migair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1279 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12407 times:
Actually i was expecting a new frequency to HKG maybe 3 times a week but they are just adding seat sending the B744 replacing the B773ER.
B77W has 14/56/44/186 seats for a total of 300 pax.
B744 has 2 config but if they are adding seat that means that they will send the ones with 52 business seats only that version has 14/52/36/227, for a total of 329, so overall they will have more seat but few less premium in club world and world traveller.
LAX will enjoy 609 seats more a week and HKG will have 406 seats.
When are the first BA380´s due for delivery?? i was expecting to see one of the flights to HKG with A380 for the summer season.
Anyway, now the question is where are they going to send this B77W and where are this B744 coming from.
British Airways in Summer 2013, effective 31MAR13, plans to increase capacity on London Heathrow – Hong Kong and London Heathrow – Los Angeles service.
London Heathrow – Hong Kong BA027/028 operates with 747-400, replacing 777-300ER
BA025 LHR1830 – 1300+1HKG 744 D
BA027 LHR2200 – 1650+1HKG 744 D
BA026 HKG2315 – 0450+1LHR 744 D
BA028 HKG2345 – 0540+1LHR 744 D
London Heathrow – Los Angeles BA278/279 operates with 747-400, replacing 777-300ER
BA279 LHR0940 – 1300LAX 744 D
BA283 LHR1200 – 1505LAX 744 D
BA269 LHR1605 – 1905LAX 744 D
BA278 LAX1540 – 1000+1LHR 744 D
BA282 LAX1755 – 1200+1LHR 744 D
BA268 LAX2120 – 1525+1LHR 744 D
slinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12323 times:
I'm surprised that BA is running fewer premium seats but only it knows its yields on the route and how to utilize its fleet most effectively. Don't forget they have a OW partner in CX who recently upped their capacity with a fourth daily flight. With NZ pulling out of HKG-LHR in the New Year it would seem there is opportunity for others, if VS had the slots I wouldn't be surprised to see the reinstatement of the second daily VS flight - HKG is always very busy for VS and it could link up with VA and NZ there too.
qf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2557 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12044 times:
Quoting migair54 (Thread starter): Actually i was expecting a new frequency to HKG maybe 3 times a week but they are just adding seat sending the B744 replacing the B773ER.
They've only recently cut their extra 3 weekly flight, so I would have been surprised to see it back so quickly.
anstar From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 4848 posts, RR: 6 Reply 6, posted (6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11826 times:
Quoting slinky09 (Reply 3): With NZ pulling out of HKG-LHR in the New Year it would seem there is opportunity for others, if VS had the slots I wouldn't be surprised to see the reinstatement of the second daily VS flight - HKG is always very busy for VS and it could link up with VA and NZ there too.
I'm surprised a better timed (than the old 2nd flight) HKG hasn't returned as well.
migair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1279 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11776 times:
Quoting qf002 (Reply 5): They've only recently cut their extra 3 weekly flight, so I would have been surprised to see it back so quickly.
Yes, but now NZ is discontinuing the route, so that was a good reason to add more flights like CX did with the forth daily.
Quoting g500 (Reply 4): Aren't these two among the top contenders to be their first A380 destination?
I´m not sure about LAX but HKG is one if not the first in the list, however after the European flights for crew training i think they will go to JFK because they can serve daily with only 1 frame, for HKG they need at least 2-3 to do the service daily and only one of the rotations not even both.
Quoting qf002 (Reply 5): This looks pretty close to a one for one swap overall.
Actually they are adding seat in economy but reducing in premium cabins, Business and economy +.
tonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1176 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7042 times:
Quoting migair54 (Reply 7): they will go to JFK because they can serve daily with only 1 frame
It has been confirmed internally that they will not servce JFK initially as NY have stated to BA under no uncertain terms that there is simply no room for the A380 with current facilities.
Rumour is afoot that an agreement is to be made with AA to move out of T7 once its lease is up and move in with AA. Watch this space.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 22060 posts, RR: 51 Reply 13, posted (6 months 2 days ago) and read 6296 times:
Quoting B747forever (Reply 10): Before BA got the 77W they did deploy 3 daily 744s to LAX. What they really do is to bring back the usual number of seats to LAX.
For years BA has been 3x daily in the summer using 744s. Not sure what the big news here is really.
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laca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3749 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5254 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 14): For years BA has been 3x daily in the summer using 744s. Not sure what the big news here is really.
Thanks for posting LAXintl. I was thinking the same thing. I believe the only "true" difference if people are going to get very technical about it is, this past year, BA downgauged 278/279 to a 77W. Otherwise the Summer schedule like you said, has always been 3X daily in the LHR-LAX market.
I was hoping we were going to see them keep the 77W on at least one flight, perhaps replace another with a 77W.
qf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2557 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4027 times:
Quoting migair54 (Reply 7): Yes, but now NZ is discontinuing the route, so that was a good reason to add more flights like CX did with the forth daily.
Capacity which BA can add with an A380 later in the year... CX doesn't have option of using larger aircraft if they want to fly their latest product to LHR.
Quoting migair54 (Reply 7): I´m not sure about LAX but HKG is one if not the first in the list, however after the European flights for crew training i think they will go to JFK because they can serve daily with only 1 frame, for HKG they need at least 2-3 to do the service daily and only one of the rotations not even both.
They will have a second frame within 2-3 months of the first. By the time they've done some publicity work and the familiarisation runs, they'll have two frames and be ready to open HKG daily (which only consumes 1.5 frames btw).
Quoting migair54 (Reply 7): Actually they are adding seat in economy but reducing in premium cabins, Business and economy +.
I'm referring to the assignment of aircraft, not the configuration...
RyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 2530 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (6 months 5 hours ago) and read 2768 times:
I hate to gloat, but I almost guessed this when they announced SYD
When someone asked where the aircraft were coming from I guessed HKG + ORD. Well, almost there!
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 8): May be its time BA make a deal with Cathay Pacific to serve its Autralian customers.
As opposed to the perfectly good agreement they already have with QF The only thing that's changed in terms of BA-QF is that they will no longer revenue share, BA will continue to codeshare on QF flights out of SIN.
Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 2): When SYD goes over to the 77W, I can't imagine BA will have many spare for additional routes.
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 18): When someone asked where the aircraft were coming from I guessed HKG
Correct, but it's only temporary until we get 'TBG and 'TBH (our next to -300ERs) towards the end of next year and then I think you'll see us back in HKG and LAX.
gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 20, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2168 times:
I've long wondered - but to be fair, LA is the major draw from Australia as a whole.
The real value of the SFO flights are United's relatively strong connecting opportunity... and I'm hoping that with 787s (possible) and A350s (for sure) we'll see more destinations in Australia.
GSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 400 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2157 times:
Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 2): When SYD goes over to the 77W, I can't imagine BA will have many spare for additional routes.
The routes below are the only routes that are currently showing as being operated by a 77W next summer.
LHR/PVG/LHR - 6 x Weekly (Flight does not operate on day 2)
LHR/NRT/LHR - Daily
LHR/SIN/SYD/SIN/LHR - Daily
Based on this info it would appear that there is 1 aircraft still not yet accounted for. BA has operated the 77W on the BA179/BA182 rotation for the last two years. However next year the rotation is showing as being operated by a 772.
Does anyone have any idea what route this aircraft is going to operate?
This winter saw BA use the 77W for the first time on the IAH and I hear that it is proving very popular with pax in all cabins. Could it be that JFK might loose there 77W to IAH next summer?
migair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1279 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1856 times:
Quoting GSTBA (Reply 22): This winter saw BA use the 77W for the first time on the IAH and I hear that it is proving very popular with pax in all cabins. Could it be that JFK might loose there 77W to IAH next summer?
Actually in another thread we were talking about United starting a 3rd IAH-LHR flight, and with the new product on board B767 so maybe BA can update a bit the market using the B77W with the new and more modern cabins to keep some of the customers in their side.
Quoting qf002 (Reply 17): I'm referring to the assignment of aircraft, not the configuration...
n471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1182 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1539 times:
Quoting gigneil (Reply 21): I've long wondered - but to be fair, LA is the major draw from Australia as a whole.
Let me assure you that San Fran is a major draw for Aussies as well----the fact of the matter is that SFO has only one flight to SYD (on a United 747) and LAX has numerous flights and many seats since the 380 is also used there......someone is missing a real opportunity----even Qantas admitted the SFO-SYD flights were profitable but went to DFW due to the American connection
slinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1483 times:
Quoting qf002 (Reply 17): They will have a second frame within 2-3 months of the first. By the time they've done some publicity work and the familiarisation runs, they'll have two frames and be ready to open HKG daily (which only consumes 1.5 frames btw).
Quoting n471wn (Reply 24): Let me assure you that San Fran is a major draw for Aussies as well----the fact of the matter is that SFO has only one flight to SYD (on a United 747) and LAX has numerous flights and many seats since the 380 is also used there......someone is missing a real opportunity----even Qantas admitted the SFO-SYD flights were profitable but went to DFW due to the American connection
Interesting, so for a SFO based carrier with connections it might also be useful for VA to fly there. But then again, VA doesn't have any LH aircraft on order does it?
n471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1182 posts, RR: 1 Reply 25, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1464 times:
Quoting slinky09 (Reply 25): Interesting, so for a SFO based carrier with connections it might also be useful for VA to fly there. But then again, VA doesn't have any LH aircraft on order does it?
Yes you are right---I see no LH on order but perhaps they could pick up some Singapore 777's being parked
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