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User currently offlinevlad1971 From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11958 times:

US AIRWAYS awarded new services between CLT and LHR as of March 2013 .

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-air...ded-london-heathrow-190000401.html

Does it mean LGW base will be closed for US ??

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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1032 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11972 times:

Quoting vlad1971 (Thread starter):
Does it mean LGW base will be closed for US ??

I would think so. LGW didn't last long from PHL after they started LHR service.



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User currently onlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3401 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11972 times:

No details about the time slot they received.

User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2181 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11975 times:

Wow! Great for US.

The flight will originate in MIA? Interesting...

Quoting vlad1971 (Thread starter):
Does it mean LGW base will be closed for US ??

Most definitely. No reason to keep it open and split operations between two airports, esp with the higher-yielding traffic headed to one largely over the other.



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User currently onlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3401 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11976 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 3):
The flight will originate in MIA? Interesting...

Likely all that means is the flight number will originate in MIA, highly doubt it will be the same aircraft on MIA-CLT-LHR.


User currently offlineORDBOSEWR From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11973 times:

So they did not buy the slot from someone.
How did they get the slot? Auction?

I guess that other *A members did not want so share.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32695 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11974 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 4):
Likely all that means is the flight number will originate in MIA, highly doubt it will be the same aircraft on MIA-CLT-LHR.

Not quire sure. Might be a slot coming from AA/BA, which I think might require the plane to originate in Miami, too.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3694 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11974 times:

Well, the press release says:

The new service from Charlotte, N.C. will supplement the airline's existing daily service between its international gateway in Philadelphia and London Heathrow.

It's clear that Gatwick is as good as gone.


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1540 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11979 times:

This slot pair is from AA/BA as part of their carve out which is why it originates in MIA. DL was recently awarded a pair of slots from the carve out which will be a third ATL-LHR flight originating in DFW.


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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3694 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11973 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 8):
This slot pair is from AA/BA as part of their carve out which is why it originates in MIA. DL was recently awarded a pair of slots from the carve out which will be a third ATL-LHR flight originating in DFW.

Can we consider US on MIA-CLT-LHR an alternative allowed by the antitrust organs to replace DL's MIA-LHR?


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1540 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11972 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 9):

Yes. The terms of the oneworld ATI were that they had to divest 4 slot pairs: 2 to BOS, 1 to DFW and MIA. If the DFW/MIA pairs were not used by 2013, they could be used for direct flights as we're seeing with US/DL.



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11971 times:

If the merger occurs would the slot revert to being a carve out again thus discontinuing the CLT-LHR flight?


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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3694 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11968 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 10):
Yes. The terms of the oneworld ATI were that they had to divest 4 slot pairs: 2 to BOS, 1 to DFW and MIA. If the DFW/MIA pairs were not used by 2013, they could be used for direct flights as we're seeing with US/DL.

Well, thank you for the info!

I guess it's the end of an era, then. There will be no US airlines left at Gatwick.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11393 times:

Been waiting for this for years, nice to see it will actually happen.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 7):
Well, the press release says:

The new service from Charlotte, N.C. will supplement the airline's existing daily service between its international gateway in Philadelphia and London Heathrow.

It's clear that Gatwick is as good as gone.

I'm not quite sure. Supplement usually means in addition to, does it not? The Charlotte Observer release says:

Quote:
US Airways said the new flights will supplement existing service from Charlotte to Gatwick, and hasn’t reached a final decision on whether the Gatwick service will continue or be shifted to Heathrow.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3229 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11353 times:

Once CLT-LHR is open, what do you think will happen to yields on CLT-LGW as US cannibalises it's own route? CO, NW, DL and now US all said they'd operate from both. Only DL lasted more than one summer at LGW after getting LHR slots.

User currently onlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3401 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11316 times:

With the current TA schedule including CLT-LHR hasn't US pretty much maxed out its 330s? If they want to continue CLT-LGW will it have to be a 762 or 752?

User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11284 times:

BA used to file a flight plan CLT-BWI-LHR and just cxl the CLT-BWI portion. Not sure why they did that- maybe to hold the slot?


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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3694 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11033 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 13):
I'm not quite sure. Supplement usually means in addition to, does it not? The Charlotte Observer release says:

Well, I hadn't read the Charlotte Observer's article, but you see that the press release says that the service will supplement PHL-LHR, while the article attributes the supplement to CLT-LGW. Perhaps CLT-LGW will operate for the summer only to make US's case to axe it afterwards.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10925 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 14):
Once CLT-LHR is open, what do you think will happen to yields on CLT-LGW as US cannibalises it's own route? CO, NW, DL and now US all said they'd operate from both. Only DL lasted more than one summer at LGW after getting LHR slots.

US indeed flew PHL-LGW after launching LHR, I forget how long it lasted for...I think they lasted more than one summer. It was a 752 at the end.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 17):
Perhaps CLT-LGW will operate for the summer only to make US's case to axe it afterwards.

I could see this happening. I have noticed that on the LGW end, US has attracted quite a leisure based crowd connecting onwards to Florida. I wonder if this will change with the switch to LHR.



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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4166 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10465 times:

Not strictly related to the new LHR service, but is there any truth in the rumour that the two seasonal Euro routes from CLT (Dublin and Madrid) are not doing so great?


I'd agree with others about LGW - It's probably as good as toast, which LGW's new owners will not be pleased about.



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User currently offlinefcaa321 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2011, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10089 times:

I flew with US into Gatwick overnight this Sunday and the flight was full in both classes! they were even offering incentives due to overbooking. Fab airline with a great inflight product - shame about the staff and flight meal.

[Edited 2012-11-20 23:16:48]

User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9660 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 13):
I'm not quite sure. Supplement usually means in addition to, does it not?

Its clear its supplementing LHR - LHR. Sorry to say but US days at LGW are nearly over but i think its a good move, more higher yielding passengers will use LHR and lets be honest money talks.


User currently offlineAussieItaliano From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9495 times:

If only the authors of Bermuda II could see this! All US based airlines are now operating into LHR from all their US gateways. If LGW-CLT gets the axe, as I'm fairly certain it will, then only British carriers will be flying from LGW to the US.


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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4200 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8768 times:

Quoting vlad1971 (Thread starter):

Does it mean LGW base will be closed for US ??

Hope so. LHR is where people want to fly to when coming from North America for connections to other parts of the world, i.e. me. Now only if they could improve on their in-flight service that would be something.



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 8325 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8643 times:
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Quoting skipness1E (Reply 14):
Once CLT-LHR is open, what do you think will happen to yields on CLT-LGW as US cannibalises it's own route? CO, NW, DL and now US all said they'd operate from both. Only DL lasted more than one summer at LGW after getting LHR slots

The logical event to happen is that USairways ends flights to LGW and starts LHR the next day. WHY would US run double London flights to both airports ? Does US even have enough planes for such a crazy thing.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3229 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8648 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 24):
WHY would US run double London flights to both airports ? Does US even have enough planes for such a crazy thing.

They did it with LON-PHL with LGW reduced to a B757 and LHR getting the A333. It lasted a few months as much of the existing LGW traffic just used LHR. I think with the new STAR LHR Terminal 2 coming on line soon, it's a good move for them.


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Reply 26, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8453 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 24):

Yep there getting 5 new A332 next year, GRU is getting a A332 next year, I have no idea when that routes starts


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7550 posts, RR: 25
Reply 27, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8280 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 18):
I could see this happening. I have noticed that on the LGW end, US has attracted quite a leisure based crowd connecting onwards to Florida. I wonder if this will change with the switch to LHR.

If DFW, IAH, ATL, and PHL could not support both LHR and LGW, no way CLT can.



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 28, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8104 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 19):
Dublin and Madrid) are not doing so great?

I was wondering the same, however they are both still in the schedule and US recently talked about CLT-DUB during the SNN press release.



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User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8092 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 25):
hey did it with LON-PHL with LGW reduced to a B757 and LHR getting the A333. It lasted a few months as much of the existing LGW traffic just used LHR. I think with the new STAR LHR Terminal 2 coming on line soon, it's a good move for them.

I flew PHL-LGW a fair bit back shortly after PHL-LHR started and before it was dropped as I had a client site relatively close to Gatwick. Loads were weak in the summer in coach and worse in business. When I flew to LHR, they were much healthier.

I see a lot more Star Alliance connections through LHR as well when I fly US there, which of course wasn't really ever possible at LGW save some regional flights within Europe.


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4200 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6585 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 18):

I could see this happening. I have noticed that on the LGW end, US has attracted quite a leisure based crowd connecting onwards to Florida. I wonder if this will change with the switch to LHR

These are low yield customers, not the passengers that are needed to make money. The leisure crowd generally would like to go direct to Florida and generally use British based airlines. The end of Bermuda II crated a mass evacuation to LHR from LGW for every US based carrier, due to demand of the passengers.



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4055 posts, RR: 8
Reply 31, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6500 times:

So is Gatwick now basically a ghost town compared to what it was in years past? The only stories I ever read on here about LGW involve airlines leaving the airport.

User currently onlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6387 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 31):
The only stories I ever read on here about LGW involve airlines leaving the airport.

Its not all doom and gloom, besides easyjets ever increasing presence Gatwick has recently attracted services to China Korea Vietnam and Turkey, to name a few.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3229 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6049 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 31):
So is Gatwick now basically a ghost town compared to what it was in years past? The only stories I ever read on here about LGW involve airlines leaving the airport.

Have a look at the Flight Arrivals / Departures on http://www.gatwickairport.com/flights/arrivals/

It's as busy as it ever was and remains the busiest single runway airport on Earth. It has however lost the BA hub, NW / DL, CO and now looks like losing US as well, however short haul remains busy and LGW's status as LHR's waiting room means both KE and CA have flights as well.
It's the ability to keep long haul in an open market where LHR dominates that's an issue, and the new owners GIP, may have gotten that part wrong. They've spent billions making LGW look awesome (in parts) when the main users are easyJet, Thomson, Virgin's beach fleet and nine based BA B777s on holiday flights. The based BA short haul fleet of 20 something B737/A319s remains for the minute as well.
They have also alienated flybe by overcharging them and lost much of Ryanair by....er charging them. However Norwegian is growing well and may be the next big thing. A long haul hub, well it's not(!)


User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 600 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6043 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 31):
So is Gatwick now basically a ghost town compared to what it was in years past? The only stories I ever read on here about LGW involve airlines leaving the airport.

Completely disagree. All airports have a few airlines leaving, even LHR.

LGW has done extremely well this year securing flights to Vietnam and China.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5592 posts, RR: 6
Reply 35, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5596 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 14):
Once CLT-LHR is open, what do you think will happen to yields on CLT-LGW as US cannibalises it's own route?

I don't think the yields were anything great to begin with... but either way it's not gonna be pretty for the LGW flight.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 17):
Perhaps CLT-LGW will operate for the summer only to make US's case to axe it afterwards.

I see this as the most likely scenario.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 36, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5394 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 34):
Quoting HPRamper (Reply 31):
So is Gatwick now basically a ghost town compared to what it was in years past? The only stories I ever read on here about LGW involve airlines leaving the airport.

Completely disagree. All airports have a few airlines leaving, even LHR.

LGW has done extremely well this year securing flights to Vietnam and China.

EK still has 3 daily LGW-DXB in addition to their 5 daily LHR-DXB. Not certain but I believe EK may be the only non-UK longhaul carrier (other than US currently) still serving both LHR and LGW.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3229 posts, RR: 1
Reply 37, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5364 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 36):
Not certain but I believe EK may be the only non-UK longhaul carrier (other than US currently) still serving both LHR and LGW.

Air China and Korean Air are both thrice weekly while they wait for a suitable LHR slot to open up. Vietnam Airlines is also four weekly.


User currently onlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8086 posts, RR: 54
Reply 38, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4916 times:

I don't understand how LGW doesn't have a tonne of US routes, including by US carriers. The airport serves a massive catchment area of millions, in some of the UK's wealthiest villages and towns. Brighton and the south coast alone! The success of Emirates, with three flights a day to DXB, mostly (all?) op by 777-300ER shows that the demand and yield is there. But the good people of Sussex are going west as well as east, surely. Yet there is no appetite from any airlines to fly from Sussex to North America, except for Caribbean resorts, charters to Canada and Vegas. Weird!

Quoting AussieItaliano (Reply 22):
only British carriers will be flying from LGW to the US

Very sad - and BA's network to the US is almost non-existent - Las Vegas, Tampa and Orlando. Wow.

PS I really hope US keep the CLT route at LGW as well as LHR. Time will tell.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 39, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4855 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 38):
But the good people of Sussex are going west as well as east, surely. Yet there is no appetite from any airlines to fly from Sussex to North America, except for Caribbean resorts, charters to Canada and Vegas. Weird!

Regardless of the potential market, it's been proven over many years that yields are significantly higher at LHR. Serving two airports also increases costs. If U.S. carriers had the same cost structure as EK, they might have a different position on serving both airports.


User currently offlinemiaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 578 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4773 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 10):

Yes. The terms of the oneworld ATI were that they had to divest 4 slot pairs: 2 to BOS, 1 to DFW and MIA. If the DFW/MIA pairs were not used by 2013, they could be used for direct flights as we're seeing with US/DL.

Do the terms dictate that the same aircraft type be used? If they keep the same flight number MIA-CLT-LHR, could US fly a 320 or 737 from MIA-CLT and then a widebody from CLT to LHR?


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3229 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4721 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 38):
I don't understand how LGW doesn't have a tonne of US routes, including by US carriers. The airport serves a massive catchment area of millions, in some of the UK's wealthiest villages and towns. Brighton and the south coast alone! The success of Emirates, with three flights a day to DXB, mostly (all?) op by 777-300ER shows that the demand and yield is there. But the good people of Sussex are going west as well as east, surely. Yet there is no appetite from any airlines to fly from Sussex to North America, except for Caribbean resorts, charters to Canada and Vegas. Weird!

It's not complex and it has been covered off numerous times. To serve LGW long haul one ideally needs to duplicate a LHR service, as to not serve LHR is to miss the higher yielding and connecting traffic. This is a commonly understood market behaviour. There are numerous examples of which we have discussed on these very boards.

CO moving to LHR and pulling all LGW after having said they would serve both.
NW doing the same, DL finally pulling out and now US.

How does the success of Emirates show yield is there for long haul US traffic when BA's worst yielding service to JFK was the recently re-re-introduced then axed LGW-JFK? LGW has point to point well coevered but has never been a hub in the way LHR is. Hence serving LHR one gets both point to point and connectivity whereas serving LGW gets point to point with lower yield and much loess connectivity. The bottom line is profit and that is a LGW v LHR battle which explains why no US carrier remains at LGW.
The remaining long haul fleets are very strong on point to point going West. Emirates have a niche ALL of their own. Remember in recent years both QR and EY gave up at LGW and moved everything to LHR. EK are quite the exception to the rules.


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 42, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4517 times:

Quoting miaami (Reply 40):
could US fly a 320 or 737 from MIA-CLT and then a widebody from CLT to LHR?

That would be my guess.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5592 posts, RR: 6
Reply 43, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

Quoting miaami (Reply 40):
If they keep the same flight number MIA-CLT-LHR, could US fly a 320 or 737 from MIA-CLT and then a widebody from CLT to LHR?

Yes. This is the standard for all TATL routes that US flies where the flight number doesn't originate in PHL or CLT. For example, US700 currently serves LAX-PHL-FRA. The LAX-PHL segment is on an A321, while the PHL-FRA is on an A333.

The technical term is "change-of-gauge".... another term (and practice) from the railroads.



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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 44, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3982 times:

I mean it not complicated

LAX-CLT 704 A321 then it turns into CLT-FRA 704 on a A333 I took this flight in the summer it probably because they have a lot of passengers connecting to go FRA


User currently offlineplanesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3918 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 38):
I don't understand how LGW doesn't have a tonne of US routes, including by US carriers. The airport serves a massive catchment area of millions, in some of the UK's wealthiest villages and towns. Brighton and the south coast alone! The success of Emirates, with three flights a day to DXB, mostly (all?) op by 777-300ER shows that the demand and yield is there. But the good people of Sussex are going west as well as east, surely. Yet there is no appetite from any airlines to fly from Sussex to North America, except for Caribbean resorts, charters to Canada and Vegas. Weird!

It is a phenomenon of human psychology why the money prefers to fly from LHR over LGW.

I worked for DL before they pulled the 9 from LGW. Whilst loads would have appeared reasonable over the time I was there, it was dominated by strong loads in Y and weak loads in J. Most of the time we were upgrading FQTV's and SFE Y passengers into the J seats as class wise we were oversold, but cross ship had space available. Obviously for the bottom line, it isn't good to have a £400 Y passenger sitting in a £3000 J seat. Furthermore, there is little incentive for the FQTV's to be purchasing J class seats if they know the worst they are going to get for their money is a Y+ seat and the best, a J seat, all for a Y fare.

LGW has made a rod for it's own back now allowing U2 to expand to the level it has now become, there is little to no chance of a carrier making long haul ops from the airport work without connections. The only connections I ever had whilst with DL was EK passengers going to PTY.


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