.



I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
User currently offlinedtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1552 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

Quoting CARST (Reply 9):
Why should it be hostile in any way? Everyone in his right state of mind knows it is not the fault of the OO and EV crews that work is outsourced at MQ.

Clearly anyone who sees their job as threatened would not welcome an outsourced crew with open arms. Is it the fault of the RP/OO/EV crews? Of course not

Quoting CARST (Reply 9):
And hostile environment is the wrong term anyway

Hostile work environment is a commonly used term in the United States. It refers to a workplace where there is some sort of harassment taking place.



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User currently offlinenorcal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2765 times:

Quoting CARST (Reply 9):

American Eagle pilots took over $46 million worth of annual cuts in order to be competitive. Other emoter groups took millions in cuts too. AMR decided to outsource flying anyways.

It has nothing to do with saving money, it's actually rumored that the OO/EV bid was higher than the MQ bid. AMR still decided to outsource because they want multiple carriers so they can whipsaw them against each other.

They want to create hostility and fear amongst regional employees. They then wonder why they end up with hostile unionized employees


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3356 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2765 times:

Quoting CARST (Reply 9):
And everyone at MQ and AA should know, too, if they would give up some percent of their income, so costs could be lowered to industry standard there would be no outsourcing at all. It is just all coming back at the greedy unions...

Are you kidding dude? How out of touch can you be?

Regional pilots make nothing. When I worked for Eagle, I was lucky to bring in $35,000 a year. It is a hell hole. And there is no incentive to take cuts because 1. That salary can be replicated just about anywhere 2. Other regionals are hiring 3. Pilot shortage


User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 848 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

Quoting deltaffindfw (Reply 2):

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 1):
Wont the EV flights be ERJ?

No, EV flights will be CRJ-200.

If anyone wants to know, destinations out of DFW are:

BRO, HOU, BPT, SJT, CLL, MAF, ABI, AMA, TYR, TXK, BTR, VPS, TYS, MKE, RAP, FAR, DRO

Odd, no CRP. I wonder why?

JD CRP



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User currently offlineskyguyB727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

Quoting JBo (Reply 10):
And everyone at MQ and AA should know, too, if they would give up some percent of their income, so costs could be lowered to industry standard there would be no outsourcing at all. It is just all coming back at the greedy unions...

I certainly didn't feel greedy or overpaid when I was making $5.00 an hour (minimum wage) as an agent in the late 1990s. I had 13 years of industry experience. At that time, McDonalds in my city was starting at $7.50 an hour. BTW, JBo, there was, and still is no union for agents. They are a non-union workgroup.


User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2763 times:

Quoting CARST (Reply 9):
And everyone at MQ and AA should know, too, if they would give up some percent of their income, so costs could be lowered to industry standard there would be no outsourcing at all. It is just all coming back at the greedy unions...

If that's your hypothesis, then explain this:

Quoting norcal (Reply 12):
American Eagle pilots took over $46 million worth of annual cuts in order to be competitive. Other emoter groups took millions in cuts too. AMR decided to outsource flying anyways.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3703 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2763 times:

Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 3):
MKE/FAR - DFW in a CR2.....,.yikes, no thanks.

Makes me glad that FWA-DFW remains on the ER4. I strongly prefer the ERJ to the CR2, and going from FWA-DFW (a long, thin route) in a CR2 with the cramped seating and low windows would have been a major downgrade. FWA-ORD/DTW on a CR2 is uncomfortable as is, and FWA-MSP is stretching it (though hopefully DL has the sense to upgrade the latter to a CR9).

OTOH, where will the freed-up MQ ERJs go? I assume MIA to replace the ATRs, but I thought that there was going to be new flying as well.



I don't work for FWA, their tenants, or their ad agency. But I still love FWA.
User currently offlineSLCGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2763 times:

So far, I've only seen one Skywest CR2 here at SLC in AA colors, all the other Skywest Eagle flights have been in the generic Skywest colors.

For those that don't know, Skywest keeps a small fleet of CRJ's in house colors that they can substitute for any of their partners flights. Since obiviously for example: Delta would never allow a Connection flight to be operated by a plane in United Express colors.

[Edited 2012-11-20 12:24:37]

User currently offlinefutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2763 times:

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 8):

I don't envy the crews of OO/EV. It's going to be a hostile environment for them especially going in to DFW alongside MQ crews.

I've had no issues while jump seating with Eagle crews (thank you for the rides and making sure I make it on, as stressful as commuting can be you guys help make it that much easier!), they've been friendly and professional even after the OO Eagle flying began. They're understandably frustrated but most also know the pilots at OO/EV had nothing to do with the decisions made.



Life is better when you surf.
User currently offlinefutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2763 times:

Quoting CARST (Reply 9):
And everyone at MQ and AA should know, too, if they would give up some percent of their income, so costs could be lowered to industry standard there would be no outsourcing at all. It is just all coming back at the greedy unions...

Right, let the employee groups bail out poor management yet again. Management can do no wrong. If you honestly believe what the employees would give up would be returned if the company became profitable again, you're in a fantasy world I'd like to visit.



Life is better when you surf.
User currently offlineflyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2763 times:

Quoting CARST (Reply 9):
And everyone at MQ and AA should know, too, if they would give up some percent of their income, so costs could be lowered to industry standard there would be no outsourcing at all. It is just all coming back at the greedy unions...

Huh? Do you have any knowledge of how much eagle pilots are paid compared to the industry average? Because based on your comment it is very clear you do not.



"None are more hopelessly enslaved, than those who falsly believe they are free" -Goethe
User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2761 times:

Quoting skyguyB727 (Reply 15):
I certainly didn't feel greedy or overpaid when I was making $5.00 an hour (minimum wage) as an agent in the late 1990s. I had 13 years of industry experience. At that time, McDonalds in my city was starting at $7.50 an hour. BTW, JBo, there was, and still is no union for agents. They are a non-union workgroup.

That wasn't my quote, Skyguy, that was CARST, but no harm no foul  



I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
User currently offlineAZNCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2763 times:

Quoting CARST (Reply 9):

You got to be kidding! How the the unions being greedy? They took cuts after cuts and upper management still want to take more! So how are the union greedy? I don't see AA upper managements and executive leadership taking any cut!


User currently offlinedurangomac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2664 times:

Quoting norcal (Reply 12):
It has nothing to do with saving money, it's actually rumored that the OO/EV bid was higher than the MQ bid.

I can tell you that isn't true. My knowledge of the situation is the OO/EV bid was cheaper than MQ. Apparently CASM at OO is cheaper hands down even with the more "expensive" CRJ-200's.


25 futureualpilot : Much better economies of scale at OO, me thinks.
26 N766UA : Unions absolutely can be and often are greedy, however this whole situation is obviously not the fault of the union. Mismanagement comes from, surpri
27 B377 : While I do not know what pricing AA was able to obtain with the EV bid in particular, I did check some XXX to DFW and return markets in April 2013 an
28 Deltal1011man : So all I get from this is your just posting to post anti-labor crap without a real reason. I can think of tons of airline employees who have less and
29 CARST : Not only aimed at you Delta1011man, but everyone who commented on my "heartless" comment. What I posted is not anti-union-crap. This are facts. And i
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