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US Airways East/west Based A321s Differences  
User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8337 times:

Hello all,

I recently flew on n510uw from JFK-CLT (the flight, though, continued to PHX). Sometimes track the registrations of planes I have been on in my down time and I noticed that this aircraft does mostly JFK-PHX, PHX-SAN/LAX, PHX-CLT, and CLT-DEN routes.

Over the summer I also flew on N540UW from CLT-LGA and I have noticed that this plane does mainly east coast routes.cBased on the engines both aircraft have, as well as the registration numbers, that these were both East-based aircraft.

So my questions are:

1. Are both aircraft east-based?

2. Are there certain routes that certain aircraft fly a lot or is it just a coincidence? (For instance, N510UW does visit JFK a fair amount (mostly from PHX), and it visits SAN a decent amount (from PHX, PHL, and CLT))

3. I know this has been asked here before, but which engines do the west-based a321s have and what registration number series are they?

Thanks for any info!!!

Happy thanksgiving!  

[Edited 2012-11-22 12:08:54 by Luxair747SP]

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User currently offlineboberito6589 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 356 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7640 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Thread starter):
1. Are both aircraft east-based?

Nope, 510 is West and 540 is East

Quoting spiritair97 (Thread starter):
3. I know this has been asked here before, but which engines do the west-based a321s have and what registration number series are they?

East has: 161, 162, 163, 165, 167, 169, 170-174, 176-198, 536-540, 543, 554-566
West has: 507-510, 519-521, 523, 524, 534, 535, 541, 542, 544-553


User currently onlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1055 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7496 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Thread starter):
[3. I know this has been asked here before, but which engines do the west-based a321s have and what registration number series are they?

100 series tail numbers have CFMs and 500 series have IAEs. So all the west birds are IAE.



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7380 times:

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 1):
Quoting wn676 (Reply 2):

Thanks for the responses! It makes a lot more sense now tht 510 does so many PHX routes.

Does anybody know if JFK sees any east a321s? Every one I've ever seen here has had IAE engines and many are routed CLT-JFK-PHX or PHX-JFK-CLT if they don't go from PHX-JFK-PHX.


User currently onlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1055 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days ago) and read 5496 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 3):
Does anybody know if JFK sees any east a321s? Every one I've ever seen here has had IAE engines and many are routed CLT-JFK-PHX or PHX-JFK-CLT if they don't go from PHX-JFK-PHX.

JFK-PHX has always been on west metal, but CLT-JFK has seen east A321s (both models) periodically in the last year or two.



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3855 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 4):
JFK-PHX has always been on west metal, but CLT-JFK has seen east A321s (both models) periodically in the last year or two.

Great, thanks for the info!  


User currently offlineDeltaDC8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3756 times:

This topic answered one of my questions that they are still operating separately. One day will we ever see West ops and East ops merge into one? Also, what is keeping them from doing so now? From an operational stand point having some flights operated on East metal and some on West metal would prove costly.


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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3737 times:

Quoting DeltaDC8 (Reply 6):
This topic answered one of my questions that they are still operating separately. One day will we ever see West ops and East ops merge into one? Also, what is keeping them from doing so now? From an operational stand point having some flights operated on East metal and some on West metal would prove costly.

There are some non-west routes that occasionally see west metal. For isntance, in the last two days, N510UW (a west plane) has been routed: CLT-DEN-CLT-SFO-CLT-LAX and I believe returning to CLT, so, even though they aren't east coast routes per say, they are non-PHX routes.


User currently offlinehawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3195 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

Quoting DeltaDC8 (Reply 6):
One day will we ever see West ops and East ops merge into one? Also, what is keeping them from doing so now?

The inability of the east (US Airways) and west (America West) pilot and flight attendant unions to agree on combined contracts and seniority lists.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 7):
There are some non-west routes that occasionally see west metal.

West Airbii have flown East routes essentially nonstop since the merger. Before East moved over to SHARES, they converted several gates on the west side of Concourse C at CLT to SHARES to handle West Airbus flights (they also converted ~5 gates on the east side of C to SHARES to handle the YV CR9s). In the early days of the merger, CLT-FLL/DCA were common West routes.



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
West Airbii have flown East routes essentially nonstop since the merger. Before East moved over to SHARES, they converted several gates on the west side of Concourse C at CLT to SHARES to handle West Airbus flights (they also converted ~5 gates on the east side of C to SHARES to handle the YV CR9s). In the early days of the merger, CLT-FLL/DCA were common West routes.

Thanks for the info! Do they ever actually send any CR9s to the C Concourse? I travel through CLT every often (at least 1-2x a month) and have never seen them anywhere but the E concourse.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5671 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3000 times:

Quoting DeltaDC8 (Reply 6):
From an operational stand point having some flights operated on East metal and some on West metal would prove costly.

It's actually cheaper that way due to the cost structures involved. The only time it causes an issue is when an East flight has issues in PHX or a West flight has issues in CLT, PHL, or DCA.



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 10):
Do they ever actually send any CR9s to the C Concourse?

Not anymore. When the E-Jets first started coming to CLT in signficant numbers, which was when RW came in to the US "family," they used E. In mid-2008 or so, they switched the CR9s and the E75s. In the Midatlantic days, there was often a single E70 flight, especially on Saturdays, and I cannot recall whether that was handled at B/C or E, but I expect B/C because it was technically a mainline flight.

I think CLT is the only airport where the E-Jets have used Express gates in significant numbers. When Midatlantic started, they tended to park the E70s on the end of B at PIT, and IIRC E-Jets have always used mainline gates at PHL (B and C) and DCA (everything but 35A).



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):
Not anymore. When the E-Jets first started coming to CLT in signficant numbers, which was when RW came in to the US "family," they used E. In mid-2008 or so, they switched the CR9s and the E75s. In the Midatlantic days, there was often a single E70 flight, especially on Saturdays, and I cannot recall whether that was handled at B/C or E, but I expect B/C because it was technically a mainline flight.

I think CLT is the only airport where the E-Jets have used Express gates in significant numbers. When Midatlantic started, they tended to park the E70s on the end of B at PIT, and IIRC E-Jets have always used mainline gates at PHL (B and C) and DCA (everything but 35A).

Great, thanks! I also didn't know that the MidAtlantic flights were technicall mainline.

I also pity the people who had to walk up the 1st-level jetways at E to the E-Jets! Must've been quite an incline!


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2584 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
West Airbii have flown East routes essentially nonstop since the merger. Before East moved over to SHARES, they converted several gates on the west side of Concourse C at CLT to SHARES to handle West Airbus flights (they also converted ~5 gates on the east side of C to SHARES to handle the YV CR9s). In the early days of the merger, CLT-FLL/DCA were common West routes.

Based on Monday's schedule, here are some west routes out of CLT:

CLTORD
CLTDFW
CLTATL
CLTJFK
CLTEWR
CLTBOS
CLTPHX
CLTLAX
CLTSAN
CLTSFO
CLTDEN
CLTSLC



E135/E140/E145/E70/E75/E90/CR2/CR7/CR9/717/732/733/734/735/73G/738/739/752/753/762/772/319/320/321/333
User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2495 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 14):

Thank you for that list! It is interesting to me that they actually have the east/west based aircraft. It seems like it would complicate things a bit but I guess not.


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