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User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 677 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

Any pics of the new CR2 service operated by EV & OO for eagle?

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User currently offlinedtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1567 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2896 times:

Yes here is an OO CRJ. Wont the EV flights be ERJ?



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User currently offlinedeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2894 times:

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 1):
Wont the EV flights be ERJ?

No, EV flights will be CRJ-200.

If anyone wants to know, destinations out of DFW are:

BRO, HOU, BPT, SJT, CLL, MAF, ABI, AMA, TYR, TXK, BTR, VPS, TYS, MKE, RAP, FAR, DRO


User currently offlineclrd4t8koff From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2895 times:

MKE/FAR - DFW in a CR2.....,.yikes, no thanks. I guess some service is better than nothing.

User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

What other airlines could potentially become 'American Eagle' carriers? Is it just going to be Skywest, ExpressJet, Chautauqua and American Eagle Airlines or is American interested in adding additional airlines to the American Eagle umbrella?


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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

LAX-PHX is was being run by OO for MQ the other day as well.

User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3508 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2888 times:

How is this working? Is there an "operated by ... " on the plane at all?

User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2888 times:

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 4):

I wouldn't be surprised to see either Republic or Shuttle America doing E-jet flying for AA eventually.



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User currently offlinedtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1567 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2888 times:

I don't envy the crews of OO/EV. It's going to be a hostile environment for them especially going in to DFW alongside MQ crews.


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User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 820 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2888 times:

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 8):
I don't envy the crews of OO/EV. It's going to be a hostile environment for them especially going in to DFW alongside MQ crews.

Why should it be hostile in any way? Everyone in his right state of mind knows it is not the fault of the OO and EV crews that work is outsourced at MQ.

And everyone at MQ and AA should know, too, if they would give up some percent of their income, so costs could be lowered to industry standard there would be no outsourcing at all. It is just all coming back at the greedy unions...



And hostile environment is the wrong term anyway, soldiers in Afghanistan can call their work-place a hostile environment, but not cabin and cockpit crews doing outsourced work. Too much hate out there. Life goes on...


User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2349 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 6):
How is this working? Is there an "operated by ... " on the plane at all?

There has to be per FAA/DOT regulations ... there's an "Operated by Skywest" logo near the L1 door.



I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
User currently offlinedtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1567 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

Quoting CARST (Reply 9):
Why should it be hostile in any way? Everyone in his right state of mind knows it is not the fault of the OO and EV crews that work is outsourced at MQ.

Clearly anyone who sees their job as threatened would not welcome an outsourced crew with open arms. Is it the fault of the RP/OO/EV crews? Of course not

Quoting CARST (Reply 9):
And hostile environment is the wrong term anyway

Hostile work environment is a commonly used term in the United States. It refers to a workplace where there is some sort of harassment taking place.



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User currently offlinenorcal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

Quoting CARST (Reply 9):

American Eagle pilots took over $46 million worth of annual cuts in order to be competitive. Other emoter groups took millions in cuts too. AMR decided to outsource flying anyways.

It has nothing to do with saving money, it's actually rumored that the OO/EV bid was higher than the MQ bid. AMR still decided to outsource because they want multiple carriers so they can whipsaw them against each other.

They want to create hostility and fear amongst regional employees. They then wonder why they end up with hostile unionized employees


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3508 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

Quoting CARST (Reply 9):
And everyone at MQ and AA should know, too, if they would give up some percent of their income, so costs could be lowered to industry standard there would be no outsourcing at all. It is just all coming back at the greedy unions...

Are you kidding dude? How out of touch can you be?

Regional pilots make nothing. When I worked for Eagle, I was lucky to bring in $35,000 a year. It is a hell hole. And there is no incentive to take cuts because 1. That salary can be replicated just about anywhere 2. Other regionals are hiring 3. Pilot shortage


User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 853 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

Quoting deltaffindfw (Reply 2):

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 1):
Wont the EV flights be ERJ?

No, EV flights will be CRJ-200.

If anyone wants to know, destinations out of DFW are:

BRO, HOU, BPT, SJT, CLL, MAF, ABI, AMA, TYR, TXK, BTR, VPS, TYS, MKE, RAP, FAR, DRO

Odd, no CRP. I wonder why?

JD CRP



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User currently offlineskyguyB727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

Quoting JBo (Reply 10):
And everyone at MQ and AA should know, too, if they would give up some percent of their income, so costs could be lowered to industry standard there would be no outsourcing at all. It is just all coming back at the greedy unions...

I certainly didn't feel greedy or overpaid when I was making $5.00 an hour (minimum wage) as an agent in the late 1990s. I had 13 years of industry experience. At that time, McDonalds in my city was starting at $7.50 an hour. BTW, JBo, there was, and still is no union for agents. They are a non-union workgroup.


User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2883 times:

Quoting CARST (Reply 9):
And everyone at MQ and AA should know, too, if they would give up some percent of their income, so costs could be lowered to industry standard there would be no outsourcing at all. It is just all coming back at the greedy unions...

If that's your hypothesis, then explain this:

Quoting norcal (Reply 12):
American Eagle pilots took over $46 million worth of annual cuts in order to be competitive. Other emoter groups took millions in cuts too. AMR decided to outsource flying anyways.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2883 times:

Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 3):
MKE/FAR - DFW in a CR2.....,.yikes, no thanks.

Makes me glad that FWA-DFW remains on the ER4. I strongly prefer the ERJ to the CR2, and going from FWA-DFW (a long, thin route) in a CR2 with the cramped seating and low windows would have been a major downgrade. FWA-ORD/DTW on a CR2 is uncomfortable as is, and FWA-MSP is stretching it (though hopefully DL has the sense to upgrade the latter to a CR9).

OTOH, where will the freed-up MQ ERJs go? I assume MIA to replace the ATRs, but I thought that there was going to be new flying as well.



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User currently offlineSLCGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2883 times:

So far, I've only seen one Skywest CR2 here at SLC in AA colors, all the other Skywest Eagle flights have been in the generic Skywest colors.

For those that don't know, Skywest keeps a small fleet of CRJ's in house colors that they can substitute for any of their partners flights. Since obiviously for example: Delta would never allow a Connection flight to be operated by a plane in United Express colors.

[Edited 2012-11-20 12:24:37]

User currently offlinefutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2605 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2883 times:

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 8):

I don't envy the crews of OO/EV. It's going to be a hostile environment for them especially going in to DFW alongside MQ crews.

I've had no issues while jump seating with Eagle crews (thank you for the rides and making sure I make it on, as stressful as commuting can be you guys help make it that much easier!), they've been friendly and professional even after the OO Eagle flying began. They're understandably frustrated but most also know the pilots at OO/EV had nothing to do with the decisions made.



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User currently offlinefutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2605 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2883 times:

Quoting CARST (Reply 9):
And everyone at MQ and AA should know, too, if they would give up some percent of their income, so costs could be lowered to industry standard there would be no outsourcing at all. It is just all coming back at the greedy unions...

Right, let the employee groups bail out poor management yet again. Management can do no wrong. If you honestly believe what the employees would give up would be returned if the company became profitable again, you're in a fantasy world I'd like to visit.



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User currently offlineflyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2883 times:

Quoting CARST (Reply 9):
And everyone at MQ and AA should know, too, if they would give up some percent of their income, so costs could be lowered to industry standard there would be no outsourcing at all. It is just all coming back at the greedy unions...

Huh? Do you have any knowledge of how much eagle pilots are paid compared to the industry average? Because based on your comment it is very clear you do not.



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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2349 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2881 times:

Quoting skyguyB727 (Reply 15):
I certainly didn't feel greedy or overpaid when I was making $5.00 an hour (minimum wage) as an agent in the late 1990s. I had 13 years of industry experience. At that time, McDonalds in my city was starting at $7.50 an hour. BTW, JBo, there was, and still is no union for agents. They are a non-union workgroup.

That wasn't my quote, Skyguy, that was CARST, but no harm no foul  



I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
User currently offlineAZNCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2883 times:

Quoting CARST (Reply 9):

You got to be kidding! How the the unions being greedy? They took cuts after cuts and upper management still want to take more! So how are the union greedy? I don't see AA upper managements and executive leadership taking any cut!


User currently offlinedurangomac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

Quoting norcal (Reply 12):
It has nothing to do with saving money, it's actually rumored that the OO/EV bid was higher than the MQ bid.

I can tell you that isn't true. My knowledge of the situation is the OO/EV bid was cheaper than MQ. Apparently CASM at OO is cheaper hands down even with the more "expensive" CRJ-200's.


User currently offlinefutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2605 posts, RR: 8
Reply 25, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

Quoting durangomac (Reply 24):
Apparently CASM at OO is cheaper hands down even with the more "expensive" CRJ-200's.

Much better economies of scale at OO, me thinks.



Life is better when you surf.
User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8292 posts, RR: 23
Reply 26, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2732 times:

Quoting AZNCSA4QF744ER (Reply 23):
So how are the union greedy?

Unions absolutely can be and often are greedy, however this whole situation is obviously not the fault of the union. Mismanagement comes from, surprise, management, and while unions often don't help the situation down the line, it's generally the managers who get the company into that predicament in the first place.

The sad part is that having an in-house regional helped to separate AAL from the rest of the group, and now they're just another company whoring out their regional flying. You can literally fly any major in the US and wind up on a Skywest jet- American, Delta, United, USAirways, even Alaska. It's nothing against Skywest, necessarily, but it speaks volumes for the all-around crappiness of the industry when every airline that is supposedly competing puts 40% of their pax on the same airplanes.



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User currently offlineB377 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2600 times:

Quoting durangomac (Reply 24):
I can tell you that isn't true. My knowledge of the situation is the OO/EV bid was cheaper than MQ. Apparently CASM at OO is cheaper hands down even with the more "expensive" CRJ-200's.

While I do not know what pricing AA was able to obtain with the EV bid in particular, I did check some XXX to DFW and return markets in April 2013 and have noticed quite a few markets with additional flying. ABI, AMA, HOU, SHV - DFW all have 1 or more added daily frequencies. Have not had time check out all of the remainder local former AE markets to see if they are similarly affected. Maybe someone else on A-net knows the particulars?


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9509 posts, RR: 14
Reply 28, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

Quoting CARST (Reply 9):
And everyone at MQ and AA should know, too, if they would give up some percent of their income, so costs could be lowered to industry standard there would be no outsourcing at all. It is just all coming back at the greedy unions...

So all I get from this is your just posting to post anti-labor crap without a real reason. I can think of tons of airline employees who have less and still get outsourced....

Quoting futureualpilot (Reply 20):

Right, let the employee groups bail out poor management yet again. Management can do no wrong. If you honestly believe what the employees would give up would be returned if the company became profitable again, you're in a fantasy world I'd like to visit.

me too

Quoting flyorski (Reply 21):

Huh? Do you have any knowledge of how much eagle pilots are paid compared to the industry average? Because based on your comment it is very clear you do not.

not likely. Its fairly normal around here for people to post anti-labor just to do so. 9 times out of 10 they are management or have no idea what its like to work for an airline.



yep.
User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 820 posts, RR: 2
Reply 29, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 28):

So all I get from this is your just posting to post anti-labor crap without a real reason. I can think of tons of airline employees who have less and still get outsourced....

Not only aimed at you Delta1011man, but everyone who commented on my "heartless" comment. What I posted is not anti-union-crap. This are facts. And it does not matter how much pay-cuts the employees at AA already took. If the costs at AA and their subsidiaries are still so much over industry-average the employees have to take more pay-cuts.

I know that does not sound nice and it is not understandable to the worker who was used to earn much more and now has to cope with the lower income. But face it, either Chapter 7 or a new leaner AA after Chapter 11 with a much, much lower cost-basis.


If the unions and their members decide to work against the management at AA, everything they'll get is to see how 50-60% of the employees end up on the street while the others find jobs in the industry elsewhere, perhaps being picked up by US. I like that to happen, just for the union members to face reality once in their life, but I don't want that to happen for all the employees and rational people out there working for the AA group.

A new, leaner company, with a lower cost-basis, perhaps even merged with US, will be beneficial to everyone in the long-run. Fewer competition results in higher airfares, the lower cost-basis results in a profitable company, both combined will result in better payed employees in the future.


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