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Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO  
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19220 posts, RR: 52
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5216 times:

Manx2 will receive a new name and brand following its management buyout that changes its ownership. Noel Hayes, Manx2's chairman, will remain such, likewise schedules and routes. Manx2 is set to disappear on the 1st January.

Interesting development!

Sources:

http://www.manx2blog.com/2012/11/management-buy-out-at-manx2-com/

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...ut-at-manx2-to-rebrand-as-citywing

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-20433164

[Edited 2012-11-22 08:31:14]


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11649 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5215 times:

Interesting news, I wonder if this new non geographical name is a precursor to expansion beyond the Manx market.


Dan  



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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3821 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

I always thought the name Manx2 was kind of odd, it sounds like when I create a new file or folder on the computer but it's already taken so a 2 is added.

Soren   



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19220 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5166 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 2):
always thought the name Manx2 was kind of odd,

Among other things, Manx is another name for (or means) the IOM. And the 2 presumably referred to transport, i.e. travelling from the IOM to... hence Manx2. Who knows? Perhaps it also meant 'I'm travelling to the IOM too'.  Silly

[Edited 2012-11-22 08:30:38]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11649 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5147 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):
Among other things, Manx is another name for (or means) the IOM. And the 2 presumably referred to transport, i.e. travelling from the IOM to... hence Manx2. Otherwise it might be a bit odd.

I have to wonder if they copied Jet2, or if it was just a coincidence. It doesn't work the same way mind, as Jet2 uses the Jet as an adjective... unless I'm missing something about Manx!


Dan  



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19220 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5126 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 4):
I have to wonder if they copied Jet2, or if it was just a coincidence. It doesn't work the same way mind, as Jet2 uses the Jet as an adjective... unless I'm missing something about Manx!

I was going to edit my last post to mention Jet2, then I saw your reply. Darn you, Mr Compost Heap.  

Manx2 is obviously less clear than Jet2, unless everyone everyone knows Manx and IOM basically mean the same. Still, no doubt their likely customers knew.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11649 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5109 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 5):
Darn you, Mr Compost Heap.

Fool  



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User currently offlineLofty From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5099 times:

I thought it was beacuse it was the 2nd airline to be called Manx

User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5065 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 2):
I always thought the name Manx2 was kind of odd, it sounds like when I create a new file or folder on the computer but it's already taken so a 2 is added.

The name was maybe chosen to distinguish themselves from the former carriers Manx Airlines and EuroManx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manx_Airlines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroManx


User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4924 times:

What are the chances of them actually getting an AOC this time and being a real airline rather than just a website?

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19220 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4873 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 9):
What are the chances of them actually getting an AOC this time and being a real airline rather than just a website?

Who cares? Nothing illegal. If it deems that the best - and it presumably must given that is what it does - what's the issue?



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineRedSnapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2012, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4554 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 9):
Quoting clydenairways (Reply 9):
What are the chances of them actually getting an AOC this time and being a real airline rather than just a website?

Didn't easyJet operate this business model on satrt-up for a while, using Air Foyle's AOC............what's the issue?


User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7575 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4407 times:

Pe@rson

Problem was that folk thought that they were flying with Manx2, (the clear impression at Gloucester Airport) but when they lost a plane at Cork some time ago, it was suddenly a case of "sloping shoulders".


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19220 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3692 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 12):

Problem was that folk thought that they were flying with Manx2, (the clear impression at Gloucester Airport) but when they lost a plane at Cork some time ago, it was suddenly a case of "sloping shoulders".

I see what you're saying but that doesn't mean they should not continue with utilising other carriers' AOCs.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineasuflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

Surprised that their new proposed logo is an near copy of the Tame Ecuador logo.




User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3284 times:
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Quoting asuflyer (Reply 14):
Surprised that their new proposed logo is an near copy of the Tame Ecuador logo.

That seems to be very close. Shape, placement and colour graduation are to similar. But the big problem is it's the same industry. Speaking from experience they may well be forced to change that.

A similar issue with JAL was talked about at Czech Trucking Company Using Japan Airlines Logo? (by Birdwatching Nov 21 2012 in Civil Aviation) recently but the 'copy logo' was on a Czech trucking company, which creates some margin as it's not an airline, albeit still transport.

Think Manx2 needs to go back to their designers and not use ⌘C, ⌘V  .

Sandyb123

[Edited 2012-11-23 04:58:50]


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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

Quoting RedSnapper (Reply 11):

Didn't easyJet operate this business model on satrt-up for a while, using Air Foyle's AOC............what's the issue?

That was just a temporary arrangement.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 13):

I see what you're saying but that doesn't mean they should not continue with utilising other carriers' AOCs.

When an airline leases in another carrier, under regulations they have an obligation to maintain a level of safety oversight over the leased in operation.
If you don't have an AOC you are not really an Airline so you don't have any regulatory obligations to meet.

When Virgin Atlantic leases in this Latvian Operator to operate the A320's for them, they will be required under the terms of Virgins own AOC to have a level of oversight over the Latvian Operator operating their routes.

There is a loophole here and my own opinion is that no Airline should be able to operate without an AOC on a permanent basis.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19220 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 16):
When an airline leases in another carrier, under regulations they have an obligation to maintain a level of safety oversight over the leased in operation.

And you know Manx2 hasn't this based upon what? I am not disagreeing or agreeing. I would just like to read your source.



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User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

If they want a sweet money making route with their size of aircraft they should hop on the Waterford-Luton route and show Arann what they messed up by dilluting it with Southend.

User currently offlineviscount630 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3000 times:
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Quoting Lofty (Reply 7):
I thought it was beacuse it was the 2nd airline to be called Manx

It's actually about the 3rd or 4th, going way back to pre-war years.  



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2992 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 17):
And you know Manx2 hasn't this based upon what? I am not disagreeing or agreeing. I would just like to read your source.

Because they dont need the org structure that an Airline would have with Chief Pilot, Training and Maintainence Postholders with the necessary qualifications to perform such oversight.

Anyway just to clarify, i'm not saying they are doing anything illegal. My opinion would be that the CAA should make them get their own AOC .


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19220 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2947 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 20):
Because they dont need the org structure that an Airline would have with Chief Pilot, Training and Maintainence Postholders with the necessary qualifications to perform such oversight.

Anyway just to clarify, i'm not saying they are doing anything illegal. My opinion would be that the CAA should make them get their own AOC .

I don't seek to be argumentative, but if it was an issue surely the CAA would be onto it?



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User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2881 times:
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Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 13):
I see what you're saying but that doesn't mean they should not continue with utilising other carriers' AOCs.

The CAA take a very dim view of this these days.

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 16):
There is a loophole here and my own opinion is that no Airline should be able to operate without an AOC on a permanent basis.

This issue here is that it's the AOC holder that carries the burden. If you allow someone else to fly on your AOC then anything they do on your 'ticket' is your liability. But it's the AOC holder that is in court when things go wrong.

The CAA take a very dim view of this. Particularly for small charter ops.

Sandyb123



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User currently offlineRubberJungle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Citywing appears to have backtracked after being informed of the logo similarity:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-logo-after-tame-objection-379548/


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