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OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6398 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".


It's interesting that when Eagle was short of A/C, it was LAX they cut and now that they seem to have solved the problem, it is LAX they are adding back...hmm...
AA LAX-ELP APR 1.0>1.9 MAY 1.0>1.9 JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>1.9
AA LAX-SJC APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6

AB JFK-DUS MAY 1.0>1.3 JUN 1.0>1.4 JUL 1.0>1.4
AB LAX-DUS JUN 0.4>0.6 JUL 0.4>0.5
AB MIA-DUS MAY 0.7>0.9 JUN 0.7>1.0 JUL 0.7>1.0
AB MIA-TXL MAY 0.4>0.7 JUN 0.4>0.7 JUL 0.4>0.7

AM LAS-MEX JAN 3>1.9
AM LAS-MTY DEC 0.3>0.5
AM LAX-BJX JAN 0.5>0.2 FEB 0.6>0.5
AM LAX-LTO JAN 0>0.2
AM LRD-MTY DEC 0>0.6
AM ONT-GDL JAN 1.0>0.6
AM ORD-GDL JAN 0.5>0.2
AM SAT-MTY JAN 0.6>1.0
AM SMF-GDL JAN 0.5>0.7

*AS BOS-SAN APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*AS LIH-SAN JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0
AS PDX-BOI MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
AS PDX-GEG MAR 8>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7 JUN 8>7 JUL 8>7
*AS SAN-LIH JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0
AS SEA-OAK JUL 5>4

AZ BOS-FCO APR 0.7>0.8 JUN 0.9>1.0 JUL 0.8>1.0
AZ JFK-MXP APR 0.7>0.8 MAY 0.7>1.0 JUN 0.7>1.0 JUL 0.7>1.0
AZ LAX-FCO MAY 0.6>0.4
AZ MIA-FCO MAY 0.8>1.0
AZ MIA-MXP APR 0.4>0.1 MAY 0.5>0 JUN 0.4>0 JUL 0.4>0

I'm not sure I know why they ever flew this. It's like DL's ill-fated LAX-SNA.
*B6 BUR-LAS JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
*B6 JFK-ABQ MAY 0>1.0
Looks like BUR may disappear completely.
*B6 JFK-BUR JAN 1.9>1.2 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 1.9>1.0
Wow...
*B6 JFK-PIT MAR 2>0 APR 2>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 1.3>0

BA EWR-ORY MAR 1.7>1.1
BA JFK-ORY MAR 0.0>0.9

DL ATL-ABQ MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
DL ATL-AVL MAR 7>8
DL ATL-BHM JAN 10>9 FEB 10>9 APR 11>10 MAY 11>10
DL ATL-BNA MAR 11>10 APR 11>10 MAY 11>10
DL ATL-CHS MAR 10>11
*DL ATL-COU JAN 3>1.8 FEB 3>0.5 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0
DL ATL-JAN APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
DL ATL-MGM MAY 10>9
DL ATL-PNS MAR 8>7
DL ATL-ROA MAR 5>4
DL ATL-ROC MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
DL ATL-RSW MAR 10>9
DL ATL-SAV MAR 9>10
DL ATL-SRQ MAR 7>6
DL ATL-ZRH JAN 0.7>0.6
Not a lot of love in MCI lately.
*DL BOS-MCI JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0
DL DTW-ABE MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
DL DTW-AZO MAY 6>5
DL DTW-CVG MAR 5>6 APR 5>6 MAY 5>6
DL DTW-ERI MAR 4>3 MAY 4>3
*DL DTW-FSD MAR 1.0>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.9>0.7
DL DTW-GRB MAR 5>6 APR 5>6
DL DTW-ITH MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>1.9 MAY 3>1.8
*DL DTW-LSE MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0.7
DL DTW-MKE MAR 7>6
DL DTW-MQT MAR 1.8>3 APR 1.9>3 MAY 1.9>3 JUN 1.8>3 JUL 1.8>3
DL DTW-NGO APR 0.7>0.8 MAY 0.9>1.0
DL DTW-OKC MAY 1.7>3
DL DTW-OMA MAR 3>4
DL DTW-PDX APR 0.8>0.5 MAY 0.9>0.6
DL DTW-SFO MAR 4>3
Wonder if we'll see DL cutting more FNT with WN now flying BWI.
*DL FNT-MSP MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>1.9 MAY 3>1.8
DL JFK-CLE MAR 2.0>1.0
DL JFK-CLT MAR 2.0>1.0
DL JFK-CMH MAR 2.0>1.0
DL JFK-IAD MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
DL JFK-MSP MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
DL JFK-YUL MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
DL LAX-JFK MAR 7>8 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8
DL LGA-MCO MAR 7>6
DL LGA-MHT MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
DL LGA-MSY MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
DL LGA-PBI MAR 5>4
DL LGA-TPA MAR 5>4
DL LGA-YHZ MAR 1.0>2.0 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.3>2
*DL MEM-BOS MAR 1.6>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8 JUN 1.7>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.9
*DL MEM-SGF MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.8>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0
DL MOT-MSP MAR 7>6
DL MSO-MSP MAR 2.0>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0
DL MSP-PHL MAR 5>4
DL MSP-RAP MAY 4>5
DL MSP-SEA MAY 5>6
*DL MSP-TUS JUN 1.0>0.3 JUL 1.0>0
DL SLC-DEN MAR 8>7
DL SLC-DFW MAR 5>4

F9 Year-over-Year compare for APR-JUN at the bottom with new schedule extension.
Quite a few MCO cuts...
F9 ABE-MCO APR 0.7>0.2
F9 MCO-MSN APR 0.1>0.0
F9 MCO-OMA APR 0.4>0.2
F9 MCO-SHD APR 0.4>0.1
They are cutting back TTN??? They just announced more flights.
*F9 MCO-TTN FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.2 APR 0.3>0.1
F9 MKE-MCO APR 0.4>0.1

FJ LAX-HNL DEC 0.1>0

FL TPA-SJU APR 1.0>0.4 MAY 1.0>0

G4 HNL-SMX MAR 0.2>0.1
G4 SMX-HNL FEB 0.1>0

JL SAN-NRT MAR 0.6>1.0 APR 0.6>1.0 MAY 0.6>1.0 JUN 0.6>1.0 JUL 0.6>1.0

LI SJU-ANU JUL 0.1>1.0
LI STT-AXA JUL 0.1>1.0
LI STT-SXM JUL 0.1>1.0
LI STX-SXM JUL 0.1>1.0

OS ORD-VIE MAY 0>0.4 JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>0.7

OZ SPN-NRT DEC 0>0.3

UA EWR-FLL MAY 7>6
UA EWR-MCI MAY 5>4
UA EWR-MCO MAY 9>8
UA EWR-MHT MAY 4>3
UA EWR-MSP MAY 6>5
UA EWR-NAS MAY 2>1.5
UA EWR-PBI MAY 7>5
UA EWR-PHX MAY 4>3
Gulfstream SF3s
*UA FLL-MCO JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3 APR 0>3 MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3
UA IAH-YEG MAR 2>3
UA IAH-YVR MAR 1.0>1.3
UA ORD-CLT APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
UA ORD-ICT APR 5>4
UA ORD-IND APR 10>11 MAY 10>11 JUN 10>11 JUL 10>11
UA ORD-LIR MAR 0.6>0.5
UA ORD-OKC APR 5>4
UA ORD-SBN APR 6>5
UA ORD-STL APR 10>9
UA ORD-YYC MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
UA PBI-TPA JAN 0>1.4 FEB 0>1.7 MAR 0>1.7 APR 0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7

US DCA-DTW FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4 APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
US DCA-MYR FEB 0.3>1.2 MAR 0.3>1.2 APR 0.3>1.1 MAY 0.3>1.1 JUN 0.3>1.2 JUL 0.3>1.1
US PHL-PUJ FEB 1.4>1.8 MAR 1.5>1.7

WG MCO-YYZ DEC 0.7>0.5

Y4 LAS-MEX DEC 1.8>3 FEB 1.0>1.2 MAR 1.0>1.2 APR 1.0>1.1 MAY 1.0>1.1 JUN 1.0>1.2 JUL 1.0>1.1
Y4 LAX-GDL FEB 3>2 MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
Y4 LAX-ZCL FEB 0.6>0.4 MAR 0.6>0.5 APR 0.6>0.4 MAY 0.5>0.4 JUN 0.6>0.4 JUL 0.6>0.4
Y4 MDW-MEX FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6 APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0.6 JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.5
Y4 MDW-MLM FEB 0.7>0.6 MAR 0.7>0.6 APR 0.7>0.6 MAY 0.7>0.6 JUN 0.7>0.6 JUL 0.7>0.5
Y4 OAK-GDL FEB 2>1.3 MAR 2>1.3 APR 2>1.3 MAY 2>1.3 JUN 2>1.3 JUL 2>1.3
Y4 SMF-GDL DEC 0.3>0.6

Year over year compare for F9. By my count, DEN has lost about 32 RTs for next Summer.  
F9 CLE-PUJ APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>0.3
F9 COS-PHX APR 0>0.7
F9 CVG-CUN APR 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.1
F9 CVG-PUJ APR 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.1
F9 DCA-OMA APR 1.8>1.0 MAY 1.9>1.0 JUN 1.8>1.0
F9 DEN-ATL APR 3>0.9 MAY 3>0.9 JUN 3>0.8
F9 DEN-AZA APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
F9 DEN-BIL APR 1.5>0 MAY 1.8>0 JUN 2>0
F9 DEN-BIS APR 0>0.7
F9 DEN-BLI JUN 1.0>0.6
F9 DEN-BNA MAY 3>1.9 JUN 3>1.8
F9 DEN-BZN APR 1.4>1.0 MAY 1.7>1.0 JUN 2>1.0
F9 DEN-CAK APR 1.9>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0
F9 DEN-COS APR 5>3 MAY 5>3 JUN 5>3
F9 DEN-CUN APR 1.2>1.1
F9 DEN-CZM MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2
F9 DEN-DAY APR 1.9>0.9 MAY 1.9>0.9 JUN 2>0.8
F9 DEN-DFW MAY 6>5 JUN 7>6
F9 DEN-DRO APR 1.5>0.9 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0
F9 DEN-DSM APR 1.8>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0
F9 DEN-DTW APR 2>1.2 JUN 3>2
F9 DEN-FLL APR 1.9>1.0 JUN 1.4>1.0
F9 DEN-GEG APR 1.8>1.0 MAY 3>1.0 JUN 3>1.0
F9 DEN-IAH APR 0>1.6 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7
F9 DEN-ICT APR 1.9>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0
F9 DEN-LAS APR 6>5 MAY 7>5 JUN 7>5
F9 DEN-LGA APR 4>1.9 MAY 4>2 JUN 4>2
F9 DEN-MDW APR 4>3
F9 DEN-MSP JUN 5>4
F9 DEN-OMA APR 4>2 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3
F9 DEN-PDX APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 6>4
F9 DEN-PHF MAY 0.6>0.4 JUN 1.0>0.4
F9 DEN-PHL APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
F9 DEN-PUJ JUN 0>0.1
F9 DEN-PVR APR 1.0>0.8
F9 DEN-PVU APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
F9 DEN-RFD APR 0.4>0.2 MAY 0.5>0.3
F9 DEN-SBA MAY 1.3>0.9 JUN 1.6>0.8
F9 DEN-SDF APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
F9 DEN-SEA APR 5>4 MAY 6>4 JUN 6>4
F9 DEN-SFO APR 5>4 MAY 5>4
F9 DEN-SJD APR 1.0>0.8
F9 DEN-SJO APR 0.8>0.6
F9 DEN-SMF APR 1.7>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0
F9 MCI-DCA APR 3>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0
F9 MCI-DEN APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4
F9 MCO-MDT APR 0>0.7
F9 MCO-MSN APR 0.1>0.0
F9

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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6429 times:

F9 MCO-OMA APR 0.4>0.2
F9 MKE-DEN APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3
F9 MKE-MCO APR 1.1>0.1 MAY 1.1>0
F9 MKE-RHI APR 1.9>0 MAY 1.9>0 JUN 1.8>0
F9 ORD-MBJ APR 0>0.1 MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2
F9 ORD-PUJ APR 0>0.6 MAY 0>0.4 JUN 0>0.4
F9 PHL-PUJ APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3
F9 PIT-CUN MAY 0>0.2
F9 PIT-PUJ MAY 0>0.1
F9 RFD-CUN MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2
F9 RFD-PUJ APR 0>0.1
F9 STL-CUN APR 0.6>0.8 MAY 0.7>0.9
F9 STL-MBJ APR 0>0.1 MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>0.3
F9 STL-PUJ APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3


User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4366 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6410 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 JFK-BUR JAN 1.9>1.2 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 1.9>1.0
Wow...

As others have said it's quite amazing how much B6 has cut back in the trans-con market.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL BOS-MCI JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0

Reaction to WN starting BOS-MCI? Probably not a route DL thinks is worth fighting for.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-FSD MAR 1.0>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.9>0.7
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL FNT-MSP MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>1.9 MAY 3>1.8
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-LSE MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0.7

Easier to route people through their closest hubs, I suppose (LSE & FSD through MSP, FNT through DTW).



Next flights: WN DSM-LAS-PHX, US PHX-SJD. Return: US SJD-PHX, WN PHX-MDW-DSM
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6408 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL DTW-FSD MAR 1.0>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.9>0.7

*DL DTW-LSE MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0.7

Both DTW-FSD & LSE are routes that were seasonally suspended this winter since they are primarily connected to the network via MSP. DTW-FSD was a fairly recent add within the past few years, but it directly overflies MSP. In addition, since its a longer route, its been flown with a CR7 lately. Both routes are scheduled to return in June.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Wonder if we'll see DL cutting more FNT with WN now flying BWI.
*DL FNT-MSP MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>1.9 MAY 3>1.8

The change in frequency on FNT-MSP has nothing to do really with WN. MSP-FNT was mainline with NW, but got cut way back post-merger to 1x per day on a CRJ. Last year they added back the 2nd daily weekday flight. I do not believe that DL has operated MSP-FNT 3x per day at any pont post-merger, so this is more or less a continuation of the current schedule.

However, ATL-FNT is directly impacted. Currently flown at 3x MD-88, DL is cutting back to 1x MD-88 & 2x CR9 in March. No surprise they are reducing capacity (even during peak spring break period) with WN/FL exiting the route. DL added a significant amount of capacity to FNT-ATL, which used to be a CR7 route pre-merger, then got bumped up to DC-9s, and now MD-88s.


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3382 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6414 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-CLE MAR 2.0>1.0
DL JFK-CLT MAR 2.0>1.0
DL JFK-CMH MAR 2.0>1.0
DL JFK-IAD MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
DL JFK-MSP MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
DL JFK-YUL MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2

Surprised this isn't getting more press.

Looks like Delta is once again pulling down JFK.

This time it lasted longer than in any of the past "hub declarations" in the late 90s and early 2000s. Sad


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6414 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 JFK-PIT MAR 2>0 APR 2>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 1.3>0

Well.......there goes my hopes of B6 coming into CVG   

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
JL SAN-NRT MAR 0.6>1.0 APR 0.6>1.0 MAY 0.6>1.0 JUN 0.6>1.0 JUL 0.6>1.0

787 flight?   



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2211 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6410 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-CLE MAR 2.0>1.0
DL JFK-CLT MAR 2.0>1.0
DL JFK-CMH MAR 2.0>1.0
DL JFK-IAD MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
DL JFK-MSP MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
DL JFK-YUL MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2

Surprised this isn't getting more press.

Looks like Delta is once again pulling down JFK.

This time it lasted longer than in any of the past "hub declarations" in the late 90s and early 2000s. Sad

I don't think this is a pulldown!

I think DL is just delaying their spring / summer JFK buildup one month, which isn't surprising given the grim economic situation in Europe, and the deteriorating economy in the US.

If DL had discontinued these routes completely in the summer peak months, then it might be the start of a pulldown.

[Edited 2012-11-20 10:04:27]


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User currently offlinekcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6407 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 Year-over-Year compare for APR-JUN at the bottom with new schedule extension.
Quite a few MCO cuts...
F9 ABE-MCO APR 0.7>0.2
F9 MCO-MSN APR 0.1>0.0
F9 MCO-OMA APR 0.4>0.2
F9 MCO-SHD APR 0.4>0.1
They are cutting back TTN??? They just announced more flights.
*F9 MCO-TTN FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.2 APR 0.3>0.1
F9 MKE-MCO APR 0.4>0.1

Looking at the schedule, SHD is gone with a message saying service ends in April. TTN still showing the increase to 4x daily. MDT is still around, ABE is gone obviously. MSN shows varying amounts of service Nov-July ( going to 1x weekly after april.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6408 times:

Quoting iowaman (Reply 2):
As others have said it's quite amazing how much B6 has cut back in the trans-con market.

They seem hot on Florida at this point. Odd...

Quoting iowaman (Reply 2):
Reaction to WN starting BOS-MCI? Probably not a route DL thinks is worth fighting for.

I'm glad that is their new attitude. Remember, they added that route to retaliate against F9 for MCI-MSP.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 3):
However, ATL-FNT is directly impacted. Currently flown at 3x MD-88, DL is cutting back to 1x MD-88 & 2x CR9 in March. No surprise they are reducing capacity (even during peak spring break period) with WN/FL exiting the route. DL added a significant amount of capacity to FNT-ATL, which used to be a CR7 route pre-merger, then got bumped up to DC-9s, and now MD-88s.

It's easier to explain why they had to add seats in the face of new competition than cut seats when competitors also cut seats.   But, we all know what they are doing.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4):
Surprised this isn't getting more press.

Looks like Delta is once again pulling down JFK
Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 7):
I think DL is just delaying their spring / summer JFK buildup one month, which isn't surprising given the grim economic situation in Europe, and the deteriorating economy in the US.

Well, I think it is fair to say that "peak" gets smaller and smaller it seems. At some point the Winter schedule becomes the "regular schedule".

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 5):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 DEN-ATL APR 3>0.9 MAY 3>0.9 JUN 3>0.8

For God sake die already.

The whole airline's schedule looks like swiss cheese.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 JFK-PIT MAR 2>0 APR 2>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 1.3>0

Well.......there goes my hopes of B6 coming into CVG

I'd say that dooms the whole Midwest. It's just hard to make it work flying to the Ocean and then connecting to basically nothing.  
Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 8):
TTN still showing the increase to 4x daily.

You are saying the cut to TTN-MCO they filed is incorrect? It you are saying that all the stuff they announced adds up to 4x daily? I don't think it does. Maybe 2 daily flights. Most of that stuff is just a couple per week I thought.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6408 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 7):
I don't think this is a pulldown!

I think DL is just delaying their spring / summer JFK buildup one month, which isn't surprising given the grim economic situation in Europe, and the deteriorating economy in the US.

If DL had discontinued these routes completely in the summer peak months, then it might be the start of a pulldown.

Exactly!

All the JFK changes are for March or the spring months and are really an extension of the frequency that is flown over the winter months. In most cases, each route also have service to LGA, while we are still within the first year of the new LGA hub.

Note that the majority of DL's changes loaded this month are tweaking the March/April/May schedule and in many cases either at the same frequency that was flown last year, or an extension of the winter seasonal reductions later into the spring.

The OAG threads are informative, but in many cases it gets people running around like Chicken Little.


User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1900 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6407 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 9):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 JFK-PIT MAR 2>0 APR 2>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 1.3>0

Well.......there goes my hopes of B6 coming into CVG

I'd say that dooms the whole Midwest. It's just hard to make it work flying to the Ocean and then connecting to basically nothing.

If this is the case, where exactly are B6's future growth opportunities? I can see the Caribbean, but that pretty much seems to be it. They seem to have stagnated on transcons, the West Coast and JFK, it's pretty sad, if you ask me, if they're apparently incapable of expanding anywhere in the US outside the East Coast.


User currently offlinekcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6411 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 9):
You are saying the cut to TTN-MCO they filed is incorrect? It you are saying that all the stuff they announced adds up to 4x daily? I don't think it does. Maybe 2 daily flights. Most of that stuff is just a couple per week I thought.

I was just talking about MCO-TTN. Which is showing 4x. All of their other flying is still showing.. which adds up to about 2x per day.


User currently offlineWHatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6408 times:

G4 looks to be pulling HNL-SMX. Not bookable for the spring. Wonder what the story is? Returning in the summer?

User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5366 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6407 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4):
Surprised this isn't getting more press.

Looks like Delta is once again pulling down JFK.

This might also mark the phase-out of more 50-seaters. DL could probably substitute a 70 for the two 50's at that time of year and maybe make it a single 717 in the summer..



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6405 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 14):
This might also mark the phase-out of more 50-seaters. DL could probably substitute a 70 for the two 50's at that time of year and maybe make it a single 717 in the summer..

Its not that. It is simply offering the sam reduced capacity as they are offering on those flights in Feb, extending out into March and April

The 50 seaters do not start leaving the fleet untl later in 2013. Additionally, the 717s will initially be at ATL, and later in DTW. No not expect 717s to be in NYC initally.

Also this is the first winter with the new LGA hub. Naturally there are going to be some adjustments as most of these markets now have significantly more capacity into NYC than they previously did before the LGA expansion.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2986 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6404 times:

Quoting WHatUsaid (Reply 13):
G4 looks to be pulling HNL-SMX. Not bookable for the spring. Wonder what the story is? Returning in the summer?

Didn't they pull MRY-HNL also?

How is G4's BLI-HNL/OGG competing with AS's established service?


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3720 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6404 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA ORD-IND APR 10>11 MAY 10>11 JUN 10>11 JUL 10>11

Reaction to WN leaving MDW-IND?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-COU JAN 3>1.8 FEB 3>0.5 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0

As stated before, this is because DL spurned COU's incentive package after Eagle entered the market with similar incentives.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5790 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6404 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
G4 HNL-SMX MAR 0.2>0.1
G4 SMX-HNL FEB 0.1>0
Quoting WHatUsaid (Reply 13):
G4 looks to be pulling HNL-SMX. Not bookable for the spring. Wonder what the story is? Returning in the summer?

No its a temporary seasonal reduction.

Allegiant said recently they are seeing what their President Andrew Levy called on the last presentation webcast "superseasonality" booking swings on HNL routes (low periods are very low bookings, high periods are very high). They told institutional investors there will be more schedule variability on Hawaii routes than used elsewhere in the system in order to match capacity to demand.



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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1882 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6407 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-OKC MAY 1.7>3

Sweet!!!  
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA ORD-OKC APR 5>4

Boooooo!  


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9180 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6408 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 11):
If this is the case, where exactly are B6's future growth opportunities? I can see the Caribbean, but that pretty much seems to be it. They seem to have stagnated on transcons, the West Coast and JFK, it's pretty sad, if you ask me, if they're apparently incapable of expanding anywhere in the US outside the East Coast.

I don't think how PIT does/did for B6 on the JFK flights should be any indicator for the midwest as a whole. B6 has struggled on PIT-JFK since it began back in 2006. How close is BOS-PIT being axed? I'm thinking it's inevitable, but I guess that's just me. Perhaps DL could come back on that route and try something other than the 3 daily CRJs which were doomed from the start...

Aren't they in ORD? How is that going for B6?



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User currently offlineFlyHossD From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 847 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6404 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 DEN-IAH APR 0>1.6 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7

This is a surprise to me, but a good one. It will increase my and my family's use of Frontier.



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6401 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):
The OAG threads are informative, but in many cases it gets people running around like Chicken Little.

I hear what you are saying, but to the extent that the airlines are selling future non-stops that they have no intention to fly I'd say that is borderline illegal bait and switch. I think the law would say that if they are selling these flights, they intend to fly them. If they are selling them and cutting them every year then some lawyer should file a class action and make a boatload.

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 12):
Quoting enilria (Reply 9):
You are saying the cut to TTN-MCO they filed is incorrect? It you are saying that all the stuff they announced adds up to 4x daily? I don't think it does. Maybe 2 daily flights. Most of that stuff is just a couple per week I thought.

I was just talking about MCO-TTN. Which is showing 4x. All of their other flying is still showing.. which adds up to about 2x per day.

So, when you say 4x daily, you mean that it operates 4x each week?

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 17):
Reaction to WN leaving MDW-IND?

I suspect they'd have cut in reaction to that.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 20):

I don't think how PIT does/did for B6 on the JFK flights should be any indicator for the midwest as a whole. B6 has struggled on PIT-JFK since it began back in 2006.

CMH...BNA...ORD is not doing well.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 20):
How close is BOS-PIT being axed? I'm thinking it's inevitable, but I guess that's just me. Perhaps DL could come back on that route and try something other than the 3 daily CRJs which were doomed from the start...

I think it was a lot closer before DL dropped it.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 20):
Aren't they in ORD? How is that going for B6?

Not well. They have cut JFK to such a low frequency that it's a joke. I think they also dropped LGB from ORD.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6405 times:
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Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-OKC MAY 1.7>3

Sweet!!!
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA ORD-OKC APR 5>4

Boooooo!

Actually its good. The more traffic that is funneled through DTW and the less that is funneled through ORD, the better


User currently offlinekcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6400 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 22):
So, when you say 4x daily, you mean that it operates 4x each week?

Yes, 4x weekly. I didn't consider this thread discusses other airlines which actually have some daily ops ( frontier joke ).


User currently offlinecschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6401 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 16):
Didn't they pull MRY-HNL also?

Yes, it was cancelled a while back, before ever starting (was supposed to start last Friday the 16th).


25 kgaiflyer : With UA now gone, and with WN down to 3 nonstops a day, this route should be able to support mainline service from AA.
26 Post contains images SANFan : A few mentions of SAN on this week's report -- and they are all GOOD! I'm thinking that 2013 might just be a pretty nice year for Lindbergh Field -- n
27 EWRkid1990 : Any explanation for B6 pulling JFK-PIT?
28 flyb : UA's IAH-YEG is just Sundays.
29 cotparampguy : Awesome. After I saw WN was axing that route along with TPA I thought I was going to have to drive everytime I went to Orlando.
30 bobloblaw : when does WN drop FLL-TPA?
31 cotparampguy : I should have said reduced TPA, I read somewhere they were reducing that route along with completely stopping MCO.
32 Post contains links phatfarmlines : Sometime next year: Southwest to cancel Lauderdale-Orlando route in January Source: Orlando Sentinel Interesting to see 3M re-enter the market....mak
33 BatonOps : F9 DEN-MDT returns in May 2013.
34 mah4546 : WN isn't dropping FLL-TPA.
35 yellowtail : This route (like YYC) is doing well. Much of the traffic is transferring to Central and N. South America....LIM, PTY, SJO, LIR, RTB and BZE are the b
36 Post contains images enilria : Pretty clearly they seem to be adding NE-Florida capacity. With the continued demise of the AirTran network, it's probably not a terrible move. I get
37 PIEAvantiP180 : No they are not, at least for now. They are dropping PBI-TPA and FLL-TPA is going from 7 daily to 5. US and DL flying LGA-PIT about half a dozen time
38 steeler83 : What's there to explain? It stunk into the stratosphere since they started it.
39 flyguy89 : True, but long term, that market can only offer so much growth.
40 Post contains images mtnwest1979 : Off topic but looking at WN pdf for FLL for week of June 9,2013, they combined Portland,OR and ME all under PWM. Nice editing lol. Also just saw same
41 Post contains images SurfandSnow : Will be interesting to see if this route can sustain two competing carriers. AA threw in the towel rather quickly after B6 started it, but this may h
42 flyb : Yes it is doing extremely well, hope to seem them move to 3x daily as the new Sunday flights are great connection slots at both airports.
43 panam330 : I can't figure out why they haven't added at least token PIT-Florida flights to help sustain the station. With only WN to compete with, and PIT being
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